Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Hormones can cause muscle pain and so can lack of B Vitamins. So I've learned

this week. I also have many trigger points that cause serious pain and am

getting therapy for about the same time as you. I'm hoping once I balance all

this out the muscle pain will go away.

Rochelle

Ives <mmives@...> wrote:

Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

muscles that don't respond to massage?

I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) every week

for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are three of them)

have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted briefly with the one

today, and she said that my muscles don't even respond when she is in there

trying to work a knot out, she said they seem to contract and fight her, rather

than relaxing and giving i to it and releasing.

I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my shoulders are

as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It runs along

that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs down to the lower

back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my lower back, to the

point where I quite literally cannot make that muscle relax to rotate my pelvis

forward (I ride horses, so this is a move that you need to be able to do).

I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this is far

beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when it gets

really bad and the tension headaches start up.

I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to relax? Is

there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that can cause this? What

is in charge of the muscles?

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do other

creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you're not absorbing the magnesium, ; if it's

absorbed it doesn't cause the laxative effect. Try magnesium orotate,

which is the exact form the cells transport the calcium across the

cell membrane as. Gooogle Dr. Hans Neiper.

Duncan

>

> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

muscles that don't respond to massage?

>

> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful

stuff) every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists

(there are three of them) have not seen a significant change in my

muscles. I chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my

muscles don't even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot

out, she said they seem to contract and fight her, rather than

relaxing and giving i to it and releasing.

>

> I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my

shoulders are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles

(knots). It runs along that muscle that goes along either side of

your spine and runs down to the lower back, which is tight like a

band from hip to hip across my lower back, to the point where I quite

literally cannot make that muscle relax to rotate my pelvis forward

(I ride horses, so this is a move that you need to be able to do).

>

> I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and

this is far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a

celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when it gets really bad and the

tension headaches start up.

>

> I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want

to relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage

that can cause this? What is in charge of the muscles?

>

> Best,

>

> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>

> Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one

wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to

die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, that's what I thought as well. Which hormones, in your experience? I

actually have a pretty good feeling that it is my low estrogen .....

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

> Hi ,

> Hormones can cause muscle pain and so can lack of B Vitamins. So I've

> learned this week. I also have many trigger points that cause serious pain

> and am getting therapy for about the same time as you. I'm hoping once I

> balance all this out the muscle pain will go away.

> Rochelle

>

> Ives <mmives@...> wrote:

> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

> muscles that don't respond to massage?

>

> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) every

> week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are three

> of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted

> briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even

> respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they seem

> to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and

> releasing.

>

> I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my shoulders

> are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It runs

> along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs down

> to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my

> lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that muscle

> relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a move that

> you need to be able to do).

>

> I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this is

> far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when

> it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up.

>

> I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to

> relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that can

> cause this? What is in charge of the muscles?

>

> Best,

>

> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>

> Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

> happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

> other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll look into the orotate, thanks, Duncan. The one I'm using is an amino

acid chelate, its supposed to be one of the easiest to absorb, from my

understanding.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

> Sounds like you're not absorbing the magnesium, ; if it's

> absorbed it doesn't cause the laxative effect. Try magnesium orotate,

> which is the exact form the cells transport the calcium across the

> cell membrane as. Gooogle Dr. Hans Neiper.

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>>

>> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

> muscles that don't respond to massage?

>>

>> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful

> stuff) every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists

> (there are three of them) have not seen a significant change in my

> muscles. I chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my

> muscles don't even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot

> out, she said they seem to contract and fight her, rather than

> relaxing and giving i to it and releasing.

>>

>> I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my

> shoulders are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles

> (knots). It runs along that muscle that goes along either side of

> your spine and runs down to the lower back, which is tight like a

> band from hip to hip across my lower back, to the point where I quite

> literally cannot make that muscle relax to rotate my pelvis forward

> (I ride horses, so this is a move that you need to be able to do).

>>

>> I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and

> this is far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a

> celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when it gets really bad and the

> tension headaches start up.

>>

>> I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want

> to relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage

> that can cause this? What is in charge of the muscles?

>>

>> Best,

>>

>> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

>> http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>>

>> Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one

> wants happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to

> die, so do other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi. I don't know which ones exactly other than the estrogens and/or

progesterone. I've been overdosed and unaware until testing last week and told

it could be the cause of some of the muscle pain. Then another professional

mentioned my b deficiency contributing to low adrenal function. Oh what a mess.

At least now I can start correcting everything.

Rochelle

Ives <mmives@...> wrote:

Hmmm, that's what I thought as well. Which hormones, in your

experience? I

actually have a pretty good feeling that it is my low estrogen .....

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

> Hi ,

> Hormones can cause muscle pain and so can lack of B Vitamins. So I've

> learned this week. I also have many trigger points that cause serious pain

> and am getting therapy for about the same time as you. I'm hoping once I

> balance all this out the muscle pain will go away.

> Rochelle

>

> Ives <mmives@...> wrote:

> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

> muscles that don't respond to massage?

>

> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) every

> week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are three

> of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted

> briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even

> respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they seem

> to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and

> releasing.

>

> I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my shoulders

> are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It runs

> along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs down

> to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my

> lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that muscle

> relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a move that

> you need to be able to do).

>

> I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this is

> far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when

> it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up.

>

> I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to

> relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that can

> cause this? What is in charge of the muscles?

>

> Best,

>

> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>

> Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

> happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

> other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it fits

what you are experiencing.

What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage (and

I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary MP

knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would release

a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and sometimes the

pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next appt,

they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage

technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the first

pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that level.

FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And when I

was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years simply

vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from

trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral

treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe the

direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not worth

the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work it

lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can tell if

I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've

journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between pain

and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means

anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could do.

I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and

muscle pain.

Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those muscles

AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like I'm

just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that is

indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a muscle

that is contracted and already can't relax.

sol

Ives wrote:

> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight muscles that

don't respond to massage?

>

> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) every

week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are three of

them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted briefly with

the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even respond when she is in

there trying to work a knot out, she said they seem to contract and fight her,

rather than relaxing and giving i to it and releasing.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I believe chronic muscle pain comes from TOXINS that are given off by the

Candida overgrowth in the gut. That should be addressed first.

Women are rarely LOW in Estrogen, unless they're very thin as our Fat Cells are

what produce Estrogen among other things. If you are 35 to 55, it is far more

likely that you would be low in Progesterone.

Bonnie

Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

> Hi ,

> Hormones can cause muscle pain and so can lack of B Vitamins. So I've

> learned this week. I also have many trigger points that cause serious pain

> and am getting therapy for about the same time as you. I'm hoping once I

> balance all this out the muscle pain will go away.

> Rochelle

>

> Ives <mmives@...> wrote:

> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

> muscles that don't respond to massage?

>

> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff) every

> week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are three

> of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted

> briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even

> respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they seem

> to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and

> releasing.

>

> I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my shoulders

> are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It runs

> along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs down

> to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my

> lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that muscle

> relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a move that

> you need to be able to do).

>

> I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this is

> far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub when

> it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up.

>

> I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to

> relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that can

> cause this? What is in charge of the muscles?

>

> Best,

>

> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>

> Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

> happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

> other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

>

>

[Guest guest]

It might help you to know that two of my fibromyalgia clients were

pain free in a few and several days respectively, and two others took

2 1/2 and six weeks. You never know; more than a third of fibro

patients are low on HGH according to the research. What the research

does not usually examine is reasons for the low HGH in the first

place; I like to think that much of that can be recovered on a diet

that does not suppress HGH release, and also using HGH augmenters

until the body heals, including the pituitary and HGH output itself,

at a more youthful level.

Duncan

> > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle

pain? Tight

> > muscles that don't respond to massage?

> >

> > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful

stuff) every

> > week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there

are three

> > of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I

chatted

> > briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't

even

> > respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said

they seem

> > to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to

it and

> > releasing.

> >

> > I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my

shoulders

> > are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles

(knots). It runs

> > along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and

runs down

> > to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip

across my

> > lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that

muscle

> > relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a

move that

> > you need to be able to do).

> >

> > I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and

this is

> > far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol

rub when

> > it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up.

> >

> > I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not

want to

> > relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage

that can

> > cause this? What is in charge of the muscles?

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

> >

> > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one

wants

> > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to

die, so do

> > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, I have been told I have fibromyalgia. But that is not a " diagnosis "

to me. Something caused that, something is unbalanced, and I'm hoping to

find out what that is and correct it.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

> Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it fits

> what you are experiencing.

>

> What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage (and

> I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary MP

> knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would release

> a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and sometimes the

> pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next appt,

> they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage

> technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the first

> pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that level.

> FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And when I

> was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years simply

> vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from

> trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral

> treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe the

> direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not worth

> the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work it

> lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can tell if

> I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've

> journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between pain

> and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means

> anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could do.

> I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and

> muscle pain.

> Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those muscles

> AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like I'm

> just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that is

> indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a muscle

> that is contracted and already can't relax.

> sol

>

> Ives wrote:

>> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight muscles

>> that don't respond to massage?

>>

>> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff)

>> every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are

>> three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I

>> chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't

>> even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said

>> they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to

>> it and releasing.

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bonnie, I have tested. My progesterone is fine, my good estrogen is low

(tehre are three types), my bad estrogen (estradiol) is high. I'm working

on detoxing the bad estrogen, and replacing the good estrogen (estriol).

Additionally, my candida is gone. I have no more candida symptoms at all. I

have also had blood tests, and done other home tests. None of my candida

symptoms have come back after resuming a normal diet (though I do not overdo

sugars or carbs).

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

>

> > Hi ,

> > Hormones can cause muscle pain and so can lack of B Vitamins. So I've

> > learned this week. I also have many trigger points that cause serious

> pain

> > and am getting therapy for about the same time as you. I'm hoping once

> I

> > balance all this out the muscle pain will go away.

> > Rochelle

> >

> > Ives <mmives@...> wrote:

> > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

> > muscles that don't respond to massage?

> >

> > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff)

> every

> > week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there are

> three

> > of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I chatted

> > briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't even

> > respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said they

> seem

> > to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i to it and

> > releasing.

> >

> > I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches, my

> shoulders

> > are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles (knots). It

> runs

> > along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine and runs

> down

> > to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip across my

> > lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make that

> muscle

> > relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a move

> that

> > you need to be able to do).

> >

> > I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag., and this

> is

> > far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub

> when

> > it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up.

> >

> > I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not want to

> > relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or blockage that

> can

> > cause this? What is in charge of the muscles?

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

> >

> > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

> > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so

> do

> > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

How long did it take you to recover from the candida and what

antifungals did you use? I too have hormonal issues which I think

will improve once I get my candida load down...again. I relapsed from

bad diet choices, so back at it again.

> > > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

> > > muscles that don't respond to massage?

> > >

> > > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful

stuff)

> > every

> > > week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there

are

> > three

> > > of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I

chatted

> > > briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't

even

> > > respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she

said they

> > seem

> > > to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i

to it and

> > > releasing.

> > >

> > > I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches,

my

> > shoulders

> > > are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles

(knots). It

> > runs

> > > along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine

and runs

> > down

> > > to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip

across my

> > > lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make

that

> > muscle

> > > relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a

move

> > that

> > > you need to be able to do).

> > >

> > > I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag.,

and this

> > is

> > > far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a

celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub

> > when

> > > it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up.

> > >

> > > I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not

want to

> > > relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or

blockage that

> > can

> > > cause this? What is in charge of the muscles?

> > >

> > > Best,

> > >

> > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> > > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

> > >

> > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as

one wants

> > > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to

die, so

> > do

> > > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Oh, I forgot to mention, I do get weekly chiropractic along ith the massage,

and monthly craniosacral. What helped me the most was Bowen, but my Bowen

person had a baby last year and decided to be a SAHM. I've been looking for

another ever since, and I think I might have a line on one, need to make a

phone call next week.

Cold weather is now upon us, and the cold definately has a negative effect.

Most times I don't realize how cold I really am until I get into a hot

shower. And my muscles contract and are tense for no reason. Just sitting

here reading emails, I have to consciously relax my arm and shoulder and

neck muscles, they tendto try to tense up on their own.

Perhaps Feldenkras would help? Just need to find someone ....... (not to

mention find the $$$)

But, I still want to find the cause. I am on 3 1/2 grains of Armour thyroid

(from synthroid for 10+ years) was on adrenal support for a year and weaned

off completely about a month ago, and am on bioidentical estriol (which the

doctor recently reduced, but I think that was a mistake, as I find that

lowered estriol causes muscle cramping for me). It seems to, for me anyway,

smooth and soften all muscles, not just the female ones.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

>

>

>> Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it fits

>> what you are experiencing.

>>

>> What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage (and

>> I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary MP

>> knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would release

>> a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and sometimes the

>> pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next appt,

>> they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage

>> technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the first

>> pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that level.

>> FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And when I

>> was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years simply

>> vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from

>> trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral

>> treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe the

>> direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not worth

>> the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work it

>> lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can tell if

>> I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've

>> journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between pain

>> and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means

>> anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could do.

>> I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and

>> muscle pain.

>> Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those muscles

>> AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like I'm

>> just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that is

>> indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a muscle

>> that is contracted and already can't relax.

>> sol

>>

>> Ives wrote:

>>> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight muscles

>>> that don't respond to massage?

>>>

>>> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff)

>>> every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there

>>> are

>>> three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I

>>> chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't

>>> even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said

>>> they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i

>>> to

>>> it and releasing.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Just a thought, but you might want to try supplementing with 4,000 iu of

vitamind D per day for 4 weeks to see what effect that has on your

symptoms. Lower levels of vit D has been associated with chronic muscle

pain. It wont hurt and it seems like you tried all of the other usual

suspects (thyroid and adrenal support, magnesium, etc.).

Another thought, do you take antacids or acid reducers for heart burn? If

so, that could be blocking your absorption of minerals.

Buddy

On 10/14/07, Ives <mmives@...> wrote:

>

> Oh, I forgot to mention, I do get weekly chiropractic along ith the

> massage,

> and monthly craniosacral. What helped me the most was Bowen, but my Bowen

> person had a baby last year and decided to be a SAHM. I've been looking

> for

> another ever since, and I think I might have a line on one, need to make a

>

> phone call next week.

>

> Cold weather is now upon us, and the cold definately has a negative

> effect.

> Most times I don't realize how cold I really am until I get into a hot

> shower. And my muscles contract and are tense for no reason. Just sitting

> here reading emails, I have to consciously relax my arm and shoulder and

> neck muscles, they tendto try to tense up on their own.

>

> Perhaps Feldenkras would help? Just need to find someone ....... (not to

> mention find the $$$)

>

> But, I still want to find the cause. I am on 3 1/2 grains of Armour

> thyroid

> (from synthroid for 10+ years) was on adrenal support for a year and

> weaned

> off completely about a month ago, and am on bioidentical estriol (which

> the

> doctor recently reduced, but I think that was a mistake, as I find that

> lowered estriol causes muscle cramping for me). It seems to, for me

> anyway,

> smooth and soften all muscles, not just the female ones.

>

> Best,

>

> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com <http://www.chestnuthilldesigns.com/>

> http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>

> Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

> happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

> other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

> Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

> >

> >

> >> Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it fits

> >> what you are experiencing.

> >>

> >> What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage (and

> >> I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary MP

> >> knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would

> release

> >> a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and sometimes

> the

> >> pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next appt,

> >> they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage

> >> technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the first

> >> pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that level.

> >> FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And when I

> >> was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years simply

> >> vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from

> >> trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral

> >> treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe the

> >> direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not worth

> >> the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work it

> >> lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can tell if

> >> I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've

> >> journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between pain

> >> and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means

> >> anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could do.

> >> I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and

> >> muscle pain.

> >> Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those muscles

> >> AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like I'm

> >> just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that is

> >> indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a muscle

> >> that is contracted and already can't relax.

> >> sol

> >>

> >> Ives wrote:

> >>> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

> muscles

> >>> that don't respond to massage?

> >>>

> >>> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff)

> >>> every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there

> >>> are

> >>> three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I

> >>> chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't

> >>> even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said

> >>> they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i

>

> >>> to

> >>> it and releasing.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

My biotin deficiency was also causing me muscle pain.

W

[Guest guest]

Hi Buddy, thanks for the thoughts. I am on Vit. A & D, 10,000 & 400, 2x/day.

Maybe I should up that or add in more D? I am outside minimum of 2x/day and

get sunlight daily, and this has been a particularly sunny summer. Also I

have only full spectrum lighting in the house. I also take

Selenium (400 mg)

CoQ10 (100 mg)

Sublingual B12 (4/day)

Gaia Herbs brand Adrenal Health (herbal adrenal support w/rhodiola and

others)

Super Gram III Vit. C (3,000 mg/day split)

Magnesium amino acid chelate (800mg/day split)

Vit. A & D 10,000/400 2x/day

Vit. E. 1,000 mg

MSM/Glucosamine/Hyluronic Acid 2x

Alpha Lipoic Acid

Olive Leaf (antiviral)

DIM (detox xenoestrogens)

EFA

chastetree berry (estrogen support)

Calcium di-glucarate (detox)

Essiac Tea (detox support/anti-cancer)

Jiaogulan (oxygenates blood)

Guafinisen (thins mucin)

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

>> >

>> >

>> >> Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it

>> >> fits

>> >> what you are experiencing.

>> >>

>> >> What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage

>> >> (and

>> >> I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary MP

>> >> knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would

>> release

>> >> a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and sometimes

>> the

>> >> pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next appt,

>> >> they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage

>> >> technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the

>> >> first

>> >> pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that level.

>> >> FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And when

>> >> I

>> >> was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years simply

>> >> vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from

>> >> trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral

>> >> treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe

>> >> the

>> >> direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not worth

>> >> the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work it

>> >> lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can tell

>> >> if

>> >> I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've

>> >> journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between pain

>> >> and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means

>> >> anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could do.

>> >> I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and

>> >> muscle pain.

>> >> Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those

>> >> muscles

>> >> AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like

>> >> I'm

>> >> just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that is

>> >> indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a muscle

>> >> that is contracted and already can't relax.

>> >> sol

>> >>

>> >> Ives wrote:

>> >>> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

>> muscles

>> >>> that don't respond to massage?

>> >>>

>> >>> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful stuff)

>> >>> every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there

>> >>> are

>> >>> three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I

>> >>> chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles

>> >>> don't

>> >>> even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she said

>> >>> they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving

>> >>> i

>>

>> >>> to

>> >>> it and releasing.

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, I'll look into this. I do have thin hair, and very thin fingernails.

How much do we generally need in a day, and how much to correct a defiency?

Did you test first?

Best,

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http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

> My biotin deficiency was also causing me muscle pain.

> W

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , have you ever had chicken pox or shingles? This is because I

have a theory that fibromyalgia could be caused by the herpes (zoster?)

virus lying dormant and then emerging when the system is low and then

attacking the nerves. I am experimenting with l-lysine at the moment along

with minerals vits etc., as I suffer from this too. Dee

-- Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

Well, I have been told I have fibromyalgia. But that is not a " diagnosis "

to me. Something caused that, something is unbalanced, and I'm hoping to

find out what that is and correct it.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

[Guest guest]

Gee , great to hear that you cured yourself of the candida overgrowth.

Have you shared how you did it before? Would you be willing to? If you already

have could you direct me to the post? Please feel free to not clog the list and

email me privately. If I already missed this wonderful information, please

forgive me. I try to be diligent about going through these gems each day, but

sometimes lose track.

Thanks,

Ives <mmives@...> wrote:

Bonnie, I have tested. My progesterone is fine, my good estrogen is

low

(tehre are three types), my bad estrogen (estradiol) is high. I'm working

on detoxing the bad estrogen, and replacing the good estrogen (estriol).

Additionally, my candida is gone. I have no more candida symptoms at all. I

have also had blood tests, and done other home tests. None of my candida

symptoms have come back after resuming a normal diet (though I do not overdo

sugars or carbs).

Best,

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Do you take all that everyday?

If so, you might want to consider going off of all that for a bit. I dont

have any data to back it up, but I think too much synthetic supplements

could create issues. I use some synthetics (like Vit D), but otherwise I

try to stick with the whole food supplements.

Buddy

On 10/14/07, Ives <mmives@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Buddy, thanks for the thoughts. I am on Vit. A & D, 10,000 & 400,

> 2x/day.

> Maybe I should up that or add in more D? I am outside minimum of 2x/day

> and

> get sunlight daily, and this has been a particularly sunny summer. Also I

> have only full spectrum lighting in the house. I also take

> Selenium (400 mg)

> CoQ10 (100 mg)

> Sublingual B12 (4/day)

> Gaia Herbs brand Adrenal Health (herbal adrenal support w/rhodiola and

> others)

> Super Gram III Vit. C (3,000 mg/day split)

> Magnesium amino acid chelate (800mg/day split)

> Vit. A & D 10,000/400 2x/day

> Vit. E. 1,000 mg

> MSM/Glucosamine/Hyluronic Acid 2x

> Alpha Lipoic Acid

> Olive Leaf (antiviral)

> DIM (detox xenoestrogens)

> EFA

> chastetree berry (estrogen support)

> Calcium di-glucarate (detox)

> Essiac Tea (detox support/anti-cancer)

> Jiaogulan (oxygenates blood)

> Guafinisen (thins mucin)

>

> Best,

>

> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com <http://www.chestnuthilldesigns.com/>

> http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>

> Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

> happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

> other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

> Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >> Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it

> >> >> fits

> >> >> what you are experiencing.

> >> >>

> >> >> What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage

> >> >> (and

> >> >> I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary

> MP

> >> >> knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would

> >> release

> >> >> a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and sometimes

> >> the

> >> >> pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next

> appt,

> >> >> they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage

> >> >> technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the

> >> >> first

> >> >> pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that

> level.

> >> >> FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And

> when

> >> >> I

> >> >> was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years simply

> >> >> vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from

> >> >> trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral

> >> >> treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe

> >> >> the

> >> >> direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not

> worth

> >> >> the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work

> it

> >> >> lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can tell

>

> >> >> if

> >> >> I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've

> >> >> journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between

> pain

> >> >> and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means

> >> >> anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could

> do.

> >> >> I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and

> >> >> muscle pain.

> >> >> Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those

> >> >> muscles

> >> >> AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like

> >> >> I'm

> >> >> just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that

> is

> >> >> indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a

> muscle

> >> >> that is contracted and already can't relax.

> >> >> sol

> >> >>

> >> >> Ives wrote:

> >> >>> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

> >> muscles

> >> >>> that don't respond to massage?

> >> >>>

> >> >>> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful

> stuff)

> >> >>> every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists

> (there

> >> >>> are

> >> >>> three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I

> >> >>> chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles

> >> >>> don't

> >> >>> even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she

> said

> >> >>> they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and

> giving

> >> >>> i

> >>

> >> >>> to

> >> >>> it and releasing.

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

[Guest guest]

I had chicken pox as a kid, never shingles.

I am also EBV+, sorta high titers so reactivated, but I have no idea for how

long (at least a year, since that is the first time I tested for it).

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Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

>

> Well, I have been told I have fibromyalgia. But that is not a " diagnosis "

> to me. Something caused that, something is unbalanced, and I'm hoping to

> find out what that is and correct it.

>

> Best,

>

> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh gosh, I don't remember if I outlined all of it. I did this last fall,

actually just about a year ago.

I first went on the Candida diet. I ate meat and low-glyecemic veggies only.

I used only a dab of heavy cream in my am coffee with stevia, and that was

the only sweetener I had. I was told by my doctor that I could have

sourdough bread, and I did have maybe one slice a day to make a 1/2 sandwich

for lunch. I also went on Diflucan for about a week, then went off it and

switched to Nystatin. I was on Nystatin for, hmm, I think a month or so? I

also used Monolaurin, Olive Leaf, Oregano Oil and Colloidal Silver daily. I

did very well for 3 months until I just started to have a little bit of

Pasta, and I think I had one brownie at Christmas last year, then I got a

respiratory infection and had to go on abx. I started to feel the candida

come back, so went back on the diet fully and took another week of Diflucan,

and I have been fine every since! I haven't used the supplements in

probably 2 months now, so I did keep them up for quite some time.

I don't eat as many sweets as I used to, but I don't crave them as much,

either. I do like to have a little something sweet after dinner each

evening, and usually have some kind of baked good, a cookie, home made pie,

or a bit of ice cream. I do avoid candy (don't really like it anyway, too

sweet). I have honey in my tea, the tip of a teaspoon of Turbinado sugar in

my am coffee, and I use sprouted breads only for my lunch-time sandwich, and

I often have Steel Cut oats for breakfast, or cheerios when I'm in a hurry.

I usually have pizza on friday nights, and sometimes have a somewhat

heavy-carb meal on weekends when we are not home (for example, had ab-day

party for my mother today, so I ate a lot of pasta -- baked ziti -- yum).

But the rest of the week I cook no carbs at all, or if I do, it might be one

day a week, couscous, pasta, brown rice, or maybe a baked potato.

I had blood tests before treating for Candida, which showed an active

infection. And I retested again a few months ago, which nothing. =D

Best,

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Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

Gee , great to hear that you cured yourself of the candida

overgrowth. Have you shared how you did it before? Would you be willing to?

If you already have could you direct me to the post? Please feel free to not

clog the list and email me privately. If I already missed this wonderful

information, please forgive me. I try to be diligent about going through

these gems each day, but sometimes lose track.

Thanks,

Ives <mmives@...> wrote:

Bonnie, I have tested. My progesterone is fine, my good estrogen

is low

(tehre are three types), my bad estrogen (estradiol) is high. I'm working

on detoxing the bad estrogen, and replacing the good estrogen (estriol).

Additionally, my candida is gone. I have no more candida symptoms at all. I

have also had blood tests, and done other home tests. None of my candida

symptoms have come back after resuming a normal diet (though I do not overdo

sugars or carbs).

Best,

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I just wrote it all up in reply to 's post. ;-)

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happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

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Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

> ,

> How long did it take you to recover from the candida and what

> antifungals did you use? I too have hormonal issues which I think

> will improve once I get my candida load down...again. I relapsed from

> bad diet choices, so back at it again.

>

>

>

>> > > Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

>> > > muscles that don't respond to massage?

>> > >

>> > > I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful

> stuff)

>> > every

>> > > week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists (there

> are

>> > three

>> > > of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I

> chatted

>> > > briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles don't

> even

>> > > respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she

> said they

>> > seem

>> > > to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and giving i

> to it and

>> > > releasing.

>> > >

>> > > I have a very, very tight neck that causes tension headaches,

> my

>> > shoulders

>> > > are as hard as rocks (quite lierally) and full of marbles

> (knots). It

>> > runs

>> > > along that muscle that goes along either side of your spine

> and runs

>> > down

>> > > to the lower back, which is tight like a band from hip to hip

> across my

>> > > lower back, to the point where I quite literally cannot make

> that

>> > muscle

>> > > relax to rotate my pelvis forward (I ride horses, so this is a

> move

>> > that

>> > > you need to be able to do).

>> > >

>> > > I take gobs of magnesium per day (800+ mg) of chelated mag.,

> and this

>> > is

>> > > far beyond bowel tolerance. I use a

> celadrin/msm/arnica/menthol rub

>> > when

>> > > it gets really bad and the tension headaches start up.

>> > >

>> > > I just don't know what else can be causing the muscles to not

> want to

>> > > relax? Is there some kind of nutritional deficiency or

> blockage that

>> > can

>> > > cause this? What is in charge of the muscles?

>> > >

>> > > Best,

>> > >

>> > > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

>> > > http://shellyct.blogspot.com/

>> > >

>> > > Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as

> one wants

>> > > happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to

> die, so

>> > do

>> > > other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

>> > >

>> > >

[Guest guest]

Yes, I take all those every day. And No, I will not go off them. I recently

went off most of them about 3 weeks ago, becuase I ran out of almost all of

the but a couple of things, and didn't have the money to reorder right away.

I felt AWFUL without them! I was exhausted, lethargic, my arms felt like

lead , I was grumpy, and I started to get sores on my tongue again, that i

used to have for many years. A week back on my supplements, and I'm feeling

better, and the sores on my tongue are gone. My tongue gets so sensitive

that my own teeth feel like razor blades. I have no idea which supplement

or what deficiency that is caused by, but its a horrible feelings.

I don't believe any of those are synthetics

Best,

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Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants

happiness and fears pain, just as one wants to live and not to die, so do

other creatures. ~ His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Re: Chronic muscle pain ???

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >> Do some googling on Chornic Myofascial Pain Syndrome and see if it

>> >> >> fits

>> >> >> what you are experiencing.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> What I found out personally is that the deep trigger point massage

>> >> >> (and

>> >> >> I know personally the pain you speak of) used to release temporary

>> MP

>> >> >> knots on " normal " people made mine worse, even though mine would

>> >> release

>> >> >> a little during the massage they didn't stay released, and

>> >> >> sometimes

>> >> the

>> >> >> pain post-massage lasted days. And most of the time, at my next

>> appt,

>> >> >> they would be MORE sensitive. I read that for CMPS the best massage

>> >> >> technique is to just have the therapist press the point until the

>> >> >> first

>> >> >> pain is felt, then back out a little and work the point at that

>> level.

>> >> >> FWIW, when I'm on more strict low carb diet, I have less MP. And

>> when

>> >> >> I

>> >> >> was on thyroid hormone, trigger point knots I'd had for years

>> >> >> simply

>> >> >> vanished, with no direct treatment at all. I did also switch from

>> >> >> trigger point massage and direct muscle massage to cranio-sacral

>> >> >> treatments and reflexology treatments, as I really began to believe

>> >> >> the

>> >> >> direct treatment of the points didn't help and certainly was not

>> worth

>> >> >> the pain. The exception is if I get a sudden knot now, I will work

>> it

>> >> >> lightly with a theracane or tennis balls, etc. But really I can

>> >> >> tell

>>

>> >> >> if

>> >> >> I'm going to get a problem now, by what I've been eating. I've

>> >> >> journalled my diet for a couple years and the correlation between

>> pain

>> >> >> and diet is very clear in my own case. I have no idea if this means

>> >> >> anything re my level of candida due to diet, but I think it could

>> do.

>> >> >> I'm still unclear if candida overgrowth can directly cause CMPS and

>> >> >> muscle pain.

>> >> >> Oh another thought--when I have MP knots I cannot stretch those

>> >> >> muscles

>> >> >> AT ALL. It just causes the knots to become worse, and it feels like

>> >> >> I'm

>> >> >> just tearing the muscles out by the roots, and in fact, I read that

>> is

>> >> >> indeed pretty much what is happening when you try to stretch a

>> muscle

>> >> >> that is contracted and already can't relax.

>> >> >> sol

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Ives wrote:

>> >> >>> Does anybody know what would cause a chronic muscle pain? Tight

>> >> muscles

>> >> >>> that don't respond to massage?

>> >> >>>

>> >> >>> I've been having massage therapy (deep tissue, really painful

>> stuff)

>> >> >>> every week for about, hmmm, 3 or 4 months now. The therapists

>> (there

>> >> >>> are

>> >> >>> three of them) have not seen a significant change in my muscles. I

>> >> >>> chatted briefly with the one today, and she said that my muscles

>> >> >>> don't

>> >> >>> even respond when she is in there trying to work a knot out, she

>> said

>> >> >>> they seem to contract and fight her, rather than relaxing and

>> giving

>> >> >>> i

>> >>

>> >> >>> to

>> >> >>> it and releasing.

>> >> >>>

>> >> >>>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

,

I believe you have Fibromyalgia & /or Chronic Myofascial Pain Syndrome.

If you are new to Fibromyalgia, research all you can, talk to others &

do not give up. FM usually shows itself after a illness or some type

of stress to the body like a car accident etc.

I have had FM & MPS since 1985. How is your sleep? Are you sleeping

through the night? Do you have allergies? I believe allergies had

something to do with me being ill.

Get your full sleep, take the time you need to rest, drink lots of

water. Really listen to your body, respect yourself & listen to your

inner voice. It is not lying to you. Do not try to work out & build

muscle where there are trigger points. You can not build muscle there.

It will make them worse. The trigger points have to be released first.

You release them by constant pressure. Tennis balls in a sock are good

for the neck area. I do believe cranio-sacral work helps. Just a lot

of it.

As for me I have done everything I can think of, taken every

supplement, every test & lots of body work, only I have never released

one. I believe FM only gets worse as the years go by. So do every

thing you can to get well. Research & talk to others that have gone

before you. They have a lot of information on what has worked & not

worked.

If you would like to talk you are welcome to email. I have several

books I can also recommend.

Best of Luck,

[Guest guest]

Hi,

You can google, for further research.

With my half knowledge, I feel,

Chicken pox, after running its full course,

remains in the body in the latent form of Herpes Zoaster or Shingles.

It can break out later even 25yrs. of having remained latent.

You have never heard of this.

===================================

Ives wrote:

> I had chicken pox as a kid, never shingles.

>

> I am also EBV+, sorta high titers so reactivated, but I have no idea for how

> long (at least a year, since that is the first time I tested for it).

>

> Best,

>

>