Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Hi , Hormones can cause muscle pain and so can lack of B Vitamins. So I've learned this week. I also have many trigger points that cause serious pain and am getting therapy for about the same time as you. I'm hoping once I balance all this out the muscle pain will go away. Rochelle Ives <mmives@...> wrote: Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight muscles that don't respond to massage? I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and releasing. I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my shoulders are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It runs along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs down to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that muscle relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a move that you need to be able to do). I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this is far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up. I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that can cause this? What is in charge of the muscles? Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Sounds like you're not absorbing the magnesium, ; if it's absorbed it doesn't cause the laxative effect. Try magnesium orotate, which is the exact form the cells transport the calcium across the cell membrane as. Gooogle Dr. Hans Neiper. Duncan > > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight muscles that don't respond to massage? > > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and releasing. > > I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my shoulders are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It runs along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs down to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that muscle relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a move that you need to be able to do). > > I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this is far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up. > > I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that can cause this? What is in charge of the muscles? > > Best, > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Hmmm, that's what I thought as well. Which hormones, in your experience? I actually have a pretty good feeling that it is my low estrogen ..... Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? > Hi , > Hormones can cause muscle pain and so can lack of B Vitamins. So I've > learned this week. I also have many trigger points that cause serious pain > and am getting therapy for about the same time as you. I'm hoping once I > balance all this out the muscle pain will go away. > Rochelle > > Ives <mmives@...> wrote: > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight > muscles that don't respond to massage? > > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) every > week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are three > of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted > briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even > respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they seem > to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and > releasing. > > I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my shoulders > are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It runs > along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs down > to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my > lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that muscle > relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a move that > you need to be able to do). > > I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this is > far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when > it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up. > > I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to > relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that can > cause this? What is in charge of the muscles? > > Best, > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 I'll look into the orotate, thanks, Duncan. The one I'm using is an amino acid chelate, its supposed to be one of the easiest to absorb, from my understanding. Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? > Sounds like you're not absorbing the magnesium, ; if it's > absorbed it doesn't cause the laxative effect. Try magnesium orotate, > which is the exact form the cells transport the calcium across the > cell membrane as. Gooogle Dr. Hans Neiper. > > Duncan > > > >> >> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight > muscles that don't respond to massage? >> >> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful > stuff) every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists > (there are three of them) have not seen a significant change in my > muscles. I chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my > muscles don't even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot > out, she said they seem to contract and fight her, rather than > relaxing and giving i to it and releasing. >> >> I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my > shoulders are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles > (knots). It runs along that muscle that goes along either side of > your spine and runs down to the lower back, which is tight like a > band from hip to hip across my lower back, to the point where I quite > literally cannot make that muscle relax to rotate my pelvis forward > (I ride horses, so this is a move that you need to be able to do). >> >> I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and > this is far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a > celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when it gets really bad and the > tension headaches start up. >> >> I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want > to relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage > that can cause this? What is in charge of the muscles? >> >> Best, >> >> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com >> http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ >> >> Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one > wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to > die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Hi. I don't know which ones exactly other than the estrogens and/or progesterone. I've been overdosed and unaware until testing last week and told it could be the cause of some of the muscle pain. Then another professional mentioned my b deficiency contributing to low adrenal function. Oh what a mess. At least now I can start correcting everything. Rochelle Ives <mmives@...> wrote: Hmmm, that's what I thought as well. Which hormones, in your experience? I actually have a pretty good feeling that it is my low estrogen ..... Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? > Hi , > Hormones can cause muscle pain and so can lack of B Vitamins. So I've > learned this week. I also have many trigger points that cause serious pain > and am getting therapy for about the same time as you. I'm hoping once I > balance all this out the muscle pain will go away. > Rochelle > > Ives <mmives@...> wrote: > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight > muscles that don't respond to massage? > > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) every > week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are three > of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted > briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even > respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they seem > to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and > releasing. > > I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my shoulders > are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It runs > along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs down > to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my > lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that muscle > relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a move that > you need to be able to do). > > I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this is > far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when > it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up. > > I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to > relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that can > cause this? What is in charge of the muscles? > > Best, > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it fits what you are experiencing. What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage (and I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary MP knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would release a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and sometimes the pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next appt, they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the first pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that level. FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And when I was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years simply vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe the direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not worth the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work it lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can tell if I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between pain and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could do. I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and muscle pain. Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those muscles AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like I'm just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that is indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a muscle that is contracted and already can't relax. sol Ives wrote: > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight muscles that don't respond to massage? > > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and releasing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Hi : I believe chronic muscle pain comes from TOXINS that are given off by the Candida overgrowth in the gut. That should be addressed first. Women are rarely LOW in Estrogen, unless they're very thin as our Fat Cells are what produce Estrogen among other things. If you are 35 to 55, it is far more likely that you would be low in Progesterone. Bonnie Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? > Hi , > Hormones can cause muscle pain and so can lack of B Vitamins. So I've > learned this week. I also have many trigger points that cause serious pain > and am getting therapy for about the same time as you. I'm hoping once I > balance all this out the muscle pain will go away. > Rochelle > > Ives <mmives@...> wrote: > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight > muscles that don't respond to massage? > > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) every > week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are three > of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted > briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even > respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they seem > to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and > releasing. > > I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my shoulders > are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It runs > along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs down > to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my > lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that muscle > relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a move that > you need to be able to do). > > I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this is > far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when > it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up. > > I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to > relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that can > cause this? What is in charge of the muscles? > > Best, > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 It might help you to know that two of my fibromyalgia clients were pain free in a few and several days respectively, and two others took 2 1/2 and six weeks. You never know; more than a third of fibro patients are low on HGH according to the research. What the research does not usually examine is reasons for the low HGH in the first place; I like to think that much of that can be recovered on a diet that does not suppress HGH release, and also using HGH augmenters until the body heals, including the pituitary and HGH output itself, at a more youthful level. Duncan > > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight > > muscles that don't respond to massage? > > > > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) every > > week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are three > > of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted > > briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even > > respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they seem > > to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and > > releasing. > > > > I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my shoulders > > are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It runs > > along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs down > > to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my > > lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that muscle > > relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a move that > > you need to be able to do). > > > > I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this is > > far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when > > it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up. > > > > I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to > > relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that can > > cause this? What is in charge of the muscles? > > > > Best, > > > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com > > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ > > > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants > > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do > > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Well, I have been told I have fibromyalgia. But that is not a " diagnosis " to me. Something caused that, something is unbalanced, and I'm hoping to find out what that is and correct it. Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? > Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it fits > what you are experiencing. > > What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage (and > I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary MP > knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would release > a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and sometimes the > pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next appt, > they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage > technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the first > pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that level. > FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And when I > was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years simply > vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from > trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral > treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe the > direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not worth > the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work it > lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can tell if > I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've > journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between pain > and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means > anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could do. > I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and > muscle pain. > Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those muscles > AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like I'm > just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that is > indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a muscle > that is contracted and already can't relax. > sol > > Ives wrote: >> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight muscles >> that don't respond to massage? >> >> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) >> every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are >> three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I >> chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't >> even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said >> they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to >> it and releasing. >> >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Bonnie, I have tested. My progesterone is fine, my good estrogen is low (tehre are three types), my bad estrogen (estradiol) is high. I'm working on detoxing the bad estrogen, and replacing the good estrogen (estriol). Additionally, my candida is gone. I have no more candida symptoms at all. I have also had blood tests, and done other home tests. None of my candida symptoms have come back after resuming a normal diet (though I do not overdo sugars or carbs). Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? > > > Hi , > > Hormones can cause muscle pain and so can lack of B Vitamins. So I've > > learned this week. I also have many trigger points that cause serious > pain > > and am getting therapy for about the same time as you. I'm hoping once > I > > balance all this out the muscle pain will go away. > > Rochelle > > > > Ives <mmives@...> wrote: > > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight > > muscles that don't respond to massage? > > > > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) > every > > week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are > three > > of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted > > briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even > > respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they > seem > > to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and > > releasing. > > > > I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my > shoulders > > are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It > runs > > along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs > down > > to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my > > lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that > muscle > > relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a move > that > > you need to be able to do). > > > > I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this > is > > far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub > when > > it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up. > > > > I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to > > relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that > can > > cause this? What is in charge of the muscles? > > > > Best, > > > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com > > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ > > > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants > > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so > do > > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 , How long did it take you to recover from the candida and what antifungals did you use? I too have hormonal issues which I think will improve once I get my candida load down...again. I relapsed from bad diet choices, so back at it again. > > > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight > > > muscles that don't respond to massage? > > > > > > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) > > every > > > week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are > > three > > > of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted > > > briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even > > > respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they > > seem > > > to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and > > > releasing. > > > > > > I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my > > shoulders > > > are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It > > runs > > > along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs > > down > > > to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my > > > lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that > > muscle > > > relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a move > > that > > > you need to be able to do). > > > > > > I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this > > is > > > far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub > > when > > > it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up. > > > > > > I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to > > > relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that > > can > > > cause this? What is in charge of the muscles? > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com > > > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants > > > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so > > do > > > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Oh, I forgot to mention, I do get weekly chiropractic along ith the massage, and monthly craniosacral. What helped me the most was Bowen, but my Bowen person had a baby last year and decided to be a SAHM. I've been looking for another ever since, and I think I might have a line on one, need to make a phone call next week. Cold weather is now upon us, and the cold definately has a negative effect. Most times I don't realize how cold I really am until I get into a hot shower. And my muscles contract and are tense for no reason. Just sitting here reading emails, I have to consciously relax my arm and shoulder and neck muscles, they tendto try to tense up on their own. Perhaps Feldenkras would help? Just need to find someone ....... (not to mention find the $$$) But, I still want to find the cause. I am on 3 1/2 grains of Armour thyroid (from synthroid for 10+ years) was on adrenal support for a year and weaned off completely about a month ago, and am on bioidentical estriol (which the doctor recently reduced, but I think that was a mistake, as I find that lowered estriol causes muscle cramping for me). It seems to, for me anyway, smooth and soften all muscles, not just the female ones. Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? > > >> Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it fits >> what you are experiencing. >> >> What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage (and >> I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary MP >> knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would release >> a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and sometimes the >> pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next appt, >> they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage >> technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the first >> pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that level. >> FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And when I >> was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years simply >> vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from >> trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral >> treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe the >> direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not worth >> the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work it >> lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can tell if >> I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've >> journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between pain >> and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means >> anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could do. >> I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and >> muscle pain. >> Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those muscles >> AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like I'm >> just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that is >> indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a muscle >> that is contracted and already can't relax. >> sol >> >> Ives wrote: >>> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight muscles >>> that don't respond to massage? >>> >>> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) >>> every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there >>> are >>> three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I >>> chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't >>> even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said >>> they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i >>> to >>> it and releasing. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Just a thought, but you might want to try supplementing with 4,000 iu of vitamind D per day for 4 weeks to see what effect that has on your symptoms. Lower levels of vit D has been associated with chronic muscle pain. It wont hurt and it seems like you tried all of the other usual suspects (thyroid and adrenal support, magnesium, etc.). Another thought, do you take antacids or acid reducers for heart burn? If so, that could be blocking your absorption of minerals. Buddy On 10/14/07, Ives <mmives@...> wrote: > > Oh, I forgot to mention, I do get weekly chiropractic along ith the > massage, > and monthly craniosacral. What helped me the most was Bowen, but my Bowen > person had a baby last year and decided to be a SAHM. I've been looking > for > another ever since, and I think I might have a line on one, need to make a > > phone call next week. > > Cold weather is now upon us, and the cold definately has a negative > effect. > Most times I don't realize how cold I really am until I get into a hot > shower. And my muscles contract and are tense for no reason. Just sitting > here reading emails, I have to consciously relax my arm and shoulder and > neck muscles, they tendto try to tense up on their own. > > Perhaps Feldenkras would help? Just need to find someone ....... (not to > mention find the $$$) > > But, I still want to find the cause. I am on 3 1/2 grains of Armour > thyroid > (from synthroid for 10+ years) was on adrenal support for a year and > weaned > off completely about a month ago, and am on bioidentical estriol (which > the > doctor recently reduced, but I think that was a mistake, as I find that > lowered estriol causes muscle cramping for me). It seems to, for me > anyway, > smooth and soften all muscles, not just the female ones. > > Best, > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com <http://www.chestnuthilldesigns.com/> > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama > Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? > > > > > >> Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it fits > >> what you are experiencing. > >> > >> What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage (and > >> I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary MP > >> knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would > release > >> a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and sometimes > the > >> pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next appt, > >> they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage > >> technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the first > >> pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that level. > >> FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And when I > >> was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years simply > >> vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from > >> trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral > >> treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe the > >> direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not worth > >> the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work it > >> lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can tell if > >> I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've > >> journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between pain > >> and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means > >> anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could do. > >> I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and > >> muscle pain. > >> Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those muscles > >> AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like I'm > >> just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that is > >> indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a muscle > >> that is contracted and already can't relax. > >> sol > >> > >> Ives wrote: > >>> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight > muscles > >>> that don't respond to massage? > >>> > >>> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) > >>> every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there > >>> are > >>> three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I > >>> chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't > >>> even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said > >>> they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i > > >>> to > >>> it and releasing. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 My biotin deficiency was also causing me muscle pain. W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Hi Buddy, thanks for the thoughts. I am on Vit. A & D, 10,000 & 400, 2x/day. Maybe I should up that or add in more D? I am outside minimum of 2x/day and get sunlight daily, and this has been a particularly sunny summer. Also I have only full spectrum lighting in the house. I also take Selenium (400 mg) CoQ10 (100 mg) Sublingual B12 (4/day) Gaia Herbs brand Adrenal Health (herbal adrenal support w/rhodiola and others) Super Gram III Vit. C (3,000 mg/day split) Magnesium amino acid chelate (800mg/day split) Vit. A & D 10,000/400 2x/day Vit. E. 1,000 mg MSM/Glucosamine/Hyluronic Acid 2x Alpha Lipoic Acid Olive Leaf (antiviral) DIM (detox xenoestrogens) EFA chastetree berry (estrogen support) Calcium di-glucarate (detox) Essiac Tea (detox support/anti-cancer) Jiaogulan (oxygenates blood) Guafinisen (thins mucin) Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? >> > >> > >> >> Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it >> >> fits >> >> what you are experiencing. >> >> >> >> What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage >> >> (and >> >> I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary MP >> >> knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would >> release >> >> a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and sometimes >> the >> >> pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next appt, >> >> they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage >> >> technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the >> >> first >> >> pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that level. >> >> FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And when >> >> I >> >> was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years simply >> >> vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from >> >> trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral >> >> treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe >> >> the >> >> direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not worth >> >> the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work it >> >> lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can tell >> >> if >> >> I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've >> >> journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between pain >> >> and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means >> >> anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could do. >> >> I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and >> >> muscle pain. >> >> Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those >> >> muscles >> >> AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like >> >> I'm >> >> just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that is >> >> indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a muscle >> >> that is contracted and already can't relax. >> >> sol >> >> >> >> Ives wrote: >> >>> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight >> muscles >> >>> that don't respond to massage? >> >>> >> >>> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) >> >>> every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there >> >>> are >> >>> three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I >> >>> chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles >> >>> don't >> >>> even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said >> >>> they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving >> >>> i >> >> >>> to >> >>> it and releasing. >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Hmmm, I'll look into this. I do have thin hair, and very thin fingernails. How much do we generally need in a day, and how much to correct a defiency? Did you test first? Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? > My biotin deficiency was also causing me muscle pain. > W > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Hi , have you ever had chicken pox or shingles? This is because I have a theory that fibromyalgia could be caused by the herpes (zoster?) virus lying dormant and then emerging when the system is low and then attacking the nerves. I am experimenting with l-lysine at the moment along with minerals vits etc., as I suffer from this too. Dee -- Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? Well, I have been told I have fibromyalgia. But that is not a " diagnosis " to me. Something caused that, something is unbalanced, and I'm hoping to find out what that is and correct it. Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Gee , great to hear that you cured yourself of the candida overgrowth. Have you shared how you did it before? Would you be willing to? If you already have could you direct me to the post? Please feel free to not clog the list and email me privately. If I already missed this wonderful information, please forgive me. I try to be diligent about going through these gems each day, but sometimes lose track. Thanks, Ives <mmives@...> wrote: Bonnie, I have tested. My progesterone is fine, my good estrogen is low (tehre are three types), my bad estrogen (estradiol) is high. I'm working on detoxing the bad estrogen, and replacing the good estrogen (estriol). Additionally, my candida is gone. I have no more candida symptoms at all. I have also had blood tests, and done other home tests. None of my candida symptoms have come back after resuming a normal diet (though I do not overdo sugars or carbs). Best, Recent Activity 18 New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. FruitaBü Parents Healthy Eating Zone A parenting resource on . Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. . --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Do you take all that everyday? If so, you might want to consider going off of all that for a bit. I dont have any data to back it up, but I think too much synthetic supplements could create issues. I use some synthetics (like Vit D), but otherwise I try to stick with the whole food supplements. Buddy On 10/14/07, Ives <mmives@...> wrote: > > Hi Buddy, thanks for the thoughts. I am on Vit. A & D, 10,000 & 400, > 2x/day. > Maybe I should up that or add in more D? I am outside minimum of 2x/day > and > get sunlight daily, and this has been a particularly sunny summer. Also I > have only full spectrum lighting in the house. I also take > Selenium (400 mg) > CoQ10 (100 mg) > Sublingual B12 (4/day) > Gaia Herbs brand Adrenal Health (herbal adrenal support w/rhodiola and > others) > Super Gram III Vit. C (3,000 mg/day split) > Magnesium amino acid chelate (800mg/day split) > Vit. A & D 10,000/400 2x/day > Vit. E. 1,000 mg > MSM/Glucosamine/Hyluronic Acid 2x > Alpha Lipoic Acid > Olive Leaf (antiviral) > DIM (detox xenoestrogens) > EFA > chastetree berry (estrogen support) > Calcium di-glucarate (detox) > Essiac Tea (detox support/anti-cancer) > Jiaogulan (oxygenates blood) > Guafinisen (thins mucin) > > Best, > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com <http://www.chestnuthilldesigns.com/> > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama > Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? > >> > > >> > > >> >> Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it > >> >> fits > >> >> what you are experiencing. > >> >> > >> >> What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage > >> >> (and > >> >> I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary > MP > >> >> knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would > >> release > >> >> a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and sometimes > >> the > >> >> pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next > appt, > >> >> they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage > >> >> technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the > >> >> first > >> >> pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that > level. > >> >> FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And > when > >> >> I > >> >> was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years simply > >> >> vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from > >> >> trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral > >> >> treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe > >> >> the > >> >> direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not > worth > >> >> the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work > it > >> >> lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can tell > > >> >> if > >> >> I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've > >> >> journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between > pain > >> >> and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means > >> >> anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could > do. > >> >> I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and > >> >> muscle pain. > >> >> Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those > >> >> muscles > >> >> AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like > >> >> I'm > >> >> just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that > is > >> >> indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a > muscle > >> >> that is contracted and already can't relax. > >> >> sol > >> >> > >> >> Ives wrote: > >> >>> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight > >> muscles > >> >>> that don't respond to massage? > >> >>> > >> >>> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful > stuff) > >> >>> every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists > (there > >> >>> are > >> >>> three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I > >> >>> chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles > >> >>> don't > >> >>> even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she > said > >> >>> they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and > giving > >> >>> i > >> > >> >>> to > >> >>> it and releasing. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I had chicken pox as a kid, never shingles. I am also EBV+, sorta high titers so reactivated, but I have no idea for how long (at least a year, since that is the first time I tested for it). Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? > > Well, I have been told I have fibromyalgia. But that is not a " diagnosis " > to me. Something caused that, something is unbalanced, and I'm hoping to > find out what that is and correct it. > > Best, > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Oh gosh, I don't remember if I outlined all of it. I did this last fall, actually just about a year ago. I first went on the Candida diet. I ate meat and low-glyecemic veggies only. I used only a dab of heavy cream in my am coffee with stevia, and that was the only sweetener I had. I was told by my doctor that I could have sourdough bread, and I did have maybe one slice a day to make a 1/2 sandwich for lunch. I also went on Diflucan for about a week, then went off it and switched to Nystatin. I was on Nystatin for, hmm, I think a month or so? I also used Monolaurin, Olive Leaf, Oregano Oil and Colloidal Silver daily. I did very well for 3 months until I just started to have a little bit of Pasta, and I think I had one brownie at Christmas last year, then I got a respiratory infection and had to go on abx. I started to feel the candida come back, so went back on the diet fully and took another week of Diflucan, and I have been fine every since! I haven't used the supplements in probably 2 months now, so I did keep them up for quite some time. I don't eat as many sweets as I used to, but I don't crave them as much, either. I do like to have a little something sweet after dinner each evening, and usually have some kind of baked good, a cookie, home made pie, or a bit of ice cream. I do avoid candy (don't really like it anyway, too sweet). I have honey in my tea, the tip of a teaspoon of Turbinado sugar in my am coffee, and I use sprouted breads only for my lunch-time sandwich, and I often have Steel Cut oats for breakfast, or cheerios when I'm in a hurry. I usually have pizza on friday nights, and sometimes have a somewhat heavy-carb meal on weekends when we are not home (for example, had ab-day party for my mother today, so I ate a lot of pasta -- baked ziti -- yum). But the rest of the week I cook no carbs at all, or if I do, it might be one day a week, couscous, pasta, brown rice, or maybe a baked potato. I had blood tests before treating for Candida, which showed an active infection. And I retested again a few months ago, which nothing. =D Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? Gee , great to hear that you cured yourself of the candida overgrowth. Have you shared how you did it before? Would you be willing to? If you already have could you direct me to the post? Please feel free to not clog the list and email me privately. If I already missed this wonderful information, please forgive me. I try to be diligent about going through these gems each day, but sometimes lose track. Thanks, Ives <mmives@...> wrote: Bonnie, I have tested. My progesterone is fine, my good estrogen is low (tehre are three types), my bad estrogen (estradiol) is high. I'm working on detoxing the bad estrogen, and replacing the good estrogen (estriol). Additionally, my candida is gone. I have no more candida symptoms at all. I have also had blood tests, and done other home tests. None of my candida symptoms have come back after resuming a normal diet (though I do not overdo sugars or carbs). Best, Recent Activity 18 New Members Visit Your Group Having cancer is hard Finding help shouldn´t be. FruitaBü Parents Healthy Eating Zone A parenting resource on . Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. . --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I just wrote it all up in reply to 's post. ;-) Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? > , > How long did it take you to recover from the candida and what > antifungals did you use? I too have hormonal issues which I think > will improve once I get my candida load down...again. I relapsed from > bad diet choices, so back at it again. > > > >> > > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight >> > > muscles that don't respond to massage? >> > > >> > > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful > stuff) >> > every >> > > week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there > are >> > three >> > > of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I > chatted >> > > briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't > even >> > > respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she > said they >> > seem >> > > to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i > to it and >> > > releasing. >> > > >> > > I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, > my >> > shoulders >> > > are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles > (knots). It >> > runs >> > > along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine > and runs >> > down >> > > to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip > across my >> > > lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make > that >> > muscle >> > > relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a > move >> > that >> > > you need to be able to do). >> > > >> > > I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., > and this >> > is >> > > far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a > celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub >> > when >> > > it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up. >> > > >> > > I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not > want to >> > > relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or > blockage that >> > can >> > > cause this? What is in charge of the muscles? >> > > >> > > Best, >> > > >> > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com >> > > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ >> > > >> > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as > one wants >> > > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to > die, so >> > do >> > > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama >> > > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Yes, I take all those every day. And No, I will not go off them. I recently went off most of them about 3 weeks ago, becuase I ran out of almost all of the but a couple of things, and didn't have the money to reorder right away. I felt AWFUL without them! I was exhausted, lethargic, my arms felt like lead , I was grumpy, and I started to get sores on my tongue again, that i used to have for many years. A week back on my supplements, and I'm feeling better, and the sores on my tongue are gone. My tongue gets so sensitive that my own teeth feel like razor blades. I have no idea which supplement or what deficiency that is caused by, but its a horrible feelings. I don't believe any of those are synthetics Best, http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com http://shellyct.blogspot.com/ Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama Re: Chronic muscle pain ??? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it >> >> >> fits >> >> >> what you are experiencing. >> >> >> >> >> >> What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage >> >> >> (and >> >> >> I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary >> MP >> >> >> knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would >> >> release >> >> >> a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and >> >> >> sometimes >> >> the >> >> >> pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next >> appt, >> >> >> they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage >> >> >> technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the >> >> >> first >> >> >> pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that >> level. >> >> >> FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And >> when >> >> >> I >> >> >> was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years >> >> >> simply >> >> >> vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from >> >> >> trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral >> >> >> treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe >> >> >> the >> >> >> direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not >> worth >> >> >> the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work >> it >> >> >> lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can >> >> >> tell >> >> >> >> if >> >> >> I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've >> >> >> journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between >> pain >> >> >> and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means >> >> >> anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could >> do. >> >> >> I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and >> >> >> muscle pain. >> >> >> Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those >> >> >> muscles >> >> >> AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like >> >> >> I'm >> >> >> just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that >> is >> >> >> indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a >> muscle >> >> >> that is contracted and already can't relax. >> >> >> sol >> >> >> >> >> >> Ives wrote: >> >> >>> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight >> >> muscles >> >> >>> that don't respond to massage? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful >> stuff) >> >> >>> every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists >> (there >> >> >>> are >> >> >>> three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I >> >> >>> chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles >> >> >>> don't >> >> >>> even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she >> said >> >> >>> they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and >> giving >> >> >>> i >> >> >> >> >>> to >> >> >>> it and releasing. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 , I believe you have Fibromyalgia & /or Chronic Myofascial Pain Syndrome. If you are new to Fibromyalgia, research all you can, talk to others & do not give up. FM usually shows itself after a illness or some type of stress to the body like a car accident etc. I have had FM & MPS since 1985. How is your sleep? Are you sleeping through the night? Do you have allergies? I believe allergies had something to do with me being ill. Get your full sleep, take the time you need to rest, drink lots of water. Really listen to your body, respect yourself & listen to your inner voice. It is not lying to you. Do not try to work out & build muscle where there are trigger points. You can not build muscle there. It will make them worse. The trigger points have to be released first. You release them by constant pressure. Tennis balls in a sock are good for the neck area. I do believe cranio-sacral work helps. Just a lot of it. As for me I have done everything I can think of, taken every supplement, every test & lots of body work, only I have never released one. I believe FM only gets worse as the years go by. So do every thing you can to get well. Research & talk to others that have gone before you. They have a lot of information on what has worked & not worked. If you would like to talk you are welcome to email. I have several books I can also recommend. Best of Luck, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Hi, You can google, for further research. With my half knowledge, I feel, Chicken pox, after running its full course, remains in the body in the latent form of Herpes Zoaster or Shingles. It can break out later even 25yrs. of having remained latent. You have never heard of this. =================================== Ives wrote: > I had chicken pox as a kid, never shingles. > > I am also EBV+, sorta high titers so reactivated, but I have no idea for how > long (at least a year, since that is the first time I tested for it). > > Best, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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