Re: Best probiotic strains for gut health and immune system

April 27, 2010

I always liked sacch. boulardii, which is in kefir. Using a kefir grain to

make " kefir beer " worked as well as anything for me.

A good prebiotic is nice too. For me, konjac powder was magical: about 1/4

tsp. a day, mixed in food or water. You can get it from

www.miraclenoodles.com. It feeds the bacteria that produce butyrate in the

intestine, which is really good because your gut likes butyrate. Konjac

(glucomannan) also tends to kill yeast and bad bacteria. However, it causes

a reorganization of the bacteria in the gut, which might lead to some gas

etc. at first.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:38 PM, CarolH <wellnalive2@...> wrote:

> Hello,

> I just joined and have a few questions.. I would like to know if anyone is

> familiar with what specific strains of healthy probiotic bacteria are the

> most potent and important for rebuilding the gut and immune system (relating

> to candida or thrush). There are so many strains and products. Does anyone

> know of a product they would recommend as well as a source? I was looking at

> Body Ecology.com and wondering if there is anything even better on the

> market that anyone knows about and has used.

> I also wondered about what people might recommend for prebiotics that the

> bacteria feed on as well. Thanks much.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

April 28, 2010

My favorite so far is Primal Defense. I use it a lot in rescue and its helped me

save kittens on the verge of death from bacterial enteritis and feline

distemper.

â€œMost great people have attained their greatest success just one step beyond

their greatest failure.â€

Napoleon Hill (from " Think and Grow Rich " )

Check out my pet health groups:

rawferrets

http://pets./group/NCRAW

From: CarolH <wellnalive2@...>

Subject: Best probiotic strains for gut health and immune system

nutrition

Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 5:38 PM

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Hello,

I just joined and have a few questions.. I would like to know if anyone is

familiar with what specific strains of healthy probiotic bacteria are the most

potent and important for rebuilding the gut and immune system (relating to

candida or thrush). There are so many strains and products. Does anyone know of

a product they would recommend as well as a source? I was looking at Body

Ecology.com and wondering if there is anything even better on the market that

anyone knows about and has used.

I also wondered about what people might recommend for prebiotics that the

bacteria feed on as well. Thanks much.

April 28, 2010

Carol,

I am in a somewhat complicated situation. I sell what I believe to be a very

good (perhaps the best) probiotic supplement on the market. There are many other

probiotic brands manufactured by the same outfit this company I represent gets

their formulation from. I suspect that any brand supplied by this supplier would

be reputable. What makes what I sell superior is the inclusion of Aphanizomenon

flos aquae algae. It is reported that this addition makes these probiotic

bactieria six times more effective than other brands. The algae in the formula

gives the bacteria a boost in colonizing the gut. I have begun selling these

because of what they have done for me and my family in getting rid of systemic

yeast infections.

Now haveing said that, I will not try to sell you any of these, but will hope

you can find someone in your area who handles them.

Ellis Hein

Best probiotic strains for gut health and immune system

Hello,

I just joined and have a few questions.. I would like to know if anyone is

familiar with what specific strains of healthy probiotic bacteria are the most

potent and important for rebuilding the gut and immune system (relating to

candida or thrush). There are so many strains and products. Does anyone know of

a product they would recommend as well as a source? I was looking at Body

Ecology.com and wondering if there is anything even better on the market that

anyone knows about and has used.

I also wondered about what people might recommend for prebiotics that the

bacteria feed on as well. Thanks much.

April 29, 2010

Do you use the noodles from Miracle Noodles as well? Do they do the same

thing ... prebiotic?

~ Lynn

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:55 PM,

April 29, 2010

I expect they do the same thing, but I don't use the noodles. I tried them,

and they are ok. But since I only eat one meal a day anyway, cutting

calories further seemed pointless. And more work!

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Michel Therrien <michelnlynyrd@...>wrote:

> Do you use the noodles from Miracle Noodles as well? Do they do the same

> thing ... prebiotic?

>

> ~ Lynn

>

May 1, 2010

Wow. 1 meal a day. That would make life easy!

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:32 PM,

May 2, 2010

Heh heh. Yeah, exactly. Esp. since I do all the cooking! See:

www.fast-5.com

Basically the research is: one meal a day is BETTER for you

than the ol' 3-meal a day thing. There is a free downloadable

e-book though that gives all the details (on the above website).

For our family though, my family just normally eats that way

unless I nag them. So I stopped nagging. They got healthier,

and I got less kitchen time. All of us are skinnier.

On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Michel Therrien <michelnlynyrd@...>wrote:

> Wow. 1 meal a day. That would make life easy!

>

May 2, 2010

And your doctor approved eating one meal a day? And you get 100% of all of

your vitamins, minerals, and electrolytes (essential for your brain to

function, your muscles to move, basically to be ALIVE). Any starvation

technique I doubt has all the essentials to live.

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:26 AM,

May 2, 2010

In a message dated 5/2/2010 9:40:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

dragonod2002@... writes:

" And your doctor approved eating one meal a day? And you get 100% of all of

your vitamins, minerals, and electrolytes (essential for your brain to

function, your muscles to move, basically to be ALIVE). Any starvation

technique I doubt has all the essentials to live. "

---http://www.bruneinews.net/story/629648

Those who doubt may rest assured it's true because it's on the Internet.

May 2, 2010

I dont think that there is any single way for all humans to feed which is

optimal for their own genetic heritage and particular health and metabolic

function.

I have found that I do better with frequent smaller meals with moderate

carbohydrate intake. My hubby does better on low to no carb intake and 1-2

larger meals. Funny cause I used to picture myself as more of the carnivore.

haha I eat as much meat as I feel I need to when I do crave it, but its

definitely not catkins style. lol My hubby could eat meat every day, nearly

eclusively and feel great but I crave the sugars in the plants.

â€œMost great people have attained their greatest success just one step beyond

their greatest failure.â€

Napoleon Hill (from " Think and Grow Rich " )

Check out my pet health groups:

rawferrets

http://pets./group/NCRAW

--- On Sat, 5/1/10,

May 2, 2010

Anyway, to answer the question, the best Preboitic, Probiotic, or any thing

along that line is PLAIN unflavored unsweetened Yogurt. All these

Activia's etc do no more than regular $0.50 yogurt. If you want to get the

sweetened and flavored, feel free. I find if I shake the

fruit-on-the-bottom good before opening, it eliminates that stirring process

and the clumps of fruit and sweetener gel-ish stuff sticking to the bottom.

May 2, 2010

Not really.

â€œMost great people have attained their greatest success just one step beyond

their greatest failure.â€

Napoleon Hill (from " Think and Grow Rich " )

Check out my pet health groups:

rawferrets

http://pets./group/NCRAW

From: Odine <dragonod2002@...>

Subject: Re: Best probiotic strains for gut health and immune system

nutrition

Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 4:37 PM

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Anyway, to answer the question, the best Preboitic, Probiotic, or any

thing

along that line is PLAIN unflavored unsweetened Yogurt.

May 2, 2010

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Odine <dragonod2002@...> wrote:

> Anyway, to answer the question, the best Preboitic, Probiotic, or any

> thing

> along that line is PLAIN unflavored unsweetened Yogurt.

>

As far as I know kefir or koumiss are significantly more powerful probiotic

foods than yogurt because they contain a slightly wider variety of bacteria

and a synergy of bacteria and yeast. I believe that kimchi/kraut is at least

as good as yogurt probiotically too.

As far as prebiotic foods, although all milk has prebiotic fiber, I don't

know whether it's retained in fermented milk like yogurt, kefir, etc. I

would expect the average kimchi to be much more prebiotically rich than

yogurt, especially with garlic.

I don't think adding things to yogurt (honey, fruit, etc) diminishes the

probiotic value at all either. If anything, it might increase the amount of

microbes due to additional fermentation.

-Mike

May 2, 2010

Dr. Bert Herring is the one promoting Fast-5, and the book gives

the scientific rationale. It is based on a lot of ongoing research.

It is NOT a starvation technique at all. Mice that are on a feast/fast

diet eat about the same number of calories as those who eat all day,

but they are far healthier and live longer than mice that are either

fed ad-libitum or those who are on CRON diets. I did it originally

to disprove the idea, because someone said it would help my lifelong

blood sugar issues. Much to my chagrin, it worked.

Anyway, the research is ongoing so consider me one of the experimenters.

As a family we are very healthy, way more so than when we ate

" normally " . One of the things IF does is that it teaches your

body to eat what it needs, so most people's diets get a whole

lot better in terms of nutrients.

As for " my doctor " ... does anyone actually have a doctor who talks

about diet? Mostly when I've talked to them about food, they are living

off pizza and donuts and don't understand how we do without them.

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Odine <dragonod2002@...> wrote:

> And your doctor approved eating one meal a day? And you get 100% of all of

> your vitamins, minerals, and electrolytes (essential for your brain to

> function, your muscles to move, basically to be ALIVE). Any starvation

> technique I doubt has all the essentials to live.

>

> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:26 AM,

May 3, 2010

I thought the same thing. Most doctors dont know didly about diet anyhow and

still embrace the idea of the " food pyramid " and grain based diet. Sounds like

veterinarians in that regard. They know how to run tests and prescribe drugs

(many cant even get that right) and know little about appropriate diet.

â€œMost great people have attained their greatest success just one step beyond

their greatest failure.â€

Napoleon Hill (from " Think and Grow Rich " )

Check out my pet health groups:

rawferrets

http://pets./group/NCRAW

--- On Sun, 5/2/10,

May 3, 2010

> I thought the same thing. Most doctors dont know didly about diet anyhow and

still embrace the idea of the " food pyramid " and grain based diet. Sounds like

veterinarians in that regard. They know how to run tests and prescribe drugs

(many cant even get that right) and know little about appropriate diet.

I once heard someone comment (only half jokingly) that the current

food pyramid, with the cereals and grains at the bottom usurping the

place of fruits/veges, was suspiciously like the recommendations given

for fattening up cattle for market. Human cattle... an amusing image.

-M

May 4, 2010

Has anyone had bad luck with Primal Defense? I skimmed Jordan Rubin's original

book, " Patient Heal Thyself " a number of years ago when I had stomach issues,

and it made a big impression on me. I tried the Primal Defense a little, but

something weird happened (don't want to go into too much detail). Anyways, I

got scared and stopped it, and it's been sitting in my cabinet for a number of

years. Actually it is expired, but it was so expensive, I hate to throw it

away. I keep toying with buying another bottle to try once more...

>

> My favorite so far is Primal Defense. I use it a lot in rescue and its helped

me save kittens on the verge of death from bacterial enteritis and feline

distemper.

May 4, 2010

Swanson's Soil Based Organisms worked like a charm

for me. And is much less expensive than any other

I could find. 15 or so different organisms,

digestive enzymes, and trace minerals all in one

formula. Great stuff!

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

keppers79 wrote:

>

> Has anyone had bad luck with Primal Defense? I skimmed Jordan Rubin's

> original book, " Patient Heal Thyself " a number of years ago when I had

> stomach issues, and it made a big impression on me. I tried the Primal

> Defense a little, but something weird happened (don't want to go into

> too much detail). Anyways, I got scared and stopped it, and it's been

> sitting in my cabinet for a number of years. Actually it is expired, but

> it was so expensive, I hate to throw it away. I keep toying with buying

> another bottle to try once more...

>

> >

> > My favorite so far is Primal Defense. I use it a lot in rescue and

> its helped me save kittens on the verge of death from bacterial

> enteritis and feline distemper.

>

May 4, 2010

In the fast-5 group, someone posted a link to their Blog, and a discussion

they had with their personal trainer about " skipping breakfast " . It's a

common discussion people have with people unfamiliar with Intermittent

Fasting:

http://www.thefastinglife.com/2010/05/never-skip-breakfast.html

People who were " insiders " when the food pyramid was being built say it had

a lot to do with lobbyists. Basically I agree with Pollan about a

couple of things, one of them being: our country is being run in the service

of Corn, and has been for a long time. Farms that used to grow a variety of

crops are now monoculture Corn factories. And Corn fuels most of our food

production. At the turn of the century most excess corn was turned into

whisky, but now it fuels are cars, our soda pop, the plastics industry, our

beef.

Of course, soy and wheat and sugar are also up there, not just corn. But

they all are huge lobbying groups. The other foods: vegies, fruits, meat ...

aren't so highly profitable, since they are harder to grow, store and ship.

But the flip side of the equation is the Asians. Japanese routinely outlive

Americans, and the base of their diet is: grain. Rice, in fact, plus a lot

of fish and seaweed. Chinese are skinnier than us, even when they eat more

calories per day and have the same level of exercise. I think this is one

thing that highly influenced the food pyramid: the rice eaters of the world

do NOT " fatten up like cows " .

However, think on this: rice isn't fed to cows to fatten them up. Corn is

fed to cows, and wheat and soy are fed to cows, but I've never heard of

feeding them rice. So whatever is happening with " grains " and fat people,

someone has to solve the rice riddle before we can say that " grains make

people fat " .

My own take of course is that it isn't the grains per se that are the

problem: it's iron metabolism. When they fatten up cows they also add

molasses to the corn, and most carbs in the US have iron " fortification " ,

sometimes at a huge level (one bowl of cereal gives an adult a full dose of

iron for the day). The Sumo diet, which famously fattens up even the skinny

Japanese guys, is a high-iron diet, as opposed to the usual Japanese diet,

which is low-iron.

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, michelle rossi <

companion_animal_rescue@...> wrote:

> I thought the same thing. Most doctors dont know didly about diet anyhow

> and still embrace the idea of the " food pyramid " and grain based diet.

> Sounds like veterinarians in that regard. They know how to run tests and

> prescribe drugs (many cant even get that right) and know little about

> appropriate diet.

>

> “Most great people have attained their greatest success just one step

> beyond their greatest failure.”

>

> Napoleon Hill (from " Think and Grow Rich " )

>

> Check out my pet health groups:

>

> rawferrets

>

> http://pets./group/NCRAW

>

> --- On Sun, 5/2/10,

May 4, 2010

I wouldn't think that iron fortification is big money so I don't see an

agenda there. Why hasn't anyone looked into a possible iron metabolism

issue? Does it act as a preservative also?

~ Lynn

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:59 PM,

May 4, 2010

Guess you havent heard of " rice tummy? " Haha I say this part in jest, but while

I did bio field work on a rural (no electricity, no plumbing) island many of the

natives joke about their " rice guts, " which look similar to beer bellies. Every

single meal was focused on rice with fresh veggies and a bit of meat or fish as

a side dish. You take a GIANT scoop of rice and cover your plate in it. Then

take little spoonfuls of meat and veg to top it with. Each bite is 3/4 rice

though.

Speaking of the grain industry as a lump organization, I see the whole thing is

nothing but evil and corruption, hand in hand with processed food making, oil

manufacturing, big pharma, allopathic medicine in general (be it human or

animal), etc. The oil, grain and pharma rule the economy, and the products

resulting from these industries hinge on each other, whats a bi-product of one

industry is converted into a product for another, the ones doing the most damage

being processed foods (pet and human).

My a achilles heal is sugar in all its glorious, body polluting forms. I often

wonder why people are drawn to sugar, why cant broccoli taste like cupcakes? I

do enjoy brocolli, but not as much as cupcakes. My hubby has an interesting

theory; our bodies naurally crave the most available energy sources. By the very

nature of survival, our taste buds will gravitate us to foods that will pack on

pounds which would come in handy if we were faced with a survival situation

requiring fasting and limited calories.

I just think its Murphies law. If it tastes like heaven, its gonna kill you.

Damnn it.

Im 5'9 " and currently weigh 145.3lbs. I go up and down 15-17 lbs, currently at

my high weight. And speaking of cupcakes, I had 4 last night along with sugar

laden orange chicken and rice from PF Changs. Im the kind of person who could

eat a whole pie in a day. During thanksgiving my aunt would bake me my OWN

pumkin pie and I would eat the whole darn thing. I DO gain weight though, so the

next 3 days I have to seriously eat strictly so those cupcakes dont catch up. =(

Im rotten. I come from a family of fatties, Italians who would eat pasta 5/7

days of the week and the other two days potato and roast beef. Italian/

midwestern american fusion food. I can eat the heck out of a loaf of bread...

gimme bread, bread, any bread. Carbs; sugar and grains and starch! Lordy. So bad

and yet sooooo good. =(

--- In nutrition ,

May 4, 2010

I would be willing to buy your expired bottle if you would be interested. Just

email me in private please.

Thanks!

NAPA Foundation

> >

> > My favorite so far is Primal Defense. I use it a lot in rescue and its

helped me save kittens on the verge of death from bacterial enteritis and feline

distemper.

>

May 4, 2010

I don't think it's an agenda: iron fortification was done with the best of

intentions (anemia IS a big problem in most of the world). Iron

fortification is just a part of the issue though: it has a lot to do with

combinations of foods and genotype. Which makes it a lot harder to get a

handle on than the usual fairly simplistic dietary advice ( " eat less fat " ,

" eat more antioxidants " , " don't eat meat " , " don't eat carbs " ).

And it has been very well researched. It's one of those weirdnesses that

happen in our culture where one group of people work on something for years

and years, but no one else has heard of it. " Fermentation " is like that, for

instance. We make kraut all the time, and it's been made for centuries, but

most people I talk to have no idea that it can be made at home.

I was working on " the Internet " for many years where when I told people

about it, they thought I was making it up. The Internet was hardly a secret,

but only a handful of geeks used it. Then one day I woke up and *everyone*,

it seemed, was " on the net " . This massive paradigm shift happened, but it

took many years.

Anyway, iron metabolism problems are like that. It appears to be a real key

feature in " Syndrome X " , aging diseases in general, Type 2 diabetes, high

blood pressure, etc., and people are researching it. One of these days we'll

wake up and it will be common knowledge and Oprah will be having guests

talking about it. There are already some good books on it ( " The iron factor

in aging " is one: it's rather scientific in bent and more of a summary of

research papers).

Iron doesn't act as a preservative: rather the reverse. Many bacteria either

" eat " it directly, or they require it for metabolism. In fact, what some

antibiotics do to kill infections is to sequester iron so the bacteria can't

get it: bacteria like staph require lots of iron. Iron is also the main

catalyst for oxidation, so it makes food go bad faster (helps water break

down into H2O2).

The body sequesters iron in a molecule called ferritin. But ferritin is also

a signalling hormone of sorts, and it affects a person's metabolism. What

all the effects are is unclear, but in experiments, when Type 2 diabetics

give blood, and their ferritin levels go down, they become more insulin

sensitive, even if they only give blood twice a year.

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michel Therrien <michelnlynyrd@...>wrote:

> I wouldn't think that iron fortification is big money so I don't see an

> agenda there. Why hasn't anyone looked into a possible iron metabolism

> issue? Does it act as a preservative also?

>

> ~ Lynn

>

May 4, 2010

,

I enjoyed your post - gave me a couple of chuckles. Do you regularly consume

probiotic foods/drinks? I ask because it is my experience that as long as I

regularly (bi-daily) consume probiotic drinks, such as KT and/or coconut kefir,

I do not gain weight unless I overload my system with sugar and carbs that

change the gut flora to the kind that increases absorbtion of calories. I'm

just curious if you do consume probiotics on a daily basis in sufficient

quantities. Before I started consuming KT 3 years ago I battled weight gain.

One pastry would create 3 lbs about 3 days later.

Kathleen

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From: michelle r <companion_animal_rescue@...>

nutrition

Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 2:45:06 PM