Palpitations

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You got it! I will be here. I don't know. I got pregnant with my

daughter 9 mos post 2 RAI's. I am amazed and know that God truly wanted

that little girl here. Dr.B told me there is no way I should have ever

gotten pregnant with her and then I should have never been able to carry the

pregnancy to term. With no iodine in my body I am surprised at how bright

she is. He called her a miracle. I agree.

Re: Palpitations

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>> >> > This may not pertain to you at all but my daughter (age27)was

>> > having

>> >> > heart palps, b/p would shoot up, pulse racing. Went to see DR.

> B

>> > and

>> >> > found out it was all the Nutrasweet and Splenda! She cut all of

>> > that

>> >> > from her diet and feels MUCH better. She is low in mag so she

>> > still

>> >> > feels a bit panicky at times but is working on that, also.

>> >> >

>> >> > Janie

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>> >> > Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of

> the

>> >> >> local > public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with

>> >> > palpitations,

>> >> >> > chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling in my chest

> and

>> >> >> > throughout my body. Since these symptoms have been building

>> > day by

>> >> >> > day and I was a little concerned, I felt it would be best

> to

>> > get it

>> >> >> > checked out.

>> >> >> > > Thanks for listening.......LD

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[Guest guest]

If you've been mag deficient for a while, it can take a long time to correct.

Linn

>

> Hi, Thanks for this suggestion, however, I'm taking plenty of

> magnesium and also topical. I've been taking selenium for years too.

>

> The situation is so calm now that I'm thinking it must have been a

> herx response to killing pathogens even though I wouldn't have

> thought I was taking enough of anything to do that. I did start

> taking bi-carb 17 June. Maybe the bi-carb w/lemon is raising the pH

> enough to kill pathogens. I will ask on the pH forum about it.

>

> Thanks again.........LD

>

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I was wondering if some one could tell me what their palpitations felt

like... I have been having some " achy " heart pain. It comes and goes

and it also happens at different parts of the day. I currently take 2

grains of Armour.....I have been at this dose for a while... I came

down from the 3 grains I had increased to. I was feeling " different "

on the 3 grains.

Anyway, it can be scary having achy pains on the left side of your

chest. I am only 29....I really dont want my mind wandering on things

that could be going wrong. Any ideas? Tabitha

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I was getting those and went to the doc, who said (correctly)

that I had heartburn. The problem turned out to be

that I was doing gardening (bending over) after lunch,

which just isn't a good idea.

People get heartburn for different reasons. There is a good

book on the subject called " Why stomach acid is good

for you " . But the one thing that is NOT a good idea

is taking acid-blockers ... they will make things worse

in the long run. If it goes on too long the esophagus

can get damaged, which does hurt. It's located right

around where your heart is.

Heartburn happens for many reasons, and you could

maybe be reacting to the iodine, or some food. It is

very, very difficult to tell from a heart attack. There are

other things that feel like a heart attack too: one

friend of ours was taken to the emergency room and

had 50 grand worth of tests done, just to find out

his esophagus was spasming for unknown reasons.

Also what can happen is that the stomach can

get pushed up into the chest cavity ... this is pretty

common and it generally goes away on it's own.

It can be caused by tight pants or too much abdominal

fat, or eating too much. This makes you feel like

you can't breath (the stomach actually gets in the

way of the lungs).

If you are worried about it though, it can't hurt to have

it checked out. At 29 you are likely doing just fine

heart-wise, but it's an easy thing to check.

Palpitations, which I used to get, feel like a fluttery

feeling, like your heart " skipped a beat " . Very weird

feeling.

On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Tabitha <free_2_stamp@...> wrote:

> I was wondering if some one could tell me what their palpitations felt

> like... I have been having some " achy " heart pain. It comes and goes

> and it also happens at different parts of the day. I currently take 2

> grains of Armour.....I have been at this dose for a while... I came

> down from the 3 grains I had increased to. I was feeling " different "

> on the 3 grains.

> Anyway, it can be scary having achy pains on the left side of your

> chest. I am only 29....I really dont want my mind wandering on things

> that could be going wrong. Any ideas? Tabitha

>

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That's an excellent suggestion Linn! I hadn't considered how long

it might take to bring the body to full saturation.

I've been taking supplements to correct a possible methylation cycle

block (B12 and Folic Acid) but I started out so low that I didn't think

it possible that the tiny amounts could cause any undue reaction but I've

now been told that it is very likely that if I didn't have any B12

or folic acid in my system (due to the block) then tiny doses could have

invoked all the symptoms I was experiencing.

I think that I could have combatted that reaction if my body was already

saturated with magnesium so your information is most welcome. I'm

applying between 15 to 20 mg of topical magnesium daily so I hope it is

starting to correct the situation. I've always taken magnesium tabs

but I guess that wasn't enough.

I'm still waiting on the results of my latest tests so I can make a

decision whether I need to raise my thyroxine again, start on something

for adrenals and I also would love to be able to tolerate some

iodine.

Thank you lots Linn...............LD

Posted by: " mwm1glm " mwm1glm@... mwm1glm

Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:06 pm (PDT)

If you've been mag deficient for a while, it can take a long time to

correct.

Linn

> Hi, Thanks for this suggestion, however, I'm taking plenty of

> magnesium and also topical. I've been taking selenium for years too.

> > The situation is so calm now that I'm thinking it must

have been a > herx response to killing pathogens even though I

wouldn't have > thought I was taking enough of anything to do that. I

did start

> taking bi-carb 17 June. Maybe the bi-carb w/lemon is raising the pH

> enough to kill pathogens. I will ask on the pH forum about it.

> > Thanks again.........LD>

[Guest guest]

I supplemented calcium for many, many years without magnesium. My OB was quite

concerned when I was pregnant with my oldest child because I didn't drink milk,

so he had

me start supplementing calcium. I continued to do that over the years through 6

pregnancies and nursing 4 babies. I ended up with my calcium levels way too

high in

relation to the mag. It took a couple of years of supplementing mag to get rid

of some of

the problems I developed.

Linn

>

> That's an excellent suggestion Linn! I hadn't considered how long it

> might take to bring the body to full saturation.

>

> I've been taking supplements to correct a possible methylation cycle

> block (B12 and Folic Acid) but I started out so low that I didn't

> think it possible that the tiny amounts could cause any undue

> reaction but I've now been told that it is very likely that if I

> didn't have any B12 or folic acid in my system (due to the block)

> then tiny doses could have invoked all the symptoms I was experiencing.

[Guest guest]

I was brainwashed by all the info out there about taking calcium to

avoid osteoporosis. I took calcium regularly but didn't know anything

about taking magnesium. I strongly believe that it was the calcium

that triggered my palpitations. I now know that we get enough calcium

in our diets and that most of us are deficient in magnesium. phine

>

> I supplemented calcium for many, many years without magnesium.

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,I get palpitations after I eat 'white bread' which is

something I never usually do.......(just thought I would mention it)

jennyfreeman

>

> Hi All

> I started having some unpleasant palpitations about a month ago -

usually

> after I've eaten. I was on 50mcg L Thyroxine but have been off it

for 10

> days ready for the 24 hour urine and spit tests.

>

> I'm taking magnesium but how much should I be taking to help

palpitations?

> I've been taking 300mg a day.

> Thanks

> Anne

> xx

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

I haven't found that magnesium helps me with heart palpitations.

Just out of curiosity, are you sure that you need to stop your

thyroxine for such a long time prior to having a urine and saliva

test?

I have thyroid blood tests and only stop using my thyroid replacement

hormones for 24 hours prior to a test. I immediate recommence my

previous thyroid replacement dose after the test (therefore I

haven't 'missed' a dose, I've just not taken it until after the test).

10 days without thyroxine seems to be a long time and I wonder whether

it could impact on the test results.

Perhaps others can shed a light on this.

P

.......I started having some unpleasant palpitations about a month ago -

usually after I've eaten. I was on 50mcg L Thyroxine but have been

off it for 10 days ready for the 24 hour urine and spit tests. I'm

taking magnesium but how much should I be taking to help palpitations?

...I've been taking 300mg a day..........

[Guest guest]

HiAnn

I had a doctor who wrote to me about this and this is what he had to say

From: "Hitendra Shah" <hhshahmd@...>Subject: RE: Rapid HR questionIn my medical practice, I see many women whose heart rate goes up when on thyroid medications. In many cases taking

1. additional Magnesium (about 500 mg/day) will help substantially.

2. If this is not enough, especially in women I put them on Progesterone and it helps a lot.

3. If person get increased HR on Armor Thyroid or Cytomel, adding small amount of T4 (e.g. 25 mcg.) can help balance T4/T3 level better

Hope this helps you.

Luv - Sheila

Hi All

I started having some unpleasant palpitations about a month ago - usually after I've eaten. I was on 50mcg L Thyroxine but have been off it for 10 days ready for the 24 hour urine and spit tests.

I'm taking magnesium but how much should I be taking to help palpitations? I've been taking 300mg a day.

Thanks

Anne

xx

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What an excellent doctor!

Hans

>

> HiAnn

>

> I had a doctor who wrote to me about this and this is what he had

to say

>

> From: " Hitendra Shah " <hhshahmd@...>

> Subject: RE: Rapid HR question

>

> In my medical practice, I see many women whose heart rate goes up

when on thyroid medications. In many cases taking

>

> 1. additional Magnesium (about 500 mg/day) will help substantially.

>

> 2. If this is not enough, especially in women I put them on

Progesterone and it helps a lot.

>

> 3. If person get increased HR on Armor Thyroid or Cytomel, adding

small amount of T4 ...

[Guest guest]

Hi

Mine do seem to be worse after food and my son has told me tonight he gets them if he has dairy

thanks for the input

Anne

2008/9/18 freeman9007 <freemangoldcoast@...>

Hi Anne,I get palpitations after I eat 'white bread' which issomething I never usually do.......(just thought I would mention it)jennyfreeman

>> Hi All> I started having some unpleasant palpitations about a month ago -usually> after I've eaten. I was on 50mcg L Thyroxine but have been off itfor 10

> days ready for the 24 hour urine and spit tests.> > I'm taking magnesium but how much should I be taking to helppalpitations?> I've been taking 300mg a day.> Thanks> Anne

> xx>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila, it is helpful and for P, Dr P told me to leave it off for 10 days (I'm doing the tests on Sunday) and then I have to leave it off for another week while I start on NAE etc (wish I'd listened when I first joined this group and had the tests before starting treatment - we live and learn lol). I don't feel too good at all but didn't think it would make too much difference only being on 50mcg. Have sent for Nature Throid so will swap straight over.

In what way do you think it could affect the results? I wouldn't want to waste all that money.....

thanks

Anne

2008/9/18 patersonia <patersonia@...>

Hi Anne,I haven't found that magnesium helps me with heart palpitations.Just out of curiosity, are you sure that you need to stop your thyroxine for such a long time prior to having a urine and saliva

test? I have thyroid blood tests and only stop using my thyroid replacement hormones for 24 hours prior to a test. I immediate recommence my previous thyroid replacement dose after the test (therefore I

haven't 'missed' a dose, I've just not taken it until after the test). 10 days without thyroxine seems to be a long time and I wonder whether it could impact on the test results. Perhaps others can shed a light on this.

P......I started having some unpleasant palpitations about a month ago - usually after I've eaten. I was on 50mcg L Thyroxine but have been off it for 10 days ready for the 24 hour urine and spit tests. I'm taking magnesium but how much should I be taking to help palpitations?

...I've been taking 300mg a day..........

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

Dairy produce has a higher ratio of calcium to magnesium than normal

human breast milk. The fat mix and content is also wrong.

Too much calcium can induce a lower level of magnesium.

Do I recall that white bread causes hiccups, which I attribute to low

magnesium? My DW had almost unstoppable hiccups when her magnesium

was apparently low, which now causes an instant recourse to

supplementation with magnesium.

Does your white bread have added calcium carbonate by any chance?

If the palpitations are the result of an electrolyte imbalance, then

go look at the adrenal/pituitary function, perhaps....

and too much calcium without the counter-balancing amount of

magnesium is a possible source of problems; the ratio needs to be

somewhere in the region of 2:1 <> 1:1 Ca : Mg.

I can't estimate how much magnesium is needed without an approximate

amount for calcium intake.

I used to think white bread may have been the culprit (for hiccups)

due to its gluten/fibre content pulling magnesium out of the

oesophagus, but maybe, it's actually the calcium content causing an

imbalance between the calcium and magnesium?

Low steroids and/or low thyroxine/T3 may contribute to unstable

electrical rhythm, along with the disturbed electrolytes, though

hypothyroidism itself will dump out magnesium from cells during

hypoxia, making the task of replenishing the magnesium that much more

difficult.

It's possibly better to wait until the hypothyroidism is resolving

before adding in too much magnesium; at that point the 'demand' for

magnesium will begin to pick up anyway, as more Mg is retained within

the cells instead of outside them ( as is potassium retained

better ).

best wishes

Bob

> Hi

> Mine do seem to be worse after food and my son has told me tonight

[Guest guest]

Hi again Anne,

I didn't realise you were swapping over. Hey, listen to what your doc

advises as I really know diddly squat about what he has in mind. I

only ever have thyroid blood tests so am not familiar with what you

have to do with thyroid saliva tests.

P

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne

When people join this forum (mostly out of sheer need) they are completely bowled over with the amount of information that we throw at them, simply because their doctors know little about the associated conditions that go hand in hand with hypothyroidism, and they no doubt find it hard to know which way to turn, so I can understand how difficult it is when they first join to take everything on board. Anyway, I am glad that you are doing all of this now, and take it easy the next few days or so to give your adrenals a time to rest.

When you ask in what way could it affect your results - are you talking about your thyroid function tests or your 24 hour adrenal salivary profile?

Luv - Sheila

In what way do you think it could affect the results? I wouldn't want to waste all that money.....

thanks

Anne

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Hi Sheila

You asked

When you ask in what way could it affect your results - are you talking about your thyroid function tests or your 24 hour adrenal salivary profile?

I'm not sure - it was mentioned maybe as a possiblity by Patersonia but I'm sure it would be alright

thanks Sheila

Anne

xx

On 19/09/2008, sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...> wrote:

Hi Anne

When people join this forum (mostly out of sheer need) they are completely bowled over with the amount of information that we throw at them, simply because their doctors know little about the associated conditions that go hand in hand with hypothyroidism, and they no doubt find it hard to know which way to turn, so I can understand how difficult it is when they first join to take everything on board. Anyway, I am glad that you are doing all of this now, and take it easy the next few days or so to give your adrenals a time to rest.

When you ask in what way could it affect your results - are you talking about your thyroid function tests or your 24 hour adrenal salivary profile?

Luv - Sheila

In what way do you think it could affect the results? I wouldn't want to waste all that money.....

thanks

Anne

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Yes, , heart palpitations are caused by die-off. I get them all

the time. I think it's quite common.

>

> does anyone have a feeling if heart palpitations are a die-off

> symptom? i have only been doing this a week and a half so it is early

> for that. i take thyroid for hashis and it seems way too early to be

> getting recovery in my thyroid. i have never heard any one complain

> about palpitations as a candida or die-off symptom.

> susan

>

[Guest guest]

I have been having them every nite. Some days it's ok, some days it

wakes me up from sleep.

Shirin

> >

> > does anyone have a feeling if heart palpitations are a die-off

> > symptom? i have only been doing this a week and a half so it is

early

> > for that. i take thyroid for hashis and it seems way too early

to be

> > getting recovery in my thyroid. i have never heard any one

complain

> > about palpitations as a candida or die-off symptom.

> > susan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have been having them every nite. Some days it's ok, some days it

> wakes me up from sleep.

+++Hi Shirin. When you get heart palpitations do deep breathing

exercises - they may help you get back to sleep:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath1.php

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Last night I started to have some palpitations and my pulse was around one

hundred. My itchiness kicked in real bad last night too.

Today I still have the palpitations some and the itchiness is feeling real bad

now. My hands are extremely stiff.

My head is very stuffy and congested today too. My hands, arms and feet are

extremely itchy. I just can not take it.

I can not take an epsom salt bath because of having my period.

Thank you for listening to me vent and would love to know if there is anything

else I can do that might help me.

Thanks

Theresa

[Guest guest]

>

> Last night I started to have some palpitations and my pulse was around one

hundred. My itchiness kicked in real bad last night too.

>

> Today I still have the palpitations some and the itchiness is feeling real bad

now. My hands are extremely stiff.

>

> My head is very stuffy and congested today too. My hands, arms and feet are

extremely itchy. I just can not take it.

>

> I can not take an epsom salt bath because of having my period.

>

> Thank you for listening to me vent and would love to know if there is anything

else I can do that might help me.

>

> Thanks

> Theresa

>

The symptoms you've been describing over the last few days sound

very much like an allergic reaction to something. Maybe its the

change in formula of your medicine. I would take a look at anything

you are ingesting (not on the program) that might be causing an

allergic reaction. My son's father in law went thru a long period

with similar allergic symptoms that got to the point he'd almost

given up and decided he was going to die. Doctors kept going around

and round and finally it was discovered he was allergic to a new

perscription he'd been taking for blood pressure. So it may very

well be something foreign you are taking or applying to yourself.

- Roy

PS: Not a doctor either.

[Guest guest]

>

> Last night I started to have some palpitations and my pulse was around one

hundred. My itchiness kicked in real bad last night too.

>

> Today I still have the palpitations some and the itchiness is feeling real bad

now. My hands are extremely stiff.

>

> My head is very stuffy and congested today too. My hands, arms and feet are

extremely itchy. I just can not take it.

>

> I can not take an epsom salt bath because of having my period.

>

> Thank you for listening to me vent and would love to know if there is anything

else I can do that might help me.

+++Hi Theresa. You are experiencing die-off symptoms, which are a normal part

of the way your body heals itself - to understand more about the healing

processes see these articles:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu1_2.php

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal2.php

Here's some help for itching:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat14.php

Here's some help for your congested head:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/colds.php

However, getting healthy is not a steady uphill climb towards health where you

feel better and better every day. It has its ups and downs because of the way

the body heals itself naturally. Actually the healing processes are the same as

the dis-ease process, but now instead of deteriorating you are progressing

towards health.

So hang in there and persevere, ensuring you are completely on the diet and

taking all of the supplements, since the most important thing for your body is

" proper nutrients " which means your body can do its job of healing.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your help Roy but I have not been anything new. I have started

the new formula of my thyroid medication but these symptoms and itchiness I have

been having started before I started the new formula of my medication.

I think it is die off because I have not started anything new or have eaten

anything new when the itchiness started. The only thing I started was I stopped

all the bad food I was eating.

Thank you for your help and I pray this will pass

Theresa

>

> The symptoms you've been describing over the last few days sound

> very much like an allergic reaction to something. Maybe its the

> change in formula of your medicine. I would take a look at anything

> you are ingesting (not on the program) that might be causing an

> allergic reaction. My son's father in law went thru a long period

> with similar allergic symptoms that got to the point he'd almost

> given up and decided he was going to die. Doctors kept going around

> and round and finally it was discovered he was allergic to a new

> perscription he'd been taking for blood pressure. So it may very

> well be something foreign you are taking or applying to yourself.

>

> - Roy

>

> PS: Not a doctor either.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Theresa,

There is nothing wrong with taking a bath during your period. Did someone tell

you there is?

Nan

>> I can not take an epsom salt bath because of having my period.