Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Pigs are scavenger animals. They will eat anything and everything including their own feces. Therefore their meat will not be as " clean " as another kind of animal that is more " selective " with their diet. Pigs also do not chew their cud. The Jewish prohibition on pork (as well as eating only fish that has both fins and scales) is because of the " uncleanness " (old testament words). Current studies have shown that fish with both fins and scales absorbe less toxins that fish that have just one or the other (such as catfish). The Jewish prohibition on milk and meat together is so that " a kid is not boiled in his mother's milk. " hth, Ann Marie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Another thing about pork is that pigs don't sweat to release their toxins so pretty much whatever goes in, stays in. Krista Boos Creative Memories Senior Consultant 952-707-1263 babymonkeytoes@... Memory Keeping at Its Best! _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ann Marie Ashton Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Re: Pork Pigs are scavenger animals. They will eat anything and everything including their own feces. Therefore their meat will not be as " clean " as another kind of animal that is more " selective " with their diet. Pigs also do not chew their cud. The Jewish prohibition on pork (as well as eating only fish that has both fins and scales) is because of the " uncleanness " (old testament words). Current studies have shown that fish with both fins and scales absorbe less toxins that fish that have just one or the other (such as catfish). The Jewish prohibition on milk and meat together is so that " a kid is not boiled in his mother's milk. " hth, Ann Marie _____ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Hi Krista, Glad you found your way here. AM > From: Krista Boos <babymonkeytoes@...> > Reply- > Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:08:23 -0500 > > Subject: RE: Re: Pork > > Another thing about pork is that pigs don't sweat to release their toxins so > pretty much whatever goes in, stays in. > > > > Krista Boos > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Jordan S. Rubin in his book " The Maker's Diet " makes a good case for not eating pork or any other animal that is a scavenger by nature. They were intended to be the clean-up animals and eat anything. Also, pigs have a simple stomach. The things he eats goes into his flesh within four hours of digestion, hence their meat is very toxic. If you check out the book of Leviticus in the bible, chapter 11, it lists all the unclean (scavenger) animals that are not fit for human consumption. Shari Wagner Pork >I have read in numerous articles that you should not eat pork but none > of the articles have really gotten into why. I rather enjoy pork and > will buy 1/2 hog once or twice a year from an organic grass fed farm > that I also buy eggs, beef, and chicken from. > > Anyone care to comment on this? > Jeanne > Golden Valley > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Pork >I have read in numerous articles that you should not eat pork but none > of the articles have really gotten into why. I rather enjoy pork and > will buy 1/2 hog once or twice a year from an organic grass fed farm > that I also buy eggs, beef, and chicken from. > > Anyone care to comment on this? > Jeanne I love pork and think pork is a very healthy meat. Not the commercial pork raised on corn & fed antibiotics, growth hormones, etc. but a good quality natural pork. I have run into the same prejudice as you. In places where I could track it down, it comes from people with a literal belief in the " uncleanliness " of pigs from Holy Books of the Middle East (Koran, Bible). What these people seem not to realize is that in a semi-desert area, clean water is very scarce, and pigs need to wallow to live. So pigs dirty up clean drinking water. But in the rest of the world, there are plenty of wet places for pigs to wallow which do not impact the availability of drinking water. What was once a good rule for our primitive ancestors in one eco-system, is just silly when applied to another eco-system altogether. Now that pigs are raised in fenced in areas, not running wild, the taboo does not even apply to semi-arid places. Alobar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Alobar, Our drinking water supply on this planet is in crisis, and not just in the deserts. Not just even in the American Southwest, where there is a very realistic concern that they will just plain run out of water. In many parts of the world, private water companies are engineering the privatization of water, which will make it even more scarce. If you read some of Robbins' material, you will see that he shows that raising livestock consumes large amounts of water that could otherwise be going to preserve our topsoil and quench the thirst of human beings. Some say that oil and global warming and Bush's budget deficit and aggressive wars are what will put us over the brink; but many people think that it is the disappearance of the water supply that will be the precipitating crisis for large-scale death on this planet. Oil supply and global warming are also tied to animal consumption, as it takes much more technology to market livestock than it does to grow vegetables, particularly at the local level. Eating meat regularly is not just a health question, it is an environmental question as well. Somebody - was it you? - posted the other day that they couldn't afford the grass-fed cattle products, so they ate the regular ones. That's an important issue too, because when you promote grass-fed meat-eating, many - if not most - people will say the same thing, and buy mainstream commercial beef and dairy because of the cost and inconvenience of getting grass-fed animal products. As for me - not that I have a desire to eat animal products - I tried to force myself to cook some fish last weekend, but like every time I do, I gagged and threw it out before I could get it into my mouth - however, just to add that out of curiosity I checked to see if there was any kosher grass-fed beef. My best information is that there is not. What would make it kosher is a method of slaughter which is, at least in theory (!!!), painless to the animal. I would appreciate it if you would not refer to other people's religions as " silly " , or to my ancestors as " primitive " . There is more wisdom in there than you might be aware of. I actually find it quite ignorant and boorish to eat into our precious planetary resources without concern, as our current economic system does. (THIS IS A COMMENTARY ON OUR CORPORATE-RULED SYSTEM, NOT ON ANY PERSON!!!!) Thank you all, Nina Re: Pork Pork >I have read in numerous articles that you should not eat pork but none > of the articles have really gotten into why. I rather enjoy pork and > will buy 1/2 hog once or twice a year from an organic grass fed farm > that I also buy eggs, beef, and chicken from. > > Anyone care to comment on this? > Jeanne I love pork and think pork is a very healthy meat. Not the commercial pork raised on corn & fed antibiotics, growth hormones, etc. but a good quality natural pork. I have run into the same prejudice as you. In places where I could track it down, it comes from people with a literal belief in the " uncleanliness " of pigs from Holy Books of the Middle East (Koran, Bible). What these people seem not to realize is that in a semi-desert area, clean water is very scarce, and pigs need to wallow to live. So pigs dirty up clean drinking water. But in the rest of the world, there are plenty of wet places for pigs to wallow which do not impact the availability of drinking water. What was once a good rule for our primitive ancestors in one eco-system, is just silly when applied to another eco-system altogether. Now that pigs are raised in fenced in areas, not running wild, the taboo does not even apply to semi-arid places. Alobar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Thanks! Krista Boos Creative Memories Senior Consultant 952-707-1263 babymonkeytoes@... Memory Keeping at Its Best! _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ann Marie Ashton Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Re: Pork Hi Krista, Glad you found your way here. AM > From: Krista Boos <babymonkeytoes@...> > Reply- > Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:08:23 -0500 > > Subject: RE: Re: Pork > > Another thing about pork is that pigs don't sweat to release their toxins so > pretty much whatever goes in, stays in. > > > > Krista Boos > _____ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Thanks Alobar, I always appreciate your interesting information and comments Jeanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 The reason I do not eat much pork is that you cannot GET a pig to eat any grass. That is where our nutrients come from. Pigs will eat about anything else, but I would rather keep my " dead food " limited to that which may actually have some nutritional value. Grass fed beef and buffalo being the main meats that would apply to. But why does it have to taste so good? Again, everything in moderation. Still have ham and bacon, but only a few times a year. Jeanie > Thanks Alobar, I always appreciate your interesting information and comments > Jeanne > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 I wonder if people would love ham and bacon so much if it weren't so salty. Or, salty and fatty. And - can people get the fat and salt they desire, without the animal protein? I've read Bruce's book, Coconut Cures. In the back he has specific remedies for a number of different conditions. Again and again, it reads: coconut oil, grains, beans, and 6-9 servings of fresh fruits and vegetables per day. Every disease I read about has high animal consumption as its primary risk factor. Folks on this list may know that I am dealing with bone loss now, and researching it. Numerous studies show that high animal protein consumption is one of the top, if not the top, risk factors for low-trauma fracture. Vegetarians have very low fracture rates. Nina Re: Pork The reason I do not eat much pork is that you cannot GET a pig to eat any grass. That is where our nutrients come from. Pigs will eat about anything else, but I would rather keep my " dead food " limited to that which may actually have some nutritional value. Grass fed beef and buffalo being the main meats that would apply to. But why does it have to taste so good? Again, everything in moderation. Still have ham and bacon, but only a few times a year. Jeanie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 It is not true that you cannot get pigs to eat grass. We have friends that have an organic product farm. They received a grant from a Sustainable Agriculture Society/Group on a project. They cleared land (wilderness) without using any machinery. First they fenced off the area and put goats in. the goats ate all the shrubs and small trees, they also stripped bark off trees in the winter just like deer do. After 1 year of that they moved the goats on and put in pigs. The pigs ate anything the goats did not and the " rooted " around for grubs, etc. If you really want pigs to " root " up the soil you through out some grain around the " roots " . The third year they were able to just go out and pull the small trees and shrubs up. The soil had been so well tilled and the trees and shrubs had been fairly well digested that the land was not ready for tilling and planting. This way of farming is not instantaneous, like it would be using machinery, but it is a very old fashioned way that does work. In addition to the low cost and the extra income or meat you would have from this method, the entire time you have the animals on the land " clearing it for you, they are also fertilizing it. These pigs were raised on a little grain but very little (only handfuls at a time). They mostly foraged and were given some table scraps. Most of their food was grass, weeds and shrubs or trees along with grubs, insects, etc.. They did not gain weight like a standardly raised hog, but their meat was far different that a standardly raised pig, too. Much leaner. We have other friends that have an organic, raw dairy. They make truly raw cheeses from totally grass fed cows. There is lots of whey generated from their cheese making. This whey is loaded with good probiotic flora, good proteins, and lots of vitamins and minerals. So on the same pasture where they have their cows graze, they also run 5-6 hogs. On the days they do cheese making they take the whey and pour it into a trough for the pigs. These pigs, too, are totally grass fed, except for the whey, which is coming from grass fed cows. Pigs have very strong digestive enzymes. They can eat anything. Yes, if they have a choice they will choose something besides grass just as a child would choose candy rather than broccoli, but they will eat grass and you can keep them clean. If a child only has broccoli and other veggies with occasional fruit and maybe some health meats then that is what he eats or he goes hungry! And if that is all he has known all his life he doesn't know any better so it is easy to keep him happy, at least until he finds out what the others have! Annette Wilderness Family Naturals 1-800-945-3801 http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com Re: Pork The reason I do not eat much pork is that you cannot GET a pig to eat any grass. That is where our nutrients come from. Pigs will eat about anything else, but I would rather keep my " dead food " limited to that which may actually have some nutritional value. Grass fed beef and buffalo being the main meats that would apply to. But why does it have to taste so good? Again, everything in moderation. Still have ham and bacon, but only a few times a year. Jeanie > Thanks Alobar, I always appreciate your interesting information and comments > Jeanne > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Kathy said: > I don't eat ALOT of pork products, but can't imagine doing completely without them. I think it may be a cancer risk or something. I was told a pig does not have a lymphatic system, therefore all the toxins go into the muscle, and that is what we eat. I saw a demonstration where a person was draining some ugly gray slimey material from a pig's lower leg. If that goes into the meat, that was all it took to prevent me from eating pork since. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 If pork is so horrible like many say, then why would Sally encourage using lard? If the pig is so full of toxins, wouldn't they (the toxins) be concentrated in the fat? Any thoughts? Therese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Jeanne, In relation to your concern, Dr Fife's book " The healing miracle of coconut oil " indicates the following: 1) fatty acids from animal and vegetable oils are dominated by long chain saturated fatty acids as palmitic (C16) and stearic (C18), in page 35 of the book. Moreover, composition of animal-based dietary fats are: 1) chicken fat - 31% saturated (long chain), 47 % monounsaturated and 22% polyunsaturated; 2) beef fat - 52% saturated (long chain), 44% monounsaturated, 4% polyunsaturated. Generally, animal fats (including pork) are highest in saturated fat (long chain), thus not desirably healthy if taken regularly. By this time, we are now aware of the great advantage on health of short and medium chain saturated fats compared to long chain saturated fats and /or unsaturated fats. Mind you, the general understanding before the recent years was the opposite. In fact, there are still many (even doctors) who believe saturated fats is generally bad for our health because they failed to recognize that saturated fats has three types: short chain, medium chain and long chain fatty acids, and our body has different response to these fats. In most cases, it is dangerous indeed to conclude based on very limited results and facts ! Worst is when science is dropped in favor of commerce or trade, and this apparently happened in the global market of fats and oils. Furthermore, the question, who are now suffering from the human nutrition program and direction/agenda decided upon by " respectable policy/ decision makers " , executed by development agencies and countries, worldwide ? Hopes this helps. An mind-opener ! Sev Magat jeannekrieg <jeanne_simons@...> wrote: I have read in numerous articles that you should not eat pork but none of the articles have really gotten into why. I rather enjoy pork and will buy 1/2 hog once or twice a year from an organic grass fed farm that I also buy eggs, beef, and chicken from. Anyone care to comment on this? Jeanne --------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Well Alobar, you've gone and done it now, you've lit Nina's fuse but good this time. I'm with you. Nothing like a mouthful of pork, at least when that's what I want. In fact I think it's about time to light up my big ol' charcoal smoker again and slow cook some ribs. If there's one thing I get good and sick and tired of, it's vegetarians who can't keep their mouth shut and must proselytize us all to their religion, and that's what it is alright, a religion. Nina this is straight at you: You've been coming in here for a while now getting slowly more militant about your vegetarianism, and now you've really showed yourself but good by connecting meat eating to the destruction of the planet and everything else you don't like including Bush. You sound like you're beginning to foam at the mouth. You can eat anything you want to as far as I'm concerned, but when you start calling me a planet destroyer because of my diet, you have crossed the line. It never fails to amaze me that when a militant vegetarian comes into a forum like this, for a while a few meat eaters will apologize or make excuses about eating meat. The vegetarian then becomes more bold until finally they ALWAYS come out of the closet with all their rhetoric like you just did. It also is almost always true that most of the meat eaters won't say much at all about it because we tend to have an attitude of letting others do as they wish. But not vegetarians, nooooo!!!! They have to go and call all of us meat-eaters demented butchers who are destroying all that's holy! The wildest part of this is that it's always the vegetarians who spout hate and intolerance, while they accuse us meat eaters of being violent. You've shown yourself for the extremist that you are, and I suspect your influence here will wane. You are the kind of vegetarian who gives vegetarianism a bad name. Oh I'm sure you're going to have a good comeback for this, and will spew your venom all over me, just like you did to Alobar. I won't respond, because one encounter with a nut is enough. Besides, if you do, I'll know I got your goat. Pork; it's what's for dinner, right after I finish this steak. Oh and hand me one of those chicken wings. Hey is that fish over there?... Daddybob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Pork; it's what's for dinner, right after I finish this steak. Oh and hand me one of those chicken wings. Hey is that fish over there?... Fun-neeee, Daddybob! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Pork tenderloin is not so bad. The reason why pork is bad is because of its fat. But pork tenderloin is said to be better than beef in terms of fat/cholesterol. Maybe the pigs/hogs can be made to eat discarded vegetables/fruits. RE: Pork Well Alobar, you've gone and done it now, you've lit Nina's fuse but good this time. I'm with you. Nothing like a mouthful of pork, at least when that's what I want. In fact I think it's about time to light up my big ol' charcoal smoker again and slow cook some ribs. If there's one thing I get good and sick and tired of, it's vegetarians who can't keep their mouth shut and must proselytize us all to their religion, and that's what it is alright, a religion. Nina this is straight at you: You've been coming in here for a while now getting slowly more militant about your vegetarianism, and now you've really showed yourself but good by connecting meat eating to the destruction of the planet and everything else you don't like including Bush. You sound like you're beginning to foam at the mouth. You can eat anything you want to as far as I'm concerned, but when you start calling me a planet destroyer because of my diet, you have crossed the line. It never fails to amaze me that when a militant vegetarian comes into a forum like this, for a while a few meat eaters will apologize or make excuses about eating meat. The vegetarian then becomes more bold until finally they ALWAYS come out of the closet with all their rhetoric like you just did. It also is almost always true that most of the meat eaters won't say much at all about it because we tend to have an attitude of letting others do as they wish. But not vegetarians, nooooo!!!! They have to go and call all of us meat-eaters demented butchers who are destroying all that's holy! The wildest part of this is that it's always the vegetarians who spout hate and intolerance, while they accuse us meat eaters of being violent. You've shown yourself for the extremist that you are, and I suspect your influence here will wane. You are the kind of vegetarian who gives vegetarianism a bad name. Oh I'm sure you're going to have a good comeback for this, and will spew your venom all over me, just like you did to Alobar. I won't respond, because one encounter with a nut is enough. Besides, if you do, I'll know I got your goat. Pork; it's what's for dinner, right after I finish this steak. Oh and hand me one of those chicken wings. Hey is that fish over there?... Daddybob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 I do feel compelled to chime in here in defense of porkers. IQ-wise ,pigs are SMARTER than dogs! They have the potential to be wise, intelligent and loving animals. I could care less whether people eat pork or not, in fact, 99% of the pigs consumed in the US are CONFINEMENT HOGS that eat GMO GRAIN laced with ANTIBIOTICS and god knows what else. They are ALL sick and should NEVER be eaten. The life of a confienment hog is pain and misery from the minute they are born until they are killed. It's a miserable and exceptionally cruel system that should be abolished. I wish people would boycott ALL commercially-raised commodity pork! I would be elated if HORMELL and ARMOUR would go belly up! About the meat: 1) No species is more of a SCAVENGER than a chicken! If you've ever been on a farm, you know, they will eat anything and everything, including each other. Many truly " natural' farms will give them roadkill to eat as a snack. However, EVERY major religion in the world embraces eating chickens. Get over that scavenager notion. Chickens also don't chew their cud or have extra stomachs. 2) ALL mammals have LYMPHATICS. Those rumors, such as the ones cited here, have to cease. Pigs have an incredible immune system comparable to humans. 3) Pigs do have SWEAT GLANDS. Their skin is so identical to human skin that not only is it used in dermatology trials it can even be transplanted if desired. Sweat is overrated as a vehicle for excretion of toxins anyway. The stool and urine as well as the lungs are major. 4) Pigs do carry some parasites that can go to humans, TRICHINOSIS being the number one threat. As long as the pork is cooked to 150 degrees, you don't have to worry. Actually, with humanely-raised, pastured pork, parasites are vastly reduced. 5) The biggest problem with eating pork is that most of it is TOXICALLY PROCESSED! NITRITES, NITRATES, MSG, SUGARS, and on and on. It's not the pig's fault. If only we could get a good natural pork product without all the garbage. This is true of ham, bacon, sausages, bologna, hot dogs, brats, and so on. People also tend to grill pork in ways that can seriously increase carcinogens. If you want to eat pork, eat PORK CHOPS and ROASTS. Right now it's too hard to find clean, natural pork. 6) Commercial hogs are slaughtered around 6 months of age. That's why they have no flavor and need all sorts of chemicals and sauces. They are, therefore, less of an accumulator of toxins due to their young age. 7) The modern commercial hog has been bred as lean as my Whippet. They are like racing pigs as there isn't much of a market for lard. They get graded down these days. Heritage breeds are " fat as a.....hog " and have plenty of lard. CHARACTERISTICS OF DESIRABLE PORK: 1) No antibiotics, no excess vaccine or wormers 2) Free-range, pastured, no confinement 3) Farrow in their own pens, NOT farrowing crates 4) No hormones 5) No GMO grains 6) In an organic system with cattle, chickens and others 7) Not garbage-fed 8) Organic protocol, or Beyond Organic, which is even better 9) Enriched living environment 10) Heritage breeds 11) Humane shipping and slaughter 12) Processed without nitrites, preservatives, MSG, chemicals Will, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Annette, Hey good for your friends!! I guess I have to amend to say, " most pigs are not forced to eat grass. " Anyway, with factory farming all around I really applaud your friends efforts. Jeanie > > Thanks Alobar, I always appreciate your interesting information and > comments > > Jeanne > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 IF chickens are fed right they won't eat anything. They don't eat bad things on our farm. Chickens are considered a " clean " bird because they have a gizzard....their way of chewing the cud. Shari Re: Pork > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2005 Therese Laurdan said: > If pork is so horrible like many say, then why would Sally encourage using > lard? If the pig is so full of toxins, wouldn't they (the toxins) be > concentrated in the fat? > Any thoughts? > Therese I have often wondered the same thing and have avoided lard for as long as pork. I believe that a toxin is toxic and to be avoided whenever it is known. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2005 I used to be semi-vegetarian for several years for health and spiritual reasons. but I also have kidney failure and undergo dialysis twice a week. But after all the confusion and raging debate between choosing between being a vegetarian or meat eater. i decided to be an anytarian. although, i eat less meat nowadays coz it seems to raise my alkalin phos. but it doesn't mean that i will condemn those who are meat eaters and praise those who are vegetarians. i think that we should be given the choice on the kind of food choice that we want to make. It will be a never ending debate anyway, so why just agree to disagree and let each other be. So I am friends with both meat eaters and vegetarians. anyway, i can always adjust to whoever I am with. its hard to be to much of a fanatic at times. gentle persuasion and living by example without judgement and condemnation of choices that are made should be the norm. long live all of those who choose to eat meat and vegetables. selina www.coconaturelle.com --- ransley <ransley@...> wrote: > Well Alobar, you've gone and done it now, you've lit > Nina's fuse but good > this time. > > I'm with you. Nothing like a mouthful of pork, at > least when that's what I > want. In fact I think it's about time to light up my > big ol' charcoal smoker > again and slow cook some ribs. > > If there's one thing I get good and sick and tired > of, it's vegetarians who > can't keep their mouth shut and must proselytize us > all to their religion, > and that's what it is alright, a religion. > > Nina this is straight at you: You've been coming in > here for a while now > getting slowly more militant about your > vegetarianism, and now you've really > showed yourself but good by connecting meat eating > to the destruction of the > planet and everything else you don't like including > Bush. You sound > like you're beginning to foam at the mouth. > > You can eat anything you want to as far as I'm > concerned, but when you start > calling me a planet destroyer because of my diet, > you have crossed the line. > It never fails to amaze me that when a militant > vegetarian comes into a > forum like this, for a while a few meat eaters will > apologize or make > excuses about eating meat. The vegetarian then > becomes more bold until > finally they ALWAYS come out of the closet with all > their rhetoric like you > just did. It also is almost always true that most of > the meat eaters won't > say much at all about it because we tend to have an > attitude of letting > others do as they wish. But not vegetarians, > nooooo!!!! They have to go and > call all of us meat-eaters demented butchers who are > destroying all that's > holy! > > The wildest part of this is that it's always the > vegetarians who spout hate > and intolerance, while they accuse us meat eaters of > being violent. > > You've shown yourself for the extremist that you > are, and I suspect your > influence here will wane. You are the kind of > vegetarian who gives > vegetarianism a bad name. > > Oh I'm sure you're going to have a good comeback for > this, and will spew > your venom all over me, just like you did to Alobar. > I won't respond, > because one encounter with a nut is enough. Besides, > if you do, I'll know I > got your goat. > > Pork; it's what's for dinner, right after I finish > this steak. Oh and hand > me one of those chicken wings. Hey is that fish over > there?... > > Daddybob > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2005 I honor everybody's food choices and everybody's right to make them. I apologize for having offended anybody. Nina RE: Pork Well Alobar, you've gone and done it now, you've lit Nina's fuse but good this time. I'm with you. Nothing like a mouthful of pork, at least when that's what I want. In fact I think it's about time to light up my big ol' charcoal smoker again and slow cook some ribs. If there's one thing I get good and sick and tired of, it's vegetarians who can't keep their mouth shut and must proselytize us all to their religion, and that's what it is alright, a religion. Nina this is straight at you: You've been coming in here for a while now getting slowly more militant about your vegetarianism, and now you've really showed yourself but good by connecting meat eating to the destruction of the planet and everything else you don't like including Bush. You sound like you're beginning to foam at the mouth. You can eat anything you want to as far as I'm concerned, but when you start calling me a planet destroyer because of my diet, you have crossed the line. It never fails to amaze me that when a militant vegetarian comes into a forum like this, for a while a few meat eaters will apologize or make excuses about eating meat. The vegetarian then becomes more bold until finally they ALWAYS come out of the closet with all their rhetoric like you just did. It also is almost always true that most of the meat eaters won't say much at all about it because we tend to have an attitude of letting others do as they wish. But not vegetarians, nooooo!!!! They have to go and call all of us meat-eaters demented butchers who are destroying all that's holy! The wildest part of this is that it's always the vegetarians who spout hate and intolerance, while they accuse us meat eaters of being violent. You've shown yourself for the extremist that you are, and I suspect your influence here will wane. You are the kind of vegetarian who gives vegetarianism a bad name. Oh I'm sure you're going to have a good comeback for this, and will spew your venom all over me, just like you did to Alobar. I won't respond, because one encounter with a nut is enough. Besides, if you do, I'll know I got your goat. Pork; it's what's for dinner, right after I finish this steak. Oh and hand me one of those chicken wings. Hey is that fish over there?... Daddybob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2005 On Thursday 26 May 2005 03:25 am, wrote: > I have read in numerous articles that you should not eat pork but none > of the articles have really gotten into why. We also don't eat pork. Actually, I will not buy it, but if it's served to me I will eat it. Like last Christmas, at my cousin's house, she served ham. I ate it, and enjoyed it, but I will not buy it. Part of why I won't buy it, is b/c of how most of it is raised and processed. It's also b/c I believe that God gave the Israelites those laws for a reason (one of them being trichinosis); just b/c I don't understand the reasons for a law, doesn't mean I can ignore it. However the " Jewish prohibition on milk and meat together " is thought, by some scholars, to be an exaggeration of His original command by some Jewish rabbis 'way back when'. (We don't do this, btw. I LOVE cheese on my hamburgers!) -- Oster, MN Isaiah 26:3 " I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. " --C. S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 26, 2005 In certain parts of the U.S. feral (wild) hogs are a problem because they can be very destructive in their search for food. Mostly they tear up farmland and fields rooting for grubs and stuff. There is open season in Texas on these wild hogs, meaning that you can hunt and harvest them year-round. The meat is very dark red, not the pale pork color you see in grocery store purchased meat, darker than beef, close to the color of venison. This is because these wild hogs eat acorns and roots, and probably anything they can find as they are omnivores. I believe the meat to be much healthier from these hogs as they are truly free-range. If you have access to this meat, either on your own or through friends who hunt, you might consider trying it. It is good, free meat and helps to control the overpopulation of these feral hogs. -Patty > > Pork > > > >I have read in numerous articles that you should not eat pork but none > > of the articles have really gotten into why. I rather enjoy pork and > > will buy 1/2 hog once or twice a year from an organic grass fed farm > > that I also buy eggs, beef, and chicken from. > > > > Anyone care to comment on this? > > Jeanne > > I love pork and think pork is a very healthy meat. Not the > commercial pork raised on corn & fed antibiotics, growth hormones, etc. but > a good quality natural pork. > > I have run into the same prejudice as you. In places where I could > track it down, it comes from people with a literal belief in the > " uncleanliness " of pigs from Holy Books of the Middle East (Koran, Bible). > > What these people seem not to realize is that in a semi- desert area, > clean water is very scarce, and pigs need to wallow to live. So pigs dirty > up clean drinking water. But in the rest of the world, there are plenty of > wet places for pigs to wallow which do not impact the availability of > drinking water. What was once a good rule for our primitive ancestors in > one eco-system, is just silly when applied to another eco-system altogether. > Now that pigs are raised in fenced in areas, not running wild, the taboo > does not even apply to semi-arid places. > > Alobar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
