Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2000 Re: PORK > However, I believe the " antibody " issue has to do with something > inherent in even fresh, lean pork. Just like how Type B's don't do > well with chicken. Forgive this question but is this " antibody " ingested or does it occur naturally in pork. I love pork and have not been eating it since following the " o " plan. It is marketed here in Canada as the other white meat. I know it is much leaner than it used to be. Also pigs have a very bad reputation for being, well, pigs, but the farmers here have put out advertisements that it is now no worse than chicken and definitely leaner than beef. Would there be different growing standards depending what Country one is in? Not to belabor this topic but just curious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2000 Interesting article. Makes you want to make sure that you buy organic pork. >From: Tammrae <tammrae@...> >Reply-egroups >egroups >Subject: RE: Pork >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:16:36 -0700 > >I'm a B lurker on this list, married to an O. Regarding pork, not only >is it an omnivorous animal and therefore loaded with toxins (you get >more and more of them the further up the food chain you go...whatever >they eat gets into their flesh within about 4 hours of consumption, >whereas cattle and other herbivores take about 24 hours due to much >longer digestion and removal of toxic wastes in the several stomachs) >but many if not most U.S. farmers are now feeding weanling pigs the >blood of their own kind (called Spray Dried Plasma Protein). This kind >of thing got the English in trouble with Mad Cow disease, and the scary >thing is that some U.S. ranchers are now feeding calves SDPP because it >uses a waste byproduct to put quick flesh on weaned calves...can you say >profit? No wonder Europe won't accept U.S. export meat. New Zealand does >not permit SDPP to be fed to cattle, so my husband and I are trying to >find a source of trustworthy beef from New Zealand. Personally, the >thought of consuming the flesh of an animal that is being fed swine or >bovine blood (the medium of disease) really horrifies me, especially >swine, which are very close genetically to humans. There should be more >controls on this experimentation, since we appear to be the guinea pigs. > >Tammrae > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2000 Sure thing...for information on Spray Dried Plasma Protein, visit http://www.americanprotein.com/discoveries/summer98/plasma.html http://www.asas.uiuc.edu/midwestern/press/mofish.html http://www.soymeal.org/worldlitarticles/veumtlandcoworkers1996.html http://www.porkmag.com/nutr08.htm http://www.ducoa.com/animalplasma.html And here is what New Zealand (a country noted for higher and stricter standards in agriculture than the U.S. displays) has to say about the standards for importation of plasma feed products: http://www.maf.govt.nz/AnimalIHS/ihs/fodplaic.usa.htm We have friends there that raise cattle so I have asked them questions as well...they tell us that while it is legal under strict rules to import SDPP into New Zealand, it is illegal to sell an animal that has eaten it. SDPP can only be fed to animals that are consumed by the people who raise them (called " homekill " ). For information on how omnivorous swine process flesh compared with herbivores, I recommend the book GOD'S KEY TO HEALTH AND HAPPINESS by Elmer A. phson (a book that demonstrates why the biblical laws regarding food were healthy ones then and now). Hope that helps! Tammrae Message: 11 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:56:08 -0400 From: " r " <sparrow@...> Subject: Re: RE: Pork T, you might want to post a source for your info. as someone might jump down your throat. ;.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 31, 2000 thanks, your answer finally makes some sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 31, 2000 Jeez, guys, I am so sorry I asked the question about pork, it seems to have caused alot of problems! Next time, I'll just figure it out for myself. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 31, 2000 Thanks, I feel much better, and not quite so guilty. I still have not started eating pork again. too far to the store that has the right kind!! :-) Char Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 31, 2000 chi33663@... wrote: > Jeez, guys, I am so sorry I asked the question about pork, it seems to have > caused alot of problems! Next time, I'll just figure it out for myself. > Thanks. > The problem wasn't your question :-) And if you go figure it out for yourself we'll get bored with nothing to talk about :-) -- Steve - Cheltenham, UK --------- In love and light we are In darkness we are no less Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 1, 2000 Don't be sorry you asked a question. Sometimes it generates lively discussion and most of the time it's handled politely. Don't let the actions and opinions of one person (who has now been banned from the list) influence your asking. It was obvious, at least to me, that EVERYTHING was something to find fault with as far as this person was concerned. So keep asking, it's how we all learn. And I think you'll find that most of us are very polite people. Tabitha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 15, 2003 I make pork tenderloin roasts all the time. Yumm! Becky > I noticed pork was on the authorized food list, with the exception of > lean ham. I looked up the nutritional stats, and it looks like lean > pork, like tenderloin would be ok. Not too high in calories or fat > and has like 29 grams of protein per serving. What do you all think? > > Jill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 There is a pointed lack of pork in NT. I've heard that this was in deference to Enig who does not eat pork. I've also heard that is not true. At any rate, I find it amusing that virtually the most widespread traditional meat was, on the basis of either politics or culture, left out of a book that eschews diet dictocracy and PC nutrition. There is clearly not a consistent bias against pork in NT however, because lard is made from pork by definition...and lard is practically sacred in NT. --- Therese <rkissel@...> wrote: > Since adding more meat to our diet, I am trying to also get a variety > of meats. I bought some pork loins the other day at the Wedge and > thought I'd see if there was a recipe in NT. > I had never noticed before, but there is NO section on pork! Is there > a reason for this? Does NT consider pork bad or something? Am I > missing something? > > Therese > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 Lard may be sacred in NT, but I had to search the WAP website to find a recipe for lard pie crust! Mother came through. Kathy > > Since adding more meat to our diet, I am trying to also get a variety > > of meats. I bought some pork loins the other day at the Wedge and > > thought I'd see if there was a recipe in NT. > > I had never noticed before, but there is NO section on pork! Is there > > a reason for this? Does NT consider pork bad or something? Am I > > missing something? > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 In regard to pork, in NT, Sally talks about pork and the old testament laws about it. She says some believe pork causes cancer and some believe that only the meat causes cancer and not the lard. She, however, says that many traditional societies used pork and were healthy. I know she herself eats bacon, because when asked what she eats for breakfast when she goes out to eat, she includes bacon with her eggs. Dr. Jordan Rubin wrote the book " Patient Heal Thyself " . He writes about pork and other scavengers such as shellfish. He says shellfish help purify the environment but they themselves accumulate pathogens and other contaminants. Many caretakers of ponds and other bodies of water know the best way to purify a freshwater pond or lake is to throw loads of scallops in and wait a few days. The lake will be purified and the scallops will float to the top. He says the same is true of other scavengers. A study at Hopkins University was conducted where they compared all the clean and unclean foods from the old testament by making a culture and adding the meat of the food being tested. Below 75% was considered toxic and above 75% was considered nontoxic. According to this study, all the unclean foods from the old testament tested toxic and all the clean foods tested nontoxic. This had me going for a while and I wondered what to do about it. I then read Matt. 15:10-20. I am a Christian so this seemed to be the answer for me. I believe Dr. Rubin is Jewish. In Matt. Jesus says " It is not what goes into a person's mouth that makes him RITUALLY unclean; rather what comes out of it makes him unclean " I guess everybody has to make their own decisions on this matter. Maybe that's why Sally did not write more about it. pork > Since adding more meat to our diet, I am trying to also get a variety > of meats. I bought some pork loins the other day at the Wedge and > thought I'd see if there was a recipe in NT. > I had never noticed before, but there is NO section on pork! Is there > a reason for this? Does NT consider pork bad or something? Am I > missing something? > > Therese > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 30, 2004 I am a christian, But I believe the old testament laws for clean and unclean animals still stand and will not knowingly eat them. I don't think everyone here wants to get into a theological argument so I will let it stand at that. Dr. Mercola has touted a new book called The Maker's Diet coming out soon that shows scientifically why the Bible makes perfect sense for health. I ordered it and look forward to reading it. Shari pork > > > > Since adding more meat to our diet, I am trying to also get a variety > > of meats. I bought some pork loins the other day at the Wedge and > > thought I'd see if there was a recipe in NT. > > I had never noticed before, but there is NO section on pork! Is there > > a reason for this? Does NT consider pork bad or something? Am I > > missing something? > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 30, 2004 --- Shari Wagner <asejmlae@...> wrote: > Dr. Mercola has touted a new book called The Maker's Diet coming out > soon that shows scientifically why the Bible makes perfect sense for health. > I ordered it and look forward to reading it. > Shari Theology and science are two very separate things, and the fastest way to find sloppy science is to look for somebody who is blending the two (witness Dr Howell). Likewise, the fastest way to find sloppy theology is to look for somebody who is blending the two. I'd say that such a book sounds like par for the course for Dr Mercola. I don't there's anything wrong with theology or with science. It's just the attempts to comingle them that drive me batty. I'd argue, in fact, that such attempts run counter to the entire notion of faith. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 30, 2004 Discussing whether or not we should mix theology and science is probably like arguing whether or not to allow gay marriages. Everybody will have their own opinion depending on their life experience with religion and God. I will, however, mention one point of interest that I wish I would have paid more attention to when I first heard it. I don't remember the details of the story such as what century it happened etc. Apparently there was a plague and many people were dying. At the time, church and state were pretty much the same thing. The leaders decided to look in the bible to get an answer as to what they should do about the horrible plaque. The bible said they should seperate the sick from the well and so they did. That was what finally ended the plague. Re: pork > --- Shari Wagner <asejmlae@...> wrote: > > Dr. Mercola has touted a new book called The Maker's Diet coming out > > soon that shows scientifically why the Bible makes perfect sense for health. > > I ordered it and look forward to reading it. > > Shari > > Theology and science are two very separate things, and the fastest way to find sloppy science is > to look for somebody who is blending the two (witness Dr Howell). Likewise, the fastest > way to find sloppy theology is to look for somebody who is blending the two. > > I'd say that such a book sounds like par for the course for Dr Mercola. > > I don't there's anything wrong with theology or with science. It's just the attempts to comingle > them that drive me batty. I'd argue, in fact, that such attempts run counter to the entire notion > of faith. > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 31, 2004 Thank you all so much for your insights and opinions on pork! I appreciate ALL of your opinions! I hope that some of the comments on pork were " friendly debates " and not people getting down on each other! Therese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 31, 2004 Regarding The Other White Meat Science says: " In late 1978, Dr. Masuo Doi, a veterinarian with the Food Safety and Quality Service, studied a disorder in some young hogs that had arrived at a Packing Plant in Albany, N.Y. from several Midwestern states. The USDA's pathologist reported that the damage in the pig's brain was similar to the damage observed in the brains of sheep afflicted with scrapie, essentially the same disease as Mad Cow Disease (BSE) in cows. " from an article by Dr. Lorraine Day MD at: www.mercola.com/2001/mar/14/mad_cow_disease2.htm ------------ Religion says in the Old Testament that The Other White Meat is unclean and may not be eaten. ------------ Religion comingled with Science Ellen White who started the Christian Science rellgion wrote in 1865: " Swine's flesh above all other flesh meats, produces a bad state of the blood. Those who eat freely of pork can not help but be diseased...The eating of pork has produced scrofula, leprosy and cancerous tumors. Pork eating is still causing the most intense suffering to the human race. (1865) " From Dr. Day in the abovementioned Mercola article. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 31, 2004 Just wondering on this: If people, like Jews, eschew pork, do they also eschew lard and any related products, i.e. summer sausage (commonly held together by lard) ? Might seem obvious but gotta ask! Thanks, Sara Regarding The Other White Meat Science says: " In late 1978, Dr. Masuo Doi, a veterinarian with the Food Safety and Quality Service, studied a disorder in some young hogs that had arrived at a Packing Plant in Albany, N.Y. from several Midwestern states. The USDA's pathologist reported that the damage in the pig's brain was similar to the damage observed in the brains of sheep afflicted with scrapie, essentially the same disease as Mad Cow Disease (BSE) in cows. " from an article by Dr. Lorraine Day MD at: www.mercola.com/2001/mar/14/mad_cow_disease2.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 31, 2004 Depends on the Jewish person. Most of the ones I know LOVE bacon and ham but still claim to eschew pork. Like it's different somehow. Hey, we're all human. What did you give up for Lent? Basically if you are ORTHODOX, you don't eat pork, period. Otherwise, it's situational. Many reformed Jews don't even go there with the pork thing. Then it boils down to KOSHER RULES for which there is no middle ground. To keep kosher, one must make quite a few sacrifices. A good friend of mine who happens to be Jewish, and with whom we are celebrating Passover next week, said they once lost his uncle. Turns out they found him out late at night, paralyzed, staring at a sign. It said: " FREE HAM " . I hope God sorts all this out.... Will Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 6, 2005 We encourage patients to start with fish and chicken, but they can incorporate pork and/or beef as they can tolerate. The pork and beef are usually tolerated at about the same time but each patient is different. Like anything else, we recommend that they go slowly with any new foods. pork Hello,For those dietitians/clinics that do not allow red meat in the first 6 month/year post-op, do you allow "white" meat pork, ie tenderloin. Thanks for the input. M. Charlier, MPH, RD, LD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Pork is very hard to digest, plus, in spite of modernity, it can still be full of parasites, dead or alive. Pork is one of the things the Old Testament forbade...pigs and hogs eat almost anything, even other pigs and hogs, and I'm sure at that time it was one unsavory dirty thing. Some people still go by the law to avoid pork, because it was " unclean " and therefore not very good for us, figuring that God knew what was and is best for us to eat. The guy who came up with the " Maker's Diet " for his own healing has a bit about pork and how bad it is for us. A shame, because who can live without bacon??? a Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 I can. Since the day I quit meat, chicken, eggs and dairy, I have never looked back with cravings or desire for any of it. Sugar and white flour were much harder for me to leave behind, but the animal products don't tempt me at all. Nina Re: Pork Pork is very hard to digest, plus, in spite of modernity, it can still be full of parasites, dead or alive. Pork is one of the things the Old Testament forbade...pigs and hogs eat almost anything, even other pigs and hogs, and I'm sure at that time it was one unsavory dirty thing. Some people still go by the law to avoid pork, because it was " unclean " and therefore not very good for us, figuring that God knew what was and is best for us to eat. The guy who came up with the " Maker's Diet " for his own healing has a bit about pork and how bad it is for us. A shame, because who can live without bacon??? a Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Jeanne, I don't eat ALOT of pork products, but can't imagine doing completely without them. What! No bacon, canadian bacon, sausage, chops, roasts, ham, ribs...! But I guess I would try if I was convinced it was the right thing to do. I have always wondered about the Jewish tradition of avoiding pork. But then, they have rules against mixing beef and milk even in the same room (let alone the same stomach)! I remember someone asking Sally once why there aren't pork recipes in NT and I think that she said something about although she does eat pork, it's safety has not been determined. I think it may be a cancer risk or something. I will be interested to hear what other better-informed people have to say. Kathy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 Jeanne, I've always been told that pork is not good to eat because of their diet (they are natural scavengers, and will eat just about anything). --- jeannekrieg <jeanne_simons@...> wrote: > I have read in numerous articles that you should not > eat pork but none > of the articles have really gotten into why. I > rather enjoy pork and > will buy 1/2 hog once or twice a year from an > organic grass fed farm > that I also buy eggs, beef, and chicken from. > > Anyone care to comment on this? > Jeanne > > > __________________________________ Mobile Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile./learn/mail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 25, 2005 You're a better man than I, Nina! I am also living without bacon, but I confess, while I don't miss all animal products, I miss bacon. Isn't that wierd? I'm hoping to get used to it. a > I can. Since the day I quit meat, chicken, eggs and dairy, I have never looked back with cravings or desire for any of it. Sugar and white flour were much harder for me to leave behind, but the animal products don't tempt me at all. > > Nina > > Re: Pork > > Pork is very hard to digest, plus, in spite of modernity, it can still be > full of parasites, dead or alive. > > Pork is one of the things the Old Testament forbade...pigs and hogs eat > almost anything, even other pigs and hogs, and I'm sure at that time it was one > unsavory dirty thing. Some people still go by the law to avoid pork, because > it was " unclean " and therefore not very good for us, figuring that God knew > what was and is best for us to eat. > > The guy who came up with the " Maker's Diet " for his own healing has a bit > about pork and how bad it is for us. A shame, because who can live without > bacon??? > > a Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites