Re: General advice

[Guest guest]

Diet is the first thing to get right. Yes you will have to do it

strictly and follow it vigilantly to achieve results. But you also

have to make sure you are feeding yourself properly in the process

and including plenty of good healthy foods to keep up your strength

or yeah you may well feel faint.

This diet means no fruit, no milk, no cheese, no grains, no honey

etc. But it means plenty of meat, eggs, chicken, liver, vegetables

(excluding too high carb ones like corn, potatoes etc). Lots of

healthy fats like butter, extra virgin olive oil, organic virgin

coconut oil, fish oils (mercury free) and so on.

You get plenty of natural energy from those foods than you ever will

from high carbs because they give the body exactly what it needs and

enables your body to heal. You will likely feel worse for wear during

the first few weeks because yeast hates to starve and as it weakens

and dies it gives off more toxins and alcohols which may make you

feel drowsy,dizzy and even go offbalance among plenty of other

symptoms. Stick at this, but again make sure youre eating well too.

No need to starve or be deprived or add to the misery.

Supplement aids like vitamin C, vitamin E, vitamin B complex,

magnesium and calcium in equal ratios, zinc, and duncan on here feels

selenium, whey and inulin are of great help also. A general all

round supplement like a green food one (Nature's Way Chlorofyll is

excellent). and cod liver oil.

Here is a link i often pass on to help people because I think it

answers just about anything http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/

I would strongly encourage you to do this diet and hang in there. No

it aint easy and yes the yeast will hate you for it, but it's

necessary if you wish to heal from this condition and your

persistance and patience and will power are required. You will have

times of being so hungry you may feel your going nuts, but it is

often the yeast wanting food. Fill yourself up as much as you want

with the right foods and good fats.

You dont necessarily have to start on probiotics or strong

antifungals at this point. Diet and good fats are enough and eating

garlic and coconut oil are actually natural antifungals anyway. Id

go through this first as that is often enough to cause enough

symptoms. Be warned that you may get worse and this is why so many

people simply dont stick it out. That will be up to you.

>

> Hello all,

>

>

> My question is as follows. I have a few months to experiment as I'm

working

> on my Masters' thesis, so I want to see if I can seriously get rid

of this.

> If necessary, I can go on the strict candida diet and literally

stay in bed

> all day, but it tends to make me really quite ill. Do you think it

should be

> tried nonetheless? Is there something else I can try, like inulin?

Is there

> a very, very gradual way to start trying it given how strongly I've

reacted

> to anything else to do with the digestive system? I have to admit

I'm very

> reluctant to try anything, since I've been through many doctors and

schemes

> that tend to just make me worse or tire me out (in Geneva I went to

doctors

> three times a week). I prefer to just keep on my strict diet and

probiotics

> than risk getting hospitalised again. But if anyone has a very

gradual,

> low-risk suggestion that'd be great, because I'd really prefer to

have ice

> cream some day in the future and be able to do a full-time job

without

> collapsing! Also if anyone has any naturopathic suggestion to deal

with the

> mood swings that'd be great because they can be quite excessive and

the only

> means I have to deal with them is by having tea, whose caffeine

works

> wonders for the mood but is horrible for the candida!

>

>

>

> Also, if anyone knows of a way to get probiotics by mail (do they

really

> have to be refrigerated?) I'd appreciate the info since at the

moment where

> I live is restricted to where they sell them in the local store :-

) --

> they're much less common in continental Europe, for example, or

India.

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Adam's points and even suggest Bee's diet. However I

warn that Bee's advice prohibits a few supplements that we have

proven on this group and others to be so useful as to form the core

part of a fast healing program: inulin, undenatured whey, selenium,

potassium, for example. Also, unnecessary restriction on alcohol, and

restriction of mushrooms and other polysaccharide sources should be

noted, particularly when aloe vera and some sea veggies, which are

also pronounced polysaccharide sources, can be so beneficial.

Duncan

>

> Diet is the first thing to get right. Yes you will have to do it

> strictly and follow it vigilantly to achieve results. But you also

> have to make sure you are feeding yourself properly in the process

> and including plenty of good healthy foods to keep up your strength

> or yeah you may well feel faint.

>

> This diet means no fruit, no milk, no cheese, no grains, no honey

> etc. But it means plenty of meat, eggs, chicken, liver, vegetables

> (excluding too high carb ones like corn, potatoes etc). Lots of

> healthy fats like butter, extra virgin olive oil, organic virgin

> coconut oil, fish oils (mercury free) and so on.

>

> You get plenty of natural energy from those foods than you ever

will

> from high carbs because they give the body exactly what it needs

and

> enables your body to heal. You will likely feel worse for wear

during

> the first few weeks because yeast hates to starve and as it weakens

> and dies it gives off more toxins and alcohols which may make you

> feel drowsy,dizzy and even go offbalance among plenty of other

> symptoms. Stick at this, but again make sure youre eating well

too.

> No need to starve or be deprived or add to the misery.

>

> Supplement aids like vitamin C, vitamin E, vitamin B complex,

> magnesium and calcium in equal ratios, zinc, and duncan on here

feels

> selenium, whey and inulin are of great help also. A general all

> round supplement like a green food one (Nature's Way Chlorofyll is

> excellent). and cod liver oil.

>

> Here is a link i often pass on to help people because I think it

> answers just about anything http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/

> I would strongly encourage you to do this diet and hang in there.

No

> it aint easy and yes the yeast will hate you for it, but it's

> necessary if you wish to heal from this condition and your

> persistance and patience and will power are required. You will

have

> times of being so hungry you may feel your going nuts, but it is

> often the yeast wanting food. Fill yourself up as much as you want

> with the right foods and good fats.

>

> You dont necessarily have to start on probiotics or strong

> antifungals at this point. Diet and good fats are enough and

eating

> garlic and coconut oil are actually natural antifungals anyway. Id

> go through this first as that is often enough to cause enough

> symptoms. Be warned that you may get worse and this is why so many

> people simply dont stick it out. That will be up to you.

>

>

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

>

> >

> > My question is as follows. I have a few months to experiment as

I'm

> working

> > on my Masters' thesis, so I want to see if I can seriously get

rid

> of this.

> > If necessary, I can go on the strict candida diet and literally

> stay in bed

> > all day, but it tends to make me really quite ill. Do you think

it

> should be

> > tried nonetheless? Is there something else I can try, like

inulin?

> Is there

> > a very, very gradual way to start trying it given how strongly

I've

> reacted

> > to anything else to do with the digestive system? I have to admit

> I'm very

> > reluctant to try anything, since I've been through many doctors

and

> schemes

> > that tend to just make me worse or tire me out (in Geneva I went

to

> doctors

> > three times a week). I prefer to just keep on my strict diet and

> probiotics

> > than risk getting hospitalised again. But if anyone has a very

> gradual,

> > low-risk suggestion that'd be great, because I'd really prefer to

> have ice

> > cream some day in the future and be able to do a full-time job

> without

> > collapsing! Also if anyone has any naturopathic suggestion to

deal

> with the

> > mood swings that'd be great because they can be quite excessive

and

> the only

> > means I have to deal with them is by having tea, whose caffeine

> works

> > wonders for the mood but is horrible for the candida!

> >

> >

> >

> > Also, if anyone knows of a way to get probiotics by mail (do they

> really

> > have to be refrigerated?) I'd appreciate the info since at the

> moment where

> > I live is restricted to where they sell them in the local store :-

> ) --

> > they're much less common in continental Europe, for example, or

> India.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

Point taken. i see where you and Bee differ on a few things but

agree on others and find both your advice extremely helpful to me and

others. I see you take things a step further with the selenium,

whey, inulin, etc and that is understandable if this is giving some,

perhaps many people extra help or even pushing them forward quicker

to recovery. I dont know, cause Ive not tried those supplements.

Still struggling with the diet right now.

Adam.

>

> I agree with Adam's points and even suggest Bee's diet. However I

> warn that Bee's advice prohibits a few supplements that we have

> proven on this group and others to be so useful as to form the core

> part of a fast healing program: inulin, undenatured whey, selenium,

> potassium, for example. Also, unnecessary restriction on alcohol,

and

> restriction of mushrooms and other polysaccharide sources should be

> noted, particularly when aloe vera and some sea veggies, which are

> also pronounced polysaccharide sources, can be so beneficial.

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Just a word of warning here from someone who found out the (really)

hard way--diets too strict for too long may acidify your system and

may lower your body pH to the point where all the bad stuff grows back

and then some--in my case, I got cancer five years after Candida due

to following these very strict diets for too long and eating far too

much animal protein (VERY acidifying for some people).

The cancer is gone now--it has been six years--and I have very few

Candida related problems at this point though I do eat a fair amount

of carbs (even potato chips and breads, yes), though I tend to avoid

refined wheat flour, refined white sugar and other drugs :-) It

really does turn out to be a very individual thing, and though a

strict diet for a certain period of time in the beginning of treatment

does help, like most everything, too much is too much and one size

certainly does not fit all.

Best,

Alison

>

> Diet is the first thing to get right. Yes you will have to do it

> strictly and follow it vigilantly to achieve results. But you also

> have to make sure you are feeding yourself properly in the process

> and including plenty of good healthy foods to keep up your strength

> or yeah you may well feel faint.

>

> This diet means no fruit, no milk, no cheese, no grains, no honey

> etc. But it means plenty of meat, eggs, chicken, liver, vegetables

> (excluding too high carb ones like corn, potatoes etc). Lots of

> healthy fats like butter, extra virgin olive oil, organic virgin

> coconut oil, fish oils (mercury free) and so on.

>

> You get plenty of natural energy from those foods than you ever will

> from high carbs because they give the body exactly what it needs and

> enables your body to heal. You will likely feel worse for wear during

> the first few weeks because yeast hates to starve and as it weakens

> and dies it gives off more toxins and alcohols which may make you

> feel drowsy,dizzy and even go offbalance among plenty of other

> symptoms. Stick at this, but again make sure youre eating well too.

> No need to starve or be deprived or add to the misery.

>

> Supplement aids like vitamin C, vitamin E, vitamin B complex,

> magnesium and calcium in equal ratios, zinc, and duncan on here feels

> selenium, whey and inulin are of great help also. A general all

> round supplement like a green food one (Nature's Way Chlorofyll is

> excellent). and cod liver oil.

>

> Here is a link i often pass on to help people because I think it

> answers just about anything http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/

> I would strongly encourage you to do this diet and hang in there. No

> it aint easy and yes the yeast will hate you for it, but it's

> necessary if you wish to heal from this condition and your

> persistance and patience and will power are required. You will have

> times of being so hungry you may feel your going nuts, but it is

> often the yeast wanting food. Fill yourself up as much as you want

> with the right foods and good fats.

>

> You dont necessarily have to start on probiotics or strong

> antifungals at this point. Diet and good fats are enough and eating

> garlic and coconut oil are actually natural antifungals anyway. Id

> go through this first as that is often enough to cause enough

> symptoms. Be warned that you may get worse and this is why so many

> people simply dont stick it out. That will be up to you.

>

>

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

>

> >

> > My question is as follows. I have a few months to experiment as I'm

> working

> > on my Masters' thesis, so I want to see if I can seriously get rid

> of this.

> > If necessary, I can go on the strict candida diet and literally

> stay in bed

> > all day, but it tends to make me really quite ill. Do you think it

> should be

> > tried nonetheless? Is there something else I can try, like inulin?

> Is there

> > a very, very gradual way to start trying it given how strongly I've

> reacted

> > to anything else to do with the digestive system? I have to admit

> I'm very

> > reluctant to try anything, since I've been through many doctors and

> schemes

> > that tend to just make me worse or tire me out (in Geneva I went to

> doctors

> > three times a week). I prefer to just keep on my strict diet and

> probiotics

> > than risk getting hospitalised again. But if anyone has a very

> gradual,

> > low-risk suggestion that'd be great, because I'd really prefer to

> have ice

> > cream some day in the future and be able to do a full-time job

> without

> > collapsing! Also if anyone has any naturopathic suggestion to deal

> with the

> > mood swings that'd be great because they can be quite excessive and

> the only

> > means I have to deal with them is by having tea, whose caffeine

> works

> > wonders for the mood but is horrible for the candida!

> >

> >

> >

> > Also, if anyone knows of a way to get probiotics by mail (do they

> really

> > have to be refrigerated?) I'd appreciate the info since at the

> moment where

> > I live is restricted to where they sell them in the local store :-

> ) --

> > they're much less common in continental Europe, for example, or

> India.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Adam, I never thought I would say this, but since adding just the

inulin and maintaining my 50 billion probiotic (which also has some

FOS in it), I've been doing much better overall. I would recommend you

give the inulin a try.

I was EXTREMELY skeptical about the inulin, and it may be to early to

really tell, but overall I'm feeling better mentally and energy wise

lately since beginning and maintaining the two supplements. I'm also

taking sauerkraut with just about every meal, and the briney juice

from the jar, which is supposed to be chock full of good probiotic

strains. Oh, and even though it goes against Bee's recommendations,

I've also added in a little Fage greek style yoghurt, which has no

added sugars and is full fat. It has some carbs, but I'm willing to

take them because it is fermented and contains beneficial probiotic

strains like acidophilus and bifidus, and I don't really eat enough of

it to get a huge carb. load anyway.

I'm still experiencing some bloating and some abdominal distension,

and also all of my stools are still pretty much loose and liquid, but

my gut just feels better overall so far. I'm hopeful for continued

improvement over time sticking with the supplements.

Just wanted to provide my two cents

[Guest guest]

I hope all is well with you and yours.

I need to ask you Adam to refer to Bee's diet with the content and not

the web page. There are still people here that are hurt by things

that went on over there, both mentally and physically.

So, I am asking you to stop sending people to her and her site at

least for a while.

You are free to post her main diet points but not by link. It can be

looked at as a whole inside of this group setting.

I agree with Duncan and many others that some of the things she is

leaving out should be included in ones diet.

We can and should discuss all things that relate to us getting well

and what she is saying is not different...but with in bounds of reason.

I hope you will see the need to do this. If not, I am sorry but it

must be done.

NieeMA

>

> Hi Duncan,

>

> Point taken. i see where you and Bee differ on a few things but

> agree on others and find both your advice extremely helpful to me and

> others. I see you take things a step further with the selenium,

> whey, inulin, etc and that is understandable if this is giving some,

> perhaps many people extra help or even pushing them forward quicker

> to recovery. I dont know, cause Ive not tried those supplements.

> Still struggling with the diet right now.

>

> Adam.

> >

> > I agree with Adam's points and even suggest Bee's diet. However I

> > warn that Bee's advice prohibits a few supplements that we have

> > proven on this group and others to be so useful as to form the core

> > part of a fast healing program: inulin, undenatured whey, selenium,

> > potassium, for example. Also, unnecessary restriction on alcohol,

> and

> > restriction of mushrooms and other polysaccharide sources should be

> > noted, particularly when aloe vera and some sea veggies, which are

> > also pronounced polysaccharide sources, can be so beneficial.

> >

> > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Group,

I hope it is appropriate to share my personal experience with whey.

Recently, after months of eating only butter and (mostly Jarrow)

undenatured whey, I cheated and ate a small piece of organic MILK

chocolate. My throat immediately swelled up. I use unsweetened

organic cocoa powder regularly without any symptoms, so I believe the

allergen that bothered me was the milk protein. I was amazed at this

reaction though because prior to this, I ate dairy most of my life

without any dairy intolerance. This experience reinforced for me how

important it is to stay away from dairy in general. Although I know

that some people cannot tolerate any dairy other than butter, I can

highly recommend undenatured whey as a great, healing source of protein.

-Lori

>

> I agree with Adam's points and even suggest Bee's diet. However I

> warn that Bee's advice prohibits a few supplements that we have

> proven on this group and others to be so useful as to form the core

> part of a fast healing program: inulin, undenatured whey, selenium,

> potassium, for example. Also, unnecessary restriction on alcohol, and

> restriction of mushrooms and other polysaccharide sources should be

> noted, particularly when aloe vera and some sea veggies, which are

> also pronounced polysaccharide sources, can be so beneficial.

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Hello. I find it interesting that you would blame the milk protein

rather than the SUGAR in the chocolate. Butter does in fact contain

milk protein casein. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but there are

actually milk solids in butter, so my first guess is that it is not

the milk protein you are reacting to, but more so the other

ingredients in the chocolate, namely the terrible refined sugar in it.

Especially if you tolerate butter fine.

I don't know for certain, just wanted to share my observation! Take

care.

> Hi Group,

> I hope it is appropriate to share my personal experience with whey.

> Recently, after months of eating only butter and (mostly Jarrow)

> undenatured whey, I cheated and ate a small piece of organic MILK

> chocolate. My throat immediately swelled up. I use unsweetened

> organic cocoa powder regularly without any symptoms, so I believe the

> allergen that bothered me was the milk protein. I was amazed at this

> reaction though because prior to this, I ate dairy most of my life

> without any dairy intolerance. This experience reinforced for me how

> important it is to stay away from dairy in general. Although I know

> that some people cannot tolerate any dairy other than butter, I can

> highly recommend undenatured whey as a great, healing source of protein.

> -Lori

>

>

> >

> > I agree with Adam's points and even suggest Bee's diet. However I

> > warn that Bee's advice prohibits a few supplements that we have

> > proven on this group and others to be so useful as to form the core

> > part of a fast healing program: inulin, undenatured whey, selenium,

> > potassium, for example. Also, unnecessary restriction on alcohol, and

> > restriction of mushrooms and other polysaccharide sources should be

> > noted, particularly when aloe vera and some sea veggies, which are

> > also pronounced polysaccharide sources, can be so beneficial.

> >

> > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think Alison's warning should be re-stated to say that " some strict

diets " may well be acid-forming, but that depends wholly on what the

diet promotes, and the diet we are using on this list does not

because it's mainly veggie, whey and meat.

The whey and the veggies are alkalinizing, and alkalizing minerals we

take also will neutralize much of the acidity you do make as well as

much of the acidity already in your lymph system.

Detailed information from a molecular viewpoint, on acidity and

alkalizing minerals in relation to cancer and bone health, that is, a

molecular view of the lymph, in the cells and in their extracellular

matrix, is in two of Dr. Haltiwanger's papers here:

http:royalrife.com/haltiwanger.html

Anyway, in summary, the " too much " and " too strict " dieting arguments

apply primarily to carb- and meat-heavy diets that are practically

common knowledge to be bad for us. Fore example the carb-rich diet

promoted by the Diabetic Association.

Duncan

> >

> > Diet is the first thing to get right. Yes you will have to do it

> > strictly and follow it vigilantly to achieve results. But you

also

> > have to make sure you are feeding yourself properly in the

process

> > and including plenty of good healthy foods to keep up your

strength

> > or yeah you may well feel faint.

> >

> > This diet means no fruit, no milk, no cheese, no grains, no honey

> > etc. But it means plenty of meat, eggs, chicken, liver,

vegetables

> > (excluding too high carb ones like corn, potatoes etc). Lots of

> > healthy fats like butter, extra virgin olive oil, organic virgin

> > coconut oil, fish oils (mercury free) and so on.

> >

> > You get plenty of natural energy from those foods than you ever

will

> > from high carbs because they give the body exactly what it needs

and

> > enables your body to heal. You will likely feel worse for wear

during

> > the first few weeks because yeast hates to starve and as it

weakens

> > and dies it gives off more toxins and alcohols which may make you

> > feel drowsy,dizzy and even go offbalance among plenty of other

> > symptoms. Stick at this, but again make sure youre eating well

too.

> > No need to starve or be deprived or add to the misery.

> >

> > Supplement aids like vitamin C, vitamin E, vitamin B complex,

> > magnesium and calcium in equal ratios, zinc, and duncan on here

feels

> > selenium, whey and inulin are of great help also. A general all

> > round supplement like a green food one (Nature's Way Chlorofyll

is

> > excellent). and cod liver oil.

> >

> > Here is a link i often pass on to help people because I think it

> > answers just about anything http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/

> > I would strongly encourage you to do this diet and hang in

there. No

> > it aint easy and yes the yeast will hate you for it, but it's

> > necessary if you wish to heal from this condition and your

> > persistance and patience and will power are required. You will

have

> > times of being so hungry you may feel your going nuts, but it is

> > often the yeast wanting food. Fill yourself up as much as you

want

> > with the right foods and good fats.

> >

> > You dont necessarily have to start on probiotics or strong

> > antifungals at this point. Diet and good fats are enough and

eating

> > garlic and coconut oil are actually natural antifungals anyway.

Id

> > go through this first as that is often enough to cause enough

> > symptoms. Be warned that you may get worse and this is why so

many

> > people simply dont stick it out. That will be up to you.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all,

> > >

> >

> > >

> > > My question is as follows. I have a few months to experiment as

I'm

> > working

> > > on my Masters' thesis, so I want to see if I can seriously get

rid

> > of this.

> > > If necessary, I can go on the strict candida diet and literally

> > stay in bed

> > > all day, but it tends to make me really quite ill. Do you think

it

> > should be

> > > tried nonetheless? Is there something else I can try, like

inulin?

> > Is there

> > > a very, very gradual way to start trying it given how strongly

I've

> > reacted

> > > to anything else to do with the digestive system? I have to

admit

> > I'm very

> > > reluctant to try anything, since I've been through many doctors

and

> > schemes

> > > that tend to just make me worse or tire me out (in Geneva I

went to

> > doctors

> > > three times a week). I prefer to just keep on my strict diet

and

> > probiotics

> > > than risk getting hospitalised again. But if anyone has a very

> > gradual,

> > > low-risk suggestion that'd be great, because I'd really prefer

to

> > have ice

> > > cream some day in the future and be able to do a full-time job

> > without

> > > collapsing! Also if anyone has any naturopathic suggestion to

deal

> > with the

> > > mood swings that'd be great because they can be quite excessive

and

> > the only

> > > means I have to deal with them is by having tea, whose caffeine

> > works

> > > wonders for the mood but is horrible for the candida!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Also, if anyone knows of a way to get probiotics by mail (do

they

> > really

> > > have to be refrigerated?) I'd appreciate the info since at the

> > moment where

> > > I live is restricted to where they sell them in the local

store :-

> > ) --

> > > they're much less common in continental Europe, for example, or

> > India.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > > .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Lori; a lot of people malign undenatured whey because it's in

the " dairy " category, even though it is listed (as Immunocal) in the

PDR as being well tolerated by severely milk-sensitive individuals.

This is what you've found and it's no surprise. Hopefully once you're

well your sensitivity to other milk products will be reduced.

Duncan

> >

> > I agree with Adam's points and even suggest Bee's diet. However I

> > warn that Bee's advice prohibits a few supplements that we have

> > proven on this group and others to be so useful as to form the

core

> > part of a fast healing program: inulin, undenatured whey,

selenium,

> > potassium, for example. Also, unnecessary restriction on alcohol,

and

> > restriction of mushrooms and other polysaccharide sources should

be

> > noted, particularly when aloe vera and some sea veggies, which

are

> > also pronounced polysaccharide sources, can be so beneficial.

> >

> > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh ok. No problem. It was just easier on me to basically copy and

paste the link so people were free to look for themselves or ignore

it either way. And it seemed to have so much info there on so many

other areas I thought it would be of value and up to people should

they wish to check it out further or not.

But I respect your wishes and wont do that again.

Adam.

>

I hope all is well with you and yours.

>

> I need to ask you Adam to refer to Bee's diet with the content and

not

> the web page. There are still people here that are hurt by things

> that went on over there, both mentally and physically.

>

> So, I am asking you to stop sending people to her and her site at

> least for a while.

>

> You are free to post her main diet points but not by link. It can

be

> looked at as a whole inside of this group setting.

>

> I agree with Duncan and many others that some of the things she is

> leaving out should be included in ones diet.

>

> We can and should discuss all things that relate to us getting well

> and what she is saying is not different...but with in bounds of

reason.

>

> I hope you will see the need to do this. If not, I am sorry but it

> must be done.

>

>

> NieeMA

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi alison sorry to hear of this. that is concerning for sure, but

what can one do if they eat potatoe chips and end up with a severe

relapse? If I go off the diet by eating them or even sausages or

something, grain or fruit, I am a mess. Id like to be able to extend

my diet a little more but my condition does not allow for that.

can people make that up by consuming more vegetables...like salads

and things? what can one do if they literally cannot eat fruit,

potatoes and stuff? what then? Ive tried believe me and I just cant

do it. I hear you on this and wonder how long do you reckon it takes

before a person can loosen up a bit and eat those things again?

ONce I could I used to eat limited fruit, a bit of potatoes and non

gluten grain and I was ok. But when I took an antifungal, after that

the diet was not enough so I got stricter. It worked, but once I

cheated a little too often I find now I am really strugglign to get

things under control. Dont think its working too good, so now fruit

and potatoes and milk and things are kind of disasterous to me.

>

> Just a word of warning here from someone who found out the (really)

> hard way--diets too strict for too long may acidify your system and

> may lower your body pH to the point where all the bad stuff grows

back

> and then some--in my case, I got cancer five years after Candida due

> to following these very strict diets for too long and eating far too

> much animal protein (VERY acidifying for some people).

>

> The cancer is gone now--it has been six years--and I have very few

> Candida related problems at this point though I do eat a fair amount

> of carbs (even potato chips and breads, yes), though I tend to avoid

> refined wheat flour, refined white sugar and other drugs :-) It

> really does turn out to be a very individual thing, and though a

> strict diet for a certain period of time in the beginning of

treatment

> does help, like most everything, too much is too much and one size

> certainly does not fit all.

>

> Best,

>

> Alison

>

[Guest guest]

Hi thanx for that. This is interesting to hear and im glad your

getting some improvements and hope that will last. I may give it a

go but hoping the diet right now will help cause I dont have a lot of

money. But wont have much choice if results dont start to occur.

> Adam, I never thought I would say this, but since adding just the

> inulin and maintaining my 50 billion probiotic (which also has some

> FOS in it), I've been doing much better overall. I would recommend

you

> give the inulin a try.

>

> I was EXTREMELY skeptical about the inulin, and it may be to early

to

> really tell, but overall I'm feeling better mentally and energy wise

> lately since beginning and maintaining the two supplements. I'm also

> taking sauerkraut with just about every meal, and the briney juice

> from the jar, which is supposed to be chock full of good probiotic

> strains. Oh, and even though it goes against Bee's recommendations,

> I've also added in a little Fage greek style yoghurt, which has no

> added sugars and is full fat. It has some carbs, but I'm willing to

> take them because it is fermented and contains beneficial probiotic

> strains like acidophilus and bifidus, and I don't really eat enough

of

> it to get a huge carb. load anyway.

>

> I'm still experiencing some bloating and some abdominal distension,

> and also all of my stools are still pretty much loose and liquid,

but

> my gut just feels better overall so far. I'm hopeful for continued

> improvement over time sticking with the supplements.

>

> Just wanted to provide my two cents

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan and others, please correct me if I'm wrong, but logic tells me that a

diet high in

quality fat (butter, coconut oil, olive oil) diet would also be alkaizing

(spelling?) My logic is

as follows: bile is highly alkaline, and the gallbladder can completely empty

after a fatty

meal. So as I imagine it, the more fat one eats, the more bile the body tries to

produce,

and therefore the more alkaline a body will become. Is this correct?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

well you may have a good point there. I didnt' used to eat much fats

(the good ones). And once I went on this stricter candida diet, I

found I didnt have as much to eat so I was cooking much more and using

much more fat like butter, olive oil, coconut oil and even eating the

fat on the meat with the meat. Upon doing this, after a few weeks or

even earlier, I began to notice that I was actually salivating more

normally when hungry (when before I hadn't), appetite improved, a

little much needed weight wet on and skin seemed better.

So I know it benefits the body most definitely. Weird thing is, I was

eating these deep fried potatoe crisps (fried usually in the vegetable

oils) ages ago and I started to get heart problems with it. And then I

realised that the type of fat makes all the difference.

The good fats never caused a problem yet I eat them liberally everyday

and even fry with them often.

> Duncan and others, please correct me if I'm wrong, but logic tells me

that a diet high in

> quality fat (butter, coconut oil, olive oil) diet would also be

alkaizing (spelling?) My logic is

> as follows: bile is highly alkaline, and the gallbladder can

completely empty after a fatty

> meal. So as I imagine it, the more fat one eats, the more bile the

body tries to produce,

> and therefore the more alkaline a body will become. Is this correct?

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Duncan and others, please correct me if I'm wrong, but logic tells me

that a diet high in

> quality fat (butter, coconut oil, olive oil) diet would also be

alkaizing (spelling?) My logic is

> as follows: bile is highly alkaline, and the gallbladder can

completely empty after a fatty

> meal. So as I imagine it, the more fat one eats, the more bile the

body tries to produce,

> and therefore the more alkaline a body will become. Is this correct?

> Thanks,

>

I just know that coconut oil and butter are

accepted for candida diets, and people claim coconut is anti-

bacterial. I also read that you want your system to switch from

burning carbs, to burning fat. Fat is not necessarily bad for you.

It depends on the kind of fat. There are good fats and coconut oil is

one of them, from what I understand and so is olive oil.

[Guest guest]

Elements concentrated in the bile are not created there but taken

from somewhere else in the body, so producing bile doesn't alkalize

you and you need the mineral intake. I don't know if the oils are in

the alkaline ash foods table.

Duncan

>

> Duncan and others, please correct me if I'm wrong, but logic tells

me that a diet high in

> quality fat (butter, coconut oil, olive oil) diet would also be

alkaizing (spelling?) My logic is

> as follows: bile is highly alkaline, and the gallbladder can

completely empty after a fatty

> meal. So as I imagine it, the more fat one eats, the more bile the

body tries to produce,

> and therefore the more alkaline a body will become. Is this correct?

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

How long have you been following that regimine? I am curious because I

am gettting tired of the bloated feeling and the loose bowels even

though I assume the looseness is related to the elimination of the

intestinal candida.

Hope to hear from you soon -

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie welcome to the group - I am sure you will find lots of helpful stuff on here. I am also Hypo - and recently discovered a cousin has Haemochromatosis - quite recently diagnosed I think - she had heart trouble for a while. She has been giving her blood for a while and her Iron levels have dropped from 900 to about 150 - they want her to be around 60 apparently. Since my iron levels are very nearly at the top of the range 10 - 205 I am going for blood tests on 6th Feb (thankfully someone in this group told me what test to ask for). I also searched and found one in Australia - http://au./group/Ironic/ They have a good files section and a welcome pack that gives some dietary advice. It

seems to me though that apart from being careful with red meat - the only effective treatment is bloodletting. This would pose no problem to me as I have been a blood donor for years - but it really is pretty easy as long as you remember to replace the fluid taken.

Best wishes and Good Luck

Pippa

[Guest guest]

Hello Debbie and welcome to our forum.

First, ask your GP to test your levels of iron, transferrin

saturation%, ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and

zinc. When the results come through, post them here on the forum together with

the reference range for each test done and we will help with their

interpretation. Never allow a doctor to tell you that your results are 'normal'

because they tell patients that if they are right at the bottom, the middle or

the top of the reference range.

We can then start to take it from there.

Luv - Sheila

Hi, my name is Debbie and I'm a newbie here.

I have been underactive for 12 years and now have haemochromotosis to boot!

Can anyone suggest a healthy-living diet to help combat the effects I'm

suffering with?

It's the usual stuff: fatigue, insomnia, depression - generally feeling run

down.

I will be writing to Dr. Peatfield to be on the waiting list for a consultation

but I understand that list is pretty long. Any advice in the meantime will be

greatly appreciated.

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