Opinions Please

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> I am offering to organise a group buy for Australian Sandalwood direct from

> an Australian producer and will be announcing further details on thursday,

> as requested by the moderators.

>

Ambrosia

http://www.perfumebynature.com.au

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I have tried many EO providers and I find Ne Directions excellent. It had

good prices, very good selection and very good service. Highly recommended!

Eden Botanicals has very good quality and selection, sort of high in it's

prices...

Hope this helps...

I agree! This is one of my main suppliers. They don't always have everything

I'm looking for though, which takes me other places. Eden Botanical was the

company I almost ordered from yesterday but I ended up not ordering from

them. I need a better price than they offer on some things. I was

corresponding with a gentleman in India yesterday who operates the site at

http://www.roseoil.in/index.asp in regard to shipping time to see how long

it might take to receive product from him but he does not carry Sandalwood,

which is one of the main products I was looking for. The Sandalwood

situation is very depressing as I love, love, love Sandalwood.

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Ambroisa wrote:

* I am offering to organise a group buy for Australian Sandalwood

direct from

> an Australian producer and will be announcing further details on thursday,

> as requested by the moderators.

Unfortunately, Australian doesn't smell anything like the Mysore. Have you

tried Sandalwood from the South Pacific by any chance? I see this as one of

the options on Eden Botanicals

(http://www.edenbotanicals.com/essentials9.html#sandalwood_vanuatu) but I

didn't place an order with them so I wasn't able to order a sample of it.

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The nice thing about Sandalwood, at least the Indian stuff, is that it

gets *better* as it ages....I haven't had Aussie Sandlewood long enough

to know if that applies to it, also, but suspect that's the case, too....

I've got some Indian going on 2 decades....differin g sources....

So...I would say, it's hard to buy too much of the stuff.....�

I find it hard to believe that Liberty offers all of their sandalwood products

at the same price?� That is not how the essential oil industry works!� Just

be careful that you are not buying a sandalwood replacement, it happens all of

the time and many are hard pressed to tell the difference.

The sandalwood oil Mysore from India is without exception one of the best

countries of origin for this product.� I also just love their " Sandalwood

Premium Australia, " just goes to show that you can market most anything!This

from a company that markets LAVENDER PURE 40/42% FRANCE

, this is seriously funny!� Lavender 40/42 is never pure!

Be well,

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> Unfortunately, Australian doesn't smell anything like the Mysore.

My nose cannot detect much difference at all. But then I'm a rank

beginner.

Adam Gottschalk

http://erosaromatics.com

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Adam wrote:

My nose cannot detect much difference at all. But then I'm a rank beginner.

You can be a beginner and still have a " nose " . The nose always knows! :-)

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wrote:

The nice thing about Sandalwood, at least the Indian stuff, is that it

gets *better* as it ages....I haven't had Aussie Sandlewood long enough

to know if that applies to it, also, but suspect that's the case, too....

I've got some Indian going on 2 decades....differin g sources....

So...I would say, it's hard to buy too much of the stuff.....�

I find it hard to believe that Liberty offers all of their sandalwood

products at the same price?� That is not how the essential oil industry

works!� Just be careful that you are not buying a sandalwood replacement,

it happens all of the time and many are hard pressed to tell the difference.

The sandalwood oil Mysore from India is without exception one of the best

countries of origin for this product.� I also just love their " Sandalwood

Premium Australia, " just goes to show that you can market most anything!This

from a company that markets LAVENDER PURE 40/42% FRANCE

, this is seriously funny!� Lavender 40/42 is never pure!

I bought from Liberty many years ago and know that they are reputable as

business people. As for the quality of their oils compared to some others;

this depends on so many things. I would prefer to get my oils from whoever

they get them from! Of course, you never know what you’re buying online

until you have it in your hand. As for replacements; finding a reputable

source is #1. The quantities required to purchase from some of these

companies is what will probably be the sticking point. What was meant by

pure 40/42 could mean unadulterated with synthetics and/or diluted with

carrier oils or whatever. Liberty has been around forever and is probably

the source for some of the smaller suppliers. :-)

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Markel wrote:

> The nice thing about Sandalwood, at least the Indian stuff, is that it

> gets *better* as it ages....I haven't had Aussie Sandlewood long enough

> to know if that applies to it, also, but suspect that's the case, too....

> I've got some Indian going on 2 decades....differin g sources....

>

>

> So...I would say, it's hard to buy too much of the stuff.....�

> I find it hard to believe that Liberty offers all of their sandalwood products

at the same price?� That is not how the essential oil industry works!� Just

be careful that you are not buying a sandalwood replacement, it happens all of

the time and many are hard pressed to tell the difference.

That's funny...I found all of their sandlwood prices different....Must

have checked at different times. Looked at them today, still different....

Sample prices are sometimes the same...

>

> The sandalwood oil Mysore from India is without exception one of the best

countries of origin for this product.� I also just love their " Sandalwood

Premium Australia, " just goes to show that you can market most anything!This

from a company that markets LAVENDER PURE 40/42% FRANCE

> , this is seriously funny!� Lavender 40/42 is never pure!

It been adjusted, as it has to be, for the prescription standards in

Europe...primarily France.....That's probably the only time one would be

using lav 40/42....Or reason to offer it. The adjustment could me made

using EO solely....I can't say that's the case, however....

I will say that I've found Indian Sandlewood from other sources to be

nicer than Liberty's....and priced accordingly....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

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W. Bourbonais wrote:

It been adjusted, as it has to be, for the prescription standards in

Europe...primarily France.....That's probably the only time one would be

using lav 40/42....Or reason to offer it. The adjustment could me made

using EO solely....I can't say that's the case, however....

I will say that I've found Indian Sandlewood from other sources to be

nicer than Liberty's....and priced accordingly....

,

Why DO people use the 40/42 and for WHAT? Also, who in your opinion has the

best Mysore Sandalwood for the price?

Sona

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Sonsa Rae wrote:

> W. Bourbonais wrote:

>

> It been adjusted, as it has to be, for the prescription standards in

> Europe...primarily France.....That's probably the only time one would be

> using lav 40/42....Or reason to offer it. The adjustment could me made

> using EO solely....I can't say that's the case, however....

>

> I will say that I've found Indian Sandlewood from other sources to be

> nicer than Liberty's....and priced accordingly....

>

> ,

>

> Why DO people use the 40/42 and for WHAT? Also, who in your opinion has the

> best Mysore Sandalwood for the price?

>

It's standardized lavender, used for (sometimes) internal medicine,

primarily in France...You can acheive this by adding linalool, or

blending different lavenders...At least that's where the 40/42 came

from....I forget what the other component is...You would also, of

course, have a very consistent scent.....

Who has the best Mysore Sandalwood for the price...?

No easy answer on that one, I'm afraid...And it's something that can

change from production lot to production lot....year to year...

Sometimes it involves being at the right place and time on a co-op buy....

My experience has been to generally stick with a vendor you know, and

you'll be OK....

And then you'll run into another, that'll knock yer socks off...And the

damn stuff will be out when ya try to rebuy......

If ya get bit with the Sandlewood bug, you *will* run across some where

price isn't an issue....<G>.....

The nice thing about Mysore sandlewood, is that it gets better with

age...So ya don't have to worry about getting too much.....Even the not

as nice ones improve....

For the record patchouli and vetiver are oils that do this also....but

these two don't have the universal acceptance that Sandlewood has...

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

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It is always good to try and sample before buying as quality can be so

variable. 

Janita

Janita Haan Perfumes natural perfumes custom perfumes

http://www.janitaha <http://www.janitahaan.com> an.com

You're right about that! I did order from this company YEARS ago but it's

been awhile. who do you usually order from? I definitely want the best

Firstly look to the Guilds and Groups files and lists of  merchants.  Anya keeps

a well ordered ship when it  comes to quality and you really can't go wrong with

these folks... 

 

HTH

 

all good wishes

Janita

[Guest guest]

It is always good to try and sample before buying as quality can be so

variable. 

Janita

Janita Haan Perfumes natural perfumes custom perfumes

http://www.janitaha <http://www.janitahaan.com> an.com

You're right about that! I did order from this company YEARS ago but it's

been awhile. who do you usually order from? I definitely want the best

Firstly look to the Guilds and Groups files and lists of  merchants.  Anya keeps

a well ordered ship when it  comes to quality and you really can't go wrong with

these folks... 

 

HTH

 

all good wishes

Janita

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Janita wrote:

Firstly look to the Guilds and Groups files and lists of merchants. Anya

keeps a well ordered ship when it comes to quality and you really can't go

wrong with these folks...

Janita,

I didn't know that there's a list of merchants in the site. I'll definitely

check it out. Thanks!

Sonsa

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,

I'm definitely a huge Patchouli fan as well! But Sandalwood I L-O-V-E. :-)

You're right about the sources though - those have come and gone many times

over the years. I've been buying EO's since the late '70's. Have definitely

seen the price go up on some of them like crazy. Vanilla cost more than

Gold, per ounce, a few years back.

Sonsa

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Sonsa,

this Indian company may be cheap, but you will not get anything but fake

from them - you might check this thread here:

http://community.basenotes.net/showthread.php?t=219146

<http://community.basenotes.net/showthread.php?t=219146>

Going for " better " prices doesn't work if you want pure raw materials

that won't land in the dust bin. Eden Botanicals is pretty reasonably

priced considering that they sell the real deal.

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Annette wrote:

Sonsa,

this Indian company may be cheap, but you will not get anything but fake

from them - you might check this thread here:

http://community. <http://community.basenotes.net/showthread.php?t=219146>

basenotes.net/showthread.php?t=219146

Thank you! I had a bad feeling about it but I do know that there are sources

for oils in India that sell for far less than what I would pay here in the

States, so I wasn't sure.

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annetteneuffer wrote:

> Going for " better " prices doesn't work if you want pure raw materials

> that won't land in the dust bin. Eden Botanicals is pretty reasonably

> priced considering that they sell the real deal.

>

Hi Folks....

Somwbody else mentioned it....

Butch Owens Anatolian Treasures Sandalwood is pretty dang nice......

Sandalwood mysore tends to be like Rose Otto.....One doesn't come across

it cheap....As a general rule the quality is allied to the price.....

The Austalian Sandlewood is a newer product.....I suspect it's gonna get

better with time.....I'm looking forward to that....As a general rule I

have respect for the folks from Oz......

G'day....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

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Unfortunately, Australian doesn't smell anything like the Mysore. Have you

tried Sandalwood from the South Pacific by any chance? I see this as one of

the options on Eden Botanicals

(http://www.edenbota nicals.com/ essentials9. html#sandalwood_ vanuatu) but I

didn't place an order with them so I wasn't able to order a sample of it.

 

I'm finally going to pipe up about sandalwood, especially since it might be my

favorite essence(which is saying something from someone who loves natural

essences in general). 

  I have Eden's Vanuatu sandalwood and I love it.   I did at one time order the

Australian from them as well.  My assesment of the odors of  the three different

sandalwoods(Mysore/Santalum Album, Vanuatu, and Australian) is that Australian

is sharper, drier, woodier and a bit spicier than the Mysore, which, from what I

remember of Mysore sandalwood(I've haven't had any for a while), is that it is

softer and more powdery.  The Vanuatu, to my nose, smells somewhat like a

combination of the two, maybe leaning more on the Australian side.   It does

soften after a time on the skin.   It may be my imagination, but I don't think

it lasts as long as I remember the Mysore doing.  

 I'm quite fond of all of the different sandalwoods for their varied aromas, but

I do love woody scents in general.   All of them might have  their uses in

blends depening on what effects you want.   If you want a soft, powdery, woody

basenote, Mysore would be the way to go.  If you wanted to really up the dry,

woody factor(perhaps using frankincense, vetiver, and amyris along with it) 

Australian would be a good choice.  Vanuatu might create either effect,

depending on what it is blended with.

Everyone else on this thread gave perfect advice-sample, sample, sample!   Get

samples from all of the sources that you are interested in, find the ones that

you like and also compare the different ones.  I'm a sample junky, I order a

bunch everytime I place an order with a vendor.  I've upped my essence

experience plenty from doing that.

 Good luck and enjoy the discovery.

[Guest guest]

Thank you everyone for all your helpful thoughts! I've ordered several samples

from Eden Botanicals and will probably order samples from elsewhere so I can

compare too. I don't want Mysore Sandalwood simply because I haven't smelled it

yet and I don't want to get hooked on something that is both indangered and

expensive. I have heard of Sandalwood referred to as " the little black dress " of

natural perfumery - everyone has to have it. haha. Besides that I love woody

smells anyway.

Again, thank you all for your input on this!

~Amy

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Hmmm, strange. Could be anything.

Any films? Has he ever injured the area? His bed decent?Any other symptoms? Meds?

ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800

Opinions please

I have a 32 y/o male who awakes with mid back pain every night about 2 AM. The pain lasts for an hour or so and resolves so he can go back to sleep. Could this be a visceral problem referring pain to MB? What is the viscera doing up so late at night? lol CMT has not resolved the issue. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance for your collective ideas.

Larry L. Oliver, DC

408 NW 7th

Corvallis, OR 97330

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Larry:

Be sure to have them check his gallbladder. Often wakes a person up at 1

or 2 in the a.m. after a fatty meal.

Lyndon McGill, D.C.

Salem, Oregon

Larry Oliver, DC wrote:

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> I have a 32 y/o male who awakes with mid back pain every night about 2

> AM. The pain lasts for an hour or so and resolves so he can go back

> to sleep. Could this be a visceral problem referring pain to MB?

> What is the viscera doing up so late at night? lol CMT has not

> resolved the issue. Thoughts?

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> Thanks in advance for your collective ideas.

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> Larry L. Oliver, DC

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> 408 NW 7th

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> Corvallis, OR 97330

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Check liver meridian and liver itself, this shows up at times between 1-3 AMWiese DC.From: Larry Oliver, DC <dro@...>Subject: Opinions please"ChiroListServe" < >Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 12:48 PM

I have a 32 y/o male who

awakes with mid back pain every night about 2 AM. The pain lasts for an hour or so and resolves so he can go

back to sleep. Could this be a

visceral problem referring pain to MB?

What is the viscera doing up so late at night? lol CMT has not

resolved the issue. Thoughts? Thanks in advance for

your collective ideas. Larry L. Oliver, DC 408 NW 7th Corvallis, OR 97330 dro@... voice 541-757-9933 fax 541-757-7713 The information contained in this

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Check liver meridian and liver itself, this shows up at times between 1-3 AMWiese DC.From: Larry Oliver, DC <dro@...>Subject: Opinions please"ChiroListServe" < >Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 12:48 PM

I have a 32 y/o male who

awakes with mid back pain every night about 2 AM. The pain lasts for an hour or so and resolves so he can go

back to sleep. Could this be a

visceral problem referring pain to MB?

What is the viscera doing up so late at night? lol CMT has not

resolved the issue. Thoughts? Thanks in advance for

your collective ideas. Larry L. Oliver, DC 408 NW 7th Corvallis, OR 97330 dro@... voice 541-757-9933 fax 541-757-7713 The information contained in this

electronic message may contain protected health information which is

confidential under applicable law and is intended only for the use of the

individual or entity named above.

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Chiropractic & Associates, 408 NW 7th St, Corvallis, OR 97330, 541-757-9933 and purge the

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I'm with Lyndon. If it is visceral the gall bladder is likely. Next is liver.AnnetteOn Sep 2, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Lyndon McGill wrote:Larry:Be sure to have them check his gallbladder. Often wakes a person up at 1 or 2 in the a.m. after a fatty meal.Lyndon McGill, D.C.Salem, OregonLarry Oliver, DC wrote:> >> I have a 32 y/o male who awakes with mid back pain every night about 2 > AM. The pain lasts for an hour or so and resolves so he can go back > to sleep. Could this be a visceral problem referring pain to MB? > What is the viscera doing up so late at night? lol CMT has not > resolved the issue. Thoughts?>> >> Thanks in advance for your collective ideas.>> >> Larry L. Oliver, DC>> 408 NW 7th>> Corvallis, OR 97330>> droheresco >> voice 541-757-9933>> fax 541-757-7713>> >> >> The information contained in this electronic message may contain > protected health information which is confidential under applicable > law and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above. If the recipient of the message is not the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or disclosure > of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received > the communication in error, please notify Heresco Chiropractic & > Associates, 408 NW 7th St, Corvallis, OR 97330, 541-757-9933 and > purge the communication immediately without making any copy or > distribution>> >

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I'm with Lyndon. If it is visceral the gall bladder is likely. Next is liver.AnnetteOn Sep 2, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Lyndon McGill wrote:Larry:Be sure to have them check his gallbladder. Often wakes a person up at 1 or 2 in the a.m. after a fatty meal.Lyndon McGill, D.C.Salem, OregonLarry Oliver, DC wrote:> >> I have a 32 y/o male who awakes with mid back pain every night about 2 > AM. The pain lasts for an hour or so and resolves so he can go back > to sleep. Could this be a visceral problem referring pain to MB? > What is the viscera doing up so late at night? lol CMT has not > resolved the issue. Thoughts?>> >> Thanks in advance for your collective ideas.>> >> Larry L. Oliver, DC>> 408 NW 7th>> Corvallis, OR 97330>> droheresco >> voice 541-757-9933>> fax 541-757-7713>> >> >> The information contained in this electronic message may contain > protected health information which is confidential under applicable > law and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above. If the recipient of the message is not the intended recipient, > you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or disclosure > of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received > the communication in error, please notify Heresco Chiropractic & > Associates, 408 NW 7th St, Corvallis, OR 97330, 541-757-9933 and > purge the communication immediately without making any copy or > distribution>> >