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Ha ha ha.!!! Nope. It really happened Glitter. I was checking things out, getting ready for the First Strike, and this weekend ALL THE SIGNATURES WERE GONE !!!

Of course, it sent me into a panick, so I put out an SOS, and contacted PetitionOnline support. Later, they posted a message saying they were upgrading their servers...

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>From: glitterari@... >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Re: Petition >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:12:44 EST > >I just checked the Prozac petition and it looks fine to me with 5433 >signatures. I haven't had any problems whatsoever with accessing the >signatures. What's going on with you guys??? LOL Having a Paxil or Prozac >moment???? MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here

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Ha ha ha.!!! Nope. It really happened Glitter. I was checking things out, getting ready for the First Strike, and this weekend ALL THE SIGNATURES WERE GONE !!!

Of course, it sent me into a panick, so I put out an SOS, and contacted PetitionOnline support. Later, they posted a message saying they were upgrading their servers...

The Avenging Angel

Don't get mad... Get Even!

Sign the petitions at:

http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro

http://www.petitiononline.com/oky71.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/effexor

>From: glitterari@... >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Re: Petition >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:12:44 EST > >I just checked the Prozac petition and it looks fine to me with 5433 >signatures. I haven't had any problems whatsoever with accessing the >signatures. What's going on with you guys??? LOL Having a Paxil or Prozac >moment???? MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here

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Ha ha ha.!!! Nope. It really happened Glitter. I was checking things out, getting ready for the First Strike, and this weekend ALL THE SIGNATURES WERE GONE !!!

Of course, it sent me into a panick, so I put out an SOS, and contacted PetitionOnline support. Later, they posted a message saying they were upgrading their servers...

The Avenging Angel

Don't get mad... Get Even!

Sign the petitions at:

http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro

http://www.petitiononline.com/oky71.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/effexor

>From: glitterari@... >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Re: Petition >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:12:44 EST > >I just checked the Prozac petition and it looks fine to me with 5433 >signatures. I haven't had any problems whatsoever with accessing the >signatures. What's going on with you guys??? LOL Having a Paxil or Prozac >moment???? MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here

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Ha ha ha.!!! Nope. It really happened Glitter. I was checking things out, getting ready for the First Strike, and this weekend ALL THE SIGNATURES WERE GONE !!!

Of course, it sent me into a panick, so I put out an SOS, and contacted PetitionOnline support. Later, they posted a message saying they were upgrading their servers...

The Avenging Angel

Don't get mad... Get Even!

Sign the petitions at:

http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro

http://www.petitiononline.com/oky71.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/effexor

>From: glitterari@... >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Re: Petition >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:12:44 EST > >I just checked the Prozac petition and it looks fine to me with 5433 >signatures. I haven't had any problems whatsoever with accessing the >signatures. What's going on with you guys??? LOL Having a Paxil or Prozac >moment???? MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here

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Sandi,

I just checked it at 5:33 Mtn. Standard Time. It looks fine to me! 5433 Signatures.The Avenging Angel

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Sign the petitions at:

http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro

http://www.petitiononline.com/oky71.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/effexor

>From: PaySDPayne@... >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Petition >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:01:07 EST > >Hi everyone > is the petition in cursive writing know or did I do something?I can't read >it. >Let me know OK. > Sandi Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here

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Sandi,

I just checked it at 5:33 Mtn. Standard Time. It looks fine to me! 5433 Signatures.The Avenging Angel

Don't get mad... Get Even!

Sign the petitions at:

http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro

http://www.petitiononline.com/oky71.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/effexor

>From: PaySDPayne@... >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Petition >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:01:07 EST > >Hi everyone > is the petition in cursive writing know or did I do something?I can't read >it. >Let me know OK. > Sandi Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here

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Sandi,

I just checked it at 5:33 Mtn. Standard Time. It looks fine to me! 5433 Signatures.The Avenging Angel

Don't get mad... Get Even!

Sign the petitions at:

http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro

http://www.petitiononline.com/oky71.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/effexor

>From: PaySDPayne@... >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Petition >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:01:07 EST > >Hi everyone > is the petition in cursive writing know or did I do something?I can't read >it. >Let me know OK. > Sandi Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here

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Sandi,

I just checked it at 5:33 Mtn. Standard Time. It looks fine to me! 5433 Signatures.The Avenging Angel

Don't get mad... Get Even!

Sign the petitions at:

http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro

http://www.petitiononline.com/oky71.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/effexor

>From: PaySDPayne@... >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Petition >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:01:07 EST > >Hi everyone > is the petition in cursive writing know or did I do something?I can't read >it. >Let me know OK. > Sandi Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here

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Hi ,

Thanks for taking the time to post. As to your contentions that a

number of the facts in the petition have no backing references,

perhaps you should go back and re-read the petition. Each point

outlined there is indeed fully documented. Part 1, which is the basic

introduction to the petition illustrating 10 claims, states at it's

close, " All points outlined above are supported by documented findings

published in The Guardian; 'They said it was safe'; Boseley;

October 30, 1999 "

The points further outlined subsequent to the above - numbered 1-8,

followed by another set of claims - are fully documented, as cited

within each claim. I hope this clarifies and answers your concerns...

Collissa Weber

- In SSRI medications@y..., " Creel " <ccreel@m...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> You cite a number of facts in your petition but show no

references

for

> them. I think it would be beneficial for you to do so.

>

> Regards,

>

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Hi ,

Thanks for taking the time to post. As to your contentions that a

number of the facts in the petition have no backing references,

perhaps you should go back and re-read the petition. Each point

outlined there is indeed fully documented. Part 1, which is the basic

introduction to the petition illustrating 10 claims, states at it's

close, " All points outlined above are supported by documented findings

published in The Guardian; 'They said it was safe'; Boseley;

October 30, 1999 "

The points further outlined subsequent to the above - numbered 1-8,

followed by another set of claims - are fully documented, as cited

within each claim. I hope this clarifies and answers your concerns...

Collissa Weber

- In SSRI medications@y..., " Creel " <ccreel@m...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> You cite a number of facts in your petition but show no

references

for

> them. I think it would be beneficial for you to do so.

>

> Regards,

>

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Hi Colissa,

You said:

<<Thanks for taking the time to post. As to your contentions that a

number of the facts in the petition have no backing references,

perhaps you should go back and re-read the petition. Each point

outlined there is indeed fully documented. Part 1, which is the basic

introduction to the petition illustrating 10 claims, states at it's

close, " All points outlined above are supported by documented findings

published in The Guardian; 'They said it was safe'; Boseley;

October 30, 1999 " >>

If you had the original souirces rather than citing The Guardian, etc.,

the document would be more impressive.

For example, you cite:

" Dr. Teicher, whose early 1990's studies linked Prozac to akathisia

and suicide, is a co-inventor of the new Prozac, along with J.

Barberich, the CEO of Sepracor Inc., (a Marlborough drug company), and

W. Young. They filed their patent in August 1993, the same year Teicher

published " Antidepressant Drugs and the Emergence of Suicidal Tendencies " ,

which concluded that patients on Prozac were at least three times more

likely to become suicidal than those on older antidepressants. (Journal Drug

Safety) "

Using the science and medical search engine Scirus, PubMed,

Medline, and Teicher's website at Harvard, the journal mentioned

above cannot be found. This is what you want your citations to look like:

Fava M, Dunner DL, Greist JH, et al.

Efficacy and safety of mirtazapine in major depressive disorder

patients after SSRI treatment failure: an open-label trial.

J Clin Psychiatry (United States), Jun 2001, 62(6) p413-20

You're sending this to The Office of the Surgeon General of the United

States; The Department of Health & Human Services; The Federal Bureau of

Investigations and The Justice Department. Making the citations

professional and traceable would make your assertions in the petition

more believeable. Some of your other citations are newspaper articles.

They are not considered valid sources of facts.

I'd be glad to help with this if you'd like to pursue it. You're

bucking

som very powerful movement - pharmaceutical, medical, political. It

would give you more of an advantage to approach this as professionally

and acurately as possible.

This is not a criticism. I want to help.

Regards,

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Hi Colissa,

You said:

<<Thanks for taking the time to post. As to your contentions that a

number of the facts in the petition have no backing references,

perhaps you should go back and re-read the petition. Each point

outlined there is indeed fully documented. Part 1, which is the basic

introduction to the petition illustrating 10 claims, states at it's

close, " All points outlined above are supported by documented findings

published in The Guardian; 'They said it was safe'; Boseley;

October 30, 1999 " >>

If you had the original souirces rather than citing The Guardian, etc.,

the document would be more impressive.

For example, you cite:

" Dr. Teicher, whose early 1990's studies linked Prozac to akathisia

and suicide, is a co-inventor of the new Prozac, along with J.

Barberich, the CEO of Sepracor Inc., (a Marlborough drug company), and

W. Young. They filed their patent in August 1993, the same year Teicher

published " Antidepressant Drugs and the Emergence of Suicidal Tendencies " ,

which concluded that patients on Prozac were at least three times more

likely to become suicidal than those on older antidepressants. (Journal Drug

Safety) "

Using the science and medical search engine Scirus, PubMed,

Medline, and Teicher's website at Harvard, the journal mentioned

above cannot be found. This is what you want your citations to look like:

Fava M, Dunner DL, Greist JH, et al.

Efficacy and safety of mirtazapine in major depressive disorder

patients after SSRI treatment failure: an open-label trial.

J Clin Psychiatry (United States), Jun 2001, 62(6) p413-20

You're sending this to The Office of the Surgeon General of the United

States; The Department of Health & Human Services; The Federal Bureau of

Investigations and The Justice Department. Making the citations

professional and traceable would make your assertions in the petition

more believeable. Some of your other citations are newspaper articles.

They are not considered valid sources of facts.

I'd be glad to help with this if you'd like to pursue it. You're

bucking

som very powerful movement - pharmaceutical, medical, political. It

would give you more of an advantage to approach this as professionally

and acurately as possible.

This is not a criticism. I want to help.

Regards,

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Dear ,

Thank you for your concern. I noticed that Collissa has also responded to your concern. Collissa is the author of the Eli Lilly & Prozac Petition. Others (myself included) reviewed the first few drafts for accuracy and to give additional input. Collissa is a published author, and is detail oriented. We know how very important it is to be able to verify all points brought up in this petition. You may also want to refer to the following links for back-up to the statements made in the petition. If you need any further evidence of the veracity of all points covered, please let me know.

FDA Listing of reported Adverse Drug Reactions to Prozac (1987-1995)

http://www.2.netdoor.com/~bill/prosurv/fda95adr.html

Guardian - Happy drug Prozac can bring on impulse to suicide, study says

By Boseley, health correspondent - Monday, May 22, 2000

http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,223570,00.html

Guardian - Spiral of Violence Blamed on Prozac

By Browne, Health Editor - Sunday, March 12, 2000

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,3973045,00.html

Eli Lilly's internal memos proving they knew Prozac had serious side effects:

http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/media/timeline.html

Problems With Prozac - Dr. Bourgignon

http://www.camtech.net.au/malam/reports/prozac.htm

Neuroscientist Says No to Drugs:

http://www.oikos.org/brainchemistry.htm

Did 140 People Die because they took Prozac?

http://www.lineone.net/express/00/04/02news/n0220prozad-d.html

Murder, suicide. A bitter taste of the 'Wonder' depression drug

http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4201752,00.html

Antidepressant Addiction Warning

http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/health/newsid_1382000/1382551.stm

Doctor's Guilty of Not Providing Adequate Information About Side Effects

http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/health/newsid_222000/222098.stm

Long Term Consequences of Prozac Use Unknown

http://www.abcnews.go.com/onair/CloserLook/wnt00410_CL_antidepressants_feature.html

, I have many many more references than these listed here, along with several case histories of victims affected by Prozac and other SSRI drugs. Let me know how I can help you... Evidently you want to make sure your facts are straight. So do we.

The Avenging Angel

Please sign the petitions at:

http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro

http://www.petitiononline.com/oky71.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/effexor

>From: " Creel"

>Reply-SSRI medications >

>Subject: Re: Petition >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:01:37 -0500 > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here

Hi,

You cite a number of facts in your petition but show no references for

them. I think it would be beneficial for you to do so.

Regards,

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Dear ,

Thank you for your concern. I noticed that Collissa has also responded to your concern. Collissa is the author of the Eli Lilly & Prozac Petition. Others (myself included) reviewed the first few drafts for accuracy and to give additional input. Collissa is a published author, and is detail oriented. We know how very important it is to be able to verify all points brought up in this petition. You may also want to refer to the following links for back-up to the statements made in the petition. If you need any further evidence of the veracity of all points covered, please let me know.

FDA Listing of reported Adverse Drug Reactions to Prozac (1987-1995)

http://www.2.netdoor.com/~bill/prosurv/fda95adr.html

Guardian - Happy drug Prozac can bring on impulse to suicide, study says

By Boseley, health correspondent - Monday, May 22, 2000

http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,223570,00.html

Guardian - Spiral of Violence Blamed on Prozac

By Browne, Health Editor - Sunday, March 12, 2000

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,3973045,00.html

Eli Lilly's internal memos proving they knew Prozac had serious side effects:

http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/media/timeline.html

Problems With Prozac - Dr. Bourgignon

http://www.camtech.net.au/malam/reports/prozac.htm

Neuroscientist Says No to Drugs:

http://www.oikos.org/brainchemistry.htm

Did 140 People Die because they took Prozac?

http://www.lineone.net/express/00/04/02news/n0220prozad-d.html

Murder, suicide. A bitter taste of the 'Wonder' depression drug

http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4201752,00.html

Antidepressant Addiction Warning

http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/health/newsid_1382000/1382551.stm

Doctor's Guilty of Not Providing Adequate Information About Side Effects

http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/health/newsid_222000/222098.stm

Long Term Consequences of Prozac Use Unknown

http://www.abcnews.go.com/onair/CloserLook/wnt00410_CL_antidepressants_feature.html

, I have many many more references than these listed here, along with several case histories of victims affected by Prozac and other SSRI drugs. Let me know how I can help you... Evidently you want to make sure your facts are straight. So do we.

The Avenging Angel

Please sign the petitions at:

http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro

http://www.petitiononline.com/oky71.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/effexor

>From: " Creel"

>Reply-SSRI medications >

>Subject: Re: Petition >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:01:37 -0500 > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here

Hi,

You cite a number of facts in your petition but show no references for

them. I think it would be beneficial for you to do so.

Regards,

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In a message dated 2/17/02 12:58:28 PM Mountain Standard Time, ccreel@... writes:

I've offered to research

the actual citations. I hope people understand what I'm saying here.

Legitimate citations are the only thing they will accept as the gospel. It would be a shame to be criticized for the omission of these citations when everything else is so right-on.

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In a message dated 2/17/02 12:58:28 PM Mountain Standard Time, ccreel@... writes:

I've offered to research

the actual citations. I hope people understand what I'm saying here.

Legitimate citations are the only thing they will accept as the gospel. It would be a shame to be criticized for the omission of these citations when everything else is so right-on.

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Hello there - It's me Jamo here - I get what you are saying.

If you can physically document said petition and attach where

appropriate that would be a great boon to the SSRI Crusaders. I think

that you could just cut and paste it up right hear, and INDEED lend

credence to the Petition, Where it is due. You are correct in

surmising the otherwise high quality of it..... Jamo

> Hi Dawn,

>

>

> You said:

>

> << If you need any further evidence of the veracity of all points covered,

> please let me know. >>

>

>

> It is not I who needs evidence. It is those who will receive this

> petition. News articles are not evidence. I've offered to research

> the actual citations. I hope people understand what I'm saying here.

>

> Regards,

>

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Hello there - It's me Jamo here - I get what you are saying.

If you can physically document said petition and attach where

appropriate that would be a great boon to the SSRI Crusaders. I think

that you could just cut and paste it up right hear, and INDEED lend

credence to the Petition, Where it is due. You are correct in

surmising the otherwise high quality of it..... Jamo

> Hi Dawn,

>

>

> You said:

>

> << If you need any further evidence of the veracity of all points covered,

> please let me know. >>

>

>

> It is not I who needs evidence. It is those who will receive this

> petition. News articles are not evidence. I've offered to research

> the actual citations. I hope people understand what I'm saying here.

>

> Regards,

>

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  • 5 years later...

I think this is what I would want but I am rather cross at the NHS right now, more so than usual.

That his secretary for health should learn all there is about how undiagnosed illness affects every single person in the family and creates a burden to the state - hypothyroidism is THE biggest problem in this area and it is disgusting how people are becoming bedridden due to lack of knowledge and misinformation on this illness.

Luv nne



Petitions have long been sent to the Prime Minister by post or delivered to the Number 10 door in person. We can now both create and sign petitions on their website, giving us the opportunity to reach a potentially wider audience and to deliver our petition directly to Downing Street.

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Thanks Caroline and nne - I am keeping a list of everything anybody sends in.

Luv - Sheila

Re: Petition

The main one for me is Dr not listening to patients symptoms and treating by blood tests only.

Carolinesheilaturner <sheilaturnertpa-uk (DOT) org.uk> wrote:



Petitions - we need to take just one issue and deal with that, but what do you consider the main one?

Luv - Sheila

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.... we need to take just one issue and deal with that, but what do you

consider the main one?

Hi Sheila

For me it would be that GP's only go by blood tests and that if you

have a so called " normal " blood test you can pass under the radar for

years before a correct diagnosis is made.

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I don't want a list of all the issues we experience within the NHS, we need to take just one issue and deal with that, but what do you consider the main one?Luv - Sheila

For me, the main thing would be to get Armour licenced. There is no-way I will ever be able to get it under the NHS unless it is as my GP says he will never give a prescription for any unlicensed drug even if an endo asks him to. I can see his point, it should be licensed, then he will prescribe it.

Val

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I would say that dr's also learn about how to read the bloods when they prescribe it - trained by someone who knows what the heck they are talking about - due to my reduced precription this is very dear to my heart.

Luv nne

For me, the main thing would be to get Armour licenced.

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Sadly Val - I have heard it would cost in the region of £8,000,000 to get Armour licensed in the UK. Where that figure came from I have no idea, but that is what I was told by somebody from the Broda Institute who market Armour. I doubt this will ever take place. It is up to your doctor and I bet you that he DOES prescribe unlicensed medication for children, as many of the medications given to children are not licensed. If you were living in a region where you had more doctors, I would advise you to change your doctor.

Luv - Sheila

I don't want a list of all the issues we experience within the NHS, we need to take just one issue and deal with that, but what do you consider the main one?Luv - Sheila

For me, the main thing would be to get Armour licenced. There is no-way I will ever be able to get it under the NHS unless it is as my GP says he will never give a prescription for any unlicensed drug even if an endo asks him to. I can see his point, it should be licensed, then he will prescribe it.

Val

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