Palpitations

[Guest guest]

Thank-you. I am guessing that most of our palpitations are caused by

the food we are eating. Aspartame seems to in everything sweetened and

I am thinking that it might probably have been in the iced coffee I

had the other night that really frightened me. phine

-- In iodine , Anne Meynell <meyneanne@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

> I'm new here, my name is Anne.  I had some palpitations with

Lugols on 2 drops daily.  I couldn't understand why, until I worked

out that it was aspartame.  I was eating ice lollies I had

made, with a fruit drink containing aspartame.  For a few years I

have not used any artificial sweeteners.  As soon as I stopped the

artificial sweeteners, the palpitations went.  If you check on side

effects from artificial sweeteners (especially aspartame) palpitations

is one of them.

> Hope this helps.

>

>

>

> Re: Palpitations

>

>

> Just curious because I get palpatations too and the first time I had

> them it seems that it was attributable to mitral valve prolapse. When

> was the last time you had your heart checked? Another thing is that

> the other night I had a reaction to the ice coffee from Mcs with

> palpatations, light headedness, etc. Do you think you might be eating

> something that might be bringing on the palpatations?

> phine.

>

> " Selenium and

> > transdermal magnesium chloride will often halt palpitations. Niacin

> > would be helpful as well. "

> >

> > Hi, I'm using both of those daily and do the mag all night long

> > trying to stop the palps. I haven't tried niacin though. I really

> > want to find the cause. I forgot to mention that there is some chest

> > pain and difficulty in breathing as well. I get that now and again

> > as part and parcel of my overall health condition.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

hi friends and buddies! i've been having palpitations on and off lately and realized it's when i'm having too many sweets and too much coffee! didn't do that at all today and No palps! HMMMMMMMMMM...i hate giving up my coffee, guess i'll just cut back on it a bit! sandijlkinkona <josephine@...> wrote: Thank-you. I am guessing that most of our palpitations are caused bythe food we are eating. Aspartame seems to in everything sweetened andI am thinking that it might

probably have been in the iced coffee Ihad the other night that really frightened me. phine-- In iodine , Anne Meynell <meyneanne@...> wrote:>> Hi,> I'm new here, my name is Anne.  I had some palpitations withLugols on 2 drops daily.  I couldn't understand why, until I workedout that it was aspartame.  I was eating ice lollies I hadmade, with a fruit drink containing aspartame.  For a few years Ihave not used any artificial sweeteners.  As soon as I stopped theartificial sweeteners, the palpitations went.  If you check on sideeffects from artificial sweeteners (especially aspartame) palpitationsis one of them.> Hope this helps.> > > > Re: Palpitations> > > Just curious because I get palpatations too and the first time I had> them it seems that it was attributable to mitral valve prolapse. When> was the last time you had your heart checked? Another thing is that> the other night I had a reaction to the ice coffee from Mcs with> palpatations, light headedness, etc. Do you think you might be eating> something that might be bringing on the palpatations? > phine.> > "Selenium and > > transdermal magnesium chloride will often halt palpitations. Niacin > > would be helpful as well."> > > > Hi,

I'm using both of those daily and do the mag all night long > > trying to stop the palps. I haven't tried niacin though. I really > > want to find the cause. I forgot to mention that there is some chest > > pain and difficulty in breathing as well. I get that now and again > > as part and parcel of my overall health condition. > > > > > __________________________________________________________> Sent from .> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html>

[Guest guest]

Re: Palpitations

Hi phine,

It's quite a few years since I last had my heart checked. I don't

think this has anything to do with what I'm eating at the moment. I

usually get the palps when I eat too high carb foods but I only had

dizziness once before. It was when I was taking an abx to kill

pathogens during my time on the Marshall protocol. I suppose the

dizziness could be due to pathogen killing when taking iodine.

I've asked my doc for some more tests and stopped the iodine for

now. I just need to scale back a bit on treatments as it is getting

too confusing.

Thanks for your thoughts phine ............LD

Sun Jun 8, 2008 11:51 pm (PDT)

Just curious because I get palpatations too and the

first time I had

them it seems that it was attributable to mitral valve prolapse.

When

was the last time you had your heart checked? Another thing is that

the other night I had a reaction to the ice coffee from Mcs

with

palpatations, light headedness, etc. Do you think you might be

eating

something that might be bringing on the palpatations? phine.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Rowena,

As you see from my previous message. I've stopped for a time

myself. My palps are the heavier, thudding type and often feels

like I'm missing a beat. I've put a call into my doc to see what

she thinks. She didn't object to my taking the iodine and in fact

was interested to see the outcome. I wouldn't be at all surprised

to find that iodine is killing pathogens and maybe even in my heart,

although I have no idea what might be in there.

Thanks.........LD

Mon Jun 9, 2008 1:05 am (PDT)

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/graves_disease/71571

Vogel noticed many patients troubled by palpitations shortly after

iodine was introduced. While the incidence of hypothyroidism caused by

iodine deficiency markedly declined, the incidence of hyperthyroidism

escalated. Vogel explains that it's the unnatural formulation of

supplemental iodine that causes the problem. Sources:

http://www.oncolink.upenn.edu/support/fa...

http://www.thyca.org/rai.htm Vogel, HCA, The Nature Doctor: A Manual

of Traditional Complementary Medicine, English Edition, New York, Instant

Improvement Publishing, 1991.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=879829

This lady blames parasites for the problem. So anyway, I'm about two

months into this Iodine experiment and I'm experiencing mroe heart

palpitations, only they are a different kind. ... The heart palpitations

I'm experiencing now are strong, not just a gurgling sensation. It seems

to be happening a few minutes after taking iodine. It doesn't scare me,

however. Actually, it feels good, makes me think my heart is getting

stronger, trying to evict the worm that has been nested in it for years.

I suspect the little fluttering sensations of the past have been the

babies hatching out and migrating. ...

Other symptoms referable to the nervous system are produced by Iodine ;

such as anxiety, palpitation of the heart, sleeplessness, painful dreams,

headache, books.google.com.au/books?isbn=8170213614

And various other sources connect it with rather too much

iodine.

My palpitations got so scary I stopped the iodine and started reading

more widely.

Now I just have the (topical) iodine in smaller quantities less

frequently.

Rowena

[Guest guest]

I went for a follow up visit to see my doctor today after last

Friday's ordeal with palpitations and feeling faint and she said that

she didn't think it was the Mc's ice coffee at all because I

drank that 4 hours before. She said that it was probably attributable

to the Korean hot sauce that I had eaten with some chicken just before

the palpitations started. Sorry for bashing the Mc's ice coffee.

In any case, I have to go through all the heart tests again just to

make sure that my mitral valve prolapse hasn't worsened. phine

>

> hi friends and buddies! i've been having palpitations on and off

lately and realized it's when i'm having too many sweets and too much

coffee! didn't do that at all today and No palps! HMMMMMMMMMM...i

hate giving up my coffee, guess i'll just cut back on it a bit!

>

> sandi

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Just wanted to say that I don't drink coffee and only

drink decaffeinated tea. And that rarely these days. I don't

use anything with aspartame but I do use xylitol. It's never

produced palps before and stopping iodine has definitely lessened

them. There are times when I experience them at a much lesser

degree if I use too many carbs.

A few days off iodine should tell me if the palps or the burning head

pain I'm getting has anything to do with the iodine. Then I'll need

to work out if it's due to killing pathogens or I need to balance my

thyroxine and iodine better.

Thanks.....LD

[Guest guest]

Low blood sugar 4 hours after coffee is a possibility. USually an

adrenal issue.

Savvy

-- In iodine , " jlkinkona " <josephine@...> wrote:

>

> I went for a follow up visit to see my doctor today after last

> Friday's ordeal with palpitations and feeling faint and she said

that

> she didn't think it was the Mc's ice coffee at all because I

> drank that 4 hours before. She said that it was probably

attributable

> to the Korean hot sauce that I had eaten with some chicken just

before

> the palpitations started. Sorry for bashing the Mc's ice

coffee.

> In any case, I have to go through all the heart tests again just to

> make sure that my mitral valve prolapse hasn't worsened.

phine

>

>

>

> >

> > hi friends and buddies! i've been having palpitations on and off

> lately and realized it's when i'm having too many sweets and too

much

> coffee! didn't do that at all today and No palps! HMMMMMMMMMM...i

> hate giving up my coffee, guess i'll just cut back on it a bit!

> >

> > sandi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It's so good to hear all your input. Reminds one of things "it could have been".

I stopped coffee (again) recently to take some homeopathics. I don't think I've had palps since.

Could be.

Another possibility. With the weather being so much colder where I live now, drinking water is not as attractive. Drinking at all is a chore. This reminds me that I read that palpitation can occur when one is not drinking enough because the blood volume is reduced and the heart having a hard time.

Here is one quote about that:

Another concept in TCM is that dehydration can also cause Heart Palpitations. A simplistic way of understanding this is that when you are dehydrated, the water content in your whole body is less than adequate. This can affect over all blood volume. That refers to the water content in the blood. TCM looks at this like a drying up of the blood, as it were. It's actually true in western terms as well. On a blood test this will often show up as, ironically a high hemaglobin. This is a measurement of the iron in the blood, which is only found in the reds blood cells. It's becoming more concentrated because the water in the blood is less. Blood should be two parts red blood cells to three parts water. All this means is that there is less blood circulating in the body. TCM looks at this as a reason for palpitations in the otherwise normal heart as an attempt to get more blood. The heart says-"I'll go faster, and thereby get more blood".

http://disabilityarticles.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html

This website also mentioned other possible causes and cures for palpitation.

Walt Stoll MD: "Yet Watkins says the floppy mitral valve is a red herring. It's just another symptom that can be traced to a glitch, called dysautonomia, in the autonomic nervous system, the body's control center for monitoring and adjusting your vital signs. The end result is low blood volume -- meaning the body has 80 - 85 percent of the fluid it's supposed to -- which can lead to dizziness, heartbeat irregularities, chest pain, panic attacks, and most commonly, fatigue. It's like being in a state of chronic dehydration. . . But about 15 years ago Watkins and a fellow cardiologist separately discovered something very interesting. In studies of patients with MVPS, Gaffney, a Houston practitioner, noticed that they all had unusually low blood volume. Gaffney was also a consultant to NASA, and he observed that when astronauts return from space, their blood volume takes a nosedive and they experience effects similar to those of MVPS. . . . "If you take a patient with prolapse, turn her upside down, dump out all the fluid from her arteries and veins, it's only about 80 percent of what it should be. You're down to a quart." He theorizes that a faulty feedback mechanism in the brain fails to signal the body that it needs more water. "It thinks the tank is full when it isn't." ..... Watkins pins this, too, on low blood volume. As with light-headedness, one of the body's compensating mechanisms is to blame. When fluid levels drop, adrenaline is called into service to rev heart rate. The less blood there is circulating, the faster the body needs to have oxygen, nutrients, and waste shuttled to and from its cells. The result is that people with low blood volume suffer a chronic excess of adrenaline. "If you've got all this adrenaline going all the time, you can get awfully anxious," Watkins notes. ..... some cases of chronic fatigue syndrome may derive from the same autonomic nervous system disorder that lies behind MVPS. People with chronic fatigue don't necessarily have low blood volume, but their bodies act as if they do.... And Rowe had cured these patients with the same treatment Watkins recommends for MVPS. ... Finally, a friend of hers recognized her problem and lent her a book on MVPS, which contained advice similar to what Watkins gives. "I went cold turkey on caffeine, drank more water and ate more salt, and started exercising for the first time in my life," Ayers says. By the time she found a doctor who understood MVPS she was already starting to feel like her old self again. Ayers eventually founded a support group for MVPS sufferers. "I don't want anyone else to get the treatment I got -- or didn't get." http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/mvp/160163.html

also http://www.mvprolapse.com/article_tired.html

R

[Guest guest]

" I went cold turkey on caffeine, drank more water and ate more salt,

and started exercising for the first time in my life, "

I don't drink caffeine but I started watching how much water I drink

quite some time ago. I take a lot of sea salt on food, Celtic or

Himalayan salt in my Vit C these days and bought a Zen Chi machine about

a month or so ago so I'm finally getting some exercise.

I've always been a bit wary of driving the thyroid if one has infections

in the body but I thought iodine was a good way to go.

Rowena, what is a 'natural' iodine product? Kelp?

I'm adding my test results here again for Kathy:

S Free T4: 15.0 = Units: pmol/L -- Range

(9.0-19.0)

S Free T3: 4.1 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (2.6-6.0)

S TSH: 3.51 = Units: mU/L -- Range (0.30-5.00)

My basal temp is always low. Today it was: 36.1C

The palps certainly have stopped since I stopped the Iodoral so it looks

like that or the combo of thyroxine has something to do with them.

However, I've a request in with my doc to get some heart, adrenal and

other tests so maybe I'll learn something from that.

Thanks.........LD

[Guest guest]

>

LD, heres the scoop on your labs:

Free t4 (15.9-9.0)/ (19.0-9.0)*100 = 60%

Free t3 (4.1 - 2.6)/(6.0-2.6)*100 = 44%

Optimal Ft3 and Ft4 levels for a childbearing age female is 60 to 80

% of the range,your ft's should be within 10% of each other for

balance. your tsh is also higher than the new lower standard of .03-

3.0. kathy

> I'm adding my test results here again for Kathy:

>

> S Free T4: 15.0 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (9.0-19.0)

> S Free T3: 4.1 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (2.6-6.0)

> S TSH: 3.51 = Units: mU/L -- Range (0.30-5.00)

>

> My basal temp is always low. Today it was: 36.1C

>

> The palps certainly have stopped since I stopped the Iodoral so it

> looks like that or the combo of thyroxine has something to do with

> them. However, I've a request in with my doc to get some heart,

> adrenal and other tests so maybe I'll learn something from that.

>

> Thanks.........LD

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> LD, heres the scoop on your labs:

> Free t4 (15.9-9.0)/ (19.0-9.0)*100 = 60%

> Free t3 (4.1 - 2.6)/(6.0-2.6)*100 = 44%

>

> Optimal Ft3 and Ft4 levels for a childbearing age female is 60 to

80

> % of the range,your ft's should be within 10% of each other for

> balance. your tsh is also higher than the new lower standard

of .03-

> 3.0. kathy

>

> > I'm adding my test results here again for Kathy:

> >

> > S Free T4: 15.0 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (9.0-19.0)

> > S Free T3: 4.1 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (2.6-6.0)

> > S TSH: 3.51 = Units: mU/L -- Range (0.30-5.00)

> >

> > My basal temp is always low. Today it was: 36.1C

> >

> > The palps certainly have stopped since I stopped the Iodoral so

it

> > looks like that or the combo of thyroxine has something to do

with

> > them. However, I've a request in with my doc to get some heart,

> > adrenal and other tests so maybe I'll learn something from that.

> >

> > Thanks.........LD

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this info on Dr. Stoll...The idea that chronic

dehydration would cause lower bloodvolume which in turn over time

will consequentually lead to a smaller heart, apart from the mitral

valve, which will eventually show up as the sound of Mitral Valve

Prolapse Syndrome, MVPS, sounds reasonable to me...If one drinks

water when thirsty and is physically active, then the heartmuscle

will adapt to this active lifestyle, as opposed to staying indoors

drinking coffee, and not be particularly physically active, then the

heartmuscle will adapt accordingly, eventually getting so small as to

come up with this MVPS...The evidence that caffeine is dehydrating

the body seems to not have been found yet, though, according to what

comes up when googling caffeine and dehydration, e.g.:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/health/nutrition/04real.html

on the other hand, Dr. Batmanghelidj seems to have thought

otherwise...see:

http://www.betterwayhealth.com/water-cure.asp

Perhaps the truth about the role of coffee and caffeine in human

health is as hard to find for ordinary people as is the role of

iodine, due to the financial interests promoting coffee and

medicines...?

.

>

> It's so good to hear all your input. Reminds one of things " it

could have been " .

>

> I stopped coffee (again) recently to take some homeopathics. I

don't think I've had palps since.

> Could be.

>

> Another possibility. With the weather being so much colder where I

live now, drinking water is not as attractive. Drinking at all is a

chore. This reminds me that I read that palpitation can occur when

one is not drinking enough because the blood volume is reduced and

the heart having a hard time.

>

> Here is one quote about that:

> Another concept in TCM is that dehydration can also cause Heart

Palpitations. A simplistic way of understanding this is that when you

are dehydrated, the water content in your whole body is less than

adequate. This can affect over all blood volume. That refers to the

water content in the blood.

> TCM looks at this like a drying up of the blood, as it were. It's

actually true in western terms as well. On a blood test this will

often show up as, ironically a high hemaglobin. This is a measurement

of the iron in the blood, which is only found in the reds blood

cells. It's becoming more concentrated because the water in the blood

is less. Blood should be two parts red blood cells to three parts

water.

> All this means is that there is less blood circulating in the body.

TCM looks at this as a reason for palpitations in the otherwise

normal heart as an attempt to get more blood. The heart says- " I'll go

faster, and thereby get more blood " .

> http://disabilityarticles.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html

> This website also mentioned other possible causes and cures for

palpitation.

>

> Walt Stoll MD: " Yet Watkins says the floppy mitral valve is a red

herring. It's just another symptom that can be traced to a glitch,

called dysautonomia, in the autonomic nervous system, the body's

control center for monitoring and adjusting your vital signs. The end

result is low blood volume -- meaning the body has 80 - 85 percent of

the fluid it's supposed to -- which can lead to dizziness, heartbeat

irregularities, chest pain, panic attacks, and most commonly,

fatigue. It's like being in a state of chronic dehydration. . . But

about 15 years ago Watkins and a fellow cardiologist separately

discovered something very interesting. In studies of patients with

MVPS, Gaffney, a Houston practitioner, noticed that they all

had unusually low blood volume. Gaffney was also a consultant to

NASA, and he observed that when astronauts return from space, their

blood volume takes a nosedive and they experience effects similar to

those of MVPS. . . . " If you take a patient with prolapse, turn her

upside down, dump out all the fluid from her arteries and veins, it's

only about 80 percent of what it should be. You're down to a quart. "

He theorizes that a faulty feedback mechanism in the brain fails to

signal the body that it needs more water. " It thinks the tank is full

when it isn't. " ..... Watkins pins this, too, on low blood volume. As

with light-headedness, one of the body's compensating mechanisms is

to blame. When fluid levels drop, adrenaline is called into service

to rev heart rate. The less blood there is circulating, the faster

the body needs to have oxygen, nutrients, and waste shuttled to and

from its cells. The result is that people with low blood volume

suffer a chronic excess of adrenaline. " If you've got all this

adrenaline going all the time, you can get awfully anxious, " Watkins

notes. ..... some cases of chronic fatigue syndrome may derive from

the same autonomic nervous system disorder that lies behind MVPS.

People with chronic fatigue don't necessarily have low blood volume,

but their bodies act as if they do.... And Rowe had cured these

patients with the same treatment Watkins recommends for MVPS. ...

Finally, a friend of hers recognized her problem and lent her a book

on MVPS, which contained advice similar to what Watkins gives. " I

went cold turkey on caffeine, drank more water and ate more salt, and

started exercising for the first time in my life, " Ayers says. By the

time she found a doctor who understood MVPS she was already starting

to feel like her old self again. Ayers eventually founded a support

group for MVPS sufferers. " I don't want anyone else to get the

treatment I got -- or didn't get. "

http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/mvp/160163.html

>

> also http://www.mvprolapse.com/article_tired.html

>

> R

>

[Guest guest]

I believe that L-Arginine also helps to stabilize heart rhythm.

4b. Re: Palpitations Posted by: "comdyne2002" comdyne@... comdyne2002 Date: Sat Jun 7, 2008 11:02 pm ((PDT))Selenium and transdermal magnesium chloride will often halt palpitations. Niacin would be helpful as well.>> Hi,> > My history is located on this forum. I first wrote due to the pain in> my cervical spine/neck/occipital region/jaw/temple/etc. That is still> present but not as bad as it was.> > Currently I've been experiencing palpitations on and off and postural> dizziness, that former worsening over the past week. Last night the> palpitations were very scary. > > I had thought it was due to my blood sugar but I don't think it is> now. I also thought the salt loading might be causing the palpitations> but since I've not being doing it for weeks and the palps continue, it> can't be (I've just introduced it again today).> > My last test results for thyroid taken April 10 when I'd been taking> 50 mcg thyroxine and no iodine:> > S Free T4: 15.0> S Free T3: 4.1> S TSH: 3.51> > My doc raised my thyroxine to 100 mcg Mon/Wed/Fri and 50 mcg the other> 4 days.> > Today I've only taken 25 mcg thyroxine and no Iodoral. I can't face> those bad palps again tonight. > > Thanks for any thoughts.......LD>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathy. I'm actually well into menopause at 62

yoa (partial hysterectomy at 34 yoa and early menopause around 38 yoa).

What do you advise re taking thyroxine? I'm taking 100 mcg

Mon/Wed/Fri and 50 mcg the remaining days. My situation is not my

doc's fault. I never go to see her as she's miles away and I won't

go to anyone else, so she depends on me getting tests (which she sends

paperwork for) and then she writes RX or advises what I might consider

doing. She accepts me as the authority in my own life and I get

slack due to how ill I feel. I've got more tests lined up to do now

and 24 hour adrenal is one of them.

The palpitations stopped when I stopped the Iodoral but I do want to get

back to it so I'm hoping I can find out the reason they are causing the

palps. I was also doing the salt loading in the hope I could

release bromines/fluorines before going back to iodine. I continued

with the Celtic Salt and Vit C after stopping the iodine but that ended

up causing intolerable pain in hiatus hernia, which hadn't been active

since starting low carb diet over 10 years ago! It was probably

killing some pathogen but it certainly needs to be gentler!

Basal temp today 35.8 (well it's not really basal as I take it once I'm

up and sitting at my computer. It could be lower if I took it in

bed. I'm just not conscious enough to do that though.

It's all so difficult to work out!

Thanks Kathy.............LD

Re: Palpitations

Posted by: " kathy " alikat709@... alikat709

Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:31 pm (PDT)

LD, heres the scoop on your labs:

Free t4 (15.9-9.0)/ (19.0-9.0)*100 = 60%

Free t3 (4.1 - 2.6)/(6.0-2.6)*100 = 44%

Optimal Ft3 and Ft4 levels for a childbearing age female is 60 to 80

% of the range,your ft's should be within 10% of each other for

balance. your tsh is also higher than the new lower standard of .03-

3.0. kathy

> I'm adding my test results here again for Kathy:

>

> S Free T4: 15.0 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (9.0-19.0)

> S Free T3: 4.1 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (2.6-6.0)

> S TSH: 3.51 = Units: mU/L -- Range (0.30-5.00)

>

> My basal temp is always low. Today it was: 36.1C

>

> The palps certainly have stopped since I stopped the Iodoral so it

> looks like that or the combo of thyroxine has something to do with

> them. However, I've a request in with my doc to get some heart,

> adrenal and other tests so maybe I'll learn something from

that.

>

> Thanks.........LD

[Guest guest]

Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:35 pm (PDT)

> >

> LD, heres the scoop on your labs:

> Free t4 (15.9-9.0)/ (19.0-9.0)*100 = 60%

> Free t3 (4.1 - 2.6)/(6.0-2.6)*100 = 44%

>

> Optimal Ft3 and Ft4 levels for a childbearing age female is 60 to

80

> % of the range,your ft's should be within 10% of each other for

> balance. your tsh is also higher than the new lower standard

of .03-

> 3.0. kathy

>

> > I'm adding my test results here again for Kathy:

> >

> > S Free T4: 15.0 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (9.0-19.0)

> > S Free T3: 4.1 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (2.6-6.0)

> > S TSH: 3.51 = Units: mU/L -- Range (0.30-5.00)

> >

> > My basal temp is always low. Today it was: 36.1C

> >

> > The palps certainly have stopped since I stopped the Iodoral so

it

> > looks like that or the combo of thyroxine has something to do

with

> > them. However, I've a request in with my doc to get some heart,

> > adrenal and other tests so maybe I'll learn something from that.

> >

> > Thanks.........LD

[Guest guest]

I too was doing the synthroid 150 mcg/175 mcg every day rotating doses. I ended up hyper,way too much t4 which I don't think I am converting well, then when Im on straight 150 mcg I go hypo .I just switched to armour ,today was day 6, no improvement yet ( I think the dose is to low) I am only on 1 grain, I am calling the doc tomorrow.

Anyway since you are past the menopause stage lol You would need slightly lower Ft4 values you would be ok in the 40 to 70 % range.So according to your labs you ok on the ft4 but the ft3 looked a bit low (don't you agree) ? I would probably try upping the thyroid meds a little (maybe an extra day of the 100's) and see how you do .

The other thing I want to pass along is this tidbit of info on the balance issue:

If your Fts are not within 10% of each other then something may be off in your conversion process, adrenal t3 conversion suppression, or pituitary request for t4 to t3 conversion.

kathy

From: Leithal Dame <leithaldame@...>Subject: Re: Palpitationsiodine Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 10:58 PM

Thanks Kathy. I'm actually well into menopause at 62 yoa (partial hysterectomy at 34 yoa and early menopause around 38 yoa). What do you advise re taking thyroxine? I'm taking 100 mcg Mon/Wed/Fri and 50 mcg the remaining days. My situation is not my doc's fault. I never go to see her as she's miles away and I won't go to anyone else, so she depends on me getting tests (which she sends paperwork for) and then she writes RX or advises what I might consider doing. She accepts me as the authority in my own life and I get slack due to how ill I feel. I've got more tests lined up to do now and 24 hour adrenal is one of them.The palpitations stopped when I stopped the Iodoral but I do want to get back to it so I'm hoping I can find out the reason they are causing the palps. I was also doing the salt loading in the hope I could release bromines/fluorines before going back to iodine. I

continued with the Celtic Salt and Vit C after stopping the iodine but that ended up causing intolerable pain in hiatus hernia, which hadn't been active since starting low carb diet over 10 years ago! It was probably killing some pathogen but it certainly needs to be gentler!Basal temp today 35.8 (well it's not really basal as I take it once I'm up and sitting at my computer. It could be lower if I took it in bed. I'm just not conscious enough to do that though. It's all so difficult to work out!Thanks Kathy....... ......LD

Re: Palpitations Posted by: "kathy" alikat709 (DOT) com alikat709 Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:31 pm (PDT) LD, heres the scoop on your labs: Free t4 (15.9-9.0)/ (19.0-9.0)*100 = 60%Free t3 (4.1 - 2.6)/(6.0-2. 6)*100 = 44%Optimal Ft3 and Ft4 levels for a childbearing age female is 60 to 80 % of the range,your ft's should be within 10% of each other for balance. your tsh is also higher than the new lower standard of .03-3.0. kathy> I'm adding my test results here again for Kathy:> > S Free T4: 15.0 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (9.0-19.0)> S Free T3: 4.1 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (2.6-6.0)> S TSH: 3.51 = Units: mU/L -- Range (0.30-5.00)> > My basal temp is always low. Today it was: 36.1C> > The palps certainly have stopped since I stopped

the Iodoral so it > looks like that or the combo of thyroxine has something to do with > them. However, I've a request in with my doc to get some heart, > adrenal and other tests so maybe I'll learn something from that.> > Thanks...... ...LD

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Hi Kathy, I don't have a clue about the numbers apart

from I'd like TSH as close to the new recommended levels as I can get it

so I don't disagree with anything you've said.

Will the 24 hour adrenal test I'm completing today give some indication

of what I should do re thyroid meds as well as what might be indicated

for the adrenals? And what do you recommend for adrenals if they

need boosting?

My doc is coming to see me on the weekend so I'll let her know that I'm

going to raise the thyroxine and have her line up tests for after I've

been on the raised dose for a while. At the moment I'm only taking

the thyroxine 3 days a week so I could alternate days instead, which

would ultimately give me a little extra, and then if that's not enough I

can experiment with a bit more.

Thanks Kathy............LD

Posted by: " kathleen mcburney " alikat709@...

alikat709

Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:31 pm (PDT)

I too was doing the synthroid 150 mcg/175 mcg every day rotating doses. I

ended up hyper,way too much t4 which I don't think I am converting well,

then when Im on straight 150 mcg I go hypo .I just switched to armour

,today was day 6, no improvement yet ( I think the dose is to low) I am

only on 1 grain, I am calling the doc tomorrow.

Anyway since you are past the menopause stage lol You would need slightly

lower Ft4 values you would be ok in the 40 to 70 % range.So according to

your labs you ok on the ft4 but the ft3 looked a bit low (don't you

agree) ? I would probably try upping the thyroid meds a little (maybe an

extra day of the 100's) and see how you do .

The other thing I want to pass along is this tidbit of info on the

balance issue:

If your Fts are not within 10% of each other then something may be off in

your conversion process, adrenal t3 conversion suppression, or pituitary

request for t4 to t3 conversion.

kathy

I'm adding my test results here again for Kathy:

S Free T4: 15.0 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (9.0-19.0)

S Free T3: 4.1 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (2.6-6.0)

S TSH: 3.51 = Units: mU/L -- Range (0.30-5.00)

My basal temp is always low. Today it was: 36.1C

The palps certainly have stopped since I stopped the Iodoral so it

looks like that or the combo of thyroxine has something to do with them.

However, I've a request in with my doc to get some heart, adrenal and

other tests so maybe I'll learn something from that. Thanks......

....LD

[Guest guest]

I have been giving my husband 1 drops of lugols on and off for a few months for his health, also put 10 drops of zeolite (I get from USA as I live in UK) a couple of times a day in the water he drinks separately from the zeolite. This is to take away heavy metals and toxins from his body.

http://liquidzeolitecompany.com/?gclid=CP_xp-jlgpQCFQ1TEAodrwfsWA

What is worrying me is that he has a mouth full of mercury fillings (like we all did if you are over 40) and want to know if it is dangerous to give him the iodine. His choice is not to remove the fillings, and I can understand, as it would be a huge job and cost alot of money to replace almost every tooth. I had all my mercury fillings removed 20 years ago, but because the fillings were so deep, I ended up losing 2 teeth and also had to have bridges, crowns etc.

Maybe people who still have the mercury fillings could be helped by using zeolite also.

Anne x

Re: Palpitations

Thanks Kathy. I'm actually well into menopause at 62 yoa (partial hysterectomy at 34 yoa and early menopause around 38 yoa). What do you advise re taking thyroxine? I'm taking 100 mcg Mon/Wed/Fri and 50 mcg the remaining days. My situation is not my doc's fault. I never go to see her as she's miles away and I won't go to anyone else, so she depends on me getting tests (which she sends paperwork for) and then she writes RX or advises what I might consider doing. She accepts me as the authority in my own life and I get slack due to how ill I feel. I've got more tests lined up to do now and 24 hour adrenal is one of them.The palpitations stopped when I stopped the Iodoral but I do want to get back to it so I'm hoping I can find out the reason they are causing the palps. I was also doing the salt loading in the hope I could release bromines/fluorines before going back to iodine. I

continued with the Celtic Salt and Vit C after stopping the iodine but that ended up causing intolerable pain in hiatus hernia, which hadn't been active since starting low carb diet over 10 years ago! It was probably killing some pathogen but it certainly needs to be gentler!Basal temp today 35.8 (well it's not really basal as I take it once I'm up and sitting at my computer. It could be lower if I took it in bed. I'm just not conscious enough to do that though. It's all so difficult to work out!Thanks Kathy....... ......LD

Re: Palpitations Posted by: "kathy" alikat709 (DOT) com alikat709 Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:31 pm (PDT) LD, heres the scoop on your labs: Free t4 (15.9-9.0)/ (19.0-9.0)*100 = 60%Free t3 (4.1 - 2.6)/(6.0-2. 6)*100 = 44%Optimal Ft3 and Ft4 levels for a childbearing age female is 60 to 80 % of the range,your ft's should be within 10% of each other for balance. your tsh is also higher than the new lower standard of .03-3.0. kathy> I'm adding my test results here again for Kathy:> > S Free T4: 15.0 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (9.0-19.0)> S Free T3: 4.1 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (2.6-6.0)> S TSH: 3.51 = Units: mU/L -- Range (0.30-5.00)> > My basal temp is always low. Today it was: 36.1C> > The palps certainly have stopped since I stopped

the Iodoral so it > looks like that or the combo of thyroxine has something to do with > them. However, I've a request in with my doc to get some heart, > adrenal and other tests so maybe I'll learn something from that.> > Thanks...... ...LD

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No it is not dangerous to give him iodine. I took 50 mgs before I had mine removed and that was with active cancer. It is very protective. The only thing I would advise is that since it does seem to move mercury out that you support him with 200-400 mcg of Selenium (probably better to be at the upper end) to help with eliminating the mercury and also allowing for enough selenium to create good DNA. People with fillings tend to need more selenium. Also Vit C 2,000 - 4,000 mgs to help with free radicals. The more I read about Virgin Coconut Oil the more I am sold that this is a MUST have in your diet.

Hope that helps!

Steph

Re: Palpitations

Thanks Kathy. I'm actually well into menopause at 62 yoa (partial hysterectomy at 34 yoa and early menopause around 38 yoa). What do you advise re taking thyroxine? I'm taking 100 mcg Mon/Wed/Fri and 50 mcg the remaining days. My situation is not my doc's fault. I never go to see her as she's miles away and I won't go to anyone else, so she depends on me getting tests (which she sends paperwork for) and then she writes RX or advises what I might consider doing. She accepts me as the authority in my own life and I get slack due to how ill I feel. I've got more tests lined up to do now and 24 hour adrenal is one of them.The palpitations stopped when I stopped the Iodoral but I do want to get back to it so I'm hoping I can find out the reason they are causing the palps. I was also doing the salt loading in the hope I could release bromines/fluorines before going back to iodine. I continued with the Celtic Salt and Vit C after stopping the iodine but that ended up causing intolerable pain in hiatus hernia, which hadn't been active since starting low carb diet over 10 years ago! It was probably killing some pathogen but it certainly needs to be gentler!Basal temp today 35.8 (well it's not really basal as I take it once I'm up and sitting at my computer. It could be lower if I took it in bed. I'm just not conscious enough to do that though. It's all so difficult to work out!Thanks Kathy....... ......LD

Re: Palpitations Posted by: "kathy" alikat709 (DOT) com alikat709 Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:31 pm (PDT) LD, heres the scoop on your labs: Free t4 (15.9-9.0)/ (19.0-9.0)*100 = 60%Free t3 (4.1 - 2.6)/(6.0-2. 6)*100 = 44%Optimal Ft3 and Ft4 levels for a childbearing age female is 60 to 80 % of the range,your ft's should be within 10% of each other for balance. your tsh is also higher than the new lower standard of .03-3.0. kathy> I'm adding my test results here again for Kathy:> > S Free T4: 15.0 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (9.0-19.0)> S Free T3: 4.1 = Units: pmol/L -- Range (2.6-6.0)> S TSH: 3.51 = Units: mU/L -- Range (0.30-5.00)> > My basal temp is always low. Today it was: 36.1C> > The palps certainly have stopped since I stopped the Iodoral so it > looks like that or the combo of thyroxine has something to do with > them. However, I've a request in with my doc to get some heart, > adrenal and other tests so maybe I'll learn something from that.> > Thanks...... ...LD

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Hi, Thanks for this suggestion, however, I'm taking plenty of magnesium

and also topical. I've been taking selenium for years too.

The situation is so calm now that I'm thinking it must have

been a herx response to killing pathogens even though I wouldn't have

thought I was taking enough of anything to do that. I did start

taking bi-carb 17 June. Maybe the bi-carb w/lemon is raising the pH

enough to kill pathogens. I will ask on the pH forum about

it.

Thanks again.........LD

Re: Palpitations & Magnesium Aspartate

Posted by: " comdyne2002 " comdyne@...

comdyne2002

Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:44 am (PDT)

Heart palps can be due to low selenium and magnesium.

>

> Thank you. I'll do some research and discuss it with my doc.

She's

> quite ok with alternative and 'spiritual' issues. Does licorice

help > anyone here?

>

> Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the

local > public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with

palpitations,

> chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling in my chest and

> throughout my body. Since these symptoms have been building day

by

> day and I was a little concerned, I felt it would be best to get

it

> checked out. I had no sleep the night before because of these

> symptoms and I felt worse as the day wore on. It turned out

that

> nothing urgent was occurring. They've suggested a Holter monitor

at

> home for me along with an echo. They didn't check beyond the

heart

> urgency issue but everything indicated there'd been no past

> degeneration of the heart and other muscles and the blood test

and

> x-ray further ruled out any urgent heart issue. I've no idea what

my > BP was when I arrived at the ED but by the time I was taken into

a

> cubicle and hooked up, it seems my BP was ok. I haven't a clue

what

> is going on with this as, although I've always been conscious of

my

> heart beat and pulse in general, and always aware when there seemed

to > be a bit of a struggle, usually due to breaking low-carb diet, it

is

> new for it to be like this when I'm observing my diet. I think

it

> must be due to something I'm taking or doing but so far I haven't

been > able to pin it down. It's calmer today. I've started the

Blackmore's > Mak K my doc suggested (at 2 X 3 daily with meals) and I

also

started > an experiment with Vit D.

> > I'm still waiting on results for tests listed below.

> > Thanks for listening.......LD

[Guest guest]

This may not pertain to you at all but my daughter (age27)was having

heart palps, b/p would shoot up, pulse racing. Went to see DR. B and

found out it was all the Nutrasweet and Splenda! She cut all of that

from her diet and feels MUCH better. She is low in mag so she still

feels a bit panicky at times but is working on that, also.

Janie

Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the

> local > public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with

palpitations,

> > chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling in my chest and

> > throughout my body. Since these symptoms have been building day by

> > day and I was a little concerned, I felt it would be best to get it

> > checked out.

> > > Thanks for listening.......LD

>

[Guest guest]

That panic is probably adrenal related. When she has those feelings try 1/2

tsp of Celtic salt.

Steph

Re: Palpitations

> This may not pertain to you at all but my daughter (age27)was having

> heart palps, b/p would shoot up, pulse racing. Went to see DR. B and

> found out it was all the Nutrasweet and Splenda! She cut all of that

> from her diet and feels MUCH better. She is low in mag so she still

> feels a bit panicky at times but is working on that, also.

>

> Janie

>

>

> Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the

>> local > public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with

> palpitations,

>> > chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling in my chest and

>> > throughout my body. Since these symptoms have been building day by

>> > day and I was a little concerned, I felt it would be best to get it

>> > checked out.

>> > > Thanks for listening.......LD

>>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

She has been seeing Dr. B for a few months now and he is going really

slow with her (because of how she is feeling). He has been helping

her work up to being able to start her thyroid meds, by the mag.

spray and many other things to support her health. He just now had

her start on iodine because of how she has been feeling. He wants her

to start on thyroid meds but is waiting to see how she does. She is

hoping to get her thyroid healthy enough by Aug. to become pregnant.

YES!!! I will finally get a grandbaby!!! LOL

Yes, I think she does have adrenal issues. But when she felt her

worst, was when she was eating all that crap with the artificial

sweeteners in it. (they don't listen to Mom sometimes in life). When

she would eat it, she would get red blotches and b/p and pulse would

shoot up and feel panicky. She does know about the salt and uses that

too. Thanks .

Janie

>

> That panic is probably adrenal related. When she has those

feelings try 1/2

> tsp of Celtic salt.

>

> Steph

>

>

> Re: Palpitations

>

>

> > This may not pertain to you at all but my daughter (age27)was

having

> > heart palps, b/p would shoot up, pulse racing. Went to see DR. B

and

> > found out it was all the Nutrasweet and Splenda! She cut all of

that

> > from her diet and feels MUCH better. She is low in mag so she

still

> > feels a bit panicky at times but is working on that, also.

> >

> > Janie

> >

> >

> > Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the

> >> local > public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with

> > palpitations,

> >> > chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling in my chest and

> >> > throughout my body. Since these symptoms have been building

day by

> >> > day and I was a little concerned, I felt it would be best to

get it

> >> > checked out.

> >> > > Thanks for listening.......LD

> >>

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

To be honest I would wait another year if I were her to get her body strong

before thinking of a baby. I know it is hard to wait but you being at your

best gives your baby the best too. My kids have issues that were cause by

me - but I didn't know better and would do it different if I could. If she

still has adrenal issues those will magnify with a pregnancy. Just a tip

too - women with low adrenals tend to have worse morning sickness issues.

Re: Palpitations

>>

>>

>> > This may not pertain to you at all but my daughter (age27)was

> having

>> > heart palps, b/p would shoot up, pulse racing. Went to see DR. B

> and

>> > found out it was all the Nutrasweet and Splenda! She cut all of

> that

>> > from her diet and feels MUCH better. She is low in mag so she

> still

>> > feels a bit panicky at times but is working on that, also.

>> >

>> > Janie

>> >

>> >

>> > Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the

>> >> local > public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with

>> > palpitations,

>> >> > chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling in my chest and

>> >> > throughout my body. Since these symptoms have been building

> day by

>> >> > day and I was a little concerned, I felt it would be best to

> get it

>> >> > checked out.

>> >> > > Thanks for listening.......LD

>> >>

>> >

>> >

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>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks , I wonder if she can even get pregnant at this time

with her thyroid and adrenals needing help? She might have to wait a

long time. I want my grandbaby to be the healthiest ever! :-)

And when she does have that baby... I am going to be bugging you to

find out how much iodine to give babies..lol.

Janie

> >>

> >> That panic is probably adrenal related. When she has those

> > feelings try 1/2

> >> tsp of Celtic salt.

> >>

> >> Steph

> >>

> >>

> >> Re: Palpitations

> >>

> >>

> >> > This may not pertain to you at all but my daughter (age27)was

> > having

> >> > heart palps, b/p would shoot up, pulse racing. Went to see DR.

B

> > and

> >> > found out it was all the Nutrasweet and Splenda! She cut all of

> > that

> >> > from her diet and feels MUCH better. She is low in mag so she

> > still

> >> > feels a bit panicky at times but is working on that, also.

> >> >

> >> > Janie

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of

the

> >> >> local > public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with

> >> > palpitations,

> >> >> > chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling in my chest

and

> >> >> > throughout my body. Since these symptoms have been building

> > day by

> >> >> > day and I was a little concerned, I felt it would be best

to

> > get it

> >> >> > checked out.

> >> >> > > Thanks for listening.......LD

> >> >>

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