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Report post · October 1, 2007

Hi , I have a 24 year old son with AS. He was diagnosed while

in high school, but he had a lot of symptoms before hand. I know what a

nightmare it is to know he will go thru a lot of what I have gone thru

since I was 19. I'll be 58 Oct 10th, and sometimes I want to quit, but

won't. The problem with him is he is in denial of what he can and should

not do. He lives on his own in another city, so when I see him it is

usually when he is in a bad flare up. I can't get him to look back at

what has bothered it before, and how taking good care of himself

helped. One thing that flares it is sitting for hours playing computer

games. He doesn't eat or drink anything while he is stuck on those

games. And sleep, well he doesn't get enough of that either. I have seen

him in just this year, go from a healthy thriving young man, to a

skinny, sallow in pain guy. I remind him, but being on his own, and an

adult, I am not able to jar him into reality. He won't take any meds

unless he can hardly walk, and he will only take Ibuprofen. He has seen

me having to take so many pills over time, and says he doesn't want to

be like me. Well, I tell him, but you are like me, you have the disease

too, and it has got to be moniterd and cared for so it doesn't get as

bad as mine is. Medicane has come a long way since I was diagnosed at

19. And I have a lot of other thing wrong, that he doesn't have. But

getting thru to them is the hardest thing. I am glad your son is out of

denial and is working with it. I just don't know how to get my son out

of denial. Do you or your son know how to get thru to my son, that it

important to take care of it now before it gets out of control, and the

suffering he will have in his older years? I am a worried mom too.

Thanks, D. in Oregon

>

> Hello,

> I just joined the group, hoping to get some first hand accounts of

> living with AS. My son, who is 15 years old, has just been diagnosed

> V

>

Report post · October 1, 2007

karen, just tell your son that these diseases (usually) become easier to deal

with as time passes. meaning, that as people with these types of diseases learn

to manage them, and reorient your life somewhat, the burden becomes less than it

was in the beginning. at least the uncertainty is gone, and one knows what to

expect. at least thats the way i feel.

just tell him to take it one day at a time.

take care ~ james

ksvarbalow <blacktie@...> wrote: Hello,

I just joined the group, hoping to get some first hand accounts of

living with AS. My son, who is 15 years old, has just been diagnosed

although he has been having symptoms for a little over four years

now. He had been in remission for a little while, and we've all been

in denial for a while also!

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Report post · February 29, 2008

Greetings to all. I am a new member. Deanne, Good dairy hygiene goes a long way, so watch your dairyman's practices (or your practices if you are the dairyman). My family has used raw milk for 24 years, and before that I used raw milk for an additional 10 years. Not once had a problem. I am on a 'country living " list and there was an ongoing thread on raw milk use. Among those families and individuals whom had been raw milk users ~ there was not a single incident (problem) reported. I doubt it is illegal in Iowa to 'drink' raw milk...but..... from http://www.realmilk.com/happening.html : IowaRaw milk sales are illegal.

There have been reports of violators being prosecuted. That is a good site to learn from. They have a Campaign for Real Milk and here is why: http://www.realmilk.com/why.html The real milk campaign is a project of the Weston A. Price Foundation: www.westonaprice.org A little off subject here, but can anyone tell me their views on raw milk? I have just started drinking it, and oh how good it is!!! Here in Iowa it is illegal to drink I guess, which I think is insane. Anyone have any tips for me on safety or legal issues? Is raw milk actually good for me to give my grandchildren? Any help would be

great!Thanks so much,Deanne

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Report post · March 1, 2008

Hi To Deanne and others who are interested!

I just did a great paper on the benefits of raw milk. I believe in it wholeheartedly. It is so so safe. It's really just nonsense coming from the pasteurized milk babies that is making this issue keep coming up. They have such a huge lobby.

If you want to speak off list on this topic or read my paper, please write to me.

Suz Stapler

scupe1@...

Report post · March 1, 2008

I would love to read the paper you did on raw milk! Thanks so much!

Deanne

Re: New Member here

Hi To Deanne and others who are interested!

I just did a great paper on the benefits of raw milk. I believe in it wholeheartedly. It is so so safe. It's really just nonsense coming from the pasteurized milk babies that is making this issue keep coming up. They have such a huge lobby.

If you want to speak off list on this topic or read my paper, please write to me.

Suz Stapler

scupe1earthlink (DOT) net

Report post · March 1, 2008

I would love to read the paper you did on raw milk! Thanks so much!

Deanne

Re: New Member here

Hi To Deanne and others who are interested!

I just did a great paper on the benefits of raw milk. I believe in it wholeheartedly. It is so so safe. It's really just nonsense coming from the pasteurized milk babies that is making this issue keep coming up. They have such a huge lobby.

If you want to speak off list on this topic or read my paper, please write to me.

Suz Stapler

scupe1earthlink (DOT) net

Report post · March 1, 2008

I also just started drinking raw milk after many years of milk

avoidance. I drink about a glass a day. Taste great, I found a

family that has been selling raw milk for 40 years. It taste just

like reg milk in my opinion, I am going to make yogurt next. Just a

question , the temp should not go higher than 70 degrees? anyone

know? Thanks,

Vivian

>

> Greetings to all. I am a new member.

>

> Deanne,

>

> Good dairy hygiene goes a long way, so watch your dairyman's

practices (or your practices if you are the dairyman).

>

> My family has used raw milk for 24 years, and before that I

used raw milk for an additional 10 years. Not once had a problem. I

am on a 'country living " list and there was an ongoing thread on raw

milk use. Among those families and individuals whom had been raw milk

users ~ there was not a single incident (problem) reported.

>

> I doubt it is illegal in Iowa to 'drink' raw milk...but.....

> from http://www.realmilk.com/happening.html :

> Iowa

> Raw milk sales are illegal. There have been reports of violators

being prosecuted.

>

> That is a good site to learn from. They have a Campaign for Real

Milk and here is why:

> http://www.realmilk.com/why.html The real milk campaign is a

project of the

> Weston A. Price Foundation:

> www.westonaprice.org

>

> A little off subject here, but can anyone tell me their views on raw

> milk? I have just started drinking it, and oh how good it is!!! Here

> in Iowa it is illegal to drink I guess, which I think is insane.

> Anyone have any tips for me on safety or legal issues? Is raw milk

> actually good for me to give my grandchildren? Any help would be great!

>

> Thanks so much,

>

> Deanne

>

> ---------------------------------

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Report post · March 1, 2008

I also just started drinking raw milk after many years of milk

avoidance. I drink about a glass a day. Taste great, I found a

family that has been selling raw milk for 40 years. It taste just

like reg milk in my opinion, I am going to make yogurt next. Just a

question , the temp should not go higher than 70 degrees? anyone

know? Thanks,

Vivian

>

> Greetings to all. I am a new member.

>

> Deanne,

>

> Good dairy hygiene goes a long way, so watch your dairyman's

practices (or your practices if you are the dairyman).

>

> My family has used raw milk for 24 years, and before that I

used raw milk for an additional 10 years. Not once had a problem. I

am on a 'country living " list and there was an ongoing thread on raw

milk use. Among those families and individuals whom had been raw milk

users ~ there was not a single incident (problem) reported.

>

> I doubt it is illegal in Iowa to 'drink' raw milk...but.....

> from http://www.realmilk.com/happening.html :

> Iowa

> Raw milk sales are illegal. There have been reports of violators

being prosecuted.

>

> That is a good site to learn from. They have a Campaign for Real

Milk and here is why:

> http://www.realmilk.com/why.html The real milk campaign is a

project of the

> Weston A. Price Foundation:

> www.westonaprice.org

>

> A little off subject here, but can anyone tell me their views on raw

> milk? I have just started drinking it, and oh how good it is!!! Here

> in Iowa it is illegal to drink I guess, which I think is insane.

> Anyone have any tips for me on safety or legal issues? Is raw milk

> actually good for me to give my grandchildren? Any help would be great!

>

> Thanks so much,

>

> Deanne

>

> ---------------------------------

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Try it now.

>

Report post · March 1, 2008

I think it is between 100 and 110 degrees F. An internet search on a recipe for yogurt might tell you. My yogurt maker is automatic so I don't know the temp it uses...Judyemail4ebay2005 <email4ebay2005@...> wrote: I also just started drinking raw milk after many years of milk avoidance. I drink about a glass a day. Taste great, I found a family that has been selling raw milk for 40 years. It taste just like reg milk in my opinion, I am going to make yogurt next. Just a question , the temp should not go higher than 70

degrees? anyone know? Thanks, Vivian > > > Greetings to all. I am a new member. > > Deanne, > > Good dairy hygiene goes a long way, so watch your dairyman's practices (or your practices if you are the dairyman). > > My family has used raw milk for 24 years, and before that I used raw milk for an additional 10 years. Not once had a problem. I am on a 'country living " list and there was an ongoing thread on raw milk use. Among those families and individuals whom had been raw milk users ~ there was not a single incident (problem) reported. > > I doubt it is illegal in Iowa to 'drink' raw

milk...but..... > from http://www.realmilk.com/happening.html : > Iowa > Raw milk sales are illegal. There have been reports of violators being prosecuted. > > That is a good site to learn from. They have a Campaign for Real Milk and here is why: > http://www.realmilk.com/why.html The real milk campaign is a project of the > Weston A. Price Foundation: > www.westonaprice.org > > > > > > A little off subject here, but can anyone tell me their views on raw > milk? I have just started drinking it, and oh how good it is!!! Here > in Iowa it is illegal to drink I guess, which I think is insane. > Anyone have any tips for me on safety or legal issues? Is raw milk >

actually good for me to give my grandchildren? Any help would be great! > > Thanks so much, > > Deanne > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. >

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Report post · March 1, 2008

I think it is between 100 and 110 degrees F. An internet search on a recipe for yogurt might tell you. My yogurt maker is automatic so I don't know the temp it uses...Judyemail4ebay2005 <email4ebay2005@...> wrote: I also just started drinking raw milk after many years of milk avoidance. I drink about a glass a day. Taste great, I found a family that has been selling raw milk for 40 years. It taste just like reg milk in my opinion, I am going to make yogurt next. Just a question , the temp should not go higher than 70

degrees? anyone know? Thanks, Vivian > > > Greetings to all. I am a new member. > > Deanne, > > Good dairy hygiene goes a long way, so watch your dairyman's practices (or your practices if you are the dairyman). > > My family has used raw milk for 24 years, and before that I used raw milk for an additional 10 years. Not once had a problem. I am on a 'country living " list and there was an ongoing thread on raw milk use. Among those families and individuals whom had been raw milk users ~ there was not a single incident (problem) reported. > > I doubt it is illegal in Iowa to 'drink' raw

milk...but..... > from http://www.realmilk.com/happening.html : > Iowa > Raw milk sales are illegal. There have been reports of violators being prosecuted. > > That is a good site to learn from. They have a Campaign for Real Milk and here is why: > http://www.realmilk.com/why.html The real milk campaign is a project of the > Weston A. Price Foundation: > www.westonaprice.org > > > > > > A little off subject here, but can anyone tell me their views on raw > milk? I have just started drinking it, and oh how good it is!!! Here > in Iowa it is illegal to drink I guess, which I think is insane. > Anyone have any tips for me on safety or legal issues? Is raw milk >

actually good for me to give my grandchildren? Any help would be great! > > Thanks so much, > > Deanne > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. >

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Report post · March 24, 2008

Hello I am also a new member. I just read your message, and am

wondering if you have any information on the Bonati Institute, in

Hudson FL. I just found it this weekend on the Web. I have suffered

from spinal stenosis, protruding dics, etc, since I was 12. I am now

54, have had 2 back surgeries, and have been told nothing else can be

done. I just simply won't believe it. I was wondering if you have

any feedback on the Institute I mentioned above. I don't have the

pain you are suffering from, but pain is pain. It is awful. I will

pray for you and I hope you don't give up looking for help. I am

hoping this message board will help me. Jean

>

> Hi guys:

> I'm Stan and I'm 59 and live in sunny Fort Lauderdale, FL. I was

diagnosed

> with Spinal Stenosis almost 2 years ago thru an MRI. My L-4 and L-

5 have

> moderate to severe stenosis. Very painful and epidurals haven't

helped. I've

> recently gone in for nerve block injections (from an

anesthesiologist in nearby

> Delray Beach, FL) and that is helping immensely with the daily pain.

>

> I have a question...I have also developed Peripheral Neuropathy and

I believe

> the " cause " for this severe foot tingling and foot numbness might

be my

> stenosis. Has anyone in this group developed Peripheral Neuropathy

from their

> stenosis? I'd appreciate any and all responses.

>

> Best regards,

> Stan in Fort Lauderdale

>

Report post · July 15, 2008

---

Welcome! Don

Pecae-Love-Oneness,

Dona

In no-forced-vaccination , " Don "

<roy_hamilton_fan@...> wrote:

>

> Hello, everyone. I'm Don.

>

> A little about me:

>

> I've been studying nutrition as preventive medicine, on my own,

since

> I was in my early twenties (I'll be 53 toward theend of next

month).

> I've learned a lot about how the body can heal itself and what we

have

> to do to improve that capability.

>

> But it's only been in the past several months that I've become

> blatantly aware of the problems with vaccinations, such as

thimerasol

> and (more recently) adjuvants, and the fact that vaccines in and of

> themselves, without the added risks I've stated, are problematic at

> best.

>

> It's strange that I never put this together in my own mind until

> recently, because when I was in the Marines, way back in the day,

> everyone on my base was ordered to the naval hospital to get a shot

> for (if memory serves) the swine flu (which, if I'm not mistaken,

> never appeared, at least in the numbers and strengths " they " said it

> would). I and a few others didn't get the shots. We didn't openly

> refuse the order, we didn't register any protest, we just didn't

go.

> And wonder of wonders, we were just about the only ones on that base

> who DID NOT GET SICK.

>

> Since then, the only shots I've gotten were the occasional tetanus

> shot, and only when I had accidents that broke the and something

> foreign embedded in the flesh (like the coated glass from a light

> fixture cover). And now I read, in this group, how even the tetanus

> shot is messed up...

>

> Anyway, if anyone wants to know anything more, feel free to ask,

> either here (if it'sd related to the subject matter) or via private

> email if it's anything else.

>

> Namaste',

> Don

>

Report post · July 15, 2008

---

Welcome! Don

Pecae-Love-Oneness,

Dona

In no-forced-vaccination , " Don "

<roy_hamilton_fan@...> wrote:

>

> Hello, everyone. I'm Don.

>

> A little about me:

>

> I've been studying nutrition as preventive medicine, on my own,

since

> I was in my early twenties (I'll be 53 toward theend of next

month).

> I've learned a lot about how the body can heal itself and what we

have

> to do to improve that capability.

>

> But it's only been in the past several months that I've become

> blatantly aware of the problems with vaccinations, such as

thimerasol

> and (more recently) adjuvants, and the fact that vaccines in and of

> themselves, without the added risks I've stated, are problematic at

> best.

>

> It's strange that I never put this together in my own mind until

> recently, because when I was in the Marines, way back in the day,

> everyone on my base was ordered to the naval hospital to get a shot

> for (if memory serves) the swine flu (which, if I'm not mistaken,

> never appeared, at least in the numbers and strengths " they " said it

> would). I and a few others didn't get the shots. We didn't openly

> refuse the order, we didn't register any protest, we just didn't

go.

> And wonder of wonders, we were just about the only ones on that base

> who DID NOT GET SICK.

>

> Since then, the only shots I've gotten were the occasional tetanus

> shot, and only when I had accidents that broke the and something

> foreign embedded in the flesh (like the coated glass from a light

> fixture cover). And now I read, in this group, how even the tetanus

> shot is messed up...

>

> Anyway, if anyone wants to know anything more, feel free to ask,

> either here (if it'sd related to the subject matter) or via private

> email if it's anything else.

>

> Namaste',

> Don

>

Report post · August 25, 2008

Hi, you're in the right place as you are obviously a caregiver and

good person who takes action to help. Welcome.

You may find some stuff in our files on cancer. We generally have

not had huge successes with the serious life threatening stuff. This

is for several reasons, the biggest is people in that shape don't

come here often enough and report enough to find much out about it.

What we do get is scads of people with local infections that just

clear up like magic. Cancer is more systemic, and is hardly classed

as an infection, though some cancers can start out that way.

There are two angles to this with cancer, one, the immune system

could be too busy with junk in the system to fight tumors, two the

cancer cells themselves have an activation enzyme that is

electrically sensitive (ribonucleotide reductase). If you can reach

the cells with the electricity you can reduce the tumors, but often

it will not reach them. Basal cell carcinoma was reduced by it,

since it sits right on the skin, and was therefore accessible.

The other angle is metastatic cancer and possibly using wrist

electrodes to clear the bloodstream a bit could reach some of those

travelling cancer cells, or at least possibly remove some bugs in the

blood. Medical people would argue the blood is seldom infected is

usually pure, yet something does happen when you electrify blood and

it's usually a clearing up after a miserable flulike-dieoff at

first. Then possibly the immune system could find time to attack the

tumors ? who knows, worth a shot. But sick frightened people are

hard to get into the researching mood. There have been people with

HIV and Hep-c that greatly improved without drugs using this. They

come and go, but seldom remain loyal enough to report back in after a

year or two. Sad. But, then we have the many local infections, like

MRSA that have cleared right up. Those could have gotten much worse,

but this thing seems to have halted and reversed them cold in their

tracks.

The other side of this is: what could it hurt? I am no expert but

have not seen a major incident of any damage over 7 years moderating

this group.

Making up a few of the simpler designs and have them around, people

do get curious and they often get well from it. Sinus infections,

colds, etc often are reported cleared up fast after sometimes months

of persistence. You will find out a lot by just experimenting, and

if you're like everyone else here, will want to shout about it, but

find people will think you are nuts.

bG

>

> I found this site because I was looking for a cure for cancer for 2

> friends of mine. One has kidney cancer, which will be partially

> removed this week. The other friend has liver cancer and is going

> through chemo therapy (poorly) right now.

>

> I bought a 6v battery and will be using this on myself first. I am

> healthy. Should I expect to stay near a bathroom? lol What I

> read makes me nervous about being in a grocery store during use my

> first time.

>

> Another question I have. This electro therapy sounds powerful as a

> cure for many bugs out there...So why isn't there a BEATING MY CHEST

> section where member scream to the world they were cured from a

death

> sentence with simple electricity. I sure would. Does it work?

>

Report post · August 25, 2008

Hi,

Last Easter when we got to Mass every pew was filled, so we had to stand up in

the back of the church. As you may know, Catholics do some standing, sitting and

kneeling during Mass, and when it came to the kneeling part, I had to kneel on

the floor instead of a padded kneeler, furnished in front of the people who were

early enough to get a seat in the pews.

Kneeling on the floor, instead of on an elevated surface, puts a strain on the

front of the thighs, which I noticed. It felt like I was straining the right

thigh muscle, and it stayed sore for about a week after Easter. I didn't think

much more about it, but every time I went to Mass, and genuflected before going

in the pew, I could feel this stretching feeling in my right thigh. A week, or

so ago, after I was seated, my leg kept hurting and I massaged it with my right

hand. There was a large knot, or swelling, where it hurt. Possibly it was there

on Easter when I noticed the strained muscle feeling. Since my left thigh felt

fine, and it was stretched as much as the right thigh, I must assume that there

is something wrong with the right thigh. It probably was not the kneeling that

caused the pain. Could it be a tumor? I had not done anything to stress the

right thigh before the kneeling episode.

Anyway, I put electrode pads on the lump and behind the thigh, and ran it at

300uA, (That's .3mA) or less, for about an hour, reversing the polarity a couple

times. The swelling went down some, but when I stopped Zilling it came back.

Last night I used 3x3 inch foil pads, covered with wet wash rags, under each

foot, hooked to a 6v lantern battery, with an ammeter in series. The meter read

about 600uA, or higher. I did not have a pot inline, so I had to move my feet

off the pads until the current was around 300uA. Today the swelling is much

reduced and I do not notice the stretching so much when I kneel down. I will

continue this application and let you know if the lump goes completely away, and

whether it stays gone.

I don't know if it is a tumor, probably not, but if it is I think applying this

ultra low current will encourage new cell growth, increase circulation, and

restore whatever caused the lump. There is clinical evidence that cancer cells

die with ultra low DC current. Many successful tests have been done on mice.

I'll keep you informed.

Dick

Report post · August 25, 2008

Dick,

Most likely you were reducing an edema. When ever using the auto

switching system

for my taxi cab dispatcher friend that pulled a double shift on weekends,

his left leg would get edema

most badly on the left calf. There would be some swelling on the right calf

but only about an inch.

It would be about 2 inches of swelling to the left leg and in a time period

of about 2 hours, the left leg would be back to normal diameter, which is to

say it was 2 inches less.

The right leg was also reduced to normal, thus less an inch diameter.

That was in a leg to leg connection with connections just above the stocking

line pulled down to just above the shoe line on each foot.

The electrodes were copper flashing, solid, 2 inches wide and about 11

inches long, each.

They were wrapped in several layers of spring water wet terry cloth towel

cut into sizes to allow the several wraps around each electrode and also

some extra length so the ends of the electrodes had no chance to poke

through or stick out and cut him.

With the extra width the terry cloth wraps gave to the already 2 inch high

electrodes, you easily had about 25 square inches. That is a lot of surface

area and so it supported a lot more current, plus the entire diameter of

each leg was in the circuit. 2 to through 4 millamps .

4 milliamps may sound like a lot but that being 4000 microamps divided by 25

square inches is only

160 microamps per square inch.

Also, that current was divided across the cross section of both legs and the

region between, was measurable on a sensitive separate microamp meter to

about half way up the belly.

Banana jack male and female connectors were used so he could quickly UN-jack

and make a visit in this time period to the nature station because when you

move that much volume of liquid it has to go someplace.

Being activated was the Lymph System, plus extra flood flow you always get

with micro-current and this dual activity placed the extra liquids into the

disposal system pathways.

Whenever edema on this scale was removed in this system, it was usual to get

a report during and after, that the urine output was more much frothy that

usual (lots more bubbles generated by the gravity fall to water, most likely

protein )

To reduce edema, it is most effective to have the edema between the

electrodes and involve the whole limb if possible.

Mike

Re: New Member here

>

> Hi,

>

> Last Easter when we got to Mass every pew was filled, so we had to stand

> up in the back of the church. As you may know, Catholics do some standing,

> sitting and kneeling during Mass, and when it came to the kneeling part, I

> had to kneel on the floor instead of a padded kneeler, furnished in front

> of the people who were early enough to get a seat in the pews.

>

> Kneeling on the floor, instead of on an elevated surface, puts a strain on

> the front of the thighs, which I noticed. It felt like I was straining the

> right thigh muscle, and it stayed sore for about a week after Easter. I

> didn't think much more about it, but every time I went to Mass, and

> genuflected before going in the pew, I could feel this stretching feeling

> in my right thigh. A week, or so ago, after I was seated, my leg kept

> hurting and I massaged it with my right hand. There was a large knot, or

> swelling, where it hurt. Possibly it was there on Easter when I noticed

> the strained muscle feeling. Since my left thigh felt fine, and it was

> stretched as much as the right thigh, I must assume that there is

> something wrong with the right thigh. It probably was not the kneeling

> that caused the pain. Could it be a tumor? I had not done anything to

> stress the right thigh before the kneeling episode.

>

> Anyway, I put electrode pads on the lump and behind the thigh, and ran it

> at 300uA, (That's .3mA) or less, for about an hour, reversing the polarity

> a couple times. The swelling went down some, but when I stopped Zilling

> it came back.

>

> Last night I used 3x3 inch foil pads, covered with wet wash rags, under

> each foot, hooked to a 6v lantern battery, with an ammeter in series. The

> meter read about 600uA, or higher. I did not have a pot inline, so I had

> to move my feet off the pads until the current was around 300uA. Today the

> swelling is much reduced and I do not notice the stretching so much when I

> kneel down. I will continue this application and let you know if the lump

> goes completely away, and whether it stays gone.

>

> I don't know if it is a tumor, probably not, but if it is I think applying

> this ultra low current will encourage new cell growth, increase

> circulation, and restore whatever caused the lump. There is clinical

> evidence that cancer cells die with ultra low DC current. Many successful

> tests have been done on mice.

>

> I'll keep you informed.

>

> Dick

Report post · August 25, 2008

The age when people spoke up about the benefits of a particular electrical

treatment may well be past.

In the 1700s and 1800s people tried things out and they were recorded and

built on.

Work in the Field and Testimonials were the order of the day, not tests and

trials.

http://books.google.com/books/pdf/The_desideratum.pdf?id=Wx4DAAAAQAAJ & output=pdf\

& sig=RCU3FAOOWobwKDGCq3X0PjwQ9tI

http://www.ajronline.org/cgi/content/full/188/4/904

Then money making treatment became the order of the day, and unless it cost

a zillion dollars, supported a corporation in style, and had letters after

its name it was to be hidden, suppressed, lost.

Have a look at

http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-PEST/2007/September/Day-21/p18591.htm to see

the legislation that is currently in train.

" The articles covered by this notice are ion generators that

incorporate a substance (e.g., silver or copper) in the form of an

electrode, and pass a current through the electrode to release ions of

that substance for the purpose of preventing, destroying, repelling, or

mitigating a pest (e.g., bacteria or algae). Because these items

incorporate a substance or substances that accomplish their pesticidal

function, such items are considered pesticides for purposes of FIFRA,

and must be registered prior to sale or distribution. "

You make the ziller from materials you have to hand. Nobody sells it to

you.

People back then didn't have many chemical options, and when people like

Wesley offered them treatment to ease their suffering, they accepted it.

The world has turned so often since then it has become quite dizzy and

nauseating.

R

Welcome, and all the best with your experimentation.

Knowing about this is one thing.

Using it - that is when it can get to work.

I found this site because I was looking for a cure for cancer for 2

friends of mine. ...

I bought a 6v battery and will be using this on myself first. I am

healthy. Should I expect to stay near a bathroom? ... This electro

therapy sounds powerful as a

cure for many bugs out there...So why isn't there a BEATING MY CHEST

section where member scream to the world they were cured from a death

sentence with simple electricity. I sure would. Does it work?

Report post · August 26, 2008

....this is really great!

bG

>

> The age when people spoke up about the benefits of a particular

electrical

> treatment may well be past.

>

> In the 1700s and 1800s people tried things out and they were

recorded and

> built on.

>

> Work in the Field and Testimonials were the order of the day, not

tests and

> trials.

>

> http://books.google.com/books/pdf/The_desideratum.pdf?

id=Wx4DAAAAQAAJ & output=pdf & sig=RCU3FAOOWobwKDGCq3X0PjwQ9tI

>

> http://www.ajronline.org/cgi/content/full/188/4/904

>

> Then money making treatment became the order of the day, and unless

it cost

> a zillion dollars, supported a corporation in style, and had

letters after

> its name it was to be hidden, suppressed, lost.

>

> Have a look at

> http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-PEST/2007/September/Day-

21/p18591.htm to see

> the legislation that is currently in train.

>

> " The articles covered by this notice are ion generators that

> incorporate a substance (e.g., silver or copper) in the form of an

> electrode, and pass a current through the electrode to release ions

of

> that substance for the purpose of preventing, destroying,

repelling, or

> mitigating a pest (e.g., bacteria or algae). Because these items

> incorporate a substance or substances that accomplish their

pesticidal

> function, such items are considered pesticides for purposes of

FIFRA,

> and must be registered prior to sale or distribution. "

>

> You make the ziller from materials you have to hand. Nobody sells

it to

> you.

>

> People back then didn't have many chemical options, and when people

like

> Wesley offered them treatment to ease their suffering, they

accepted it.

> The world has turned so often since then it has become quite dizzy

and

> nauseating.

>

> R

>

> Welcome, and all the best with your experimentation.

> Knowing about this is one thing.

> Using it - that is when it can get to work.

>

> I found this site because I was looking for a cure for cancer for 2

> friends of mine. ...

> I bought a 6v battery and will be using this on myself first. I am

> healthy. Should I expect to stay near a bathroom? ... This

electro

> therapy sounds powerful as a

> cure for many bugs out there...So why isn't there a BEATING MY CHEST

> section where member scream to the world they were cured from a

death

> sentence with simple electricity. I sure would. Does it work?

>

Report post · August 26, 2008

Dick, thanks for the report, filed under " pain " in our files. Nice

work. Good to know what a 3x3 " pad pulls from the 6 volt battery.

600uA (.6mA). To those of us not in on Ohm's law and other really

late night radio stuff, that means 1/200 or so of what a 100 watt

light bulb uses..which should sound pretty safe to you, it does to

me. definitely worth the risk, if any.

..3mA is not golden or magic here, if the electrode pads are larger.

It is the mA/square inch. so 3x3 is 9 inches square, so you could

use the higher .6mA without a big flow of current to worry about,

since it's going in over a much larger area, so the damage to skin,

which is the main risk with these low voltages for extended times, is

reduced by less current per sq inch. A sq inch of skin can take no

more than 1mA without beginning to get offended one way or other.

So, if you are using .6mA over 9 square inches, you are very well

within the tolerance range. Of course, over a long enough time

without a rest, this could add up, like over days of using it

constantly it could present problems similar to a larger current for

a shorter time. Time and current are the key determinants here.

bG

>

> Hi,

>

> Last Easter when we got to Mass every pew was filled, so we had to

stand up in the back of the church. As you may know, Catholics do

some standing, sitting and kneeling during Mass, and when it came to

the kneeling part, I had to kneel on the floor instead of a padded

kneeler, furnished in front of the people who were early enough to

get a seat in the pews.

>

> Kneeling on the floor, instead of on an elevated surface, puts a

strain on the front of the thighs, which I noticed. It felt like I

was straining the right thigh muscle, and it stayed sore for about a

week after Easter. I didn't think much more about it, but every time

I went to Mass, and genuflected before going in the pew, I could feel

this stretching feeling in my right thigh. A week, or so ago, after I

was seated, my leg kept hurting and I massaged it with my right hand.

There was a large knot, or swelling, where it hurt. Possibly it was

there on Easter when I noticed the strained muscle feeling. Since my

left thigh felt fine, and it was stretched as much as the right

thigh, I must assume that there is something wrong with the right

thigh. It probably was not the kneeling that caused the pain. Could

it be a tumor? I had not done anything to stress the right thigh

before the kneeling episode.

>

> Anyway, I put electrode pads on the lump and behind the thigh, and

ran it at 300uA, (That's .3mA) or less, for about an hour, reversing

the polarity a couple times. The swelling went down some, but when I

stopped Zilling it came back.

>

> Last night I used 3x3 inch foil pads, covered with wet wash rags,

under each foot, hooked to a 6v lantern battery, with an ammeter in

series. The meter read about 600uA, or higher. I did not have a pot

inline, so I had to move my feet off the pads until the current was

around 300uA. Today the swelling is much reduced and I do not notice

the stretching so much when I kneel down. I will continue this

application and let you know if the lump goes completely away, and

whether it stays gone.

>

> I don't know if it is a tumor, probably not, but if it is I think

applying this ultra low current will encourage new cell growth,

increase circulation, and restore whatever caused the lump. There is

clinical evidence that cancer cells die with ultra low DC current.

Many successful tests have been done on mice.

>

> I'll keep you informed.

>

> Dick

>

Report post · August 26, 2008

>

> I found this site because I was looking for a cure for cancer for 2

> friends of mine. One has kidney cancer, which will be partially

> removed this week. The other friend has liver cancer and is going

> through chemo therapy (poorly) right now.

>

> I bought a 6v battery and will be using this on myself first. I am

> healthy. Should I expect to stay near a bathroom? lol What I

> read makes me nervous about being in a grocery store during use my

> first time.

>

> Another question I have. This electro therapy sounds powerful as a

> cure for many bugs out there...So why isn't there a BEATING MY CHEST

> section where member scream to the world they were cured from a

death

> sentence with simple electricity. I sure would. Does it work?

>

My observations over some 5 yrs of experimentation and noting other

user experience includes:

About 5% of all uses have no improvement. Nearly all have been

without a bacterial / viral cause - like backaches.

The worst side effects have been skin irritation from excess current

or too long exposures and some finger pain from not reversing

polarity often enough. There is an occasional [rare] case of a

herxheimer reaction where symptoms intensify due to aggressive

application which quits in a few days - rejoice; it's working!

Some 15% get some improvement by repeated applications - mostly due

to bacterial life cycle changes where they convert to a form with an

insulated coating that doesn't get penetrated such as malaria.

The remaining reports [summarized 2 yrs ago] had less than 3

exposures to get complete relief - on all attempted.

Conclusion: It's 'pretty safe', mostly effective; SO INEXPENSIVE IT

CAN CUT OUT AN M.DIETY VISIT - ROUTINELY! THEREFORE, IT WILL NEVER

GET APPROVED BY THE FDA FOR ANY USE WHATEVER BECAUSE IT VIOLATES THE

A.M.A. UNION RULES AND REDUCES OFFICE VISITS. THE A.M.A. decrees

what the F.D.A. will approve - by political contributions, graft,

just your ordinary corruption that can be demonstrated easily.

Just declare yourself to be a 'Researcher' [you don't know all there

is to know]; the FDA goons are not capable of stomping out the use.

FROM ONE WHO BECAME RESISTANT TO EVERY ANTIBIOTIC IN THE MILITARY

INVENTORY BY 1962 - There have been NO POSTINGS to indicate ANY

tendency to build bacterial / viral mutations / resistance!!!

Joe.

Report post · August 26, 2008

There are a few things you can do for CA - in addition to electrical.

1. Determine your saliva pH daily; costs about $.01 each [paper]

test if you are cheap enough to use just a fraction [1/8 " ] of the

test strip. If you have anything consistently under 6.2 - conclude

you have ANAEROBIC METABOLISM [severe lack of oxygen]. This promotes

tumor growths that often turn malignant.

Diabetics have it too; it contributes to FUNGUS GROWTH from the high

glucose levels, is difficult to fix. MUST interrupt the low pH

readings - see " Fungus Link " , Doug Kauffmann for reliable fixes -

part of treating the cause instead of a band aid on symptoms &

finding that the MOST SKILL A SURGEON HAS IS THE ABILITY TO TERRIFY A

PROSPECT INTO SIGNING FOR DISFIGUREMENT.

Consider EWOT - exersize with oxygen therapy / hyperbaric chamber

sessions where the blood is exposed to O2 at 3 atmospheres so it will

diffuse into blood better; can order a blood O2 meter from ebay for

about $60 to monitor changes; need about 97% to recover.

Do a Google search on " black salve " ; 2nd page shows a site that gives

the formula to make your own.

This is SPECIFIC for ANY CA. Works especially well on skin. Anything

suspect - just put a dob about the size of a hat pin head on it. If

CA - will begin to sting within 10 seconds, extending outward along

roots some 6 " . In about 2 weeks [repeated application as directed] -

heals from the inside out, roots dissolve, NO SURGERY: NO SCARRING.

For internals - shows how to package the salve to behave like a pill,

will take about an hr to tingle. Still - NO SURGERY; NO SCARRING.

{No data on Bones} Takes lots longer to dissolve, forms into a big

boil, erupts, drains for a few days till it heals from the inside

out. Have a source for 2 oz., a lifetime supply, about $30 + frt.

FIX YOUR DIET DEFFICIENCIES - selenium, others, stop the glucose

addiction.

Joe. BTW - am an E.E., not an M.D.

> >

> > I found this site because I was looking for a cure for cancer for

2

> > friends of mine. One has kidney cancer, which will be partially

> > removed this week. The other friend has liver cancer and is going

> > through chemo therapy (poorly) right now.

> >

> > I bought a 6v battery and will be using this on myself first. I

am

> > healthy. Should I expect to stay near a bathroom? lol What

I

> > read makes me nervous about being in a grocery store during use my

> > first time.

> >

> > Another question I have. This electro therapy sounds powerful

as a

> > cure for many bugs out there...So why isn't there a BEATING MY

CHEST

> > section where member scream to the world they were cured from a

> death

> > sentence with simple electricity. I sure would. Does it work?

> >

>

Report post · August 26, 2008

Australians have shown that microcurrents can cause an increase up to

about x 5 of ATP [adenosine triphosphate] production needed for all

cell metabolism. Effects begin at about 10 microamperes, intensify

to about a couple hundred, are present during all treatment described

here and is the basis for rapid cell healing after surgery + gen'l

maintenance.