Palpitations

[Guest guest]

Hi Matt

I have had good success with UNDA 8, 24,

25 and 8, 25, 248 (I think that’s the right number – check for

the one for cardiac pathology.) for many cases with heart arrhythmias and

palpitations etc. I also use herbal tinctures – cratagus and leonarus

are a good place to start for heart rhythm problems. Maybe add some

oatstraw or skullcap for nerves.

Does a functional alcoholic mean he is

still drinking? If so, how much? And how much is he smoking? Is

he willing to alter some of the stress inducers in his lifestyle? I wouldn’t

be too hard on yourself if you can’t help him with his problems while he

continues to destroy his health with alcohol, cigarettes and a stressful

lifestyle. (You are not a miracle worker after all). (Perhaps that

sounds a bit harsher than it needs to, but he really has to be willing to make

some changes in order to help himself.)

What strength of nux did you try? It

sure seems like it would be a good remedy for him. Does the belching

cause the heart problems, the other way around, or do they both arrive

together? If it seems like the belching starts first, maybe some

digestive enzymes could help. How is he doing with his diet?

Loreen Dawson, ND

Sechelt, BC

Family Practice

Palpitations

Hello Group,

I haven't had a great

degree of success with the following case and would appreciate any feedback

individuals may have.

54 yo male presents with

paroxysmal tachycardia and skipped beats. The patient is a functional

alcoholic, smoker and has a high stress job. The patient notes

that the cardiac episodes occur in conjunction with extreme

belching. The patient's stomach is elevated. I have used visceral

manipulation on multiple occasions and the patient performs heel drops

daily. Dizziness and diaphoresis accompany cardiac episodes with tingling

from head to toes. Symptoms tend to be worse in the morning but can occur

at anytime. No pharmaceutical meds. My assessment is that

lifestyle, stomach and nervous system are contributing factors. The

belching is a keynote in this case. All lab work is normal.

EKG testing has been normal and Holter monitors haven't caught anything.

6 months of treatment has

consisted of BTGs, CoQ10, UNDAs 2, 20, 243: 1,20, 226; 8, 43, 243; 4, 24,

243: 9, 30, 248, Chelidoniumplex, Acer, Tilia, Rosmarinus, Lycopodium and

Nux vomica. Thus far the patient has experienced little if any

improvement.

The symptom of belching

aggravating the condition is particularly interesting. I feel we're on

the right track but I'm growing impatient. If anyone would have

suggestions or ideas I would appreciate them.

Matt Cowan, ND

Family Practice

Portland,

OR

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[Guest guest]

Hey Matt-

It almost seems spastic too, belching and then spastic heart respose to that. Maybe consider 219 as well.

Allie Tanzer NDSeaside, OR

[Guest guest]

Hi Lizzie,

I sometimes get similar attacks upon waking and I don't take T3 - just

T4 - so maybe your attacks are not specifically linked to the T3 you

are taking.

Just a thought,

[Guest guest]

You could try splitting the dose, or even taking half (5mcg) to start off with, until your body gets used to it. It seems rather a long time from taking the T3 to getting the palpitations, as T3 has a half life of 8 hours I would have thought if you were getting it directly from the T3 it would be within a few hours of taking it.

Lilian

I would welcome some advice as I had a pretty scary incident last night.I am on 75 mcg of levothyroxine which I have been on for a long while.Its just 2 weeks tomorrow since Dr Burrows added 10 mcg of T3 to takein addition to the levothyroxine.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lizzie

I can understand how frightening such an experience must be. First, I would telephone Dr Burrows (he will not mind) and tell him what happened. He would be the best person to advise you on this., It might be the T4 (did Dr Burrows lower your dose of thyroxine when he added in T3?). If this wasn't lowered, I personally would think it could be that you are taking too much, and you might need to lower it to 50mcgs. Do you split your dose of T3? I know they are fiddly little tablets, but try to cut it in half and take half before breakfast and the other around 2.00p.m. That keeps the T3 spread evenly throughout the day, because it has a very short half life. It won't harm not to take any T4 today, but do speak with Dr Burrows and if he is not available, tell his secretary your problem and ask if he can call you back.

Luv - Sheila

Hi EveryoneI would welcome some advice as I had a pretty scary incident last night.I am on 75 mcg of levothyroxine which I have been on for a long while.Its just 2 weeks tomorrow since Dr Burrows added 10 mcg of T3 to takein addition to the levothyroxine. I take the T3 in the morning and theT4 at night. Everything seemed to be going well I was feeling better.However I was woken from my sleep last night 2 hours after taking theT4 with palpitations it felt as though my heart was bursting out of mychest and it was running at around 110 beats per minute but not regular.This went on for three hours with me trying to relax and calm it down.It has now settled back to normal. I was too frightened to take the T3this morning but I dont really want to stop it. I was wonderingwhether I should cut down my T4 as they happened 2 hours after takingthat. any advice would be gratefully received,as I am in a bit of aquandry about what the next step should be. Thanks love Lizzie

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Hi Lizzie,

This sounds adrenal to me, which would make sense as the T3 can put

quite a strain on them and things tend to kick off at night

unfortunately. Remind us what you are taking to support the

adrenals? It also could help to add magnesium to your suppliments

as I've found this very helpful with irregular heart beats.

Luv Bella

>

> Hi Everyone

> However I was woken from my sleep last night 2 hours after taking

the

> T4 with palpitations it felt as though my heart was bursting out

of my

> chest and it was running at around 110 beats per minute but not

regular.

> This went on for three hours with me trying to relax and calm it

down.

> It has now settled back to normal. I was too frightened to take

the T3

[Guest guest]

Hi Bella,

I am not taking anything for my adrenals other than 1000mg of vitamin C.

Love Lizzie

[Guest guest]

--Hi Sheila,

Thankyou for your advice. I have tried telephoning Dr Burrows but he

is on annual leave until monday. I was wondering whether I should have

reduced my T4 even though Dr Burrows had said to leave it the same,

you would think that because it happened two hours after I had taken

that and not after the T3 that it must have just tipped me over. I

havent taken the T3 this morning in case it set off the palpitations

again do you think I should leave out the T4 as well or just lower the

dose. I am only taking Vitamin C 1000 mg for my adrenals do you think

this may be a problem?

>

> I can understand how frightening such an experience must be. First,

I would telephone Dr Burrows (he will not mind) and tell him what

happened. He would be the best person to advise you on this., It might

be the T4 (did Dr Burrows lower your dose of thyroxine when he added

in T3?). If this wasn't lowered, I personally would think it could be

that you are taking too much, and you might need to lower it to

50mcgs. Do you split your dose of T3? I know they are fiddly little

tablets, but try to cut it in half and take half before breakfast and

the other around 2.00p.m. That keeps the T3 spread evenly throughout

the day, because it has a very short half life. It won't harm not to

take any T4 today, but do speak with Dr Burrows and if he is not

available, tell his secretary your problem and ask if he can call you

back.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lillian,

I take the 10mcg of T3 in a morning and haven't noticed any adverse

effects during the day, this is why I was wondering if it was the T4

causing the problem now that I am taking the extra T3 on top of it.

Love Lizzie

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone I would welcome some advice as I had a pretty scary incident last night. I am on 75 mcg of levothyroxine which I have been on for a long while. Its just 2 weeks tomorrow since Dr Burrows added 10 mcg of T3 to take in addition to the levothyroxine. I take the T3 in the morning and the T4 at night. Everything seemed to be going well I was feeling better. However I was woken from my sleep last night 2 hours after taking the T4 with palpitations it felt as though my heart was bursting out of my chest and it was running at around 110 beats per minute but not regular. This went on for three hours with me trying to relax and calm it down. It has now settled back to normal. I was too frightened to take the T3 this morning but I dont really want to stop it. I was wondering whether I should cut down my T4 as they happened 2 hours after taking that. any advice would be gratefully received,as

I am in a bit of a quandry about what the next step should be. Thanks love LizzieHi Lizzie,you would be better off splitting your dose of t3 into two and taking one in the morning with the T4 and the other dose of t3 at lunch if you have a mid day dip in energy.Taking T4 or Levothyroxine before bed is not to be recommended!Don't eat for a half hour until after you have taken your Levothyroxine T4 and your Tertroxin T3. If you take anything like multivitamins take them at lunch or dinner.Kind regardsnna

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Whenever doctors start to prescribe Liothyronine (t3) to be added to the thyroxine (T4) I believe they usually do reduce the T4. Until you can speak with Dr B on Monday, I would reduce it to 50 mcgs and tell him what you have done - and then be guided by what he suggests.

You could well have a problem with low adrenal reserve and if you do have this, it can be very difficult when taking thyroid hormone replacement for them to be absorbed by the body and do what they should be doing. Often when you start taking adrenal supplements, some people have found they can actually take less thyroid hormone as it is being better utilized. Go to our FILES and scroll down until you see Adrenal Questionnaire and answer the questions there - this will give you an idea whether you should be (a) getting a 24 hour adrenal salivary profile - or ( whether it might be an idea to start taking some form of adrenal supplements.

Luv - Sheila

--Hi Sheila,Thankyou for your advice. I have tried telephoning Dr Burrows but heis on annual leave until monday. I was wondering whether I should havereduced my T4 even though Dr Burrows had said to leave it the same,you would think that because it happened two hours after I had takenthat and not after the T3 that it must have just tipped me over. Ihavent taken the T3 this morning in case it set off the palpitationsagain do you think I should leave out the T4 as well or just lower thedose. I am only taking Vitamin C 1000 mg for my adrenals do you thinkthis may be a problem?> > I can understand how frightening such an experience must be. First,I would telephone Dr Burrows (he will not mind) and tell him whathappened. He would be the best person to advise you on this., It mightbe the T4 (did Dr Burrows lower your dose of thyroxine when he addedin T3?). If this wasn't lowered, I personally would think it could bethat you are taking too much, and you might need to lower it to50mcgs. Do you split your dose of T3? I know they are fiddly littletablets, but try to cut it in half and take half before breakfast andthe other around 2.00p.m. That keeps the T3 spread evenly throughoutthe day, because it has a very short half life. It won't harm not totake any T4 today, but do speak with Dr Burrows and if he is notavailable, tell his secretary your problem and ask if he can call youback.> > Luv - Sheila> > > >

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Hi nna

Good to have you around - how are you these days?

Have you seen the following paper "Effects of evening vs morning thyroxine ingestion on serum thyroid hormone profiles in hypothyroid patients" which was published in Clinical Endocrinology earlier this year?. The abstract can be viewed via http://pmid.us/17201800. This small study concluded:

"l-thyroxine taken at bedtime by patients with primary hypothyroidism is associated with higher thyroid hormone concentrations and lower TSH concentrations compared to the same l-thyroxine dose taken in the morning. At the same time, the circadian TSH rhythm stays intact. Our findings are best explained by a better gastrointestinal uptake of l-thyroxine during the night."

References

1) http://emc.medicines.org.uk/emc/assets/c/html/displaydoc.asp?documentid=181042) http://www.drugs.com/levothyroxine.html

Luv - Sheila

Hi EveryoneI would welcome some advice as I had a pretty scary incident last night.I am on 75 mcg of levothyroxine which I have been on for a long while.Its just 2 weeks tomorrow since Dr Burrows added 10 mcg of T3 to takein addition to the levothyroxine. I take the T3 in the morning and theT4 at night. Everything seemed to be going well I was feeling better.However I was woken from my sleep last night 2 hours after taking theT4 with palpitations it felt as though my heart was bursting out of mychest and it was running at around 110 beats per minute but not regular.This went on for three hours with me trying to relax and calm it down.It has now settled back to normal. I was too frightened to take the T3this morning but I dont really want to stop it. I was wonderingwhether I should cut down my T4 as they happened 2 hours after takingthat. any advice would be gratefully receive d,as I am in a bit of aquandry about what the next step should be. Thanks love LizzieHi Lizzie,you would be better off splitting your dose of t3 into two and taking one in the morning with the T4 and the other dose of t3 at lunch if you have a mid day dip in energy.Taking T4 or Levothyroxine before bed is not to be recommended!Don't eat for a half hour until after you have taken your Levothyroxine T4 and your Tertroxin T3. If you take anything like multivitamins take them at lunch or dinner.Kind regardsnna

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lizzie,

I think you've already had it suggested that you try taking the T4

in the morning? It's probably worth trying this first before

exploring other possible causes of your nighttime problems.

If you still find you are struggling then you could look at the

magnesium and adrenals as possible causes. It's always best to try

one thing at a time.

I take 300mg magnesium but that's the minimum really, some take

between 400 and 600mg. I'm still experimenting with it as regards

dosage and type of magnesium but I've heard the absolute best type is

believed to be magnesium chloride - I'm trying to find some at a

reasonable price at the moment.

Luv Bella

>

>

> Hi Bella,

>

> I am not taking anything for my adrenals other than 1000mg of

vitamin C.

> Love Lizzie

>

[Guest guest]

Well when the doctor was starting me on T3 he made me stop all thyroxine for a month before starting the T3. I then started with 10mcg of T3 every morning. After a week he increased it to another 10mcg lunch time then again after another week 10mcg in the evening as well. This went on increasing by 10 well over a couple of months, until I got to the stage where my body was telling me it didn't want the 20mcg in the evening and the 20 in the morning and 20mcg at lunch time was fine. After a few more days he introduced T4 back in - starting slowly again.

Eventually I got to where I was comfortablest. This worked out at 100mcg of T4 and 20 + 20 of T3.

However after a year I heard about Armour so decided I would take that instead. As my body was used to T3 I had no problems changing over to the Armour starting at 3 grains working up to 4. Stopped the T4 and T3 of course because Armour contains both.

Lilian

I take the 10mcg of T3 in a morning and haven't noticed any adverseeffects during the day, this is why I was wondering if it was the T4causing the problem now that I am taking the extra T3 on top of it.

[Guest guest]

I think (and this is based purely on my experiences) that if there

is a severe conversion or uptake problem, introducing T3 almost

straight away isn't such a bad thing.

I ground to a halt with my armour when severe headaches and hypo

kicked in, I'm assuming that I was thyrotoxic as I still can

tolerate only a tiny amount of armour. I wasn't even able to cope

for a day without anything, I became horribly hypo. So I started

straight away on T3 and found myself to be extremely sensitive to

it, however it got me through the day on tiny doses that amounted to

10mcg in total. I built this up pretty quickly though to about

30mcg. I just don't know how some doctors think that people can

survive on doses of only 10mcg for weeks on end. As an addition to

T4, I imagine that one would need to proceed much more carefully

though.

Luv Bella

>

> Well when the doctor was starting me on T3 he made me stop all

thyroxine for a month before starting the T3.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Thanks for the welcome. I am almost better after my two back

operations. Back to the question of timing your meds.

" At the same time, the circadian TSH rhythm stays intact. Our findings

are best explained by a better gastrointestinal uptake of l-thyroxine

during the night. "

The author you cited says that at end of the article. It says it is

explained by better absorption. What it does not say is that your

heart rate goes up within a half hour of taking levothyroxine and that

if you take it on an empty stomach at any time it is well absorbed.

In my research patients feel better when they take their dose of T4 in

the morning. You need energy during the day.

Why should we hypothyroid patients should take medication with water

first thing in the morning? Water washes the tablets you take right

down to your stomach and then the levothyroxine is more quickly

dispersed throughout the body.

Goitragenic and high fibre foods can interfere with absorption. Avoid

this by taking your medication first thing in the morning and without

food. Take any calcium at lunch or dinner.

Liel Y, Harman-Boehm I, Shany S. Evidence for a clinically important

adverse effect of fibre-enriched diet on the bioavailability of

levothyroxine in adult hypothyroid patients. J Clin Endocrinol Metab

1996;81:857–9.

D. A. Koutras also studied the affect of taking levothyroxine in the

morning and also staying with the same brand not changing it around.

The treacherous use of thyroxine preparations. Stability of thyroxine

preparations. Demetrios A Koutras. [Pubmed] [scholar]

lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:17003016 -

[Guest guest]

Selenium and transdermal magnesium chloride will often halt

palpitations. Niacin would be helpful as well.

>

> Hi,

>

> My history is located on this forum. I first wrote due to the pain

in

> my cervical spine/neck/occipital region/jaw/temple/etc. That is

still

> present but not as bad as it was.

>

> Currently I've been experiencing palpitations on and off and

postural

> dizziness, that former worsening over the past week. Last night the

> palpitations were very scary.

>

> I had thought it was due to my blood sugar but I don't think it is

> now. I also thought the salt loading might be causing the

palpitations

> but since I've not being doing it for weeks and the palps continue,

it

> can't be (I've just introduced it again today).

>

> My last test results for thyroid taken April 10 when I'd been taking

> 50 mcg thyroxine and no iodine:

>

> S Free T4: 15.0

> S Free T3: 4.1

> S TSH: 3.51

>

> My doc raised my thyroxine to 100 mcg Mon/Wed/Fri and 50 mcg the

other

> 4 days.

>

> Today I've only taken 25 mcg thyroxine and no Iodoral. I can't face

> those bad palps again tonight.

>

> Thanks for any thoughts.......LD

>

[Guest guest]

do you have your ranges with the lab work ? please post them and Ill show you at what percent you are of the range. My guess is that your free t4 is going to be much higher than your free t3 within the range and that usually causes the hear palps and that very wirey feeling for me. kathy

From: comdyne2002 <comdyne@...>Subject: Re: Palpitationsiodine Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 2:02 AM

Selenium and transdermal magnesium chloride will often halt palpitations. Niacin would be helpful as well.>> Hi,> > My history is located on this forum. I first wrote due to the pain in> my cervical spine/neck/occipita l region/jaw/temple/ etc. That is still> present but not as bad as it was.> > Currently I've been experiencing palpitations on and off and postural> dizziness, that former worsening over the past week. Last night the> palpitations were very scary. > > I had thought it was due to my blood sugar but I don't think it is> now. I also thought the salt loading might be causing the palpitations> but since I've not being doing it for weeks and the palps continue,

it> can't be (I've just introduced it again today).> > My last test results for thyroid taken April 10 when I'd been taking> 50 mcg thyroxine and no iodine:> > S Free T4: 15.0> S Free T3: 4.1> S TSH: 3.51> > My doc raised my thyroxine to 100 mcg Mon/Wed/Fri and 50 mcg the other> 4 days.> > Today I've only taken 25 mcg thyroxine and no Iodoral. I can't face> those bad palps again tonight. > > Thanks for any thoughts.... ...LD>

[Guest guest]

LD, hi there! i truly want to help if i can! my question 1st is "Why are you not taking natural thyroid hormone replacement, like Armour?" i'm on Armour for my third week. i have degenerative disc disease C1-C7. i have NO pain at all ssince i began the Armour, i do get a slight headache when i've forgotten to do a few neck stretches every few days tho'! duhhhhhhhhhh....can't figure that out! NOT! i believe and KNOW from other folks testimonies that most or all of our aches and pains will go away when our thyroid hormone requirements are fully met. sincerely, in love, sanditesa4trill <leithaldame@...> wrote: Hi,My history is located on this forum. I first wrote due to the pain inmy cervical spine/neck/occipital region/jaw/temple/etc. That is stillpresent but not as bad as it was.Currently I've been experiencing palpitations on and off and posturaldizziness, that former worsening over the past week. Last night thepalpitations were very scary. I had thought it was due to my blood sugar but I don't think it isnow. I also thought the salt loading might be causing the palpitationsbut since I've not being doing it for weeks and the palps continue, itcan't be (I've just introduced it again today).My last test results for thyroid taken April 10 when I'd been taking50 mcg thyroxine and no

iodine:S Free T4: 15.0S Free T3: 4.1S TSH: 3.51My doc raised my thyroxine to 100 mcg Mon/Wed/Fri and 50 mcg the other4 days.Today I've only taken 25 mcg thyroxine and no Iodoral. I can't facethose bad palps again tonight. Thanks for any thoughts.......LD

[Guest guest]

I had constant palps until I got enough Armour and adrenal meds (cortef). Too little meds and/or adrenal insufficiency can cause palps. Now I also take 100mg Iodoral with no probs Less than 50mg Iodoral would make me feel very zombie like.

Are you taking adrenal meds/support?

Gracia

Hi,My history is located on this forum. I first wrote due to the pain inmy cervical spine/neck/occipital region/jaw/temple/etc. That is stillpresent but not as bad as it was.Currently I've been experiencing palpitations on and off and posturaldizziness, that former worsening over the past week. Last night thepalpitations were very scary. I had thought it was due to my blood sugar but I don't think it isnow. I also thought the salt loading might be causing the palpitationsbut since I've not being doing it for weeks and the palps continue, itcan't be (I've just introduced it again today).My last test results for thyroid taken April 10 when I'd been taking50 mcg thyroxine and no iodine:S Free T4: 15.0S Free T3: 4.1S TSH: 3.51My doc raised my thyroxine to 100 mcg Mon/Wed/Fri and 50 mcg the other4 days.Today I've only taken 25 mcg thyroxine and no Iodoral. I can't facethose bad palps again tonight. Thanks for any thoughts.......LD

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Sat Jun 7, 2008 11:02 pm (PDT), comdyne2002 wrote:

" Selenium and transdermal magnesium chloride will often halt

palpitations. Niacin would be helpful as well. "

Hi, I'm using both of those daily and do the mag all night long

trying to stop the palps. I haven't tried niacin though. I

really want to find the cause. I forgot to mention that there is

some chest pain and difficulty in breathing as well. I get that now

and again as part and parcel of my overall health condition. On top

of that I think the iodine and salt loading, along with my daily C, could

be killing pathogens as well. I didn't take iodine and

lowered thyroxine to 25 mcg yesterday and today 25 mcg again with 1

Iodoral.

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Sun Jun 8, 2008 10:33 pm, kathleen wrote: " do you have your ranges

with the lab work ? please post them and Ill show you at what percent you

are of the range. My guess is that your free t4 is going to be much

higher than your free t3 within the range and that usually causes the

hear palps and that very wirey feeling for me. "

Hi Kathy,

S Free T4: 15.0 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (9.0-19.0)

S Free T3: 4.1 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (2.6-6.0)

S TSH: 3.51 = Units: mU/L -- Range (0.30-5.00)

Thanks for looking at these for me. I'm interested to hear what you

think.

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Mon Jun 9, 2008 1:52 am, Sandi wrote: " LD, hi there! i truly

want to help if i can! my question 1st is " Why are you not

taking natural thyroid hormone replacement, like Armour? "

Hi Sandi,

My doc says that I don't need Armour because my T4 is converting to T3

fine. I don't even know if we can get Armour here in

Australia.

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Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:49 am, Gracia wrote: " I had constant palps until I

got enough Armour and adrenal meds (cortef). Too little meds and/or

adrenal insufficiency can cause palps. Now I also take 100mg

Iodoral with no probs Less than 50mg Iodoral would make me feel

very zombie like. Are you taking adrenal

meds/support? "

No adrenal support. Had tests years ago and nothing showed

up. I can't seem to raise the Iodoral due to pain (killing

pathogens maybe) and palpitations. I could be wrong about it

causing the palps but it was marginally less last night when I didn't

take any iodine and lowered my thyroxine to 25 mcg yesterday.

I'm on a low-carb diet for Insulin resistance. I have lymphoedema,

lge, bi-lateral, multiple cysts on ovaries, FMS, obesity, insomnia, etc.,

which I treat with various things.

Thanks for all your thoughtful comments..........LD

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>

> Hi, > > My history is located on this forum. I first wrote due

to the pain in> my cervical spine/neck/occipital

region/jaw/temple/etc. That is still > present but not as bad as it

was.> > Currently I've been experiencing palpitations on and off

and postural

> dizziness, that former worsening over the past week. Last night the

> palpitations were very scary.

>

> I had thought it was due to my blood sugar but I don't think it is

> now. I also thought the salt loading might be causing the

palpitations > but since I've not being doing it for weeks and the

palps continue, it > can't be (I've just introduced it again

today).

> > My last test results for thyroid taken April 10 when I'd been

taking > 50 mcg thyroxine and no iodine:

> > S Free T4: 15.0

> S Free T3: 4.1

> S TSH: 3.51

>

> My doc raised my thyroxine to 100 mcg Mon/Wed/Fri and 50 mcg the

other > 4 days.

>

> Today I've only taken 25 mcg thyroxine and no Iodoral. I can't

face> those bad palps again tonight. >

> Thanks for any thoughts.......LD>

[Guest guest]

Just curious because I get palpatations too and the first time I had

them it seems that it was attributable to mitral valve prolapse. When

was the last time you had your heart checked? Another thing is that

the other night I had a reaction to the ice coffee from Mcs with

palpatations, light headedness, etc. Do you think you might be eating

something that might be bringing on the palpatations?

phine.

" Selenium and

> transdermal magnesium chloride will often halt palpitations. Niacin

> would be helpful as well. "

>

> Hi, I'm using both of those daily and do the mag all night long

> trying to stop the palps. I haven't tried niacin though. I really

> want to find the cause. I forgot to mention that there is some chest

> pain and difficulty in breathing as well. I get that now and again

> as part and parcel of my overall health condition.

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Vogel noticed many patients troubled by palpitations shortly after iodine was introduced. While the incidence of hypothyroidism caused by iodine deficiency markedly declined, the incidence of hyperthyroidism escalated. Vogel explains that it’s the unnatural formulation of supplemental iodine that causes the problem. Sources: http://www.oncolink.upenn.edu/support/fa... http://www.thyca.org/rai.htm Vogel, HCA, The Nature Doctor: A Manual of Traditional Complementary Medicine, English Edition, New York, Instant Improvement Publishing, 1991.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=879829 This lady blames parasites for the problem. So anyway, I'm about two months into this Iodine experiment and I'm experiencing mroe heart palpitations, only they are a different kind. ... The heart palpitations I'm experiencing now are strong, not just a gurgling sensation. It seems to be happening a few minutes after taking iodine. It doesn't scare me, however. Actually, it feels good, makes me think my heart is getting stronger, trying to evict the worm that has been nested in it for years. I suspect the little fluttering sensations of the past have been the babies hatching out and migrating. ...

Other symptoms referable to the nervous system are produced by Iodine ; such as anxiety, palpitation of the heart, sleeplessness, painful dreams, headache, books.google.com.au/books?isbn=8170213614

And various other sources connect it with rather too much iodine.

My palpitations got so scary I stopped the iodine and started reading more widely.

Now I just have the (topical) iodine in smaller quantities less frequently.

Rowena

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you sound undertreated for thyroid and maybe need a med with more than T4 in it. I also associate palps with low adrenal function. IMO it might be better to get ENOUGH meds and iodine, not too little.

Gracia

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Sat Jun 7, 2008 11:02 pm (PDT), comdyne2002 wrote: "Selenium and transdermal magnesium chloride will often halt palpitations. Niacin would be helpful as well."Hi, I'm using both of those daily and do the mag all night long trying to stop the palps. I haven't tried niacin though. I really want to find the cause. I forgot to mention that there is some chest pain and difficulty in breathing as well. I get that now and again as part and parcel of my overall health condition. On top of that I think the iodine and salt loading, along with my daily C, could be killing pathogens as well. I didn't take iodine and lowered thyroxine to 25 mcg yesterday and today 25 mcg again with 1 Iodoral.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Sun Jun 8, 2008 10:33 pm, kathleen wrote: "do you have your ranges with the lab work ? please post them and Ill show you at what percent you are of the range. My guess is that your free t4 is going to be much higher than your free t3 within the range and that usually causes the hear palps and that very wirey feeling for me."Hi Kathy, S Free T4: 15.0 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (9.0-19.0)S Free T3: 4.1 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (2.6-6.0)S TSH: 3.51 = Units: mU/L -- Range (0.30-5.00)Thanks for looking at these for me. I'm interested to hear what you think.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mon Jun 9, 2008 1:52 am, Sandi wrote: "LD, hi there! i truly want to help if i can! my question 1st is "Why are you not taking natural thyroid hormone replacement, like Armour?" Hi Sandi, My doc says that I don't need Armour because my T4 is converting to T3 fine. I don't even know if we can get Armour here in Australia.------------------------------------------------------Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:49 am, Gracia wrote: "I had constant palps until I got enough Armour and adrenal meds (cortef). Too little meds and/or adrenal insufficiency can cause palps. Now I also take 100mg Iodoral with no probs Less than 50mg Iodoral would make me feel very zombie like. Are you taking adrenal meds/support?"No adrenal support. Had tests years ago and nothing showed up. I can't seem to raise the Iodoral due to pain (killing pathogens maybe) and palpitations. I could be wrong about it causing the palps but it was marginally less last night when I didn't take any iodine and lowered my thyroxine to 25 mcg yesterday.I'm on a low-carb diet for Insulin resistance. I have lymphoedema, lge, bi-lateral, multiple cysts on ovaries, FMS, obesity, insomnia, etc., which I treat with various things.Thanks for all your thoughtful comments..........LD------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->> Hi, > > My history is located on this forum. I first wrote due to the pain in> my cervical spine/neck/occipital region/jaw/temple/etc. That is still > present but not as bad as it was.> > Currently I've been experiencing palpitations on and off and postural> dizziness, that former worsening over the past week. Last night the > palpitations were very scary. > > I had thought it was due to my blood sugar but I don't think it is > now. I also thought the salt loading might be causing the palpitations > but since I've not being doing it for weeks and the palps continue, it > can't be (I've just introduced it again today).> > My last test results for thyroid taken April 10 when I'd been taking > 50 mcg thyroxine and no iodine:> > S Free T4: 15.0> S Free T3: 4.1> S TSH: 3.51> > My doc raised my thyroxine to 100 mcg Mon/Wed/Fri and 50 mcg the other > 4 days.> > Today I've only taken 25 mcg thyroxine and no Iodoral. I can't face> those bad palps again tonight. > > Thanks for any thoughts.......LD>

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Hi,

I'm new here, my name is Anne. I had some palpitations with Lugols on 2 drops daily. I couldn't understand why, until I worked out that it was aspartame. I was eating ice lollies I had made, with a fruit drink containing aspartame. For a few years I have not used any artificial sweeteners. As soon as I stopped the artificial sweeteners, the palpitations went. If you check on side effects from artificial sweeteners (especially aspartame) palpitations is one of them.

Hope this helps.

Re: Palpitations

Just curious because I get palpatations too and the first time I hadthem it seems that it was attributable to mitral valve prolapse. Whenwas the last time you had your heart checked? Another thing is thatthe other night I had a reaction to the ice coffee from Mcs withpalpatations, light headedness, etc. Do you think you might be eatingsomething that might be bringing on the palpatations? phine. "Selenium and > transdermal magnesium chloride will often halt palpitations. Niacin > would be helpful as well."> > Hi, I'm using both of those daily and do the mag all night long > trying to stop the palps. I haven't tried niacin

though. I really > want to find the cause. I forgot to mention that there is some chest > pain and difficulty in breathing as well. I get that now and again > as part and parcel of my overall health condition.

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