Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

[Guest guest]

The Lark Music Camp just had its 26th year! This was my fourth year teaching at

the camp and i hope they keep inviting me back! 800 musicians and dancers in the

redwoods for 9 days.....my idea of fun

I long ago gave up cooking in restaurants and have my own vegetarian (vegan to

be more precise) personal chef and catering business. Homeade tempeh is one of

my specialities that people seem to enjoy

phil

Philip Gelb

vegetarian chef

shakuhachi player, teacher

http://philipgelb.com

Sea Orca <seaorca@...> wrote: Wow, a

music camp in my most favorite place on the Planet!

You don't happen to be a chef at The Ravens, do you? That whole area need

more vegetarian/raw foods restaurants.

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

>i am not wishing anyone, especially you, harm.

> i am just amused at your posts.

> And i am baffled at your kill or be killed attitude. Where does this

> begin, i wonder? Obviously, with that attitude it cannot possibly end

> except for total destruction of your " enemy " . And looking at the country

> that i live in (US), enemies are being conjured up all the time. I was

> raised to fear and hate communists and now i am being told to hate and

> fear terrorists. The people i fear the most are the ones running my

> country into the ground who are trying to tell me that i have to hate and

> kill people of islamic countries or they will kill me.

>

> I just spent a few days playing music with a sufi musician from Turkey and

> an Arabic musician from Palestine. We were all part of an international

> faculty of music teachers at the Lark Music Camp in mendocino. Noone tried

> to kill anyone and we all walked away with smiles on our faces. I much

> prefer living this way than in fear and having to want to kill or be

> killed.

>

> Anyways, back to the topic of this list.....i am about to open a crock

> full of kraut that has been fermenting for almost 2 months and another

> crock of saikyo type white miso. YUMMMMMM

>

> phil

>

> Philip Gelb

> vegetarian chef

> shakuhachi player, teacher

> http://philipgelb.com

>

> ~*~~*~ <shelleycornell@...> wrote:

> And Phil...You think I'm the negative one?

>

> My goodness. I don't wish any harm on you, yet you APPEAR to be wishing

> harm on me and others that think the way you THINK I think.

>

> Now which one of us is militant?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I second that notion and offer to chip in to give a one way ticket to

Irak.

I could not help but notice that the terrorist list that he/she posted omitted

some of the worst terrorists of our time; henry kissinger, donald rumsfeld,

richard perle, various israeli ministers bush the first, bush the second,

reagan, i could go on and on but instead i will go and make an apricot miso

basil dressing and this is my last political post to the list, i promise.

phil

Philip Gelb

vegetarian chef

shakuhachi player, teacher

http://philipgelb.com

I would wish that those who are in favor of war would just quit being

armchar generals and go fight in the wars they favor. Surely they could get

in as mercinaries or something if they are too old for a regular military

unit.

..

[Guest guest]

Phil, that sounds like wonderful fun.

I think it is very interesting that this thread begin with a discussion about

NOT pounding the %#^@ out of the cabbage, and turned into a full blown

ideological war of words. Maybe there is a lesson in here somewhere. Perhaps it

is better to pound our cabbage to a pulp to make better kraut or kimchi rather

than pounding our neighbors and fellow humans to make a " better " and more

homogenized and pasteurized, i.e. " safer " world for those of us who have become

attached to the great american dream of limitless excess.

Tonio.

The Lark Music Camp just had its 26th year! This was my fourth year teaching

at the camp and i hope they keep inviting me back! 800 musicians and dancers in

the redwoods for 9 days.....my idea of fun

I long ago gave up cooking in restaurants and have my own vegetarian (vegan to

be more precise) personal chef and catering business. Homeade tempeh is one of

my specialities that people seem to enjoy

phil

Philip Gelb

vegetarian chef

shakuhachi player, teacher

http://philipgelb.com

Sea Orca <seaorca@...> wrote: Wow, a music camp in my most favorite

place on the Planet!

You don't happen to be a chef at The Ravens, do you? That whole area need

more vegetarian/raw foods restaurants.

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

>i am not wishing anyone, especially you, harm.

> i am just amused at your posts.

> And i am baffled at your kill or be killed attitude. Where does this

> begin, i wonder? Obviously, with that attitude it cannot possibly end

> except for total destruction of your " enemy " . And looking at the country

> that i live in (US), enemies are being conjured up all the time. I was

> raised to fear and hate communists and now i am being told to hate and

> fear terrorists. The people i fear the most are the ones running my

> country into the ground who are trying to tell me that i have to hate and

> kill people of islamic countries or they will kill me.

>

> I just spent a few days playing music with a sufi musician from Turkey and

> an Arabic musician from Palestine. We were all part of an international

> faculty of music teachers at the Lark Music Camp in mendocino. Noone tried

> to kill anyone and we all walked away with smiles on our faces. I much

> prefer living this way than in fear and having to want to kill or be

> killed.

>

> Anyways, back to the topic of this list.....i am about to open a crock

> full of kraut that has been fermenting for almost 2 months and another

> crock of saikyo type white miso. YUMMMMMM

>

> phil

>

> Philip Gelb

> vegetarian chef

> shakuhachi player, teacher

> http://philipgelb.com

>

> ~*~~*~ <shelleycornell@...> wrote:

> And Phil...You think I'm the negative one?

>

> My goodness. I don't wish any harm on you, yet you APPEAR to be wishing

> harm on me and others that think the way you THINK I think.

>

> Now which one of us is militant?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When planes started crashing into buildings, nobody said, " Oh my gosh,

why would the Amish do this to us? "

We knew who did it, and it turns out we were right. Talk about planet

destroying...wait until they get a nuke. New York will know the day it

happens.

They already have tons of nukes, and they have been destroying the planet for a

long time. And New Yorkers are overwhelmingly aware of who did it. And they are

right, at least all the evidence points overwhelmingly at the Bush/Cheney gang.

The evidence is absolutely irrefutable, if you are willing to actually look at

it with an open mind.

By the way, I think you are confusing the Amish with the Quakers.

If only we could get the warmongers to go and fight their own wars for

themselves we could be rid of them all, but unfortunately they prey upon the

young and the naive with grand illusions of honor, patriotism, terrorism, and

the american way (which has changed quite dramatically over the past 200+ years)

to do the dirty work for them.

Sorry, Mike, I can't even listen to my own voice of restraint.

Tonio

ps I wonder what microbes talk about in their intestinal net groups.

[Guest guest]

Something like pounding our swords into...kraut? LOL!

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

>

> >i am not wishing anyone, especially you, harm.

> > i am just amused at your posts.

> > And i am baffled at your kill or be killed attitude. Where does this

> > begin, i wonder? Obviously, with that attitude it cannot possibly end

> > except for total destruction of your " enemy " . And looking at the

> country

> > that i live in (US), enemies are being conjured up all the time. I was

> > raised to fear and hate communists and now i am being told to hate and

> > fear terrorists. The people i fear the most are the ones running my

> > country into the ground who are trying to tell me that i have to hate

> and

> > kill people of islamic countries or they will kill me.

> >

> > I just spent a few days playing music with a sufi musician from Turkey

> and

> > an Arabic musician from Palestine. We were all part of an international

> > faculty of music teachers at the Lark Music Camp in mendocino. Noone

> tried

> > to kill anyone and we all walked away with smiles on our faces. I much

> > prefer living this way than in fear and having to want to kill or be

> > killed.

> >

> > Anyways, back to the topic of this list.....i am about to open a crock

> > full of kraut that has been fermenting for almost 2 months and another

> > crock of saikyo type white miso. YUMMMMMM

> >

> > phil

> >

> > Philip Gelb

> > vegetarian chef

> > shakuhachi player, teacher

> > http://philipgelb.com

> >

> > ~*~~*~ <shelleycornell@...> wrote:

> > And Phil...You think I'm the negative one?

> >

> > My goodness. I don't wish any harm on you, yet you APPEAR to be wishing

> > harm on me and others that think the way you THINK I think.

> >

> > Now which one of us is militant?

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

So to make this hat, do I fold the tinfoil on the corners, or just on

the edges?

tonio epstein wrote:

> When planes started crashing into buildings, nobody said, " Oh my gosh,

> why would the Amish do this to us? "

>

> We knew who did it, and it turns out we were right. Talk about planet

> destroying...wait until they get a nuke. New York will know the day it

> happens.

>

> They already have tons of nukes, and they have been destroying the

> planet for a long time. And New Yorkers are overwhelmingly aware of

> who did it. And they are right, at least all the evidence points

> overwhelmingly at the Bush/Cheney gang. The evidence is absolutely

> irrefutable, if you are willing to actually look at it with an open mind.

>

> By the way, I think you are confusing the Amish with the Quakers.

>

> If only we could get the warmongers to go and fight their own wars for

> themselves we could be rid of them all, but unfortunately they prey

> upon the young and the naive with grand illusions of honor,

> patriotism, terrorism, and the american way (which has changed quite

> dramatically over the past 200+ years) to do the dirty work for them.

>

> Sorry, Mike, I can't even listen to my own voice of restraint.

>

> Tonio

> ps I wonder what microbes talk about in their intestinal net groups.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would advise not using those. A study has shown that they actually amplify

frequencies used by the government. See MIT study

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

> So to make this hat, do I fold the tinfoil on the corners, or just on

> the edges?

[Guest guest]

> Tonio

> ps I wonder what microbes talk about in their intestinal net groups.

OK, now THAT I can't resist!

Microbe 1: Leuconostoc (Leu)

Microbe 2: Saccharomyces bourneii (Sacchi)

Microbe 3: Lactobacillus Caucasus (Lacto)

Microbe 4: E. Coli. (Col)

Leu to Sacchi: Wow. It's nice and quiet around here lately.

Sacchi: Yeah. I hope we get fed soon.

Lacto: Too quiet. I think we need to up our defenses.

Lets produce some more of that chemical warfare

agent and make it nice and acidic here!

Sacchi: OK. I'll make some aldehydes too.

Col: Hey what's going on here? Why is it getting so, so, AAAAGGGH

I'm choking ....

Leu: GUYS! There's a coliform in our midst!

Sacchi: Everyone get him!

Lacto: He's dying!!!! Yay for our team!

=========

From this we may learn that Nature consists of a combination

of cooperation and ruthlessness. Human beings have typically

thrived when they operate more out of cooperation than

ruthlessness and when we've been able to understand our

enemies and even get them on our side (as happened in

history when, say, France was unified or the War of the Roses

finally ended). But bacteria thrive more when they operate

cooperatively too ... as one can see in kefir.

[Guest guest]

Yea, for a little intestinal perspective. And to paraphrase Isao, " as below, so

above. "

> Tonio

> ps I wonder what microbes talk about in their intestinal net groups.

OK, now THAT I can't resist!

Microbe 1: Leuconostoc (Leu)

Microbe 2: Saccharomyces bourneii (Sacchi)

Microbe 3: Lactobacillus Caucasus (Lacto)

Microbe 4: E. Coli. (Col)

Leu to Sacchi: Wow. It's nice and quiet around here lately.

Sacchi: Yeah. I hope we get fed soon.

Lacto: Too quiet. I think we need to up our defenses.

Lets produce some more of that chemical warfare

agent and make it nice and acidic here!

Sacchi: OK. I'll make some aldehydes too.

Col: Hey what's going on here? Why is it getting so, so, AAAAGGGH

I'm choking ....

Leu: GUYS! There's a coliform in our midst!

Sacchi: Everyone get him!

Lacto: He's dying!!!! Yay for our team!

=========

From this we may learn that Nature consists of a combination

of cooperation and ruthlessness. Human beings have typically

thrived when they operate more out of cooperation than

ruthlessness and when we've been able to understand our

enemies and even get them on our side (as happened in

history when, say, France was unified or the War of the Roses

finally ended). But bacteria thrive more when they operate

cooperatively too ... as one can see in kefir.

[Guest guest]

Brilliant (Heidi) and double brilliant (Tonio).

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

> Yea, for a little intestinal perspective. And to paraphrase Isao, " as

> below, so above. "

>

>

> > Tonio

> > ps I wonder what microbes talk about in their intestinal net groups.

>

> OK, now THAT I can't resist!

>

> Microbe 1: Leuconostoc (Leu)

> Microbe 2: Saccharomyces bourneii (Sacchi)

> Microbe 3: Lactobacillus Caucasus (Lacto)

> Microbe 4: E. Coli. (Col)

>

> Leu to Sacchi: Wow. It's nice and quiet around here lately.

> Sacchi: Yeah. I hope we get fed soon.

> Lacto: Too quiet. I think we need to up our defenses.

> Lets produce some more of that chemical warfare

> agent and make it nice and acidic here!

> Sacchi: OK. I'll make some aldehydes too.

>

> Col: Hey what's going on here? Why is it getting so, so, AAAAGGGH

> I'm choking ....

>

> Leu: GUYS! There's a coliform in our midst!

> Sacchi: Everyone get him!

> Lacto: He's dying!!!! Yay for our team!

>

> =========

> From this we may learn that Nature consists of a combination

> of cooperation and ruthlessness. Human beings have typically

> thrived when they operate more out of cooperation than

> ruthlessness and when we've been able to understand our

> enemies and even get them on our side (as happened in

> history when, say, France was unified or the War of the Roses

> finally ended). But bacteria thrive more when they operate

> cooperatively too ... as one can see in kefir.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ok, i know i said it would be my last political announcement but i cant stand

reading ignorance, especially about 9-11 and the absurd wars that came after.

You said, we know who did it? Do we? Where is the evidence? I have yet to be

shown any evidence that al qaeda bombed nyc. I have repeatedly been told who did

it but no evidence has ever been shown. I have seen videos that prove beyond any

doubt that secondary explosions occurred in both buildings. Friends of mine who

were near by the site at the time said that floors were popping and looked as if

there were numerous bombs going off one after the other and this is shown on

some of the videos as well. Besides, how could 2 building fall so symetrically

unless they were planned implosions????? And how could a skyscraper fall from

heat after the main fires are put out?!?

The owner of the world trade centers even said that he chose to pull building

number 7 which means he decided to make it fall. Wake up america. PLEASE wake up

and see how corrupt the new american century group that stole 2 elections

actually is.

good bye to the american republic and hello to the new american century empire.

fun fun fun

phil

This is in response to the following comment:

We knew who did it, and it turns out we were right. Talk about planet

destroying...wait until they get a nuke. New York will know the day it

happens

[Guest guest]

FWIW I agree with your pounding posts

For the ecologically minded here. Northern Israel forests have been set on fire

and devastated by Hizb'allah Katyusha rockets. Islam thrives in deserts, arid

landscapes and deforested zones. This is my last political post

H

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

Have you ever noticed what happens to a good natured child that compromises

with a bully? They end up getting their lunch money taken away, day in and day

out or some other abuse.

If that same compromising child would have been able to discern that

compromising with an abuser...namely the bully in this case, only leads to

continued abuse, than that child would have known to 1. put their foot down in

the first place and not allow the initial lunch money be taken away, or 2. Go to

someone with more authority/power who could FORCE the bully to stop their abuse.

In a perfect world, compromising with bullies and abusers sounds pretty. Here

on Earth, however, compromising with a bully only makes them think they can

bully you another day. Bullies/abusers/terrorists, don't respect boundaries.

They don't care about what you want, what you need, what you believe, what you

like. They are self centered. They have their own ideals of good and bad. Their

own beliefs of how things should or should not be. Of what belongs to them.

Their own agenda of what THEY want...and they WILL force themselves on you IF

YOU LET THEM. This can be by being complacent or it can be as simple as being

ignorant enough to think if one compromises with a bully, all their troubles

will go away. A realistic perusal of past and present history SCREAMS this

statement to be true.

If a bully will not stop bullying, YOU MAKE THEM STOP. If you do not have the

power to make them stop, you find a mommy or a daddy, or on a bigger scale, a

governmental scale, an ally, to HELP YOU MAKE THEM STOP. If someone wants to

kill you, there is only one thing you can do with that and it's self

explanatory.

Bacteria, just takes over. Good plan when you're dealing with a bully. Fill

your gut with good bacteria and let it show the bad bacteria whose boss. No

compromise, just wipe the bad guys out. I'm up with that. We could learn a lot

from pro-biotics. :0)

¸... ´¨¨)) -:¦:-

¸..´ ..´¨¨))

((¸¸..´ ...´ -:¦:-

2006~*~The Year of My Suddenlies

-:¦:- ((¸¸..´*.

[Guest guest]

Not directed to anyone person, but! Recomends a

O.T.nutrition Group. Tired of shifting through back post to

get caught up on my reading.

Audrey

<snippet>

> When planes started crashing into buildings, nobody said, " Oh my

gosh,

> why would the Amish do this to us? "

> > Philip Gelb wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Hah, don't get me started on primal ooz.

Audrey

<snippet>> > > Tonio

> > > ps I wonder what microbes talk about in their intestinal net

groups.

> >

> > OK, now THAT I can't resist!

> >>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Mike,

I agree and wish they would stop it! I come here for the food not

politics! and personal opinions. Start an O.T.Mibrobial_Nurtition

Group for it then who ever wants it.

Audrey

<snippet>

It was an interesting

> cultural connection to microbial concepts, but let's be light-

hearted,

> sensitive, and friendly! We have a fantastic group of people

here. Let's

> handle ideological topics non-divisively! In other words, keep the

ideas

> separate from the people who may or not " hold " them!

>

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Group,

I apologize for multiple post on this subject. I had accidently been

reading older post, thinking I was catching up, my bad.

Audrey

<snipet>

>> It was an interesting

> > cultural connection to microbial concepts, but let's be light-

> hearted,

> > sensitive, and friendly! We have a fantastic group of people

> here. Let's

> > handle ideological topics non-divisively! In other words, keep

the

> ideas

> > separate from the people who may or not " hold " them!

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That is why the letters " OT " appear in the subject line of the off-

topic thread, so that if you are not interested in politics or

personal opinions then you don't have to read them (or post your

personal opinion about them!)

>

> Thank you Mike,

> I agree and wish they would stop it! I come here for the food not

> politics! and personal opinions. Start an O.T.Mibrobial_Nurtition

> Group for it then who ever wants it.

> Audrey

>

> <snippet>

> It was an interesting

> > cultural connection to microbial concepts, but let's be light-

> hearted,

> > sensitive, and friendly! We have a fantastic group of people

> here. Let's

> > handle ideological topics non-divisively! In other words, keep

the

> ideas

> > separate from the people who may or not " hold " them!

> >

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

No, sorry but O.T. would be more like my asking about Mochi, not

debates. So that when I look through the O.T. I can find other

interesting food info, NOT UNrelated topics.

Audrey

<snippet>

>

> That is why the letters " OT " appear in the subject line of the off-

> topic thread, so that if you are not interested in politics or

> personal opinions then you don't have to read them (or post your

> personal opinion about them!)

>