Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 In a message dated 9/25/99 8:46:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Pouckie2@... writes: << But we tend to forget that we also have discriminated and stereotyped others, during some point of our lives. Perhaps it is human nature to discriminate and stereotype people that are different from ourselves, either because of their race, religion, or culture. My point is instead of wasting so much time in complaining and criticizing others because of their occupations, you should work on bettering yourself, and being happy with who you are. >> I think we forgotten the most important issue. People of short stature have been discriminated and poked fun at for too long plain and simple period. What I find is a waste of time, energy is people that aren't " waking up and smelling the already brewed coffee " as far as people are happy with themselves, but are encountering the discrimination, prejudiced from others in the business and personal world that is due to the fact of being uneducated period about someone of short stature. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 In a message dated 26/09/99 07:00:17 GMT Daylight Time, HelenJW@... writes: Helen, I agree with you on this one. << What I find is a waste of time, energy is people that aren't " waking up and smelling the already brewed coffee " as far as people are happy with themselves, but are encountering the discrimination, prejudiced from others in the business and personal world that is due to the fact of being uneducated period about someone of short stature. Helen >> I have a wonderful degree in Architecture, have a great portfolio (which I got high marks on) and I have had problems getting a good job. Now keep in mind I live in England and it is worse for discrimination over here! I often get short listed, which means they like your application and they want to interview you. As soon as I show up at the interview I get the strangest reactions. I've been told " You don't fit our image. " " We have decided not to hire anyone now. " , .....etc... If I don't get the post because someone is better then me, fine... may the best person for the job get it. I now run my own business and am the consultant for the Museum of Science and Industry here in Manchester and I also give seminars to architects and designers on designing accessible environment for everyone. They hear how to design better for people who use wheelchairs, visually impaired, hearing impaired, mentally or learning impaired, short stature, epilepsy, arthritis, older age people, etc.... I research these areas and give the best assistance I can to the architect, planner, engineer, designer and business owner. I also work part-time as a research assistant for the SURFACE team at Salford University in Manchester, UK. (Salford University Research For ACcessible Environments) which is in the Construction & Property Management Dept. It's great because I now have the chance to work on my PhD. So if anyone needs to talk about access issues for the built environment just write me on: LSAdesign@... Take care, Jude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 1999 Report Share Posted September 26, 1999 nbhjlkoiuh Discrimination >From: Pouckie2@... > > It is unfortunate, but true that there are many people who discriminate >and stereotype little people. > > But we tend to forget that we also have discriminated and stereotyped >others, during some point of our lives. Perhaps it is human nature to >discriminate and stereotype people that are different from ourselves, either >because of their race, religion, or culture. > >My point is instead of wasting so much time in complaining and criticizing >others because of their occupations, you should work on bettering yourself, >and being happy with who you are. > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2000 Report Share Posted March 24, 2000 Thank You I will print this out and give it to him you never know it might help........Thanks, Connie --- kalidurga@... wrote: > Constance, > Unfortunately I do not now what rights gay people > have in most states. I > do know it is discrimination to fire someone for > being gay in some > states, but not all. Even if it is considered > discrimination, it has to > be proved. Unless someone is willing to come forward > with information, > it cannot be proved. Also the same goes with all > discrimination. If it > cannot be proved, it is a lost cause. I would tell > them to contact > GLADD. I do not know the number or web addy, but do > a search and I am > sure you will find alot of information. It is an > organization that gets > involved with discrimination and other things. > I am sorry I am not too much help, but I know each > state varies widely > when it comes to discrimination. I am from > Massachusetts and I do not > know what rights I have here. I do know some > colleges that state people > of different races, colors, sex, religion and sexual > orientation are not > to be discriminated against. It is printed in their > booklets, and alot > of them have gay groups and organizations. > I hope some day we all can be free. Black, white, > gay, heterosexual, > handicap, all religions and anyone else I left out. > My prayers with anyone suffering. > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2000 Report Share Posted March 25, 2000 Dear Jim and Whoever else did not sign: You are very wrong about some of these issues not being political, and if we do not discuss these somehwhere, then they may never get addressed. Just for whomever complained about my comment about Regan, understand: 1. This is historical fact; 2. HCV may be even a bigger cover up; 3. Just like in HIV, people with HCV are discriminated against on a daily basis because of ignorance. This goes so far as pharmacists, (medical people) labeling someone. So, get real and understand that these issues are ones that face all of us. The facts are that HCV is still not getting the research dollars it needs and we are all paying for it. At least in my wife's case, and several other patients I have seen, they apparently got HCV during the 2 year window, when the disease was known, and no one forced blood bank testing. I venture to say there are hundreds of thousands that got AIDs during the period when Regan, and the government did nothing, and some of the victims are dead, but it was a " gay disease " , which we know is not true now. If anyone has HCV how many have been publicly, or more subtlely branded as being an alcoholic? Again, HCV used to be " non-A/non-B " and if, someone started to look at it a decade before, or years before, how many might not have died, or had to go through all the therapy, if the government had intercepted and/or educated all of us that we might have been kept from the disease? I do not like politics either, and wish it never played in health care, but, I kinow and have seen, that until any disease hits a population that speaks the loudest, and is highly visible, research dollars are not given. I am sure if Chelsea Clinton, or some " movie star " besides Niomai Judd come forward and starts to speak about going through a year of therapy, or their family's talk about them after they die from HCV, there will suddenly be more money for research, and possibly a better treatment or cure will be found much sooner. So, whether anyone likes it or not, who and how an epidemic is publicly known, and how fast, and loud, people are educated, does play a role for all of us. Thats historical and current fact. If you want to use a financial argument, then why should Shearing support another treatment, when, the first line is the Rebetrol, and that costs $ 1,500.00 a month. If I had stock I would want to see as much of it sold as possible, but as a consumer, I am not that keen. We are always talking politics and business, because that is what actually makes our World, and if we keep allowing these things to happen, what disease will be next?, and how many people will die? We owe it to ourselves, our children and grandchildren to make those groups that make policy, accountable, and take measures as soon as they know something is a pattern. Is it a " liberal " attitude?, maybe, but, I have spent too much time watching and caring for victims of these diseases to not have some strong opinions, and especially on areas that hit home. I watch my wife, after getting her shot, feeling tired the next day, and both her and my life work around the disease and therapy, so whether the patient, or family, we are all affected. Enough is enough and what is next that we do not know about? I could give more concrete evidence of medications and disease, but you are right that this is not the place to air them at length. But, someone posted to the site about having a disease that was labeled and is discriminatory, and I voiced my opinion about some of it. If nothing else, I am willing to acknowledged their presence, and may not agree with all their feelings, but, will die to defend their right to say them. But, the fact of the matter is that, in one way or another we are all affected, and all need to make ourselves heard so maybe next year there will be a cure. If thats liberal, then I am guilty, but, I'll still try to keep others from a fate like this and will hold anyone and everyone accountable that knows about a major disease and does nothing to stop the spread, or fund research to find a cure. Wouldn't it be nice if someone came out tomarrow and says, here is this pill, take one a day for a week and you will be rid of HCV????!!! Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2000 Report Share Posted March 25, 2000 Dear Jim and Whoever else did not sign: You are very wrong about some of these issues not being political, and if we do not discuss these somehwhere, then they may never get addressed. Just for whomever complained about my comment about Regan, understand: 1. This is historical fact; 2. HCV may be even a bigger cover up; 3. Just like in HIV, people with HCV are discriminated against on a daily basis because of ignorance. This goes so far as pharmacists, (medical people) labeling someone. So, get real and understand that these issues are ones that face all of us. The facts are that HCV is still not getting the research dollars it needs and we are all paying for it. At least in my wife's case, and several other patients I have seen, they apparently got HCV during the 2 year window, when the disease was known, and no one forced blood bank testing. I venture to say there are hundreds of thousands that got AIDs during the period when Regan, and the government did nothing, and some of the victims are dead, but it was a " gay disease " , which we know is not true now. If anyone has HCV how many have been publicly, or more subtlely branded as being an alcoholic? Again, HCV used to be " non-A/non-B " and if, someone started to look at it a decade before, or years before, how many might not have died, or had to go through all the therapy, if the government had intercepted and/or educated all of us that we might have been kept from the disease? I do not like politics either, and wish it never played in health care, but, I kinow and have seen, that until any disease hits a population that speaks the loudest, and is highly visible, research dollars are not given. I am sure if Chelsea Clinton, or some " movie star " besides Niomai Judd come forward and starts to speak about going through a year of therapy, or their family's talk about them after they die from HCV, there will suddenly be more money for research, and possibly a better treatment or cure will be found much sooner. So, whether anyone likes it or not, who and how an epidemic is publicly known, and how fast, and loud, people are educated, does play a role for all of us. Thats historical and current fact. If you want to use a financial argument, then why should Shearing support another treatment, when, the first line is the Rebetrol, and that costs $ 1,500.00 a month. If I had stock I would want to see as much of it sold as possible, but as a consumer, I am not that keen. We are always talking politics and business, because that is what actually makes our World, and if we keep allowing these things to happen, what disease will be next?, and how many people will die? We owe it to ourselves, our children and grandchildren to make those groups that make policy, accountable, and take measures as soon as they know something is a pattern. Is it a " liberal " attitude?, maybe, but, I have spent too much time watching and caring for victims of these diseases to not have some strong opinions, and especially on areas that hit home. I watch my wife, after getting her shot, feeling tired the next day, and both her and my life work around the disease and therapy, so whether the patient, or family, we are all affected. Enough is enough and what is next that we do not know about? I could give more concrete evidence of medications and disease, but you are right that this is not the place to air them at length. But, someone posted to the site about having a disease that was labeled and is discriminatory, and I voiced my opinion about some of it. If nothing else, I am willing to acknowledged their presence, and may not agree with all their feelings, but, will die to defend their right to say them. But, the fact of the matter is that, in one way or another we are all affected, and all need to make ourselves heard so maybe next year there will be a cure. If thats liberal, then I am guilty, but, I'll still try to keep others from a fate like this and will hold anyone and everyone accountable that knows about a major disease and does nothing to stop the spread, or fund research to find a cure. Wouldn't it be nice if someone came out tomarrow and says, here is this pill, take one a day for a week and you will be rid of HCV????!!! Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2000 Report Share Posted March 25, 2000 so true byteme.... more women than men have hiv now, esp in africa. Where I work, my good friend also works. She is part of a lesbian couple who consider themselves married. The company doesn't discriminate against her, but her cooworkers do. Gawd help me if they found out I had HCV. Someone complained cause she hugged another lady in the company parking lot. But I kiss my husband every day in the parking lot, no one complains. And so it goes. Yes you see now Reagan's daughter sees the " awful effects " of alzheimer's on her Dad. I truly feel for them cause I've seen it too in my own family. Too bad it wasn't HCV huh? I am truly thinking that the gov is keeping this covered up some. It IS an epidemic! The medical community labels it such. Why does TB get more air time (we had two cases in Ft. Worth this year.. TWO) than HCV? And when Harvey spoke of " liver disease " being spread by razors and shavers by veterans in hospitals .... why didn't he say HCV or Hepatitis? alley/ ICQ 12631861 alleypat@... http://micromagic.net/~alleypat <center> <a href= " /subscribe/DFW_Liver_Disease " > <img src= " /images/join.gif " border=0><br> Click to subscribe to DFW_Liver_Disease</a> </center> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2000 Report Share Posted March 25, 2000 so true byteme.... more women than men have hiv now, esp in africa. Where I work, my good friend also works. She is part of a lesbian couple who consider themselves married. The company doesn't discriminate against her, but her cooworkers do. Gawd help me if they found out I had HCV. Someone complained cause she hugged another lady in the company parking lot. But I kiss my husband every day in the parking lot, no one complains. And so it goes. Yes you see now Reagan's daughter sees the " awful effects " of alzheimer's on her Dad. I truly feel for them cause I've seen it too in my own family. Too bad it wasn't HCV huh? I am truly thinking that the gov is keeping this covered up some. It IS an epidemic! The medical community labels it such. Why does TB get more air time (we had two cases in Ft. Worth this year.. TWO) than HCV? And when Harvey spoke of " liver disease " being spread by razors and shavers by veterans in hospitals .... why didn't he say HCV or Hepatitis? alley/ ICQ 12631861 alleypat@... http://micromagic.net/~alleypat <center> <a href= " /subscribe/DFW_Liver_Disease " > <img src= " /images/join.gif " border=0><br> Click to subscribe to DFW_Liver_Disease</a> </center> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2000 Report Share Posted December 11, 2000 , I agree with you. I feel that if we want to be with a tall man/woman, or an lp, that is OUR choice and NO ONE should be curious about it. It may be odd to some, but so what. If two people love each other, NO MATTER of their size or whatever, that they should be together. I am truly upset about the person that posted the question, simply because your going to get ALOT of controversy, which we really don't need on this wonderful list. So much fighting that isn't worth it. Plus, it really isn't anyone's business or concern who we go out with/marry, or what type of person they are(lp, disabled..)So what if an lp marries a tall person, let them be, that is what they want. I know I am rambling, so I will stop. Jayme <irish_p_butter@...> wrote: Hello all, I am talking about one tall person with an lp. I do know some couples where one of the person is tall. They have expressed to me that they have been looked at as different by some in lpa and that some felt the lp person was in a way a traitor. Who the people are I shall keep to myself, but I feel that this is an issue that has many view points. Who says what is right or wrong, it all has to do with personal prefence. I feel that it doesn't matter what size you are if it is your heart talking. It is like saying well only blonde haired people can go out with blonde haired people, hmmm doesn't that sound stupid? Same about size. Yes the reality is that there will be tall men for us women that do not want to be with us because of our size the same as tall women with men. That does not mean that we are inadequate or horrible people it just means that we are just not the special ones to catch there eye. Yes tall people can be superficial but guess what so can we. eGroups Sponsor --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2001 Report Share Posted January 3, 2001 (now 9), started in our church's Mom's Day Out program when she was 3 months, so we didn't worry about the behavior issues yet. However, the workers will nervous about taking care of , none of them had ever taken care of a baby with DS before. I talked to our EI Specialist and she visited the church on several occasions, talking about DS, and answering any questions the workers had. -- Sharon, Mom to (9, DS) and (5) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 The thing about job discrimination is that it is very very hard to prove. A lot of it is based on your gut feeling - that they discriminated against you. A lot of minorities can tell if someone is talking/whispering about them, staring at them etc. because they have been exposed to it. When people have whispered about me, my boyfriend never noticed it until I pointed it out to him. Now he kind of looks for it, but still misses it sometimes. The point I'm making is that if you apply for job after job, and are very qualified - have good references, etc.... but still get denied each time... you start to have this sick feeling you COULD be getting discriminated against. Of course the employer will say they just found someone with more experience but HOW do you really know that? Discrimination upon hiring is hard to prove. It's a little easier to prove if it deals with promotions, benefits, bonuses etc... cause people at work talk, and things go around. When I was laid off recently, my HR manager tried diligently to get me a job because he was worried I would be discriminated against. I said I didn't think I had been discriminated against.... but he said that HR people are trained to say certain things to avoid lawsuits so I would really never know if I had been or not. My HR manager was Chinese and he in his gut he believed he has been discriminated against but has never been able to prove it as well. Anyway, I wrote awhile ago about my job situation. I am a final candidate for a company and the pay is very good.... more than my previous position. They are checking my references this week and hopefully they will offer me the job. However I am not getting my hopes up because I've gone as far as reference checking before, only for them to come back and say they gave it to a white male who was more " experienced " . Hmm.... K McClintock wrote: > Reading the posts about tossing, and public image has > got me to thinking... (dangerous, I know)... > > Discrimination is an interesting word - and here I am > applying it only to the workplace. Whenever I have > been a hiring manager, and I interview a group of > candidates, I " discriminate " against all but the one I > hire - for one reason or another. Qualifications, > experience, work style, personality, salary > requirements, education - for one reason or another I > must disqualify all but the person I choose to hire. > And even then, above me the company may further > discriminate - they run extensive background checks > and drug tests. > > This brings me to discrimination in the workplace > against LPs. > > Perhaps I am a " freak " in this group. I have never > once been discriminated against in employment because > of my size. Not once. My father has never been > discriminated against in employment because of his > size. One time - pre ADA - in high school my brother > applied for a job at a car wash and was hired, only to > be let go because the liability insurance carrier > would not cover him because he was an LP, however, the > employer wanted him still. > > So, maybe I have this rose colored version of the > world. I lived in Missouri for a long time, so, > please people, show me. Call this the unscientific > Poll. I'd like to have more than vague > references, or " I knew a guy " stories. If you have > been discriminated against in the workplace because > of your size, I'd like to hear your story. For those > of you who have experienced anti-LP discrimination, > have you fought it legally - why or why not. > > For the purposes of this information, I am sure there > are those of you who have experienced " hostile work > environment " episodes, however, I would like to focus > on true discrimination (hiring, promotional, training, > wage, etc.). > > If my perceptions are wrong, only those of you who > have been there can educate me. > > Thanks- > > McClintock > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 , if you were never discriminated against, you are one of the lucky ones. Or if you were, you may not have realized it, or denied it ever happened?? In my 24 yrs of working, I am being realistic-I have been discriminated against in some jobs I have applied for, not because I looked for it, but it happened. Both my parents who were both LP went through this also. One time in May 1993 I had applied for an animal hospital job which I was well qualified for and the veterinarian/owner of the practice told me flat out, " Why would I hire someone like you? You'd be a hinderance to my clinic! " After a few more words with him back and forth trying to let him know I can handle this job and have done it before, he boldly yelled, " I don't give a s*** if you have experience! " The next day I drove to downtown Chicago (I lived in the nearby burbs then), and went to the Illinois State Bldg where the Illinois State Dept of Human Rights office is. I filed a complaint, it was then investigated, put on a 3 yr waiting list. Then my case came up in December 1995. In the end I won-he was proven wrong by the Board and he had to pay me some money. My attorney and the Judge at Human Rights told him he needs to fix his poor attitude, since he made a scene at the mediation. I am sure not all of us go through cases as severe as this, but it happens. And it is not because we go around looking for it, we get it anyways. But, there have been jobs I have acquired where the manager/ veterinarian has hired me on the spot. So it depends on the person who interviews us. Dawn McClintock wrote: > This brings me to discrimination in the workplace > against LPs. > > Perhaps I am a " freak " in this group. I have never > once been discriminated against in employment because > of my size. Not once. My father has never been > discriminated against in employment because of his > size. One time - pre ADA - in high school my brother > applied for a job at a car wash and was hired, only to > be let go because the liability insurance carrier > would not cover him because he was an LP, however, the > employer wanted him still. > > So, maybe I have this rose colored version of the > world. I lived in Missouri for a long time, so, > please people, show me. Call this the unscientific > Poll. I'd like to have more than vague > references, or " I knew a guy " stories. If you have > been discriminated against in the workplace because > of your size, I'd like to hear your story. For those > of you who have experienced anti-LP discrimination, > have you fought it legally - why or why not. > > For the purposes of this information, I am sure there > are those of you who have experienced " hostile work > environment " episodes, however, I would like to focus > on true discrimination (hiring, promotional, training, > wage, etc.). > > If my perceptions are wrong, only those of you who > have been there can educate me. > > Thanks- > > McClintock > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 Not to speak for but I know she is around my age (early 20's) and it's different for us because we're younger. In my experience the discrimination that happens nowadays probably isn't as blatant as it used to be. A lot of people know to be politcally correct to avoid a lawsuit. I am sorry you had to go through that Dawn. That guy sounded like a nut case anyway. I feel would be wary of taking my cat to a guy like him. petlvr40 wrote: > , if you were never discriminated against, you are one of the > lucky ones. Or if you were, you may not have realized it, or denied > it ever happened?? > In my 24 yrs of working, I am being realistic-I have been > discriminated against in some jobs I have applied for, not because I > looked for it, but it happened. Both my parents who were both LP went > through this also. One time in May 1993 I had applied for an animal > hospital job which I was well qualified for and the > veterinarian/owner of the practice told me flat out, " Why would I > hire someone like you? You'd be a hinderance to my clinic! " After a > few more words with him back and forth trying to let him know I can > handle this job and have done it before, he boldly yelled, " I don't > give a s*** if you have experience! " > The next day I drove to downtown Chicago (I lived in the nearby burbs > then), and went to the Illinois State Bldg where the Illinois State > Dept of Human Rights office is. I filed a complaint, it was then > investigated, put on a 3 yr waiting list. Then my case came up in > December 1995. In the end I won-he was proven wrong by the Board and > he had to pay me some money. My attorney and the Judge at Human > Rights told him he needs to fix his poor attitude, since he made a > scene at the mediation. > I am sure not all of us go through cases as severe as this, but it > happens. And it is not because we go around looking for it, we get it > anyways. But, there have been jobs I have acquired where the manager/ > veterinarian has hired me on the spot. So it depends on the person > who interviews us. > > Dawn > > McClintock wrote: > > This brings me to discrimination in the workplace > > against LPs. > > > > Perhaps I am a " freak " in this group. I have never > > once been discriminated against in employment because > > of my size. Not once. My father has never been > > discriminated against in employment because of his > > size. One time - pre ADA - in high school my brother > > applied for a job at a car wash and was hired, only to > > be let go because the liability insurance carrier > > would not cover him because he was an LP, however, the > > employer wanted him still. > > > > So, maybe I have this rose colored version of the > > world. I lived in Missouri for a long time, so, > > please people, show me. Call this the unscientific > > Poll. I'd like to have more than vague > > references, or " I knew a guy " stories. If you have > > been discriminated against in the workplace because > > of your size, I'd like to hear your story. For those > > of you who have experienced anti-LP discrimination, > > have you fought it legally - why or why not. > > > > For the purposes of this information, I am sure there > > are those of you who have experienced " hostile work > > environment " episodes, however, I would like to focus > > on true discrimination (hiring, promotional, training, > > wage, etc.). > > > > If my perceptions are wrong, only those of you who > > have been there can educate me. > > > > Thanks- > > > > McClintock > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 ack... minus feel wrote: > Not to speak for but I know she is around my age (early 20's) and it's different for us because we're younger. In my experience the discrimination that happens nowadays > probably isn't as blatant as it used to be. A lot of people know to be politcally correct to avoid a lawsuit. > > I am sorry you had to go through that Dawn. That guy sounded like a nut case anyway. I feel would be wary of taking my cat to a guy like him. > > petlvr40 wrote: > > > , if you were never discriminated against, you are one of the > > lucky ones. Or if you were, you may not have realized it, or denied > > it ever happened?? > > In my 24 yrs of working, I am being realistic-I have been > > discriminated against in some jobs I have applied for, not because I > > looked for it, but it happened. Both my parents who were both LP went > > through this also. One time in May 1993 I had applied for an animal > > hospital job which I was well qualified for and the > > veterinarian/owner of the practice told me flat out, " Why would I > > hire someone like you? You'd be a hinderance to my clinic! " After a > > few more words with him back and forth trying to let him know I can > > handle this job and have done it before, he boldly yelled, " I don't > > give a s*** if you have experience! " > > The next day I drove to downtown Chicago (I lived in the nearby burbs > > then), and went to the Illinois State Bldg where the Illinois State > > Dept of Human Rights office is. I filed a complaint, it was then > > investigated, put on a 3 yr waiting list. Then my case came up in > > December 1995. In the end I won-he was proven wrong by the Board and > > he had to pay me some money. My attorney and the Judge at Human > > Rights told him he needs to fix his poor attitude, since he made a > > scene at the mediation. > > I am sure not all of us go through cases as severe as this, but it > > happens. And it is not because we go around looking for it, we get it > > anyways. But, there have been jobs I have acquired where the manager/ > > veterinarian has hired me on the spot. So it depends on the person > > who interviews us. > > > > Dawn > > > > McClintock wrote: > > > This brings me to discrimination in the workplace > > > against LPs. > > > > > > Perhaps I am a " freak " in this group. I have never > > > once been discriminated against in employment because > > > of my size. Not once. My father has never been > > > discriminated against in employment because of his > > > size. One time - pre ADA - in high school my brother > > > applied for a job at a car wash and was hired, only to > > > be let go because the liability insurance carrier > > > would not cover him because he was an LP, however, the > > > employer wanted him still. > > > > > > So, maybe I have this rose colored version of the > > > world. I lived in Missouri for a long time, so, > > > please people, show me. Call this the unscientific > > > Poll. I'd like to have more than vague > > > references, or " I knew a guy " stories. If you have > > > been discriminated against in the workplace because > > > of your size, I'd like to hear your story. For those > > > of you who have experienced anti-LP discrimination, > > > have you fought it legally - why or why not. > > > > > > For the purposes of this information, I am sure there > > > are those of you who have experienced " hostile work > > > environment " episodes, however, I would like to focus > > > on true discrimination (hiring, promotional, training, > > > wage, etc.). > > > > > > If my perceptions are wrong, only those of you who > > > have been there can educate me. > > > > > > Thanks- > > > > > > McClintock > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 - You are my new best friend!! (Actually, I turned 37 last week)... Feeling younger by the moment- --- <lswans@...> wrote: > Not to speak for but I know she is around my > age (early 20's) and it's different for us because > we're younger. In my experience the discrimination > that happens nowadays > probably isn't as blatant as it used to be. A lot of > people know to be politcally correct to avoid a > lawsuit. > > I am sorry you had to go through that Dawn. That guy > sounded like a nut case anyway. I feel would be wary > of taking my cat to a guy like him. > > petlvr40 wrote: > > > , if you were never discriminated against, > you are one of the > > lucky ones. Or if you were, you may not have > realized it, or denied > > it ever happened?? > > In my 24 yrs of working, I am being realistic-I > have been > > discriminated against in some jobs I have applied > for, not because I > > looked for it, but it happened. Both my parents > who were both LP went > > through this also. One time in May 1993 I had > applied for an animal > > hospital job which I was well qualified for and > the > > veterinarian/owner of the practice told me flat > out, " Why would I > > hire someone like you? You'd be a hinderance to my > clinic! " After a > > few more words with him back and forth trying to > let him know I can > > handle this job and have done it before, he boldly > yelled, " I don't > > give a s*** if you have experience! " > > The next day I drove to downtown Chicago (I lived > in the nearby burbs > > then), and went to the Illinois State Bldg where > the Illinois State > > Dept of Human Rights office is. I filed a > complaint, it was then > > investigated, put on a 3 yr waiting list. Then my > case came up in > > December 1995. In the end I won-he was proven > wrong by the Board and > > he had to pay me some money. My attorney and the > Judge at Human > > Rights told him he needs to fix his poor attitude, > since he made a > > scene at the mediation. > > I am sure not all of us go through cases as severe > as this, but it > > happens. And it is not because we go around > looking for it, we get it > > anyways. But, there have been jobs I have acquired > where the manager/ > > veterinarian has hired me on the spot. So it > depends on the person > > who interviews us. > > > > Dawn > > > > McClintock wrote: > > > This brings me to discrimination in the > workplace > > > against LPs. > > > > > > Perhaps I am a " freak " in this group. I have > never > > > once been discriminated against in employment > because > > > of my size. Not once. My father has never been > > > discriminated against in employment because of > his > > > size. One time - pre ADA - in high school my > brother > > > applied for a job at a car wash and was hired, > only to > > > be let go because the liability insurance > carrier > > > would not cover him because he was an LP, > however, the > > > employer wanted him still. > > > > > > So, maybe I have this rose colored version of > the > > > world. I lived in Missouri for a long time, so, > > > please people, show me. Call this the > unscientific > > > Poll. I'd like to have more than vague > > > references, or " I knew a guy " stories. If you > have > > > been discriminated against in the workplace > because > > > of your size, I'd like to hear your story. For > those > > > of you who have experienced anti-LP > discrimination, > > > have you fought it legally - why or why not. > > > > > > For the purposes of this information, I am sure > there > > > are those of you who have experienced " hostile > work > > > environment " episodes, however, I would like to > focus > > > on true discrimination (hiring, promotional, > training, > > > wage, etc.). > > > > > > If my perceptions are wrong, only those of you > who > > > have been there can educate me. > > > > > > Thanks- > > > > > > McClintock > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 Oops my bad. I thought you were in your 20s! I must have gotten you mixed up with another ! K McClintock wrote: > - > > You are my new best friend!! (Actually, I turned 37 > last week)... > > Feeling younger by the moment- > > > --- <lswans@...> wrote: > > Not to speak for but I know she is around my > > age (early 20's) and it's different for us because > > we're younger. In my experience the discrimination > > that happens nowadays > > probably isn't as blatant as it used to be. A lot of > > people know to be politcally correct to avoid a > > lawsuit. > > > > I am sorry you had to go through that Dawn. That guy > > sounded like a nut case anyway. I feel would be wary > > of taking my cat to a guy like him. > > > > petlvr40 wrote: > > > > > , if you were never discriminated against, > > you are one of the > > > lucky ones. Or if you were, you may not have > > realized it, or denied > > > it ever happened?? > > > In my 24 yrs of working, I am being realistic-I > > have been > > > discriminated against in some jobs I have applied > > for, not because I > > > looked for it, but it happened. Both my parents > > who were both LP went > > > through this also. One time in May 1993 I had > > applied for an animal > > > hospital job which I was well qualified for and > > the > > > veterinarian/owner of the practice told me flat > > out, " Why would I > > > hire someone like you? You'd be a hinderance to my > > clinic! " After a > > > few more words with him back and forth trying to > > let him know I can > > > handle this job and have done it before, he boldly > > yelled, " I don't > > > give a s*** if you have experience! " > > > The next day I drove to downtown Chicago (I lived > > in the nearby burbs > > > then), and went to the Illinois State Bldg where > > the Illinois State > > > Dept of Human Rights office is. I filed a > > complaint, it was then > > > investigated, put on a 3 yr waiting list. Then my > > case came up in > > > December 1995. In the end I won-he was proven > > wrong by the Board and > > > he had to pay me some money. My attorney and the > > Judge at Human > > > Rights told him he needs to fix his poor attitude, > > since he made a > > > scene at the mediation. > > > I am sure not all of us go through cases as severe > > as this, but it > > > happens. And it is not because we go around > > looking for it, we get it > > > anyways. But, there have been jobs I have acquired > > where the manager/ > > > veterinarian has hired me on the spot. So it > > depends on the person > > > who interviews us. > > > > > > Dawn > > > > > > McClintock wrote: > > > > This brings me to discrimination in the > > workplace > > > > against LPs. > > > > > > > > Perhaps I am a " freak " in this group. I have > > never > > > > once been discriminated against in employment > > because > > > > of my size. Not once. My father has never been > > > > discriminated against in employment because of > > his > > > > size. One time - pre ADA - in high school my > > brother > > > > applied for a job at a car wash and was hired, > > only to > > > > be let go because the liability insurance > > carrier > > > > would not cover him because he was an LP, > > however, the > > > > employer wanted him still. > > > > > > > > So, maybe I have this rose colored version of > > the > > > > world. I lived in Missouri for a long time, so, > > > > please people, show me. Call this the > > unscientific > > > > Poll. I'd like to have more than vague > > > > references, or " I knew a guy " stories. If you > > have > > > > been discriminated against in the workplace > > because > > > > of your size, I'd like to hear your story. For > > those > > > > of you who have experienced anti-LP > > discrimination, > > > > have you fought it legally - why or why not. > > > > > > > > For the purposes of this information, I am sure > > there > > > > are those of you who have experienced " hostile > > work > > > > environment " episodes, however, I would like to > > focus > > > > on true discrimination (hiring, promotional, > > training, > > > > wage, etc.). > > > > > > > > If my perceptions are wrong, only those of you > > who > > > > have been there can educate me. > > > > > > > > Thanks- > > > > > > > > McClintock > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 > For the purposes of this information, I am sure there > are those of you who have experienced " hostile work > environment " episodes, however, I would like to focus > on true discrimination (hiring, promotional, training, > wage, etc.). When Jarrod was just under one-year old I was working for the State of Nevada, State Industrial Insurance System as a Medical Transcriptionist II. One day my supervisor's Supervisor came in to give me my evaluation. The evaluation was wonderful; She said that I was accurate and learn-ed in my terminology...However I could not be promoted because my son was " medically challenged " . My time away from work because of his " condition " would interfere in my future with this department, and without the promotion they saw no need to continue my employment. The next morning I went to the personnel office and reported this along with a copy of my evaluations of the past two years with the State of Nevada in various departments. I was given the promotion and continued at a higher rate of pay thereafter. My supervisor's Supervisor however, was not able to keep her position and ended up leaving the state altogether. Ultimately, though, they disolved our department altogether and eliminated all 13 of us. It took less than 6 months for that to happen after the promotion. Interesting but I doubt it had anything to really do with the prior events. (hmmm) :-) Just sharing, Willow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Very, very well said Take care and God Bless, Joy --- david shipp <shippd@...> wrote: > Although there is still a lot of needless and > hateful discrimination against blacks, Hispanics, > Jews, and women, I feel that the three most > discriminated against groups in contemporary America > are children, fat people, and disabled people. > > Although the ADA has been a milestone in the fight > for rights for the disabled, most places in America > still remain unaccessible for the handicapped. > There are even fewer accomodations for heavy people. > And children are the most discriminated against of > all. > > Not only are children the innocent victims of > neglect and abuse, you can say just about anything > you want about them freely. A few years ago while > working on my Masters in English, my professor in a > Milton class said that " Children should be delegated > to the far corners of hell and left there. " (this > was during a discussion on " Paradise Lost " ). I > complained loudly to the other faculty, department > head, and school paper. He apologized. He had a > good sense of humor (which is important in teaching) > but his joke about children didn't strike me as > funny. Had he said the same joke about women, > blacks, Hispanics, Jews, or people's sexual > orientation he probably would have been forced from > his job. > > Of course the day when discrimination against > everyone finally comes to an end will be the day > when all of us are gone. In the meantime, we can do > our best to practice love, tolerance, acceptance, > and understanding. We really need to feel what it > is like to be somebody else. > > > Dad to , Kristi, (all three Ds) and > (Cri du chat syndrome) > Husband to C. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 There is also discrimination against southerners. I don't know how many people have been called dumb southerners because of our accent. It is assumed we are not very bright. I have spoken to Army wives who have been threatened with job loss if they didn't lose the " stupid accent. " I don't speak in chat rooms because I hear all the abuse my fellow southerners take. The only reason this is still acceptable is that many southerners are either homebodies and never leave the south or many are ashamed of it and lose it quickly. Many men in the Army are the latter. I do see the abuse with regard to overweight people too. I have seen someone actually tell a woman that she shouldn't eat her dessert (a perfect stranger). Rude beyond belief. continues to be discriminated against but mainly only by educators. The general public is much more accepting IMHO. Elaine Discrimination > Although there is still a lot of needless and hateful discrimination against blacks, Hispanics, Jews, and women, I feel that the three most discriminated against groups in contemporary America are children, fat people, and disabled people. > > Although the ADA has been a milestone in the fight for rights for the disabled, most places in America still remain unaccessible for the handicapped. There are even fewer accomodations for heavy people. And children are the most discriminated against of all. > > Not only are children the innocent victims of neglect and abuse, you can say just about anything you want about them freely. A few years ago while working on my Masters in English, my professor in a Milton class said that " Children should be delegated to the far corners of hell and left there. " (this was during a discussion on " Paradise Lost " ). I complained loudly to the other faculty, department head, and school paper. He apologized. He had a good sense of humor (which is important in teaching) but his joke about children didn't strike me as funny. Had he said the same joke about women, blacks, Hispanics, Jews, or people's sexual orientation he probably would have been forced from his job. > > Of course the day when discrimination against everyone finally comes to an end will be the day when all of us are gone. In the meantime, we can do our best to practice love, tolerance, acceptance, and understanding. We really need to feel what it is like to be somebody else. > > > Dad to , Kristi, (all three Ds) and (Cri du chat syndrome) > Husband to C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 In a message dated 6/19/2002 5:21:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: > From: " Tubafour " <Tubafour@...> > Subject: Re: Discrimination > There is also discrimination against southerners. I don't know how many > people have been called dumb southerners because of our accent. It is > assumed we are not very bright ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Elaine, and who gets discrimated worst of all???? MILITARY! America may be on the band wagon now we are at war, but they will soon forget. Like you I had a nice Southern drawl but quickly learned that to have the accent and be military were a lethal combination. I managed to make myself lose it for the most part.......alright out there, I have!!! I can't get over people to this day commenting on my Southern accent!!! Of course it was this lovely list of DS parents who named me AmieBelle saying my Southern came through in my writing!!! LOL! Rejoice! Amie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 I love southern accents. I have some very dear female friends, that are hilarious and intelligent, that have that sweet accent. Christie *Momi* of Sara 9, Sabaa 6, Alia 5, Hana 3 mos (DS/AV Canal Defect scheduled to be repaired July 31st) and Lily the cat!!! On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:33:40 EDT AmieBell@... writes: >I can't get over people to this day commenting on my Southern accent!!! Of course it > was this lovely list of DS parents who named me AmieBelle saying my Southern > came through in my writing!!! LOL! > > Rejoice! > Amie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 on 6/20/02 8:41 AM, FlowerMommi@... at FlowerMommi@... wrote: > > I love southern accents. I have some very dear female friends, that are > hilarious and intelligent, that have that sweet accent. > Christie > *Momi* of Sara 9, Sabaa 6, Alia 5, Hana 3 mos (DS/AV Canal Defect > scheduled to be repaired July 31st) and Lily the cat!!! > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:33:40 EDT AmieBell@... writes: >> I can't get over people to this day commenting on my Southern accent!!! > Of course it >> was this lovely list of DS parents who named me AmieBelle saying my > Southern >> came through in my writing!!! LOL! >> >> Rejoice! >> Amie > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for > messages to go to the sender of the message. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 I can't get over people to this day commenting on my Southern accent!!! Of course it was this lovely list of DS parents who named me AmieBelle saying my Southern came through in my writing!!! LOL! Rejoice! Amie And we love you Amie, accent and all! When we travel south, Katey and I will talk with a southern (not WV) accent in resturants, etc. We have a blast doing it and fit right in with the locals. Accents are unique..here in VA I have picked up on at least 3 types. One for the Piedmont region, one for the Richmond area and one from the Shenandoah region. Add that to many different spanish, European, middle easterners and all the transplanted USers and we (the region) are quite a diverse group. Even in WV there are different accents. I do like the southern hospitality that you don't find in other parts of the US. I know Minnesota is a very hospitable state as well and they have a unique accent as well! , native hillbilly and proud of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 In a message dated 6/19/2002 1:25:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tubafour@... writes: << There is also discrimination against southerners. >> Don't forget us Yankees! I was travelling on business to Omaha Nebraska. The CFO of a very large corporation said to me while we were socializing, " You can't be from New York. You speak like an American. " Since he was the client, I laughed and thanked him for his observation. Kathy, Liam's mom(4) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 In a message dated 6/21/02 10:39:53 AM Central Daylight Time, Mom2lfm@... writes: > Don't forget us Yankees! I was travelling on business to Omaha Nebraska. > The CFO of a very large corporation said to me while we were socializing, > " You can't be from New York. You speak like an American. " Since he was > the > client, I laughed and thanked him for his observation. > > Kathy, Liam's mom(4) > > When my husband first came to this country he was sitting on a bus next to a woman who asked him where he was from and how long he'd been here. When he told her he was from England and had been here for 2 weeks, she said, " My, you speak good English for having only been here 2 weeks. " That was in Virginia but could have happened anywhere. Jessie, Mom to , 37 and the light of my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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