Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I TOTALLY agree with on this! I say RUN fast away from this dr! Liz -- > I agree. Bad idea. To old and too sick. i think back surgery is a > huge step for someone that age. Be wary of some docs, they want their > money. cindy-- In neck pain , tomhfsu@... > wrote: > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot really > say?? > > Tom > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > tereniabender@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I have > ddd > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my lower > back. > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon said he > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > story. > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a man > who > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, replaced > knee > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An orthopede > now > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > procedure. " > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's not > in > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > a " simple > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Teri > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I TOTALLY agree with on this! I say RUN fast away from this dr! Liz -- > I agree. Bad idea. To old and too sick. i think back surgery is a > huge step for someone that age. Be wary of some docs, they want their > money. cindy-- In neck pain , tomhfsu@... > wrote: > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot really > say?? > > Tom > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > tereniabender@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I have > ddd > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my lower > back. > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon said he > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > story. > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a man > who > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, replaced > knee > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An orthopede > now > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > procedure. " > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's not > in > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > a " simple > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Teri > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I TOTALLY agree with on this! I say RUN fast away from this dr! Liz -- > I agree. Bad idea. To old and too sick. i think back surgery is a > huge step for someone that age. Be wary of some docs, they want their > money. cindy-- In neck pain , tomhfsu@... > wrote: > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot really > say?? > > Tom > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > tereniabender@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I have > ddd > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my lower > back. > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon said he > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > story. > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a man > who > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, replaced > knee > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An orthopede > now > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > procedure. " > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's not > in > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > a " simple > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Teri > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I TOTALLY agree with on this! I say RUN fast away from this dr! Liz -- > I agree. Bad idea. To old and too sick. i think back surgery is a > huge step for someone that age. Be wary of some docs, they want their > money. cindy-- In neck pain , tomhfsu@... > wrote: > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot really > say?? > > Tom > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > tereniabender@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I have > ddd > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my lower > back. > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon said he > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > story. > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a man > who > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, replaced > knee > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An orthopede > now > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > procedure. " > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's not > in > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > a " simple > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Teri > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Dont you think that a person that age couldnt withstand this operation. I never had fusion, but gosh. From what i have read its no picknick. > > > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot really > > say?? > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > tereniabender@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I have > > ddd > > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my lower > > back. > > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon said he > > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > > story. > > > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a man > > who > > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, replaced > > knee > > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An orthopede > > now > > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > > procedure. " > > > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's not > > in > > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > > a " simple > > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Teri > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Dont you think that a person that age couldnt withstand this operation. I never had fusion, but gosh. From what i have read its no picknick. > > > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot really > > say?? > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > tereniabender@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I have > > ddd > > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my lower > > back. > > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon said he > > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > > story. > > > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a man > > who > > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, replaced > > knee > > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An orthopede > > now > > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > > procedure. " > > > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's not > > in > > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > > a " simple > > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Teri > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Dont you think that a person that age couldnt withstand this operation. I never had fusion, but gosh. From what i have read its no picknick. > > > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot really > > say?? > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > tereniabender@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I have > > ddd > > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my lower > > back. > > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon said he > > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > > story. > > > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a man > > who > > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, replaced > > knee > > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An orthopede > > now > > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > > procedure. " > > > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's not > > in > > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > > a " simple > > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Teri > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Dont you think that a person that age couldnt withstand this operation. I never had fusion, but gosh. From what i have read its no picknick. > > > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot really > > say?? > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > tereniabender@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I have > > ddd > > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my lower > > back. > > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon said he > > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > > story. > > > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a man > > who > > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, replaced > > knee > > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An orthopede > > now > > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > > procedure. " > > > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's not > > in > > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > > a " simple > > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Teri > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Thanks for the input everyone. I just wanted a few opinions - didn't know if I was thinking realistically or just have become very cynical and cautious when it comes to doctors since I've dealt with them for so long. But that was my gut reaction - this is not a good thing at all. But from what I understand, they are still going through with it as long as the cardio doc clears him. I don't see a good outcome on this. Thanks all - Teri Re: opinions please Dont you think that a person that age couldnt withstand this operation. I never had fusion, but gosh. From what i have read its no picknick. > > > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot really > > say?? > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > tereniabender@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I have > > ddd > > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my lower > > back. > > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon said he > > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > > story. > > > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a man > > who > > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, replaced > > knee > > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An orthopede > > now > > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > > procedure. " > > > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's not > > in > > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > > a " simple > > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Teri > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Thanks for the input everyone. I just wanted a few opinions - didn't know if I was thinking realistically or just have become very cynical and cautious when it comes to doctors since I've dealt with them for so long. But that was my gut reaction - this is not a good thing at all. But from what I understand, they are still going through with it as long as the cardio doc clears him. I don't see a good outcome on this. Thanks all - Teri Re: opinions please Dont you think that a person that age couldnt withstand this operation. I never had fusion, but gosh. From what i have read its no picknick. > > > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot really > > say?? > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > tereniabender@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I have > > ddd > > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my lower > > back. > > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon said he > > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > > story. > > > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a man > > who > > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, replaced > > knee > > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An orthopede > > now > > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > > procedure. " > > > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's not > > in > > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > > a " simple > > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Teri > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Thanks for the input everyone. I just wanted a few opinions - didn't know if I was thinking realistically or just have become very cynical and cautious when it comes to doctors since I've dealt with them for so long. But that was my gut reaction - this is not a good thing at all. But from what I understand, they are still going through with it as long as the cardio doc clears him. I don't see a good outcome on this. Thanks all - Teri Re: opinions please Dont you think that a person that age couldnt withstand this operation. I never had fusion, but gosh. From what i have read its no picknick. > > > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot really > > say?? > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > tereniabender@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I have > > ddd > > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my lower > > back. > > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon said he > > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > > story. > > > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a man > > who > > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, replaced > > knee > > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An orthopede > > now > > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > > procedure. " > > > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's not > > in > > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > > a " simple > > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Teri > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Thanks for the input everyone. I just wanted a few opinions - didn't know if I was thinking realistically or just have become very cynical and cautious when it comes to doctors since I've dealt with them for so long. But that was my gut reaction - this is not a good thing at all. But from what I understand, they are still going through with it as long as the cardio doc clears him. I don't see a good outcome on this. Thanks all - Teri Re: opinions please Dont you think that a person that age couldnt withstand this operation. I never had fusion, but gosh. From what i have read its no picknick. > > > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot really > > say?? > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > tereniabender@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I have > > ddd > > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my lower > > back. > > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon said he > > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > > story. > > > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a man > > who > > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, replaced > > knee > > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An orthopede > > now > > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > > procedure. " > > > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's not > > in > > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > > a " simple > > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Teri > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I WISH YOU LUCK!!! cindy > > > > > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot > really > > > say?? > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard > Time, > > > > tereniabender@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I > have > > > ddd > > > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my > lower > > > back. > > > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon > said he > > > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > > > story. > > > > > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a > man > > > who > > > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, > replaced > > > knee > > > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An > orthopede > > > now > > > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > > > procedure. " > > > > > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's > not > > > in > > > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > > > a " simple > > > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Teri > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I WISH YOU LUCK!!! cindy > > > > > > > > On the surface it does seem like a bad idea, But I cannot > really > > > say?? > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2009 7:39:19 A.M. Mountain Standard > Time, > > > > tereniabender@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morning, I don't post very often, so a quick recap for me. I > have > > > ddd > > > > and was told I was a perfect candidate for a fusion in my > lower > > > back. > > > > I've been dealing with this for years. But the neurosurgeon > said he > > > > won't touch it because it will exacerbate my fibromyalgia. Long > > > story. > > > > > > > > However, I'm looking for opinions on another matter. I know a > man > > > who > > > > is 85 years of age. Not in real good health. Diabetes, > replaced > > > knee > > > > and quadruple heart bypass just in the last 2 years. An > orthopede > > > now > > > > wants to do a lower back fusion on him stating its a " simple > > > procedure. " > > > > > > > > I don't know if it's just me, but I would think for one, he's > not > > > in > > > > very good health to be going through that, and two, it's not > > > a " simple > > > > procedure " if you ask me and think this surgery is a bad idea. > > > > > > > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Teri > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 New Directions Aromatics (I'm placing an order with them as we speak) but I'm also going to give Eden Botanicals a try this time (have only ordered Amber from them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 New Directions Aromatics (I'm placing an order with them as we speak) but I'm also going to give Eden Botanicals a try this time (have only ordered Amber from them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Liberty Naturals has a good price on Australian sandalwood and I like the stuff just fine. I am not, however, a sandalwood aficionado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Liberty Naturals has a good price on Australian sandalwood and I like the stuff just fine. I am not, however, a sandalwood aficionado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Oh wow! I completely forgot about them. You're right - they do have amazing prices! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I got this e-mail just as I was about to place an order with another company - thanks to you, I ordered from LN instead and saved $27.19! They do have a $50 minimum order though; which is no big deal if you're ordering a bunch of stuff but might not be so good for one thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I got this e-mail just as I was about to place an order with another company - thanks to you, I ordered from LN instead and saved $27.19! They do have a $50 minimum order though; which is no big deal if you're ordering a bunch of stuff but might not be so good for one thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I got this e-mail just as I was about to place an order with another company - thanks to you, I ordered from LN instead and saved $27.19! Heya  It is always good to try and sample before buying as quality can be so variable. Great to have savings as long as when you receive your botanic you are happy with the quality.  Janita  Janita Haan Perfumes natural perfumes custom perfumes http://www.janitahaan.com  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 It is always good to try and sample before buying as quality can be so variable. Great to have savings as long as when you receive your botanic you are happy with the quality. Janita Janita Haan Perfumes natural perfumes custom perfumes http://www.janitaha <http://www.janitahaan.com> an.com You're right about that! I did order from this company YEARS ago but it's been awhile. who do you usually order from? I definitely want the best quality for the price. I did a lot of comparison shopping yesterday - I was at it all day long. I ordered from several different vendors, one of which was Liberty Naturals. I had one last order for Sandalwood, Jasmine and a few other EO's that I ended up placing with them. The amounts were not all that large (one ounce or less) so we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Adam Gottschalk wrote: > Liberty Naturals has a good price on Australian sandalwood and I like > the stuff just fine. I am not, however, a sandalwood aficionado. Hi Adam, Folks.... Liberty also has an Australian sandalwood absolute that's less expensive than the essential oil.... Bear in mind, Liberty has a $50 minimum order....You can mix and match things to reach the $50... I am a little bit of a Sandlewood junky....the Australian is ghosty, compared to the Indian varieties, but what it is, it's nice........ The nice thing about Sandalwood, at least the Indian stuff, is that it gets *better* as it ages....I haven't had Aussie Sandlewood long enough to know if that applies to it, also, but suspect that's the case, too.... I've got some Indian going on 2 decades....differing sources.... So...I would say, it's hard to buy too much of the stuff..... -- W. Bourbonais L'Hermite Aromatique A.J.P. (GIA) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I have tried many EO providers and I find Ne Directions excellent. It had good prices, very good selection and very good service. Highly recommended! Eden Botanicals has very good quality and selection, sort of high in it's prices... Hope this helps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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