food allergies

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I am now reading messages from the last 2 days (yeah - only 2 days!!!!) and I

might be jumping into these messages before I've had a chance to read more of

them (i've read 2 of 111) but talking about allergies. . . . . I posted

another time to see if anyone else has tried using NAET (Nambudripad's

Allergy Elimination Technique)? Many of my friends including a 3 year old

have had great success with this technique. I have had only one appointment

and was diagnosed as having allergies to eggs, tomatoes, corn syrup, peppers

and Vit C. I have never had any reactions to make me think that I am

allergic to anything - but their theory is that the arthritis symptoms are

the way that my body manifests the allergic reactions. This technique seems

very " Hokey " and " too good to be true " but I have seen it work! My friends 3

y/o had allergies to nearly everything and they told her they would have to

go on a very strict diet and not eat anything he was allergic to for 1 year

and then slowly reintroduce foods and hope that he'd grown out of it. The

nurse at the doctors office told her about an NAET practicioner that had done

wonders for her so my friend took her son. Long story short is that in a few

months he has been cleared (read cured) of his allergies - no more cough

syrup every night so that he doesn't throw up from coughing, no more

prophylactic antibiotics, much improved disposition, no more sinus surgery

etc. He is doing wonderfully. My husband was very skeptical but went after

CJs success and last summer he used no allergy meds - usually he takes

Hismanal and steroid nose spray daily.

I know I am rambling on but it may be worth a try for those of you who know

you have allergies. I didn't even know I did. I am hoping this helps me

when I have to get off my drugs when I try to get pregnant. This technique

is totally non-invasive and can be used on anyone - any age.

There is a website - www.naet.com

LaVina

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Dr. Von I would love to read your book. I did not find anything at the

website you posted. DonnaC

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If you go to www.drbiofeedback.com click on Allergies, then you will

find some methods compatible with Dr. Bate's suggestions (he learned

his allergy skills from me). There are no ads. My book on Allergy can be

downloaded my website.

What every parent has to realize is that doctors younger than 50 were

trained in

a mechanistic medicine and do not have the time to do naturalistic

studies of the real person in his real world.

So it is imperative that parents take responsibility for their own and for

their family's health. Study, dig, research.

The very first rule of health is that you are what you digest, and if you do

not have

the proteolytic enzymes of digestion, it won't matter that you have an

excellent diet.

I, myself, recommend AbsorbAid (1-800-827-7656)(includes lipase, amylase,

protease, cellulase and

lactase) - I have no commercial interest in any product including AbsorbAid.

This is the first time I have commented on this list: I hold a PhD (in

psychology) from the

Saybrook Institute; Bernard Rimland was on my Ph.D. committee and I have

long been interested in autism; my PhD

dissertation was a psychobiological study of 101 adolescents. I was elected

a Fellow of the Royal Society of

Health (F.R.S.H.) back in the 70s. You can figure out that I'm an aged

fellow, though not as aged as Dr. Bate. heh heh heh. You can read all that

stuff in Who's Who.

Dr. Von ( von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

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Food allergies are certainly real, but I recognize what you are saying

because it happened to my parents when I was a child. I developed asthma

and allergies. Every time I had an allergic reaction, they would think I

was allergic to whatever kind of food I had eaten previously, whether it was

ashthma, an eye irritation, etc. Once I choked on something, and they

thought I was allergic to it and wouldn't believe me when I said I choked.

I got very frustrated with this, because they always picked my favorite

foods. The more often I ate something, the more likely it was that sooner

or later I would get an allergic reaction to something unrelated afterward,

like dust, pollen,etc, which I AM allergic to. (Of course, some food

allergies are life threatening.) They were so terrified, they would never

let me try eating it another time. The fact that my allergies didn't go

away when they eliminated these foods was probably a sign that I wasn't

allergic to them. When I grew up, I tried them again, and never had a

problem, for whatever reason. I'm lucky that my asthma is only mild to

moderate. It never scared me, but it's different for a parent. Certainly,

if you're scared every time you eat a mouthful of food, you can make

yourself sick without realizing it. The problem is telling the difference.

Robin

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Subject: Re: insulin response

Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 14:05:38 EDT

That can be handy for some people (keeping a food journal) but I think and

have seen where that leads to obssesive patterns (orthorexia) and fanatic

rules because the person reacts to so many foods etc.. I'm not trying to

poke

fun at this, I'm just throwing out a perspective. We can anyalyze every

single mouthful of food but can you see where that might lead to? Fear of

food, I've seen it happen to many times and once had a very sick client who

was so frightened of food because she kept a diary and reacted to just about

every mouthful of food, she didn't get better until she went out and ate

anything and everything including all the food she reacted to.

piiimaman

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,

There is something called the "Elimination Diet" . .. You can probably find a lot of info about it with a websearch . . . Basically, you start with a very restricted diet, using just a few foods . . . then gradually add and subract foods while noting how you feel. IMHO, it's probably a better way to discover allergies that the allergy tests.

However, it requires time and discipline!

Rogene

naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote:

Can food allergies be related to pain issues? I am having problems with this damn foot again and I am so tired of it arg arg arg. Can anyone tell me if there is a way to test yourself for food allergies because I really cannot afford to go to one of these nature docs that charge so much and are not covered on insurance. I am pretty sure I am reacting to soy. When I eat my favorite cliff bars with the soy protien I get really really bad gas and tummy aches. Other than soy though I don't feel any reaction to food. I am really considering though that I may need to change my diet. I know I am eating too much sugar. It is not that I feel bad, but i just think I could feel better. I need to be able to concentrate because this math class I am taking is tough, for me. Anyhow any suggestions about this would be appreciated. I am not on here

as much as I would like to be lately because my schedule is brutal right now, with work and school and homework. Anyhow thanks ladies.hugsIn , "*~Patty~*" <fdp@l...> wrote:> Thanks ,> I did get tested for food allergies back in 1998 by my naturopath in Tucson and that is when I found the food allergy to chocolate and brewer's yeast. (First time in my life I knew about being allergic to chocolate!) > > Maybe I should be tested again. I have wondered about the wheat. I seem to get either a runny nose or brain fog sometimes--not every time--after eating wheat products. Eggs too. Food seems to have become an issue in my life, where it never was before.> > So we are pretty much at around the same place with our anti-TPO antibodies...I was just so shocked to see mine at 50

when it has been at 7! I don't know what triggers it, so it sounds like I really do need to take a look at my foods. I remember that guy that wrote the book on how he cured his Hashimoto's--he did it pretty much through diet, right?> > Thanks . I hope you are feeling better too! I am doing good--have energy again, kids are back in school, I am getting back into a schedule! I noticed a little pain in my hand joints and in my feet, but I am hoping with working out again, and doing a fast (planning one soon) will make it go away. > Patty> ----- Original Message ----- > From: JOSEPH PALANCA > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 12:24 PM> Subject: Re: hashimoto's, > > > Patty, I know from my experience there are two

thyroid antibodies that they test for (I am unsure if there are more) Anti Thyroglobulin and Anti thyroid peroxidase. (TPO) I was sopossed to be under two on both, and the anti thyroidglobulin was at 12,000 for a year, that is the one most likely to be high in the case of thyroid cancers, so they really watch the nodules, as in my case. > Meanwhile, the anti thyroid peroxidase (TPO) is usually the most common marker found in women with Hashimotos, usually not seen in relation to thyroid cancers. But some women have both, like me. I had both markers. My TPO was at 1100, or 1200 for over a year. Then, 3 Months after explant, and being on Dr Mercola's diet, with no Gluten (He believes that almost all thyroid is due to wheat intolerance, and also infectious) Wheat is also listed to be related in a lot of thyroid books, and on Shonman's site. Both went down , from 12,000 to 70 after explant, and the TPO

from 1100 to 90 . (Now at 60) > If you are asking me, I would look at your diet more closely and see if you may have a fool allergy triggering it. Maybe Gluten, or Dairy. I would cut out one, and have my doc retest in 4 weeks to see if the antibodies go down, that's what I did with dairy. Then try the other. I seem to be ok with Dairy but def not Gluten. > Or simply, you could request to have a gliadon antibody testing, to see if you are definitly allergic to wheat (celiac disease or sensitivity) and that may help. Celiac disease or just a small case of it, such as a sensitivity can trigger/cause RA, HAshimtos, Lupus, and many other auto immune illness, that upon eliminating them from your diet, everything calms down, and the secondary issues, like perhaps thyroid for you, would correct itself. By doing the blood test, you aren't cutting out a food that may be beneficial, as

and I were talking about, you would know for sure. I know they say that the thyroid is really impacted/affected by food allergies. I believe it. > Also if you are low on thyroid (meds), or having thyroid resistance (Dr Lowe-I want to go to him so bad!) then you will continue to have high antibodies as the thyroid is struggling, and stimulating itself to make more hormone, thinking it isnt making enough. Does that make sense? Its so hard to explain, I had to re-read some of my thyroid books two and three times to get it.> And then there is mycoplasma infection, (didn't you say that was in your implants) and its ability to get into the thyroid gland, causing a toxic gland, (that is what goiters and hashimtos are considered, and medically termed-"toxic") Perhaps you may want to rule that out, and get a panel performed on to list any mycoplasma's done.

That infection had been found in thyroid glands, messing up function, and causing disease. Dr Nicolson talks about it on his site. Search it, Patty. www.immed.org > Anyway, hope that helps a little, hope you doing well, hun. --- Original Message

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,

There is something called "The Elimination Diet" . .. You can probably find a lot of info about it with a websearch . . . Basically, you start with a very restricted diet, using just a few foods . . . then gradually add and subtract foods while noting how you feel. IMHO, it's probably a better way to uncover allergies than with the tests the allergist administer.

However, it requires time and discipline!

Rogene

naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote:

Can food allergies be related to pain issues? I am having problems with this damn foot again and I am so tired of it arg arg arg. Can anyone tell me if there is a way to test yourself for food allergies because I really cannot afford to go to one of these nature docs that charge so much and are not covered on insurance. I am pretty sure I am reacting to soy. When I eat my favorite cliff bars with the soy protien I get really really bad gas and tummy aches. Other than soy though I don't feel any reaction to food. I am really considering though that I may need to change my diet. I know I am eating too much sugar. It is not that I feel bad, but i just think I could feel better. I need to be able to concentrate because this math class I am taking is tough, for me. Anyhow any suggestions about this would be appreciated. I am not on here

as much as I would like to be lately because my schedule is brutal right now, with work and school and homework. Anyhow thanks ladies.hugsIn , "*~Patty~*" <fdp@l...> wrote:> Thanks ,> I did get tested for food allergies back in 1998 by my naturopath in Tucson and that is when I found the food allergy to chocolate and brewer's yeast. (First time in my life I knew about being allergic to chocolate!) > > Maybe I should be tested again. I have wondered about the wheat. I seem to get either a runny nose or brain fog sometimes--not every time--after eating wheat products. Eggs too. Food seems to have become an issue in my life, where it never was before.> > So we are pretty much at around the same place with our anti-TPO antibodies...I was just so shocked to see mine at 50

when it has been at 7! I don't know what triggers it, so it sounds like I really do need to take a look at my foods. I remember that guy that wrote the book on how he cured his Hashimoto's--he did it pretty much through diet, right?> > Thanks . I hope you are feeling better too! I am doing good--have energy again, kids are back in school, I am getting back into a schedule! I noticed a little pain in my hand joints and in my feet, but I am hoping with working out again, and doing a fast (planning one soon) will make it go away. > Patty> ----- Original Message ----- > From: JOSEPH PALANCA > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 12:24 PM> Subject: Re: hashimoto's, > > > Patty, I know from my experience there are two

thyroid antibodies that they test for (I am unsure if there are more) Anti Thyroglobulin and Anti thyroid peroxidase. (TPO) I was sopossed to be under two on both, and the anti thyroidglobulin was at 12,000 for a year, that is the one most likely to be high in the case of thyroid cancers, so they really watch the nodules, as in my case. > Meanwhile, the anti thyroid peroxidase (TPO) is usually the most common marker found in women with Hashimotos, usually not seen in relation to thyroid cancers. But some women have both, like me. I had both markers. My TPO was at 1100, or 1200 for over a year. Then, 3 Months after explant, and being on Dr Mercola's diet, with no Gluten (He believes that almost all thyroid is due to wheat intolerance, and also infectious) Wheat is also listed to be related in a lot of thyroid books, and on Shonman's site. Both went down , from 12,000 to 70 after explant, and the TPO

from 1100 to 90 . (Now at 60) > If you are asking me, I would look at your diet more closely and see if you may have a fool allergy triggering it. Maybe Gluten, or Dairy. I would cut out one, and have my doc retest in 4 weeks to see if the antibodies go down, that's what I did with dairy. Then try the other. I seem to be ok with Dairy but def not Gluten. > Or simply, you could request to have a gliadon antibody testing, to see if you are definitly allergic to wheat (celiac disease or sensitivity) and that may help. Celiac disease or just a small case of it, such as a sensitivity can trigger/cause RA, HAshimtos, Lupus, and many other auto immune illness, that upon eliminating them from your diet, everything calms down, and the secondary issues, like perhaps thyroid for you, would correct itself. By doing the blood test, you aren't cutting out a food that may be beneficial, as

and I were talking about, you would know for sure. I know they say that the thyroid is really impacted/affected by food allergies. I believe it. > Also if you are low on thyroid (meds), or having thyroid resistance (Dr Lowe-I want to go to him so bad!) then you will continue to have high antibodies as the thyroid is struggling, and stimulating itself to make more hormone, thinking it isnt making enough. Does that make sense? Its so hard to explain, I had to re-read some of my thyroid books two and three times to get it.> And then there is mycoplasma infection, (didn't you say that was in your implants) and its ability to get into the thyroid gland, causing a toxic gland, (that is what goiters and hashimtos are considered, and medically termed-"toxic") Perhaps you may want to rule that out, and get a panel performed on to list any mycoplasma's done.

That infection had been found in thyroid glands, messing up function, and causing disease. Dr Nicolson talks about it on his site. Search it, Patty. www.immed.org > Anyway, hope that helps a little, hope you doing well, hun. --- Original Message

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I think we develop more allergies with our breast implant experience, but they are hard to determine sometimes. I never had a single allergy to anything before implants, but I was tested in 1998 through the method and the results showed allergies to chocolate and brewers yeast. I have often wondered if I had other allergies as well...the single test I took did not test for everything, but there are different sections you choose from (and altogether those tests would run about $1000, so that is why I only tested a certain group. I chose the one with the most common foods for me). I should probably go see if anything has changed or test some other areas, but I have often wondered about egg, corn, and dairy. There are probably others that I am not even aware of. I only say this because of the brain fog I experience immediately when I eat soy. But maybe that is thyroid related...not sure.

Anyway, there are probably three different ways you can find out about allergies. You can go to an allergist/immunologist and do their standard allergy tests, but there are drawbacks to those tests. I think with those they stick you with a needle and watch for a reaction or something like that. Not sure, but I didn't think that would cut it for me.

You can also go to a naturopath and order the test, choosing which groups you want to test for. This is a blood test, and they will check for IgG and IgE reactions. (The difference is that IgE is a classic allergy with a permanent response for life, and it is usually an immediate reaction, occuring within minutes. An IgG response is a delayed response, which can come and go in cycles, and occurs if a certain food is eaten too much and too frequently. The symptoms can be joint pain, headaches or fatigue and can be subtle or severe.) My test included dairy, fruits, meats, fish/shellfish, vegetables, nut, grains and misc. I think it cost about $100.

The elimination diet Rogene mentioned is the cheapest way to go, but also takes the longest. It can take you months of strict and disciplined eating to figure out what you might be allergic to. I don't know if I could do it!

I hope you get it figured out. If you can eat almost anything without having any symptoms, you are probably okay. But I do think that most of us develop allergies as part of the immune response--I'll have to see if I can find a reference to this, but I have read before about an increase in allergies to those with a sluggish liver, chronic fatigue, thyroid issues, and all the stuff we are dealing with.

I hope you figure it out. ( I hope I do too!) Good luck in school!

Patty

---- Original Message -----

From: naturalbeauty38

Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:49 AM

Subject: Food allergies

Can food allergies be related to pain issues? I am having problems with this damn foot again and I am so tired of it arg arg arg. Can anyone tell me if there is a way to test yourself for food allergies because I really cannot afford to go to one of these nature docs that charge so much and are not covered on insurance. I am pretty sure I am reacting to soy. When I eat my favorite cliff bars with the soy protien I get really really bad gas and tummy aches. Other than soy though I don't feel any reaction to food. I am really considering though that I may need to change my diet. I know I am eating too much sugar. It is not that I feel bad, but i just think I could feel better. I need to be able to concentrate because this math class I am taking is tough, for me. Anyhow any suggestions about this would be appreciated. I am not on here as much as I would like to be lately because my schedule is brutal right now, with work and school and homework. Anyhow thanks ladies.hugs

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Hi

I was picking up some Chinese takeout with white rice.(egg allergy)

and started wondering: does Xolair reduce allergic reactions to food

allergies? Does anyone know? Since it lowers IgE,it seems that it

would lower all allergic reactions. My husband thinks I should

experiment and find out. Drs have experimented on me enough, NO WAY!

I'm just curious (and hopeful) that the next time I have an accidental

egg encounter it will be milder. Thanks for any info

Becki

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Hi Becki,

Xolair certainly has the potential to reduce all IgE-mediated allergic

reactions, including those caused by food allergies. It is my

understanding that Xolair (or its earlier counterpart) has already been

through a few trials for peanut allergy with good success. The most

recent study had to be stopped during the initial allergy testing phase

because it was too risky for participants to be exposed to peanuts. I

think they're currently trying to figure out how to conduct a safe

trial. I can't find my sources for this information right now, but I'll

post them if I find them.

I'm also hoping that Xolair might help with food allergies, but mine

aren't very cut-and-dried, so we'll see.

Hope this helps!

>

> Hi

> I was picking up some Chinese takeout with white rice.(egg allergy)

> and started wondering: does Xolair reduce allergic reactions to food

> allergies? Does anyone know? Since it lowers IgE,it seems that it

> would lower all allergic reactions. My husband thinks I should

> experiment and find out. Drs have experimented on me enough, NO WAY!

> I'm just curious (and hopeful) that the next time I have an

accidental

> egg encounter it will be milder. Thanks for any info

> Becki

>