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Since I can't stand , I'm on your side with this one. He's the most un

American American President I can think of.

Roni

<>Just because something

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not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Rationing

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:57 PM

The banks failed specifically because the loans they made under the

guidelines of the regulators controlling the implementation of the CRA

of 1977 were not fiscally sound.  That can be laid directly to the

Community Reconstruction Act of 1977 and the implementation that

followed and to nothing else.  Everything else in the chain of sordid

events spring directly from that.  Yet another liberal boondoggle for

which they will never take credit; or even have it pointed out by much

of the liberal press.

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>       Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>       <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing>

>       sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

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>         Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:38 pm (PST)

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> I honeslty think this country started going down hill with the progressive

> republican president Teddy Rooselvelt. BTW he was McCains presidential

> idol

> I would still have preferred McCain over Obama though, but I didn't vote

> for him in the primaries :)

> CW

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>

> Actually the seed of the present economic situation was planted,

> nourished and grown from the Community Reconstruction Act of 1977. That

> act and all of the regulation that followed from it changed the criteria

> bands used for deciding to whom to make a loan from being the ability

> and willingness to repay a mortgage to being some other irrelevant

> factor such as skin color. And it sure as h*ll wasn't Bush and the

> Republicans who pushed it through. Here's one description of it: " The

> *1977* *Community* *Reconstruction* *Act* threatened commercial lenders

> with half million dollar fines if they denied mortgages to unqualified

> applicants. "

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I want to own an 1800's era canon in working order with all necessary

ammo (charges and balls). Perhaps a couple. Any objections?

No limits, no licensing, not waiting periods, no documentation! The

government should fear it's citiznes and not know who has guns and who

doesn't. Freedom exists when the government fears the citizens.

Freedom DOES NOT EXIST when the citizens fear the government.

The right to self defense with what ever weapon of choice is a natural

right. The claim that there are certain ways I'm not allowed to defend

myself and must not defend myself is so much progressive socialists bs.

Clank, clank, where's my tank? (Government subsidized of course!)

Steve

On 1/12/2010 10:55 PM, Roni Molin wrote:

> I also feel that citizens have the right to own a gun. However, I don't see

the reason for someone to own an assault rifle or a machine gun. I also believe

that anyone who wants to own a gun should have to have it licensed, and should

have to go through a background check, and wait a week, in case it's a person

who is angry and emotional and would go buy a gun and kill someone. Nothing's

perfect and we can't make it perfect, but there are rules for owning a car, and

there should be rules that govern owning a weapon too. For example you can't buy

a tank and drive it on the highway.

>

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

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>> From: Crystal<sweetnwright@...<mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>>

>> Subject: Re: Re: Rationing

>> hypothyroidism

>> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

>> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07 PM

>>

>> I bet you wouldn't think that was smart if an intruder broke into your

>> house

>> or the home of somebody you loved and they were not able to protect

>> themselves. I watched my mother get raped and almost murdered when I

>> was 3

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I live in the Seattle area and there have recently been 6 cops killed by people

who walked up to them and shot them. There have been children kidnapped and

raped and murdered. There have been home invasions and burglaries. There have

been stolen cars, clerks held up at gun point, and all kinds of  things going on

that I don't think you have where you are.

There is plenty of rural land around here too, and the people that live on that

land have guns and raise food and are very independant. But, they, like you, are

not likely to go into town and shoot the place up. However, there have been

quite a number of shootings in families or of spouses or girlfriends or

boyfriends. There have been teenagers who walked into malls around here and just

started shooting up the place.

 

If you live in a rural, quiet area with lots of land and limited contact with

strangers you can pretty much do what you want. I think you might feel

differently if a bunch of strangers came into your area and started

indiscriminately shooting people.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>>

>> From: Crystal<sweetnwright@...<mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>>

>> Subject: Re: Re: Rationing

>> hypothyroidism

>> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

>> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07 PM

>>

>> I bet you wouldn't think that was smart if an intruder broke into your

>> house

>> or the home of somebody you loved and they were not able to protect

>> themselves.  I watched my mother get raped and almost murdered when I

>> was 3

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SO you would fire all the people willing to do the job for the wages

being paid and then require those businesses to service your interests

and pay 10 times as much to US workers and increase the prices to US

consumers by 10 times? Does it depend on where the businesses corporate

headquarters are and where it was incorporated? Or do you require the

world to only hire US workers?

I've looked at forming an internet business selling product I'm

interested in. The domain name exits and the planning for this busines

was to set it up as a one man operation and contract/subcontract all

necessary services. That way I would have NO employees to deal with and

would only have to deal with other business men/women. While people

would get employed as a result, none would work for me and I wouldn't

have to deal with all the government regulation bs. The product would

be warehoused to a company that drop ships for businesses. So, if you

bought something from me, some business would put my label on it, put my

invoice in the box, pull my product from their shelves, and drop ship it

from near UPS headquarters. No touching by me, no managing by me,

except for verifying quality packing and shipping and bitching at the

subcontractor if they ever ran out of my product on the shelves.

Customer support I've looked into and starting off I would pay on a per

call bases to certain companies in India. As I got larger I could pay

for full time employees in India from similar companies (contracts with

the company, not the people). Paying US employees to handle service

calls would eliminate most if not all of the profit from running this

business. It only works if I can control my costs and my costs are

best served by international options. In other words, I can either

provide jobs to international based employees, jobs they would love to

have, or I wont start this business at all since it will not make money.

Hiring US employees unnecessarily is not an option since the business

would not be profitable.

Anyway, I think globally, not parochially. Not only that, I'm willing

to move where ever my best interests are served which means outside the

US if needed. I have no need to try to enrich my current city to the

determent of other cities, no need to enrich my current state to the

determent of other states, and no need to enrich the US to the determent

of other countries. When I do what's best for me, the most people are

benefited. Every person is valuable regardless of citizenship.

Steve

On 1/12/2010 11:03 PM, Roni Molin wrote:

> Yes, that used to be true in the states, but that was before outsourcing took

the jobs away from our people and sent them all over the world.Those jobs should

be brought back to the United States.

>

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

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>> From: <res075oh@...<mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

>> Subject: Re: Rationing

>> hypothyroidism

>> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

>> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:09 PM

>>

>> The value of a apple doesn't change because you have a million dollars

>> or because you have one dollar. Only your ability to buy apples

>> changes. In a fair system each person should pay according to what

>> he/she consumes. Or do you subscribe to, " ...From each according to his

>> abilities; to each according to his needs... " [or similar]? If income

>> were taxed equally then the top 5% of earners would only pay about 5% of

>> taxes. They're already paying a rate 1000% above average; and 10,000%

>> [MOL] above the bottom 50%.

>>

>>

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Does that mean you're right and I'm right; or that we're both wrong? [ggg]

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:35 pm (PST)

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>

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> You're agreeing with me . Careful!

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Rationing

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:47 PM

>

> Damn*d if I can agree with the Mc's verdict AT ALL. Anyone

> foolish enough to buy a cup of hot coffee in a paper cup and hold it

> between their legs as they drive away are as far as I'm concerned

> completely responsible. A burnt @$$ is nature's way of saying, " Don't

> do that " ; and is something anyone who has attained the age of adulthood

> should already know. Going against nature and rewarding fools is IMHO

> counterproductive for everyone except the lawyers. YMMV.

>

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That's a far better example than mine...

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> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@...

> <mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing>

> dudescholar <dudescholar>

>

>

> Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:36 pm (PST)

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>

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> My house burnt down but I now want some fire insurance. I didn't need

> it before but now I do. Will you sell me some so I can get my house

> rebuilt? I mean, sorry old me needs to live somewhere. DO you have a

> problem with a law that requires home owners insurance companies to sell

> me fire insurance AFTER that house has burned down? That's called a

> pre-existing condition.

>

> Steve

>

> On 1/12/2010 5:54 PM, Roni Molin wrote:

> > That's the whole point of universal healthcare. The insurance

> companies would have to share the whole country, and would not be able

> to rip people off or deny them coverage for pre existing conditions as

> they do today.

> >

> >

> > Roni

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My analogy is accurate, but Steve's is much better and easier to

understand.

Anyway, I'm glad we're having this conversation because I've been

looking all over for the insurance companies with obscene profits. You

see, only a company with obscene profits can pay obscene dividends.

Will you please give me the name of a few that have obscene

profits/dividends; or at least one or two? I don't have much to invest

but my returns on CD's are obscene but in another direction. I'll be

glad to settle for only 50% per year; or maybe 25%; that shouldn't be

too much for a company with such obscene profits should it? Hey, how

about 10%? Or 5%?

Thanks,

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:42 pm (PST)

>

>

>

> Your analagy does not compute. No one is saying that but you. The

> insurance companies rack up obscene profits, while denying customers

> the insurance that they have paid for.

> I am in a hassle right now with the Part D insurance company I have

> which has overcharged me for three rxs of the same generic drug for

> which I was supposed to pay $5 each to the tune of $218 and change.

> They all agree I was overcharged when I speak to them on the 'phone,

> but it's been months and I talk to them at least once a week and they

> still have not given me a check for the overcharge.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Rationing

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:08 PM

>

> Insurance companies are business. If a company is to be fair [and stay

> in business] then the charge to provide a service or product needs to

> accurately reflect the cost of same.

>

> Companies that sell automobile " extended warranties " or " service

> contracts " are also businesses. Would you really expect a company to

> charge the same for a new Honda as for a 1949 Ford for a one year

> extended warranty? Suppose instead that both cars are two year old

> Hondas but one is pristine and the other looks like it's been the loser

> in a demolition derby and the engine is smoking and knocking and various

> fluids are spilling from underneath. If you were the company owner

> would you charge the same for the cream puff extended warranty as for

> the demolition derby loser?

>

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Sorry; it was KID Rock; not Rock.

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> Kid Rocks tells kids: 'Steal everything'

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> Submitted by worker on Mon, 2008-06-30 21:35.

> Tags:

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> * Anti-Capitalist Movement

> <http://anarchistnews.org/?q=taxonomy/term/7>

> * Wingnut <http://anarchistnews.org/?q=taxonomy/term/28>

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> From News.com (au)

> <http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23926048-5001021,00.html>

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> RAP-rocker Kid Rock has taken a page out of 60s activist Abbie

> Hoffman's book, telling his fans to steal - everything.

>

> Rock tells fans that they shouldn't worry about illegally downloading

> his tunes, since he's wealthy enough.

>

> Rock, whose ship briefly crossed Pam 's barge in matrimony

> last year, posted a video on YouTube urging citizens to " level the

> playing field " by stealing anything they need from greedy

> corporations, including laptops, Tommy Hilfiger duds, Toyotas ( " It's a

> foreign car company, so who cares " ), and gasoline.

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Now they say he was kidding; who knows.

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:43 pm (PST)

>

>

>

> That is not true at all. I watched the show from beginning to end and

> he did the exact opposite. He came down on kids like a ton of bricks,

> just like Bill Cosby did.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Rationing

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:11 PM

>

> IIRC Rock also advised teenagers that it's okay to steal. Yeah;

> about as smart as a sack of mud.

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Private roads are better, private schools are better, private bridges

are better, almost all communication systems are already private,

private airports are better, I fly private airplanes not government (I

don't spend a million dollars a hour on the public dime), cars are made

by private companies (until government supports the losers and wastes

money), food comes from private companies. For all those things you

think needs government, I can give you private options that can do the

job better for lower costs.

Of the DOW 30 companies that existed in the first quarter of last

century, most of them lost their position, went bankrupt, or were

consumed by more efficient enterprises. Your socialist government

thinks these companies are too big to fail when the free markets say

otherwise. Of the 30 DOW companies in 1928, on 9 are still left.

Socialism should not protect failing companies like GM and Chrysler.

Centralized government planning is always a money waster and lowers

productivity and economic wealth. The best way to get the best value

for each dollar spent is when each and every person gets to vote with

each and every one of their own dollars on what they want instead of the

government claiming to be able to better vote your dollars than you do

and taking them away.

As to me coming from Utah, you are stereotyping and assuming. I've

lived in California, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Florida, land, Virginia,

Morocco Africa, Philippians, Western Australia, Quebec Canada, and

Ontario Canada. I've experienced poverty unknown in the USA up to where

every house is answered by a butler. I don't pretend to be better able

to spend anyone else money better than they can themselves. Except that

I can spend it better for myself or people who's vote I might want to

buy. That's what government does.

Steve

On 1/12/2010 12:58 PM, Roni Molin wrote:

> Steve, good roads, good schools, good bridges, good communication, good

airports and planes, and cars and food and hospitals and education are all

basics, and require taxes. You are just not looking at the big picture. I

realize that coming from Utah it's hard to imagine the scope of what is really

necessary to the vast majority of the population, and what their situations

really are, in contrast to your own.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>>

>>

>> From: <res075oh@...>

>> Subject: Re: Rationing

>> hypothyroidism

>> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:19 PM

>>

>>

>> It is the theories of socialism that have failed. Even when the

>> government assumed and applied the " right " to murder millions of their

>> own citizens they still failed.

>>

>> Democracy will fail too, I'm afraid. When those who do not produce find

>> out they can vote themselves an ever greater share of the income of

>> those who do produce a point will be reached that those who do produce

>> will be reduced beyond that necessary to support the society. At that

>> point it will collapse. Most likely a dictator will then take over by

>> promising to take care of everyone's needs and so many will naively

>> follow that it becomes possible.

>>

>> Obamacare is just one of many steps in that direction. Free medical

>> care for everyone, and no costs involved. How could anyone be so foolish...

>>

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run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

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You just have to register for the draft when you turn 18. The draft can

be turned on at any time. Failure to register is a criminal act.

Steve

On 1/12/2010 12:04 PM, wrote:

> Steve, I don't think the draft exists anymore???

>

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>>

>> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@...

>> <mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing>

>> dudescholar<dudescholar>

>>

>>

>> Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:59 pm (PST)

>>

>>

>>

>> The republic is gone so there can be no allegiances pledged. But you do

>> get to get drafted and fight as many Vietnams as war profits require.

>>

>> Steve

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Last I heard, profit margins at health insurance companies as a group

were 3%.

Steve

On 1/13/2010 12:03 AM, wrote:

> My analogy is accurate, but Steve's is much better and easier to

> understand.

>

> Anyway, I'm glad we're having this conversation because I've been

> looking all over for the insurance companies with obscene profits. You

> see, only a company with obscene profits can pay obscene dividends.

> Will you please give me the name of a few that have obscene

> profits/dividends; or at least one or two? I don't have much to invest

> but my returns on CD's are obscene but in another direction. I'll be

> glad to settle for only 50% per year; or maybe 25%; that shouldn't be

> too much for a company with such obscene profits should it? Hey, how

> about 10%? Or 5%?

>

> Thanks,

>

> .

> .

>

>>

>> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>> <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing>

>> matchermaam<matchermaam>

>>

>>

>> Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:42 pm (PST)

>>

>>

>>

>> Your analagy does not compute. No one is saying that but you. The

>> insurance companies rack up obscene profits, while denying customers

>> the insurance that they have paid for.

>> I am in a hassle right now with the Part D insurance company I have

>> which has overcharged me for three rxs of the same generic drug for

>> which I was supposed to pay $5 each to the tune of $218 and change.

>> They all agree I was overcharged when I speak to them on the 'phone,

>> but it's been months and I talk to them at least once a week and they

>> still have not given me a check for the overcharge.

>>

>> Roni

>> <>Just because something

>> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

>> not there<>

>>

>>

>>

>> From: <res075oh@...<mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

>> Subject: Re: Rationing

>> hypothyroidism

>> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

>> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:08 PM

>>

>> Insurance companies are business. If a company is to be fair [and stay

>> in business] then the charge to provide a service or product needs to

>> accurately reflect the cost of same.

>>

>> Companies that sell automobile " extended warranties " or " service

>> contracts " are also businesses. Would you really expect a company to

>> charge the same for a new Honda as for a 1949 Ford for a one year

>> extended warranty? Suppose instead that both cars are two year old

>> Hondas but one is pristine and the other looks like it's been the loser

>> in a demolition derby and the engine is smoking and knocking and various

>> fluids are spilling from underneath. If you were the company owner

>> would you charge the same for the cream puff extended warranty as for

>> the demolition derby loser?

>>

>>

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run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

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>... you will eventually destroy the earth.

Maybe with the exception of mega atomic bombs and/or impact from an

extraterrestrial source (e.g. planet X, or comet swarm) IMO it is an arrogance

to think that man can destroy this planet; that is not to say that humans are

making it a very inhospitable place for human (and other) life. Not very

intelligent are we :)

One truth is that there are far tooooo many of us ...humans ...perhaps the

culling has already begun ...the scam H1N1 pandemic, gmos etc. etc. The current

health reform debate seems to be just another distraction to the truth of

over-population. Another distraction is the climate scam.

Trish

>

> In one of your emails you laid out a scenario whereby the people who make the

most money would be taxed to theoretical oblivion. There is also a scenario

whereby the

> people who make the least will cease to exist eventually because of illness or

death

> and there will be no one to support the 5% who make the most money. Who will

pick

> the produce, make the cars, build the roads, run the trains, lay the tracks,

pick up the

> garbage, etc. All people need to make a decent living in order to live. All

levels of society are needed for the society to continue to exist. Rome forgot

that, France forgot that. That's why those societies ceased to be big powers.

It's the same with the eco system. If you destroy large parts of the earth's

natural recources, you will eventually destroy the earth.

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At this point, who knows?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Rationing

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:47 PM

>

> Damn*d if I can agree with the Mc's verdict AT ALL.  Anyone

> foolish enough to buy a cup of hot coffee in a paper cup and hold it

> between their legs as they drive away are as far as I'm concerned

> completely responsible.  A burnt @$$ is nature's way of saying, " Don't

> do that " ; and is something anyone who has attained the age of adulthood

> should already know.  Going against nature and rewarding fools is IMHO

> counterproductive for everyone except the lawyers.  YMMV.

>

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Right this minute, since I haven't even looked, the only one I can think of,

which is not even an insurance company is Goldman Sachs that just gave out

$10Billion  in bonuses. Is that obscene enough for all of us?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Rationing

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:08 PM

>

> Insurance companies are business.  If a company is to be fair [and stay

> in business] then the charge to provide a service or product needs to

> accurately reflect the cost of same.

>

> Companies that sell automobile " extended warranties " or " service

> contracts " are also businesses.  Would you really expect a company to

> charge the same for a new Honda as for a 1949 Ford  for a one year

> extended warranty?  Suppose instead that both cars are two year old

> Hondas but one is pristine and the other looks like it's been the loser

> in a demolition derby and the engine is smoking and knocking and various

> fluids are spilling from underneath.  If you were the company owner

> would you charge the same for the cream puff extended warranty as for

> the demolition derby loser?

>

>

> .

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Well, he's an idiot. Someday one of the ones that took his advice will steal

from him.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Rationing

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:11 PM

>

> IIRC Rock also advised teenagers that it's okay to steal.  Yeah;

> about as smart as a sack of mud.

>

>

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Steve the discussion was about whether or not you benefit from the things people

in society make or do. Obviously you do, but are too stubborn to admit it.  By

the way, which highways do you know or travel on that the government has not

subsidized in some way, or an airport that hasn't gotten any government help or

an airplance coompany the government hasn't given huge contracts to, or a food

company that is not subject to the (albeit antiquated) rules of the FDA, etc. I

still think you are living in an illusion. In 2010, there are no men that are

totally independant of everything. There are things you do get becvause they are

produced in this country and subject to the laws thereof, no matter how few.

 

It's nice that you've done some travelling, I have too. So tell me, from all

your travelling, which country " does it right " ? You evidently don't think the

United States does it right, so I'm interested to know which one you think does?

Roni

<>Just because something

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not there<>

>>

>>

>> From: <res075oh@...>

>> Subject: Re: Rationing

>> hypothyroidism

>> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:19 PM

>>

>>

>> It is the theories of socialism that have failed.  Even when the

>> government assumed and applied the " right " to murder millions of their

>> own citizens they still failed.

>>

>> Democracy will fail too, I'm afraid.  When those who do not produce find

>> out they can vote themselves an ever greater share of the income of

>> those who do produce a point will be reached that those who do produce

>> will be reduced beyond that necessary to support the society.  At that

>> point it will collapse.  Most likely a dictator will then take over by

>> promising to take care of everyone's needs and so many will naively

>> follow that it becomes possible.

>>

>> Obamacare is just one of many steps in that direction.  Free medical

>> care for everyone, and no costs involved.  How could anyone be so foolish...

>>

>>

>> .

>

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That's a heck of a lot better than the banks are giving. All they're doing now

is taking in billions of dollars and disributing it to their own people instead

of giving loans. The credit card interest rates have long passed usury, and they

pay no interest. It doesn't matter any more if you do or don't have a savings

account, there's no interest being earned on it.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>>

>> From: <res075oh@...<mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

>> Subject: Re: Rationing

>> hypothyroidism

>> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

>> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:08 PM

>>

>> Insurance companies are business.  If a company is to be fair [and stay

>> in business] then the charge to provide a service or product needs to

>> accurately reflect the cost of same.

>>

>> Companies that sell automobile " extended warranties " or " service

>> contracts " are also businesses.  Would you really expect a company to

>> charge the same for a new Honda as for a 1949 Ford  for a one year

>> extended warranty?  Suppose instead that both cars are two year old

>> Hondas but one is pristine and the other looks like it's been the loser

>> in a demolition derby and the engine is smoking and knocking and various

>> fluids are spilling from underneath.  If you were the company owner

>> would you charge the same for the cream puff extended warranty as for

>> the demolition derby loser?

>>

>>

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,

Just to be clear, I didn't say I agreed with the actual Mc's

verdict, or even could have agreed with one just for damages. I just

said I can understand how a jury could have awarded for damages. The

punitive part was way beyond my comprehension.

But then, with what is being taught in schools, I am often surprised the

lights stay on.

Chuck

You wrote:

>

>

> Damn*d if I can agree with the Mc's verdict AT ALL. Anyone

> foolish enough to buy a cup of hot coffee in a paper cup and hold it

> between their legs as they drive away are as far as I'm concerned

> completely responsible. A burnt @$$ is nature's way of saying, " Don't

> do that " ; and is something anyone who has attained the age of adulthood

> should already know. Going against nature and rewarding fools is IMHO

> counterproductive for everyone except the lawyers. YMMV.

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Man can absolutely destroy this planet, in many different ways.

Roni

<>Just because something

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From: Trish <fielddot@...>

Subject: Re: Rationing

hypothyroidism

Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:56 AM

>... you will eventually destroy the earth.

Maybe with the exception of mega atomic bombs and/or impact from an

extraterrestrial source (e.g. planet X, or comet swarm) IMO it is an arrogance

to think that man can destroy this planet; that is not to say that humans are

making it a very inhospitable place for human (and other) life.  Not very

intelligent are we :) 

One truth is that there are far tooooo many of us ...humans ...perhaps the

culling has already begun ...the scam H1N1 pandemic, gmos etc. etc.  The current

health reform debate seems to be just another distraction to the truth of

over-population.  Another distraction is the climate scam.

Trish

>

> In one of your emails you laid out a scenario whereby the people who make the

most money would be taxed to theoretical oblivion. There is also a scenario

whereby the

> people who make the least will cease to exist eventually because of illness or

death

> and there will be no one to support the 5% who make the most money. Who will

pick

> the produce, make the cars, build the roads, run the trains, lay the tracks,

pick up the

> garbage, etc. All people need to make a decent living in order to live. All

levels of society are needed for the society to continue to exist. Rome forgot

that, France forgot that. That's why those societies ceased to be big powers.

It's the same with the eco system. If you destroy large parts of the earth's

natural recources, you will eventually destroy the earth.

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i am new to group you put on site about salt loading when experiencing issues.

why would u need to do this. surely salt retains water not helps you

urinate.what are usual side effects of iodoral and can it stop you peeing what

about dandelion capsules

ang

From: Roni Molin

Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:58 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: Rationing

Man can absolutely destroy this planet, in many different ways.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Trish <fielddot@...>

Subject: Re: Rationing

hypothyroidism

Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:56 AM

>... you will eventually destroy the earth.

Maybe with the exception of mega atomic bombs and/or impact from an

extraterrestrial source (e.g. planet X, or comet swarm) IMO it is an arrogance

to think that man can destroy this planet; that is not to say that humans are

making it a very inhospitable place for human (and other) life. Not very

intelligent are we :)

One truth is that there are far tooooo many of us ...humans ...perhaps the

culling has already begun ...the scam H1N1 pandemic, gmos etc. etc. The current

health reform debate seems to be just another distraction to the truth of

over-population. Another distraction is the climate scam.

Trish

>

> In one of your emails you laid out a scenario whereby the people who make the

most money would be taxed to theoretical oblivion. There is also a scenario

whereby the

> people who make the least will cease to exist eventually because of illness or

death

> and there will be no one to support the 5% who make the most money. Who will

pick

> the produce, make the cars, build the roads, run the trains, lay the tracks,

pick up the

> garbage, etc. All people need to make a decent living in order to live. All

levels of society are needed for the society to continue to exist. Rome forgot

that, France forgot that. That's why those societies ceased to be big powers.

It's the same with the eco system. If you destroy large parts of the earth's

natural recources, you will eventually destroy the earth.

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Agreed :)

-- Re: Re: Rationing

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07 PM

>

> I bet you wouldn't think that was smart if an intruder broke into your

> house

> or the home of somebody you loved and they were not able to protect

> themselves. I watched my mother get raped and almost murdered when I

> was 3

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Two points: One, to simply answer your question. Two, to give some

additional insight as to how I vote and why, which is also in answer to

your direct question.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:51 pm (PST)

>

>

>

> So your point is?

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Rationing

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:19 PM

>

> When it ultimately comes down to voting for the lessor of two evils that

> lessor is almost always going to be a Republican and hopefully

> conservative.

>

> A few years ago we had a local politician [Republican] who adopted

> positions so vastly wrong in my view that I was determined to vote for

> his democrat opponent in the next election. But I made the mistake of

> reading the positions of that [liberal] opponent and I just couldn't

> do it.

>

> At our last election again a republican candidate was so unattractive to

> me that I wanted him ousted. That time I made sure to not learn

> _anything_ about his opponent; who incidentally won. Now I believe we

> have the first openly gay county commissioner in our history.

>

>

> .

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam%40>

> > <mailto:matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam%40>?Subject=%20Re%

> 3A%20Rationing>

> > matchermaam <matchermaam

> <matchermaam>>

> >

> >

> > Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:13 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> >

> > So why do you vote for them again and again?

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Then you don't really believe in and support the second amendment. Once

you require licensing of guns then anyone who fails to license their gun

loses that second amendment right. It's exactly the same as if you

required a license to enjoy the benefits of any of the other item in the

bill of rights. Then the constitutional bill of rights would not apply

to all citizens; only those who have licensed their rights. Once you

give to the government the right to license or deny a license for any of

the bill of rights then that right no longer exists. The so-called " God

give rights " are not a gift from government to you but rather are an

inherent right and a limit upon the government that they may not take

from you; whether by a licensing requirement or any other pretense.

Cars are different; you do not have a constitutional bill of rights to

drive a car. Still you could argue that since the government is not

specifically given the right to control your driving of a car [under the

10th amendment IIRC] that it has no constitutional authority to deny you

that " right " ; but the government has long ago thrown out any pretense to

observe the 10th amendment.

Many rights otherwise applicable may of course be curtailed due to

criminal activity resulting in court orders; but that's completely

another subject. Limiting the second amendment rights of felons

presumedly falls under that idea.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:55 pm (PST)

>

>

>

> I also feel that citizens have the right to own a gun. However, I

> don't see the reason for someone to own an assault rifle or a machine

> gun. I also believe that anyone who wants to own a gun should have to

> have it licensed, and should have to go through a background check,

> and wait a week, in case it's a person who is angry and emotional and

> would go buy a gun and kill someone. Nothing's perfect and we can't

> make it perfect, but there are rules for owning a car, and there

> should be rules that govern owning a weapon too. For example you can't

> buy a tank and drive it on the highway.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Rationing

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:24 PM

>

> That was written by Crystal; not me.

>

> I personally know of a lot of people and types of people I think

> probably have about as much business with a gun as I do with a space

> shuttle. HOWEVER: Unlike my liberal opponents even when I personally

> disagree with something I still respect the constitution and the

> constitutional rights of those who I think shouldn't be allowed on the

> trigger end of any weapon. They have a second amendment right, period;

> and that settles it.

>

>

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I'm so glad we can find common ground on different issues. I think we are all

getting very anxious and frustrated with the things we see in the news every day

and all the violence there is around the world and some of which trying to spill

into our country. I think it makes us more combative than we would ordinarily

be. I know in my own life I have been trying to let things go because when I

don't I end up in an atrial fibrillation attack which can last anywhere from an

hour to a day so far, and it is very frightening to say nothing of debilitating.

By the time it's over, I'm totally exhausted. I have a new stress echo being

done this month too.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: Crystal <sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>>

> Subject: Re: Re: Rationing

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07 PM

>

> I bet you wouldn't think that was smart if an intruder broke into your

> house

> or the home of somebody you loved and they were not able to protect

> themselves.  I watched my mother get raped and almost murdered when I

> was 3

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Ahuh!

Roni

<>Just because something

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>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Rationing

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:19 PM

>

> When it ultimately comes down to voting for the lessor of two evils that

> lessor is almost always going to be a Republican and hopefully

> conservative.

>

> A few years ago we had a local politician [Republican] who adopted

> positions so vastly wrong in my view that I was determined to vote for

> his democrat opponent in the next election.  But I made the mistake of

> reading the positions of that [liberal] opponent and I just couldn't

> do it.

>

> At our last election again a republican candidate was so unattractive to

> me that I wanted him ousted.  That time I made sure to not learn

> _anything_ about his opponent; who incidentally won.  Now I believe we

> have the first openly gay county commissioner in our history.

>

>

> .

> .

>

> >

> >       Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam%40>

> > <mailto:matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam%40>?Subject=%20Re%

> 3A%20Rationing>

> >       matchermaam <matchermaam

> <matchermaam>>

> >

> >

> >         Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:13 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> >

> > So why do you vote for them again and again?

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