Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Since I can't stand , I'm on your side with this one. He's the most un American American President I can think of. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <res075oh@...> Subject: Re: Rationing hypothyroidism Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:57 PM The banks failed specifically because the loans they made under the guidelines of the regulators controlling the implementation of the CRA of 1977 were not fiscally sound. That can be laid directly to the Community Reconstruction Act of 1977 and the implementation that followed and to nothing else. Everything else in the chain of sordid events spring directly from that. Yet another liberal boondoggle for which they will never take credit; or even have it pointed out by much of the liberal press. .. .. > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:38 pm (PST) > > > > I honeslty think this country started going down hill with the progressive > republican president Teddy Rooselvelt. BTW he was McCains presidential > idol > I would still have preferred McCain over Obama though, but I didn't vote > for him in the primaries > CW > -- Re: Rationing > > > Actually the seed of the present economic situation was planted, > nourished and grown from the Community Reconstruction Act of 1977. That > act and all of the regulation that followed from it changed the criteria > bands used for deciding to whom to make a loan from being the ability > and willingness to repay a mortgage to being some other irrelevant > factor such as skin color. And it sure as h*ll wasn't Bush and the > Republicans who pushed it through. Here's one description of it: " The > *1977* *Community* *Reconstruction* *Act* threatened commercial lenders > with half million dollar fines if they denied mortgages to unqualified > applicants. " ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I want to own an 1800's era canon in working order with all necessary ammo (charges and balls). Perhaps a couple. Any objections? No limits, no licensing, not waiting periods, no documentation! The government should fear it's citiznes and not know who has guns and who doesn't. Freedom exists when the government fears the citizens. Freedom DOES NOT EXIST when the citizens fear the government. The right to self defense with what ever weapon of choice is a natural right. The claim that there are certain ways I'm not allowed to defend myself and must not defend myself is so much progressive socialists bs. Clank, clank, where's my tank? (Government subsidized of course!) Steve On 1/12/2010 10:55 PM, Roni Molin wrote: > I also feel that citizens have the right to own a gun. However, I don't see the reason for someone to own an assault rifle or a machine gun. I also believe that anyone who wants to own a gun should have to have it licensed, and should have to go through a background check, and wait a week, in case it's a person who is angry and emotional and would go buy a gun and kill someone. Nothing's perfect and we can't make it perfect, but there are rules for owning a car, and there should be rules that govern owning a weapon too. For example you can't buy a tank and drive it on the highway. > > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > >> >> From: Crystal<sweetnwright@...<mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>> >> Subject: Re: Re: Rationing >> hypothyroidism >> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> >> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07 PM >> >> I bet you wouldn't think that was smart if an intruder broke into your >> house >> or the home of somebody you loved and they were not able to protect >> themselves. I watched my mother get raped and almost murdered when I >> was 3 > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I live in the Seattle area and there have recently been 6 cops killed by people who walked up to them and shot them. There have been children kidnapped and raped and murdered. There have been home invasions and burglaries. There have been stolen cars, clerks held up at gun point, and all kinds of things going on that I don't think you have where you are. There is plenty of rural land around here too, and the people that live on that land have guns and raise food and are very independant. But, they, like you, are not likely to go into town and shoot the place up. However, there have been quite a number of shootings in families or of spouses or girlfriends or boyfriends. There have been teenagers who walked into malls around here and just started shooting up the place. If you live in a rural, quiet area with lots of land and limited contact with strangers you can pretty much do what you want. I think you might feel differently if a bunch of strangers came into your area and started indiscriminately shooting people. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> >> >> From: Crystal<sweetnwright@...<mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>> >> Subject: Re: Re: Rationing >> hypothyroidism >> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> >> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07 PM >> >> I bet you wouldn't think that was smart if an intruder broke into your >> house >> or the home of somebody you loved and they were not able to protect >> themselves. I watched my mother get raped and almost murdered when I >> was 3 > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 SO you would fire all the people willing to do the job for the wages being paid and then require those businesses to service your interests and pay 10 times as much to US workers and increase the prices to US consumers by 10 times? Does it depend on where the businesses corporate headquarters are and where it was incorporated? Or do you require the world to only hire US workers? I've looked at forming an internet business selling product I'm interested in. The domain name exits and the planning for this busines was to set it up as a one man operation and contract/subcontract all necessary services. That way I would have NO employees to deal with and would only have to deal with other business men/women. While people would get employed as a result, none would work for me and I wouldn't have to deal with all the government regulation bs. The product would be warehoused to a company that drop ships for businesses. So, if you bought something from me, some business would put my label on it, put my invoice in the box, pull my product from their shelves, and drop ship it from near UPS headquarters. No touching by me, no managing by me, except for verifying quality packing and shipping and bitching at the subcontractor if they ever ran out of my product on the shelves. Customer support I've looked into and starting off I would pay on a per call bases to certain companies in India. As I got larger I could pay for full time employees in India from similar companies (contracts with the company, not the people). Paying US employees to handle service calls would eliminate most if not all of the profit from running this business. It only works if I can control my costs and my costs are best served by international options. In other words, I can either provide jobs to international based employees, jobs they would love to have, or I wont start this business at all since it will not make money. Hiring US employees unnecessarily is not an option since the business would not be profitable. Anyway, I think globally, not parochially. Not only that, I'm willing to move where ever my best interests are served which means outside the US if needed. I have no need to try to enrich my current city to the determent of other cities, no need to enrich my current state to the determent of other states, and no need to enrich the US to the determent of other countries. When I do what's best for me, the most people are benefited. Every person is valuable regardless of citizenship. Steve On 1/12/2010 11:03 PM, Roni Molin wrote: > Yes, that used to be true in the states, but that was before outsourcing took the jobs away from our people and sent them all over the world.Those jobs should be brought back to the United States. > > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > >> >> From: <res075oh@...<mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> >> Subject: Re: Rationing >> hypothyroidism >> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> >> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:09 PM >> >> The value of a apple doesn't change because you have a million dollars >> or because you have one dollar. Only your ability to buy apples >> changes. In a fair system each person should pay according to what >> he/she consumes. Or do you subscribe to, " ...From each according to his >> abilities; to each according to his needs... " [or similar]? If income >> were taxed equally then the top 5% of earners would only pay about 5% of >> taxes. They're already paying a rate 1000% above average; and 10,000% >> [MOL] above the bottom 50%. >> >> -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Does that mean you're right and I'm right; or that we're both wrong? [ggg] .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:35 pm (PST) > > > > You're agreeing with me . Careful! > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Rationing > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:47 PM > > Damn*d if I can agree with the Mc's verdict AT ALL. Anyone > foolish enough to buy a cup of hot coffee in a paper cup and hold it > between their legs as they drive away are as far as I'm concerned > completely responsible. A burnt @$$ is nature's way of saying, " Don't > do that " ; and is something anyone who has attained the age of adulthood > should already know. Going against nature and rewarding fools is IMHO > counterproductive for everyone except the lawyers. YMMV. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 That's a far better example than mine... .. .. > > Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@... > <mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing> > dudescholar <dudescholar> > > > Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:36 pm (PST) > > > > My house burnt down but I now want some fire insurance. I didn't need > it before but now I do. Will you sell me some so I can get my house > rebuilt? I mean, sorry old me needs to live somewhere. DO you have a > problem with a law that requires home owners insurance companies to sell > me fire insurance AFTER that house has burned down? That's called a > pre-existing condition. > > Steve > > On 1/12/2010 5:54 PM, Roni Molin wrote: > > That's the whole point of universal healthcare. The insurance > companies would have to share the whole country, and would not be able > to rip people off or deny them coverage for pre existing conditions as > they do today. > > > > > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 My analogy is accurate, but Steve's is much better and easier to understand. Anyway, I'm glad we're having this conversation because I've been looking all over for the insurance companies with obscene profits. You see, only a company with obscene profits can pay obscene dividends. Will you please give me the name of a few that have obscene profits/dividends; or at least one or two? I don't have much to invest but my returns on CD's are obscene but in another direction. I'll be glad to settle for only 50% per year; or maybe 25%; that shouldn't be too much for a company with such obscene profits should it? Hey, how about 10%? Or 5%? Thanks, .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:42 pm (PST) > > > > Your analagy does not compute. No one is saying that but you. The > insurance companies rack up obscene profits, while denying customers > the insurance that they have paid for. > I am in a hassle right now with the Part D insurance company I have > which has overcharged me for three rxs of the same generic drug for > which I was supposed to pay $5 each to the tune of $218 and change. > They all agree I was overcharged when I speak to them on the 'phone, > but it's been months and I talk to them at least once a week and they > still have not given me a check for the overcharge. > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Rationing > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:08 PM > > Insurance companies are business. If a company is to be fair [and stay > in business] then the charge to provide a service or product needs to > accurately reflect the cost of same. > > Companies that sell automobile " extended warranties " or " service > contracts " are also businesses. Would you really expect a company to > charge the same for a new Honda as for a 1949 Ford for a one year > extended warranty? Suppose instead that both cars are two year old > Hondas but one is pristine and the other looks like it's been the loser > in a demolition derby and the engine is smoking and knocking and various > fluids are spilling from underneath. If you were the company owner > would you charge the same for the cream puff extended warranty as for > the demolition derby loser? > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Sorry; it was KID Rock; not Rock. .. .. > > Kid Rocks tells kids: 'Steal everything' > > Submitted by worker on Mon, 2008-06-30 21:35. > Tags: > > * Anti-Capitalist Movement > <http://anarchistnews.org/?q=taxonomy/term/7> > * Wingnut <http://anarchistnews.org/?q=taxonomy/term/28> > > From News.com (au) > <http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23926048-5001021,00.html> > > > RAP-rocker Kid Rock has taken a page out of 60s activist Abbie > Hoffman's book, telling his fans to steal - everything. > > Rock tells fans that they shouldn't worry about illegally downloading > his tunes, since he's wealthy enough. > > Rock, whose ship briefly crossed Pam 's barge in matrimony > last year, posted a video on YouTube urging citizens to " level the > playing field " by stealing anything they need from greedy > corporations, including laptops, Tommy Hilfiger duds, Toyotas ( " It's a > foreign car company, so who cares " ), and gasoline. > .. .. Now they say he was kidding; who knows. .. .. > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:43 pm (PST) > > > > That is not true at all. I watched the show from beginning to end and > he did the exact opposite. He came down on kids like a ton of bricks, > just like Bill Cosby did. > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Rationing > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:11 PM > > IIRC Rock also advised teenagers that it's okay to steal. Yeah; > about as smart as a sack of mud. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Private roads are better, private schools are better, private bridges are better, almost all communication systems are already private, private airports are better, I fly private airplanes not government (I don't spend a million dollars a hour on the public dime), cars are made by private companies (until government supports the losers and wastes money), food comes from private companies. For all those things you think needs government, I can give you private options that can do the job better for lower costs. Of the DOW 30 companies that existed in the first quarter of last century, most of them lost their position, went bankrupt, or were consumed by more efficient enterprises. Your socialist government thinks these companies are too big to fail when the free markets say otherwise. Of the 30 DOW companies in 1928, on 9 are still left. Socialism should not protect failing companies like GM and Chrysler. Centralized government planning is always a money waster and lowers productivity and economic wealth. The best way to get the best value for each dollar spent is when each and every person gets to vote with each and every one of their own dollars on what they want instead of the government claiming to be able to better vote your dollars than you do and taking them away. As to me coming from Utah, you are stereotyping and assuming. I've lived in California, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Florida, land, Virginia, Morocco Africa, Philippians, Western Australia, Quebec Canada, and Ontario Canada. I've experienced poverty unknown in the USA up to where every house is answered by a butler. I don't pretend to be better able to spend anyone else money better than they can themselves. Except that I can spend it better for myself or people who's vote I might want to buy. That's what government does. Steve On 1/12/2010 12:58 PM, Roni Molin wrote: > Steve, good roads, good schools, good bridges, good communication, good airports and planes, and cars and food and hospitals and education are all basics, and require taxes. You are just not looking at the big picture. I realize that coming from Utah it's hard to imagine the scope of what is really necessary to the vast majority of the population, and what their situations really are, in contrast to your own. > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > >> >> >> From: <res075oh@...> >> Subject: Re: Rationing >> hypothyroidism >> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:19 PM >> >> >> It is the theories of socialism that have failed. Even when the >> government assumed and applied the " right " to murder millions of their >> own citizens they still failed. >> >> Democracy will fail too, I'm afraid. When those who do not produce find >> out they can vote themselves an ever greater share of the income of >> those who do produce a point will be reached that those who do produce >> will be reduced beyond that necessary to support the society. At that >> point it will collapse. Most likely a dictator will then take over by >> promising to take care of everyone's needs and so many will naively >> follow that it becomes possible. >> >> Obamacare is just one of many steps in that direction. Free medical >> care for everyone, and no costs involved. How could anyone be so foolish... >> >> >> . > -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 You just have to register for the draft when you turn 18. The draft can be turned on at any time. Failure to register is a criminal act. Steve On 1/12/2010 12:04 PM, wrote: > Steve, I don't think the draft exists anymore??? > > > . > . > >> >> Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@... >> <mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing> >> dudescholar<dudescholar> >> >> >> Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:59 pm (PST) >> >> >> >> The republic is gone so there can be no allegiances pledged. But you do >> get to get drafted and fight as many Vietnams as war profits require. >> >> Steve -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Last I heard, profit margins at health insurance companies as a group were 3%. Steve On 1/13/2010 12:03 AM, wrote: > My analogy is accurate, but Steve's is much better and easier to > understand. > > Anyway, I'm glad we're having this conversation because I've been > looking all over for the insurance companies with obscene profits. You > see, only a company with obscene profits can pay obscene dividends. > Will you please give me the name of a few that have obscene > profits/dividends; or at least one or two? I don't have much to invest > but my returns on CD's are obscene but in another direction. I'll be > glad to settle for only 50% per year; or maybe 25%; that shouldn't be > too much for a company with such obscene profits should it? Hey, how > about 10%? Or 5%? > > Thanks, > > . > . > >> >> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... >> <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing> >> matchermaam<matchermaam> >> >> >> Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:42 pm (PST) >> >> >> >> Your analagy does not compute. No one is saying that but you. The >> insurance companies rack up obscene profits, while denying customers >> the insurance that they have paid for. >> I am in a hassle right now with the Part D insurance company I have >> which has overcharged me for three rxs of the same generic drug for >> which I was supposed to pay $5 each to the tune of $218 and change. >> They all agree I was overcharged when I speak to them on the 'phone, >> but it's been months and I talk to them at least once a week and they >> still have not given me a check for the overcharge. >> >> Roni >> <>Just because something >> isn't seen doesn't mean it's >> not there<> >> >> >> >> From: <res075oh@...<mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> >> Subject: Re: Rationing >> hypothyroidism >> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> >> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:08 PM >> >> Insurance companies are business. If a company is to be fair [and stay >> in business] then the charge to provide a service or product needs to >> accurately reflect the cost of same. >> >> Companies that sell automobile " extended warranties " or " service >> contracts " are also businesses. Would you really expect a company to >> charge the same for a new Honda as for a 1949 Ford for a one year >> extended warranty? Suppose instead that both cars are two year old >> Hondas but one is pristine and the other looks like it's been the loser >> in a demolition derby and the engine is smoking and knocking and various >> fluids are spilling from underneath. If you were the company owner >> would you charge the same for the cream puff extended warranty as for >> the demolition derby loser? >> >> -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 >... you will eventually destroy the earth. Maybe with the exception of mega atomic bombs and/or impact from an extraterrestrial source (e.g. planet X, or comet swarm) IMO it is an arrogance to think that man can destroy this planet; that is not to say that humans are making it a very inhospitable place for human (and other) life. Not very intelligent are we One truth is that there are far tooooo many of us ...humans ...perhaps the culling has already begun ...the scam H1N1 pandemic, gmos etc. etc. The current health reform debate seems to be just another distraction to the truth of over-population. Another distraction is the climate scam. Trish > > In one of your emails you laid out a scenario whereby the people who make the most money would be taxed to theoretical oblivion. There is also a scenario whereby the > people who make the least will cease to exist eventually because of illness or death > and there will be no one to support the 5% who make the most money. Who will pick > the produce, make the cars, build the roads, run the trains, lay the tracks, pick up the > garbage, etc. All people need to make a decent living in order to live. All levels of society are needed for the society to continue to exist. Rome forgot that, France forgot that. That's why those societies ceased to be big powers. It's the same with the eco system. If you destroy large parts of the earth's natural recources, you will eventually destroy the earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 At this point, who knows? Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Rationing > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:47 PM > > Damn*d if I can agree with the Mc's verdict AT ALL. Anyone > foolish enough to buy a cup of hot coffee in a paper cup and hold it > between their legs as they drive away are as far as I'm concerned > completely responsible. A burnt @$$ is nature's way of saying, " Don't > do that " ; and is something anyone who has attained the age of adulthood > should already know. Going against nature and rewarding fools is IMHO > counterproductive for everyone except the lawyers. YMMV. > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Right this minute, since I haven't even looked, the only one I can think of, which is not even an insurance company is Goldman Sachs that just gave out $10Billion in bonuses. Is that obscene enough for all of us? Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Rationing > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:08 PM > > Insurance companies are business. If a company is to be fair [and stay > in business] then the charge to provide a service or product needs to > accurately reflect the cost of same. > > Companies that sell automobile " extended warranties " or " service > contracts " are also businesses. Would you really expect a company to > charge the same for a new Honda as for a 1949 Ford for a one year > extended warranty? Suppose instead that both cars are two year old > Hondas but one is pristine and the other looks like it's been the loser > in a demolition derby and the engine is smoking and knocking and various > fluids are spilling from underneath. If you were the company owner > would you charge the same for the cream puff extended warranty as for > the demolition derby loser? > > > . ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Well, he's an idiot. Someday one of the ones that took his advice will steal from him. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Rationing > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:11 PM > > IIRC Rock also advised teenagers that it's okay to steal. Yeah; > about as smart as a sack of mud. > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Steve the discussion was about whether or not you benefit from the things people in society make or do. Obviously you do, but are too stubborn to admit it. By the way, which highways do you know or travel on that the government has not subsidized in some way, or an airport that hasn't gotten any government help or an airplance coompany the government hasn't given huge contracts to, or a food company that is not subject to the (albeit antiquated) rules of the FDA, etc. I still think you are living in an illusion. In 2010, there are no men that are totally independant of everything. There are things you do get becvause they are produced in this country and subject to the laws thereof, no matter how few. It's nice that you've done some travelling, I have too. So tell me, from all your travelling, which country " does it right " ? You evidently don't think the United States does it right, so I'm interested to know which one you think does? Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> >> >> >> From: <res075oh@...> >> Subject: Re: Rationing >> hypothyroidism >> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:19 PM >> >> >> It is the theories of socialism that have failed. Even when the >> government assumed and applied the " right " to murder millions of their >> own citizens they still failed. >> >> Democracy will fail too, I'm afraid. When those who do not produce find >> out they can vote themselves an ever greater share of the income of >> those who do produce a point will be reached that those who do produce >> will be reduced beyond that necessary to support the society. At that >> point it will collapse. Most likely a dictator will then take over by >> promising to take care of everyone's needs and so many will naively >> follow that it becomes possible. >> >> Obamacare is just one of many steps in that direction. Free medical >> care for everyone, and no costs involved. How could anyone be so foolish... >> >> >> . > -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 That's a heck of a lot better than the banks are giving. All they're doing now is taking in billions of dollars and disributing it to their own people instead of giving loans. The credit card interest rates have long passed usury, and they pay no interest. It doesn't matter any more if you do or don't have a savings account, there's no interest being earned on it. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> >> >> From: <res075oh@...<mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> >> Subject: Re: Rationing >> hypothyroidism >> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> >> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:08 PM >> >> Insurance companies are business. If a company is to be fair [and stay >> in business] then the charge to provide a service or product needs to >> accurately reflect the cost of same. >> >> Companies that sell automobile " extended warranties " or " service >> contracts " are also businesses. Would you really expect a company to >> charge the same for a new Honda as for a 1949 Ford for a one year >> extended warranty? Suppose instead that both cars are two year old >> Hondas but one is pristine and the other looks like it's been the loser >> in a demolition derby and the engine is smoking and knocking and various >> fluids are spilling from underneath. If you were the company owner >> would you charge the same for the cream puff extended warranty as for >> the demolition derby loser? >> >> -- Steve - dudescholar4@... " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism " Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 , Just to be clear, I didn't say I agreed with the actual Mc's verdict, or even could have agreed with one just for damages. I just said I can understand how a jury could have awarded for damages. The punitive part was way beyond my comprehension. But then, with what is being taught in schools, I am often surprised the lights stay on. Chuck You wrote: > > > Damn*d if I can agree with the Mc's verdict AT ALL. Anyone > foolish enough to buy a cup of hot coffee in a paper cup and hold it > between their legs as they drive away are as far as I'm concerned > completely responsible. A burnt @$$ is nature's way of saying, " Don't > do that " ; and is something anyone who has attained the age of adulthood > should already know. Going against nature and rewarding fools is IMHO > counterproductive for everyone except the lawyers. YMMV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Man can absolutely destroy this planet, in many different ways. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Trish <fielddot@...> Subject: Re: Rationing hypothyroidism Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:56 AM >... you will eventually destroy the earth. Maybe with the exception of mega atomic bombs and/or impact from an extraterrestrial source (e.g. planet X, or comet swarm) IMO it is an arrogance to think that man can destroy this planet; that is not to say that humans are making it a very inhospitable place for human (and other) life. Not very intelligent are we One truth is that there are far tooooo many of us ...humans ...perhaps the culling has already begun ...the scam H1N1 pandemic, gmos etc. etc. The current health reform debate seems to be just another distraction to the truth of over-population. Another distraction is the climate scam. Trish > > In one of your emails you laid out a scenario whereby the people who make the most money would be taxed to theoretical oblivion. There is also a scenario whereby the > people who make the least will cease to exist eventually because of illness or death > and there will be no one to support the 5% who make the most money. Who will pick > the produce, make the cars, build the roads, run the trains, lay the tracks, pick up the > garbage, etc. All people need to make a decent living in order to live. All levels of society are needed for the society to continue to exist. Rome forgot that, France forgot that. That's why those societies ceased to be big powers. It's the same with the eco system. If you destroy large parts of the earth's natural recources, you will eventually destroy the earth. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 i am new to group you put on site about salt loading when experiencing issues. why would u need to do this. surely salt retains water not helps you urinate.what are usual side effects of iodoral and can it stop you peeing what about dandelion capsules ang From: Roni Molin Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:58 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: Rationing Man can absolutely destroy this planet, in many different ways. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Trish <fielddot@...> Subject: Re: Rationing hypothyroidism Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:56 AM >... you will eventually destroy the earth. Maybe with the exception of mega atomic bombs and/or impact from an extraterrestrial source (e.g. planet X, or comet swarm) IMO it is an arrogance to think that man can destroy this planet; that is not to say that humans are making it a very inhospitable place for human (and other) life. Not very intelligent are we One truth is that there are far tooooo many of us ...humans ...perhaps the culling has already begun ...the scam H1N1 pandemic, gmos etc. etc. The current health reform debate seems to be just another distraction to the truth of over-population. Another distraction is the climate scam. Trish > > In one of your emails you laid out a scenario whereby the people who make the most money would be taxed to theoretical oblivion. There is also a scenario whereby the > people who make the least will cease to exist eventually because of illness or death > and there will be no one to support the 5% who make the most money. Who will pick > the produce, make the cars, build the roads, run the trains, lay the tracks, pick up the > garbage, etc. All people need to make a decent living in order to live. All levels of society are needed for the society to continue to exist. Rome forgot that, France forgot that. That's why those societies ceased to be big powers. It's the same with the eco system. If you destroy large parts of the earth's natural recources, you will eventually destroy the earth. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Agreed -- Re: Re: Rationing > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07 PM > > I bet you wouldn't think that was smart if an intruder broke into your > house > or the home of somebody you loved and they were not able to protect > themselves. I watched my mother get raped and almost murdered when I > was 3 ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Two points: One, to simply answer your question. Two, to give some additional insight as to how I vote and why, which is also in answer to your direct question. .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:51 pm (PST) > > > > So your point is? > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Rationing > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:19 PM > > When it ultimately comes down to voting for the lessor of two evils that > lessor is almost always going to be a Republican and hopefully > conservative. > > A few years ago we had a local politician [Republican] who adopted > positions so vastly wrong in my view that I was determined to vote for > his democrat opponent in the next election. But I made the mistake of > reading the positions of that [liberal] opponent and I just couldn't > do it. > > At our last election again a republican candidate was so unattractive to > me that I wanted him ousted. That time I made sure to not learn > _anything_ about his opponent; who incidentally won. Now I believe we > have the first openly gay county commissioner in our history. > > > . > . > > > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam%40> > > <mailto:matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam%40>?Subject=%20Re% > 3A%20Rationing> > > matchermaam <matchermaam > <matchermaam>> > > > > > > Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:13 pm (PST) > > > > > > > > So why do you vote for them again and again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Then you don't really believe in and support the second amendment. Once you require licensing of guns then anyone who fails to license their gun loses that second amendment right. It's exactly the same as if you required a license to enjoy the benefits of any of the other item in the bill of rights. Then the constitutional bill of rights would not apply to all citizens; only those who have licensed their rights. Once you give to the government the right to license or deny a license for any of the bill of rights then that right no longer exists. The so-called " God give rights " are not a gift from government to you but rather are an inherent right and a limit upon the government that they may not take from you; whether by a licensing requirement or any other pretense. Cars are different; you do not have a constitutional bill of rights to drive a car. Still you could argue that since the government is not specifically given the right to control your driving of a car [under the 10th amendment IIRC] that it has no constitutional authority to deny you that " right " ; but the government has long ago thrown out any pretense to observe the 10th amendment. Many rights otherwise applicable may of course be curtailed due to criminal activity resulting in court orders; but that's completely another subject. Limiting the second amendment rights of felons presumedly falls under that idea. .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Rationing> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:55 pm (PST) > > > > I also feel that citizens have the right to own a gun. However, I > don't see the reason for someone to own an assault rifle or a machine > gun. I also believe that anyone who wants to own a gun should have to > have it licensed, and should have to go through a background check, > and wait a week, in case it's a person who is angry and emotional and > would go buy a gun and kill someone. Nothing's perfect and we can't > make it perfect, but there are rules for owning a car, and there > should be rules that govern owning a weapon too. For example you can't > buy a tank and drive it on the highway. > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Rationing > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:24 PM > > That was written by Crystal; not me. > > I personally know of a lot of people and types of people I think > probably have about as much business with a gun as I do with a space > shuttle. HOWEVER: Unlike my liberal opponents even when I personally > disagree with something I still respect the constitution and the > constitutional rights of those who I think shouldn't be allowed on the > trigger end of any weapon. They have a second amendment right, period; > and that settles it. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I'm so glad we can find common ground on different issues. I think we are all getting very anxious and frustrated with the things we see in the news every day and all the violence there is around the world and some of which trying to spill into our country. I think it makes us more combative than we would ordinarily be. I know in my own life I have been trying to let things go because when I don't I end up in an atrial fibrillation attack which can last anywhere from an hour to a day so far, and it is very frightening to say nothing of debilitating. By the time it's over, I'm totally exhausted. I have a new stress echo being done this month too. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > From: Crystal <sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>> > Subject: Re: Re: Rationing > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 5:07 PM > > I bet you wouldn't think that was smart if an intruder broke into your > house > or the home of somebody you loved and they were not able to protect > themselves. I watched my mother get raped and almost murdered when I > was 3 ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Ahuh! Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Rationing > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:19 PM > > When it ultimately comes down to voting for the lessor of two evils that > lessor is almost always going to be a Republican and hopefully > conservative. > > A few years ago we had a local politician [Republican] who adopted > positions so vastly wrong in my view that I was determined to vote for > his democrat opponent in the next election. But I made the mistake of > reading the positions of that [liberal] opponent and I just couldn't > do it. > > At our last election again a republican candidate was so unattractive to > me that I wanted him ousted. That time I made sure to not learn > _anything_ about his opponent; who incidentally won. Now I believe we > have the first openly gay county commissioner in our history. > > > . > . > > > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam%40> > > <mailto:matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam%40>?Subject=%20Re% > 3A%20Rationing> > > matchermaam <matchermaam > <matchermaam>> > > > > > > Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:13 pm (PST) > > > > > > > > So why do you vote for them again and again? ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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