Sleep

July 5, 2001

Ohhhh.......Now I get it. That would make sense, then, wouldn't it? LOL! Geez. That makes me wonder how much my deck actually weighs! And a contract with the Rabies Research Institute? Building things for them? Hope you don't have to come into contact with rabid animals!

Donna

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Re: sleep

> Wow, Marcia!Marcia's my other and better looking half. She's got all the brains, too!> Or is it Mike? What kind of work do you do that you'd be required to put> five tons of wood through a power planer?At the moment I'm working with a guy who runs a sawmill and woodwright shop. Westart with logs, cut them into boards and make stuff. We're working on a deck,and the joists are 3x6 boards, 16 ft long. Fourty one boards, each weighingabout 50 lb = 2000 lb (one ton) x 5 passes through the planer.... five tons.Going back to doing my 'real' work on July 23 as I've picked up a six monthcontract with the Rabies Research Unit.Me.--"The greatest thing you can learn is just to love, and to be loved in return."from 'The Moulin Rouge'

July 6, 2001

> That makes me wonder how much my deck actually weighs!

Most people don't build decks the way we do, but I imagine yours is heavier than

you think.

> And a contract with the Rabies Research Institute? Building things for

> them? Hope you don't have to come into contact with rabid animals!

Actually, my background is in biology. I worked with the Rabies Unit for almost

10 years before our illustrious premier laid off 12,000 people, including me. I

used to be the field supervisor for a 38,000 square kilometre research project

on rabies in eastern Ontario; I've done environmental assessment and related

work for more than 20 years in five provinces. Unfortunately, working in this

field also means I've moved furniture, cars, swimming pools (cars were the

heaviest), done plumbing, wiring, carpentry, drywall, painting, landscaping...

Also have a small business doing computer and environmental consulting, plus

artisan work.

That's more than you wanted to know.....

Me.

BTW, all of the staff at the Rabies Unit have to take pre-exposure rabies shots

because we do come in contact with potentially rabid animals all the time.

--

" The greatest thing you can learn is just to love, and to be loved in return. "

from 'The Moulin Rouge'

July 6, 2001

That's what I was afraid of. Rabid animals. Makes one want to jump right out of bed in the morning and run to work with no breakfast! Those animals must be kind of like my daycare children when breakfast is taking too long. Don't get your hand too close to their faces and take the babies up off the floor!

Biology, huh? Ever make any connections between the kind of work you do and your thyroidism? What kind of base, I wonder, is used for that rabies innoculation you had. I know that other autoimmune disorders have been linked to the thimerasol suspension used in immunizations for childhood diseases. Piques one's interest.

Donna

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Re: sleep

> That makes me wonder how much my deck actually weighs!Most people don't build decks the way we do, but I imagine yours is heavier thanyou think.> And a contract with the Rabies Research Institute? Building things for> them? Hope you don't have to come into contact with rabid animals!Actually, my background is in biology. I worked with the Rabies Unit for almost10 years before our illustrious premier laid off 12,000 people, including me. Iused to be the field supervisor for a 38,000 square kilometre research projecton rabies in eastern Ontario; I've done environmental assessment and relatedwork for more than 20 years in five provinces. Unfortunately, working in thisfield also means I've moved furniture, cars, swimming pools (cars were theheaviest), done plumbing, wiring, carpentry, drywall, painting, landscaping...Also have a small business doing computer and environmental consulting, plusartisan work.That's more than you wanted to know.....Me.BTW, all of the staff at the Rabies Unit have to take pre-exposure rabies shotsbecause we do come in contact with potentially rabid animals all the time.--"The greatest thing you can learn is just to love, and to be loved in return."from 'The Moulin Rouge'

July 6, 2001

> Biology, huh? Ever make any connections between the kind of work you

> do and your thyroidism? What kind of base, I wonder, is used for that

> rabies innoculation you had. I know that other autoimmune disorders

> have been linked to the thimerasol suspension used in immunizations

> for childhood diseases. Piques one's interest.

Well, my Grave's DID start when I was running the aforementioned project, and my

naturopath did give me a dose of homeopathic rabies to counteract the

vaccination once I left the Unit. A couple of other factors come into play as

well. First, we distribute rabies vaccine baits to wild animals using Twin

Otter aircraft flying at low altitudes. That work comes with a lot of low level

electromagnetic radiation. Most importantly, though, in my opinion is the fact

that I was working, on average, 14-15+ hours a day, often 6 or 7 days a week and

I had up to 9 staff to be responsible for, plus the responsibility of the

project, health and safety issues, accurate data collection, etc. My opinion

was that the people in charge didn't really care whether one had the time to

eat, sleep or use the bathroom, they wanted results. I provided results for

them. Just a LITTLE bit of stress in my life. Actually, I took a stress

management course once and according to the survey I filled out, I should have

been dead.

Woke up one morning in 1990 and my resting pulse had gone from 65-120,

literally overnight..... The rest, as they say, is history.

Me.

P.S. This has nothing to do with thyroid stuff, but if you're interested in

information on rabies, you can find a report I wrote on a friend's web site:

http://wmuma.com/ontariotrackers/natureinfo/rabies.html

July 6, 2001

Very interesting piece, Mike. Makes you not want to touch any of God's furry creatures out in the wild. I'm very glad that we can't actually see all of the microbiotic-sized critters crawling around on everyday surfaces! I'd probably have an emotional breakdown very quickly, though, so I wouldn't care anymore!!

How is your Graves doing now? My friend, Martha, is doing beautifully. She was down to about 89 pounds before she started with our supplements.

Donna

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> Biology, huh? Ever make any connections between the kind of work you> do and your thyroidism? What kind of base, I wonder, is used for that> rabies innoculation you had. I know that other autoimmune disorders> have been linked to the thimerasol suspension used in immunizations> for childhood diseases. Piques one's interest.Well, my Grave's DID start when I was running the aforementioned project, and mynaturopath did give me a dose of homeopathic rabies to counteract thevaccination once I left the Unit. A couple of other factors come into play aswell. First, we distribute rabies vaccine baits to wild animals using TwinOtter aircraft flying at low altitudes. That work comes with a lot of low levelelectromagnetic radiation. Most importantly, though, in my opinion is the factthat I was working, on average, 14-15+ hours a day, often 6 or 7 days a week andI had up to 9 staff to be responsible for, plus the responsibility of theproject, health and safety issues, accurate data collection, etc. My opinionwas that the people in charge didn't really care whether one had the time toeat, sleep or use the bathroom, they wanted results. I provided results forthem. Just a LITTLE bit of stress in my life. Actually, I took a stressmanagement course once and according to the survey I filled out, I should havebeen dead.Woke up one morning in 1990 and my resting pulse had gone from 65-120,literally overnight..... The rest, as they say, is history.Me.P.S. This has nothing to do with thyroid stuff, but if you're interested ininformation on rabies, you can find a report I wrote on a friend's web site:http://wmuma.com/ontariotrackers/natureinfo/rabies.html

August 1, 2002

I loved Ambien for gettting to sleep, but my doctor doesn't like it and

won't give me anymore.

In case it is useful for someone, what has helped me is:

Klonopin 1mg

Doxepin 50mg

Melatonin 9mg (3mg time release and 6 mg normal)

(all the above an hour or two before I want to go to sleep)

Valerian root - right before I got to bed, and again if I wake up early and

have trouble getting back to sleep.

Thanks,

Doris

July 24, 2003

<<Tonight will be a hard one I can tell already.>>

Patty:

I hear you. Since having to increase my prednisone I've been having

a terrible time getting to sleep and then staying asleep. I've been

averaging about 4 to 6 hours a night. It's been really tough. I

was up until 4 AM last night and I can already tell tonight is going

to a tough one, too.

I'll be thinking of you at 3 AM.....

Lonnie

July 25, 2003

Patty,

Thanks for the info. When I am having one of my no sleep nights, even 10 mg ambien does nothing for me. I don't think it is encephalopathy in my case since my liver biopsy (12-27-02)revealed only fibrosis, but no cirrhosis. However, it does seem that I can often sleep better from around 4 a.m. to 9 or 10 a.m. I really have a hard time when I need to be somewhere early.

W

July 26, 2003

Lonnie, maybe we should start a 2-6AM club?

I think we will have a number of devoted members...

Patty

[ ] Re: sleep

<<Tonight will be a hard one I can tell already.>>

Patty:

I hear you. Since having to increase my prednisone I've been having

a terrible time getting to sleep and then staying asleep. I've been

averaging about 4 to 6 hours a night. It's been really tough. I

was up until 4 AM last night and I can already tell tonight is going

to a tough one, too.

I'll be thinking of you at 3 AM.....

Lonnie

September 3, 2003

Hi Tim,

I take my 10 mgs of Lexapro around dinner time, and I've had no trouble sleeping

at all.

As far as dreams, I have some interesting ones now and then, nothing too

dramatic...

I hope you find some peace with your troubles Tim.

Crystal

Hi Everyone, I have been on 10 mg of lex for about 1 month now. I am

having trouble sleeping and saw in someones message that it helps to

take it at night. Is this what everyone is finding or is it that

sender only. I am also having relationship problems and I know this

is part of it.I know you guys have said the dreams are really vivid.

I am also not experiancing this I think due to my light sleeping. If

I do switch to night how will this affect me I usually take it at

about 10am. I am new to the group so hi to all. Tim

August 27, 2004

Tammie,

When I was on treatment I fell asleep everyday after lunch, usually in a

comfy old recliner I have. Sometimes I would sleep for 2-3 hours, dead to

the world. I never took naps before treatment or now. And I had no trouble

sleeping at night.

Pam in Maine

>From: " tammster62 " <t1d1r1d1@...>

>Reply-Hepatitis C

>Hepatitis C

>Subject: sleep

>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:45:03 -0000

>

>Does anyone have a problem with sleeping too much? I am not depressed

>or anything like that. I am doing good mentally, but I get sooooo

>sleepy and tired.

>When I first started the treatments, I had horrible insomnia, but

>there was also HUGE stress in my life right then. Now, all I want to

>do is sleep. I think I could sleep 20 hours out of the day.

>Any one else?

> <><TammieD><>

>

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August 27, 2004

In a message dated 8/26/2004 11:45:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

t1d1r1d1@... writes:

Does anyone have a problem with sleeping too much? I am not depressed

or anything like that. I am doing good mentally, but I get sooooo

sleepy and tired.

When I first started the treatments, I had horrible insomnia, but

there was also HUGE stress in my life right then. Now, all I want to

do is sleep. I think I could sleep 20 hours out of the day.

Any one else?

When I was on treatment, I could count on being asleep within 30 minutes of

" shot time " then I would wake up in the middle of the night.....0300, seemed to

be my " witching hour " . Stay up and watch the sunrise. Then go back to bed

and sleep until noon. I was about as productive as one of my cats. I still

sleep more now than I used to. I nap occassionally, too. I no longer apologize

for it. If I'm tired and sleepy, I sleep. What can we say? Anne

August 27, 2004

Funny your " bewitching " hour would be 3am...in Chinese medicine, the liver does

it's work around 2-3am.

I was tired during both rounds of treatment also...unfortunately I live alone

and had to work through both times so didn't get to nap when tired. But I sure

was in bed early each night and would pretty much sleep all day Saturday.

Tatezi

Re: sleep

....I would wake up in the middle of the night.....0300, seemed to

be my " witching hour " . Stay up and watch the sunrise. Then go back to bed and

sleep until noon. Anne

August 29, 2004

In a message dated 8/27/2004 10:24:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

tatezi@... writes:

I was tired during both rounds of treatment also...unfortunately I live alone

and had to work through both times so didn't get to nap when tired. But I

sure was in bed early each night and would pretty much sleep all day Saturday.

I don't think I would have required quite as much sleep if I hadn't been

anemic. Anne

January 1, 2005

In a message dated 1/1/2005 4:04:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,

writes:

What are you taking for sleep?

I assume this q is for me....right now I take 1mg klonopin before bed, a

teaspoon of salt mixed in water (to relax adrenals and helpes put me out, and my

probiotics with bread/milk to get it into my digestive system better. All taken

a couple hours before bed. My sleep cycle has gone forward about 3 hours; so

I sleep from about 1am to 10am; which I dont like.

joe

July 19, 2005

Serena,

Well I have resorted to one of those foam cover things for the mattress

plus sleeping with 3-4 pillows. I use standard size for under my head

and between my knees (or under my calves if I manage to sleep on my

stomach). Then I have 1-2 queen sized pillows - one to hug and one

behind my back when on my side or just on either side if I sleep on my

stomach or back. Don't know what I'm going to do when I'm married and

have to share a bed - he just might have to sleep on the floor! Just

kidding.... anyways, I always need the one I can hug, but can do without

the one behind my back (usually end up on my side). But basically having

that many pillows around me lets me find some sort of comfortable

position without really waking up. I know I change positions during the

night because I never wake up how I fell asleep. Also, my parents have

one of those sleep number beds that you can adjust however you want -

when I buy a new bed that's what I'm getting - everyone should at least

try that out! My number is 25 by the way - I really don't think firmer

is better after scoliosis surgery but feel free to disagree - I just

know that anything over about 50 and I can't stand it for even 10

minutes. Granted this is without all my pillows, but still....

Another tip- I have started listening to the sound of the ocean before I

go to bed. I have one of those radio/sounds/CD player alarm clocks that

lets me set it to 30-90 minutes of ocean noise to fall asleep to and a

CD to wake up to. I used to lay awake annoyed at my creaking house or

the crickets outside and wake up well before my alarm just so I wouldnt

have to hear it go off- both of which just add to tension, less sleep,

and more pain. Much nicer to match your breathing with the waves and

totally relax and then wake up to your favorite song. Although I must

warn you you might have to teach yourself to wake up to the song - I

eventually got it (on multiple cds even- haha). Anyways, I think it

really helped me. I usually still wake up and want to lay back down, but

I think I sleep better. Hope I helped some - Good luck finding something

that works for you!

Tara

Hey Group!

I have a problem and I bet most of you have the same problem so I wanted

to

know if anyone has a solution. I can't sleep very good at night due to

back

pain. The bed kills me! We have tried other beds (firmer or not so

firm)

but nothing seems to make it better. I use a pillow between my knees

when I

lie on my side and under my knees when I'm on my back. I put it under

my

chest and stomach when I lie on my stomach. This helps relieve some of

the

pain but actually every night is bad. I usually sleep from 11:00 - 7:00

which is 8 hours but I'm up and down and awake a lot of that. My

surgery

was anterior and I have screws..... and it was in 1987.

If anyone has a suggestion that helps them, please advise..... I'm ready

for

a good night's rest!!!

Thanks,

Serena

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July 20, 2005

Try to work-out your body twice a week (walking or swimming) in the med of the

day, I usually take Feldeene when it is too much, also a hot/warm bath before

you go to bed will help you a lot, did you try sleeping on your stomach some

times it helps if you have no pain in your shoulders.

Thanks

Heba

Dickie & Serena <dsmcbee1@...> wrote:

Hey Group!

I have a problem and I bet most of you have the same problem so I wanted to

know if anyone has a solution. I can't sleep very good at night due to back

pain. The bed kills me! We have tried other beds (firmer or not so firm)

but nothing seems to make it better. I use a pillow between my knees when I

lie on my side and under my knees when I'm on my back. I put it under my

chest and stomach when I lie on my stomach. This helps relieve some of the

pain but actually every night is bad. I usually sleep from 11:00 - 7:00

which is 8 hours but I'm up and down and awake a lot of that. My surgery

was anterior and I have screws..... and it was in 1987.

If anyone has a suggestion that helps them, please advise..... I'm ready for

a good night's rest!!!

Thanks,

Serena

July 20, 2005

Tara,

I agree with you about the bed. I used to think that I needed a really hard

bed because of my back. However, not too long ago, I was told to change

that because of the danger of fractures! I have healed fractures already, and

don't need any more. We bought a very expensive, sort of foam mattress that

is much softer than I was used to, and I just love it!

Carole

July 20, 2005

H wrote:

>I sleep with a ton of pillows, too.

>

My doctor calls this a " pillow fort " .

:-)

>

> Don't know what I'm going to do when I'm married and

>have to share a bed - he just might have to sleep on the floor!

>

Well, I got a queen-sized bed.

:-)

Oh, forgot to mention, I bought one of those " sound machines " , and play

it all night long (my bedroom is on the street, and our windows are very

old (house built in 1917), plus I'm a light sleeper.

I take it with me when I travel, too, because you never know what kind

of mattress they have in hotels/motels!

Although in hotels, you can ask for a bed board...they have a bell hop

bring one up.

in Oakland

July 20, 2005

Serena,

Try purchasing an adjustable bed. I have the Sealy Posturematic with

built in massage and it is heavenly. Also, try some aquatic physical

therapy for a while. The water is very relaxing and having a

therapist supervise helps ensure you are not over-exerting yourself.

Hope this helps.

July 21, 2005

My P.T. explains that since my spine is fused it cannot relax/adjust after

laying down on a firm mattress. In otherwords, my spine nor the mattress is

flexible enough to mold comfortably together. Doctor's examining table and

massage tables kill me after just a few minutes. That's why I'm so much better

off

with a pillow top or latex (or perhaps a temperpedic sp?) mattress. They have

more give to support my spine. The pillow top is a soft layer for cushion

with a firm layer for support. I've had a Sealy Postupedic Pillow Top that I

loved. I have an adjustable latex one now and it works for me. Where ever you

buy, just be sure they have a return/exchange option. I've been very happy

with Sleep Train here in California. They have that policy. While traveling I

take two egg crates to put over the hotel mattresses and often still sleep on

pillows lined up under my body, but it still doesn't work as well as a latex or

pillowtop. I haven't tried the Sleep Number ones, I know some people love

them and some hate them. Just my experience.

Jolene 1960 bone only, short fusion.

July 22, 2005

joyce edmonds wrote:

>Hi ,

>

>I am interested to know exactly what these pillows with the seeds or whatever

is in them are meant to do. Do they help you stay on your side? I can't lay on

my side. I have to make a conscious effort to stay on my side or I fall back

over and I am so uncomfortable I can't go to sleep. I have developed 2 pretty

bad bed sores which are never going to heal if I don't get off my butt.

>

Actually, I have two really long pillows I bought that I used in the

hospital to prop myself on my side, maybe those would help you.

I bought them on sale a J.C. Penny's--plus the pillow covers.

The ones I havethat have the seeds in them are meant for me to snuggle

into when I'm on my side--I noticed that when I had a massage, they gave

you a pillow to " hold " when you were on your side. It tends to relax me.

Now, my cats take turn sleeping on the long pillow I still have in the bed.

:-)

July 22, 2005

I've always thought like most everyone else. The firmer the mattress the

better but I'm figuring out now that it's not so. No wonder I feel like I

ve been beat up in the mornings. I work at my kids' school and we'll be

starting again soon so I would like to get the right mattress before I go

back.

Thanks to everyone for your replies.

-- Re: Sleep

My P.T. explains that since my spine is fused it cannot relax/adjust after

laying down on a firm mattress. In otherwords, my spine nor the mattress is

flexible enough to mold comfortably together. Doctor's examining table and

massage tables kill me after just a few minutes. That's why I'm so much

better off

with a pillow top or latex (or perhaps a temperpedic sp?) mattress. They

have

more give to support my spine. The pillow top is a soft layer for cushion

with a firm layer for support. I've had a Sealy Postupedic Pillow Top that I

loved. I have an adjustable latex one now and it works for me. Where ever

you

buy, just be sure they have a return/exchange option. I've been very happy

with Sleep Train here in California. They have that policy. While

traveling I

take two egg crates to put over the hotel mattresses and often still sleep

on

pillows lined up under my body, but it still doesn't work as well as a latex

or

pillowtop. I haven't tried the Sleep Number ones, I know some people love

them and some hate them. Just my experience.

Jolene 1960 bone only, short fusion.

July 22, 2005

found a new homeopathic product that helps me fall asleep and fall back

asleep when I wake up. It's called " Soy Nerve Food " It's a powder you mix in

liquid. Contains: calc.phos 3x and kali.phos.3x plus, soy powder, slippery elm

powder and arrow root powder.

It's made my " Touch of Sun Herbs " -- a local herbalist in the SF Bay Area.

You can google to website. I have absolutely no financial interest in this

company or product, just passing along something that seems to help a little.

I still have trouble with getting restorative sleep, though.

michael

July 22, 2005

Hi Serena,

Try a memory foam mattress topper, as thick as you can afford. Try

overstock.com, as they usually have a good selection. The topper is the only way

my post0surgical daughter hcan sleep in her own bed. Be aware, they can be a

little smelly when they first come, so let it air out a day or two before you

put it on your bed.

na