Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

[Guest guest]

Have you ever noticed what happens to a good natured child that compromises with

a bully? They end up getting their lunch money taken away, day in and day out

or some other abuse.

If that same compromising child would have been able to discern that

compromising with an abuser...namely the bully in this case, only leads to

continued abuse, than that child would have known to 1. put their foot down in

the first place and not allow the initial lunch money be taken away, or 2. Go

to someone with more authority/power who could FORCE the bully to stop their

abuse.

In a perfect world, compromising with bullies and abusers sounds pretty. Here

on Earth, however, compromising with a bully only makes them think they can

bully you another day. Bullies/abusers/terrorists, don't respect boundaries.

They don't care about what you want, what you need, what you believe, what you

like. They are self centered. They have their own ideals of good and bad.

Their own beliefs of how things should or should not be. Of what belongs to

them. Their own agenda of what THEY want...and they WILL force themselves on

you IF YOU LET THEM. This can be by being complacent or it can be as simple as

being ignorant enough to think if one compromises with a bully, all their

troubles will go away. A realistic perusal of past and present history SCREAMS

this statement to be true.

If a bully will not stop bullying, YOU MAKE THEM STOP. If you do not have the

power to make them stop, you find a mommy or a daddy, or on a bigger scale, a

governmental scale, an ally, to HELP YOU MAKE THEM STOP. If someone wants to

kill you, there is only one thing you can do with that and it's self

explanatory.

Bacteria, just takes over. Good plan when you're dealing with a bully. Fill

your gut with good bacteria and let it show the bad bacteria whose boss. No

compromise, just wipe the bad guys out. I'm up with that. We could learn a lot

from pro-biotics. :0)

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((¸¸..´ ...´ -:¦:-

2006~*~The Year of My Suddenlies

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[Guest guest]

A point could be made that that may be the larger reason for the wars and

conflicts, that the people engaging in such have chosen to be here on this

world at this time doing that to learn those lessons, even if that lesson is

to learn of the futility of war. Still, one can speak out about it:

" It is our earth, not yours or mine. We are meant to live on it, helping

each other, not destroying each other....If you harm others, if you

kill others, whether in anger or by organized murder which is called

war, you, who are the rest of humanity, not a separate human being

fighting the rest of mankind, are destroying yourself. "

~ Krishnamurti, March 31, 1983

OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

> Actually, I see a very important, non-political message in all of this -

> although it is still off topic.

>

> *Let people work out their differences themselves.* Creatures need to

> learn

> to compromise on their own, without having someone to protect their

> selfish

> interests while doing so.

----snip--------

[Guest guest]

I was speaking more towards why taking the side of the bully is wrong. In

some instances, it is difficult to see who exactly is the bully. Social

tensions rise for years before fighting breaks out. Who said the first

insult? Threw the first rock? Shot the first gun? If you don't know for

100% sure, then you need to let them figure it out for themselves. If you

want to be involved: sit them down at a table. But for all other purposes,

let them compromise on their own.

-Lana

If a bully will not stop bullying, YOU MAKE THEM STOP. If you do not have

> the power to make them stop, you find a mommy or a daddy, or on a bigger

> scale, a governmental scale, an ally, to HELP YOU MAKE THEM STOP. If someone

> wants to kill you, there is only one thing you can do with that and it's

> self explanatory.

>

> Bacteria, just takes over. Good plan when you're dealing with a bully.

> Fill your gut with good bacteria and let it show the bad bacteria whose

> boss. No compromise, just wipe the bad guys out. I'm up with that. We could

> learn a lot from pro-biotics. :0)

>

> ¸... ´¨¨)) -:¦:-

> ¸..´ ..´¨¨))

> ((¸¸..´ ...´ -:¦:-

> 2006~*~The Year of My Suddenlies

> -:¦:- ((¸¸..´*.

>

[Guest guest]

If we don't know who the bully is, we need to read true history. Not the

revised terrorist version...real historic events.

Sit down at a table? Sit down at the table and...What? Talk to the 'nice'

terrorist? " Mr. Terrorist, please don't kill us anymore, ok? Maybe we can help

by sending some of those suicide murderers to counseling? This is a win win,

Mr. Terrorist. That way, maybe they won't kill themselves in our grocery stores

anymore taking our mommies and children with them. Ok, Mr. Terrorist? " " More

land, Mr. Terrorist? Maybe we can make the rest of the country 9 miles wide, it

gives us less to take care of. "

The point is YOU DON'T COMPROMISE. Compromising is a joke. Compromise with a

bully today and they'll take your lunch money tomorrow. YOU DO NOT...Let me

rephrase that, YOU CANNOT compromise with a terrorist and hope for anything good

for YOU to come of it. They want you dead. How do you compromise with a person

that wants you to die simply because of who you are? And further, believes that

by killing you, they are worshiping their god?

Just remember, terrorists are bad bacteria. It's very simple when you think

about it that way.

¸... ´¨¨)) -:¦:-

¸..´ ..´¨¨))

((¸¸..´ ...´ -:¦:-

2006~*~The Year of My Suddenlies

-:¦:- ((¸¸..´*.

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

I was speaking more towards why taking the side of the bully is wrong. In

some instances, it is difficult to see who exactly is the bully. Social

tensions rise for years before fighting breaks out. Who said the first

insult? Threw the first rock? Shot the first gun? If you don't know for

100% sure, then you need to let them figure it out for themselves. If you

want to be involved: sit them down at a table. But for all other purposes,

let them compromise on their own.

-Lana

If a bully will not stop bullying, YOU MAKE THEM STOP. If you do not have

> the power to make them stop, you find a mommy or a daddy, or on a bigger

> scale, a governmental scale, an ally, to HELP YOU MAKE THEM STOP. If someone

> wants to kill you, there is only one thing you can do with that and it's

> self explanatory.

>

> Bacteria, just takes over. Good plan when you're dealing with a bully.

> Fill your gut with good bacteria and let it show the bad bacteria whose

> boss. No compromise, just wipe the bad guys out. I'm up with that. We could

> learn a lot from pro-biotics. :0)

>

> ¸... ´¨¨)) -:¦:-

> ¸..´ ..´¨¨))

> ((¸¸..´ ...´ -:¦:-

> 2006~*~The Year of My Suddenlies

> -:¦:- ((¸¸..´*.

>

[Guest guest]

STOP accusing me of saying " negotiate with terrorists " . I am speaking in

the general sense: NOT about any particular conflict. You on the other

hand, are speaking of something more specific, it seems. Yes, in the case

where you are 100% sure who the bully is, your point rings true. Way to

flame someone for something they didn't even say.

(ONCE AGAIN: I am speaking GENERALLY, in regards to conflicts as menial as

siblings over a toy, NOT about any politics or any current world events!!!)

Blinding yourself by thinking there is always a 100% clear bully in every

conflict is rediculous. A lot of the time you don't know because its just a

he-said she-said. Always being on the offensive to pound the enemy into the

ground no matter who, no matter what, no matter why is wrong. " Never

Compromise! " is just as bad as " always compromise. " Of course, *sometimes*

drastic measures need to be taken. But for the most part, we need to foster

a world where people still know how to compromise - even if they don't have

the opportunity to use that skill very often.

-Lana

On 8/6/06, ~*~~*~ <shelleycornell@...> wrote:

>

> If we don't know who the bully is, we need to read true history. Not the

> revised terrorist version...real historic events.

>

> Sit down at a table? Sit down at the table and...What? Talk to the 'nice'

> terrorist? " Mr. Terrorist, please don't kill us anymore, ok? Maybe we can

> help by sending some of those suicide murderers to counseling? This is a win

> win, Mr. Terrorist. That way, maybe they won't kill themselves in our

> grocery stores anymore taking our mommies and children with them. Ok, Mr.

> Terrorist? " " More land, Mr. Terrorist? Maybe we can make the rest of the

> country 9 miles wide, it gives us less to take care of. "

>

> The point is YOU DON'T COMPROMISE. Compromising is a joke. Compromise with

> a bully today and they'll take your lunch money tomorrow. YOU DO NOT...Let

> me rephrase that, YOU CANNOT compromise with a terrorist and hope for

> anything good for YOU to come of it. They want you dead. How do you

> compromise with a person that wants you to die simply because of who you

> are? And further, believes that by killing you, they are worshiping their

> god?

>

> Just remember, terrorists are bad bacteria. It's very simple when you

> think about it that way.

>

>

> ¸... ´¨¨)) -:¦:-

> ¸..´ ..´¨¨))

> ((¸¸..´ ...´ -:¦:-

> 2006~*~The Year of My Suddenlies

> -:¦:- ((¸¸..´*.

>

> Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

>

> I was speaking more towards why taking the side of the bully is wrong. In

> some instances, it is difficult to see who exactly is the bully. Social

> tensions rise for years before fighting breaks out. Who said the first

> insult? Threw the first rock? Shot the first gun? If you don't know for

> 100% sure, then you need to let them figure it out for themselves. If you

> want to be involved: sit them down at a table. But for all other purposes,

> let them compromise on their own.

>

> -Lana

>

[Guest guest]

1. ALWAYS being on the offensive, ready to pound into the ground, the enemy that

wants to kill you, is EXACTLY the way you keep breathing.

2. I did not say you NEVER compromise. I said you never compromise with

someone who wants to kill you.

3. When you are dealing with an enemy that wants you to die, the only

compromise you have with them is for you to die. This is not a compromise I

would choose to make.

4. Some enemies speak a different language. Often times, the only language

they understand is the language of death. You must learn to speak your enemy's

language if you want them to understand you.

5. If you aren't always 100% sure of who the enemy is any conflict, you're

potentially pretty screwed.

I did not mean to get into this little banter with you, but let me say, it has

been my pleasure. I think we have worn it out now, but before I go, I want to

offer my sincerest, thanks...

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¸..´ ..´¨¨))

((¸¸..´ ...´ -:¦:-

2006~*~The Year of My Suddenlies

-:¦:- ((¸¸..´*.

[Guest guest]

you would not happen to be a republican by chance?

sounds like you have some serious issues! good luck dealing with them but please

keep them off this board

phil

~*~~*~ <shelleycornell@...> wrote:

1. ALWAYS being on the offensive, ready to pound into the ground, the enemy that

wants to kill you, is EXACTLY the way you keep breathing.

2. I did not say you NEVER compromise. I said you never compromise with

someone who wants to kill you.

3. When you are dealing with an enemy that wants you to die, the only

compromise you have with them is for you to die. This is not a compromise I

would choose to make.

4. Some enemies speak a different language. Often times, the only language

they understand is the language of death. You must learn to speak your enemy's

language if you want them to understand you.

5. If you aren't always 100% sure of who the enemy is any conflict, you're

potentially pretty screwed.

I did not mean to get into this little banter with you, but let me say, it has

been my pleasure. I think we have worn it out now, but before I go, I want to

offer my sincerest, thanks...

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2006~*~The Year of My Suddenlies

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[Guest guest]

Parts of this thread seem a little gratuitous. It was an interesting

cultural connection to microbial concepts, but let's be light-hearted,

sensitive, and friendly! We have a fantastic group of people here. Let's

handle ideological topics non-divisively! In other words, keep the ideas

separate from the people who may or not " hold " them!

Mike

[Guest guest]

Phil wroe:

>sounds like you have some serious issues!

I don't think e has issues, I think she is talking sense!

and the K9's

>I did not say you NEVER compromise. I said you never compromise with

someone who wants to kill you.

[Guest guest]

I agree 100% with . However, I am not a Republican, and we ALL

have issues.

Funny though, I keep asking questions about fermented foods, and get no

answers. Maybe if I made my question about a fermented food allegory I

would get better purchase.

So a Harsch crock walks into a talent agent's office, and exclaims, " I

have the act you have been looking for! "

The crock then begins juggling veggies, salt, water and a few cloves of

garlic. Then the crock crams all of the vegetables AND the salt AND the

water into its self, pounds the #### out of it with a wooden mallet,

ferments, then audibly lets gas escape from under its lid, and yells,

" TAH DAH! "

The talent agent scratches his head for a minute and finally says,

" That's quite an act, what do you call it? "

" The Aristicrats " , came the reply.

Pugh wrote:

> Phil wroe:

>

> >sounds like you have some serious issues!

>

> I don't think e has issues, I think she is talking sense!

>

> and the K9's

>

> >I did not say you NEVER compromise. I said you never compromise with

> someone who wants to kill you.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear and the K9s,

Our fearless and rather wise moderator has weighed in on this thread for the

overall benefit of all of us in relation to this group. Please heed. I'm sure we

all have opinions about this thread and all sorts of other things, however, this

is not really the best place for mortal combat over non-MN issues.

Peace to all of you, you'll need it as non of us have a chance against these

microbes( " good or bad " ). They'll win in the end no matter how much we choose or

not choose to fight.

Treading once again where even angels fear to tread,

Tonio

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

Phil wroe:

>sounds like you have some serious issues!

I don't think e has issues, I think she is talking sense!

and the K9's

>I did not say you NEVER compromise. I said you never compromise with

someone who wants to kill you.

[Guest guest]

Tonio Darling,

As a martial artist, I make sure that I arm myself with the most

potent garlicky kimchi breath I can when I kiyop and prepare myself

for combat in fighting stance. If that doesn't work, I always

remember that it is a defensive nature I must have. Balance will

exist in nature, and learning to yield when striken takes tremendous

wisdom, skill and training. Symbiosis.

Fizzy ferment freedom,

Deanna

> Peace to all of you, you'll need it as non of us have a chance

against these microbes( " good or bad " ). They'll win in the end no

matter how much we choose or not choose to fight.

[Guest guest]

Ah my Dearest Deanna, it has been too long. Indeed, I've used much the same

approach with double edged results. And, not even always successfully on the up

edge, or was that the down edge. Hmmm. Symbiosis. Yes. Acceptance. The more I

look at the symbiosis thing the more all inclusive it seems. Do we really have

to coexist with everything and everyone in balance and harmony? Even those who

would bully and mercilessly attack our guts with " good " and/or " bad " bacteria,

and our minds with their " good " and/or " bad " notions about anything and

everything?

Well, at the very least I'm glad to hear that you are not throwing in the towel

too easily.

Viva la fermentation,

Tonio

" Fart like a butterfly and stink like a bee. "

~ Gaseous Clay

Tonio Darling,

As a martial artist, I make sure that I arm myself with the most

potent garlicky kimchi breath I can when I kiyop and prepare myself

for combat in fighting stance. If that doesn't work, I always

remember that it is a defensive nature I must have. Balance will

exist in nature, and learning to yield when striken takes tremendous

wisdom, skill and training. Symbiosis.

Fizzy ferment freedom,

Deanna

> Peace to all of you, you'll need it as non of us have a chance

against these microbes( " good or bad " ). They'll win in the end no

matter how much we choose or not choose to fight.

[Guest guest]

History is written by the victors and is highly subjective. The only way to

approximate a " true " history is to look at all the histories (and

her-stories). You might be surprised at just who the terrorists are.

Columbus might pass as one.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060838655/sr=8-1/qid=1154989067/ref=pd_bbs_1/1\

02-5223757-6577744?ie=UTF8

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

If we don't know who the bully is, we need to read true history. Not the

revised terrorist version...real historic events.

[Guest guest]

Wow, no wonder you live in a violent world!

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

1. ALWAYS being on the offensive, ready to pound into the ground, the enemy

that wants to kill you, is EXACTLY the way you keep breathing.

[Guest guest]

calling columbus a terrorist or pirate is a mass understatement

's posts and philosophy are such a total turnoff to me.

Wish tehre was a way for all the militant idiots with their kill or be killed

attitude to go find their own planet to destroy and leave this place to people

with a more creative and humane agenda....

wouldnt it have been better if plymouth rock had landed on the pilgrims?

phil

Philip Gelb

vegetarian chef

shakuhachi player, teacher

http://philipgelb.com

Sea Orca <seaorca@...> wrote: History

is written by the victors and is highly subjective. The only way to

approximate a " true " history is to look at all the histories (and

her-stories). You might be surprised at just who the terrorists are.

Columbus might pass as one.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060838655/sr=8-1/qid=1154989067/ref=pd_bbs_1/1\

02-5223757-6577744?ie=UTF8

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

If we don't know who the bully is, we need to read true history. Not the

revised terrorist version...real historic events.

[Guest guest]

...

I guess it just depends on your source of information and your definition of

what a terrorist is. People are not gods. They are not perfect.

However, when you have a group of people dedicated for thousands of years,

hundreds of years, decades, to the annihilation of another people group, and

they actively and daily pursue this...I think it's pretty self explanatory.

And as I said, that would depend on how reliable your source of information is.

I am not one that believes that just because it is written, it's true.

So you don't think it's good to be on the offensive, ready to strike someone

that wants to kill you, huh? How would you handle that?

Thanks for your input, I value your opinion.

[Guest guest]

And Phil...You think I'm the negative one?

My goodness. I don't wish any harm on you, yet you APPEAR to be wishing harm on

me and others that think the way you THINK I think.

Now which one of us is militant?

[Guest guest]

i am not wishing anyone, especially you, harm.

i am just amused at your posts.

And i am baffled at your kill or be killed attitude. Where does this begin, i

wonder? Obviously, with that attitude it cannot possibly end except for total

destruction of your " enemy " . And looking at the country that i live in (US),

enemies are being conjured up all the time. I was raised to fear and hate

communists and now i am being told to hate and fear terrorists. The people i

fear the most are the ones running my country into the ground who are trying to

tell me that i have to hate and kill people of islamic countries or they will

kill me.

I just spent a few days playing music with a sufi musician from Turkey and an

Arabic musician from Palestine. We were all part of an international faculty of

music teachers at the Lark Music Camp in mendocino. Noone tried to kill anyone

and we all walked away with smiles on our faces. I much prefer living this way

than in fear and having to want to kill or be killed.

Anyways, back to the topic of this list.....i am about to open a crock full of

kraut that has been fermenting for almost 2 months and another crock of saikyo

type white miso. YUMMMMMM

phil

Philip Gelb

vegetarian chef

shakuhachi player, teacher

http://philipgelb.com

~*~~*~ <shelleycornell@...> wrote:

And Phil...You think I'm the negative one?

My goodness. I don't wish any harm on you, yet you APPEAR to be wishing harm

on me and others that think the way you THINK I think.

Now which one of us is militant?

[Guest guest]

I don't have anyone in my life that wants to kill me. For me to be on the

offensive would simply draw that sort of person to me. I can't recall the

last time a person even raised their voice to me, let alone threatened me in

any way.

I'm not certain which group of people you refer to as terrorists, since you

are not being specific. I would observe that the two Bush presidents seem to

have dedicated themselves to destroying Iraq for a couple of decades,

perhaps they qualify?

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

> ...

>

> I guess it just depends on your source of information and your definition

> of what a terrorist is. People are not gods. They are not perfect.

>

> However, when you have a group of people dedicated for thousands of years,

> hundreds of years, decades, to the annihilation of another people group,

> and they actively and daily pursue this...I think it's pretty self

> explanatory.

>

> And as I said, that would depend on how reliable your source of

> information is. I am not one that believes that just because it is

> written, it's true.

>

> So you don't think it's good to be on the offensive, ready to strike

> someone that wants to kill you, huh? How would you handle that?

>

> Thanks for your input, I value your opinion.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, Phil, I think that people are here to work out their their spiritual

progression, whatever that might be. Those people who see war everywhere and

violence peeking out of every bush are here to experience something about

that. I would wish that those who are in favor of war would just quit being

armchar generals and go fight in the wars they favor. Surely they could get

in as mercinaries or something if they are too old for a regular military

unit. Then maybe they would start to understand the futility of it after a

while and cool off. It's one thing to sit and jabber, another to take knife

and gun in hand and start killing people every time there is a war that you

think is justified somehow.

PS Like the plymouth rock joke!

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

>

> If we don't know who the bully is, we need to read true history. Not the

> revised terrorist version...real historic events.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, a music camp in my most favorite place on the Planet!

You don't happen to be a chef at The Ravens, do you? That whole area need

more vegetarian/raw foods restaurants.

Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

>i am not wishing anyone, especially you, harm.

> i am just amused at your posts.

> And i am baffled at your kill or be killed attitude. Where does this

> begin, i wonder? Obviously, with that attitude it cannot possibly end

> except for total destruction of your " enemy " . And looking at the country

> that i live in (US), enemies are being conjured up all the time. I was

> raised to fear and hate communists and now i am being told to hate and

> fear terrorists. The people i fear the most are the ones running my

> country into the ground who are trying to tell me that i have to hate and

> kill people of islamic countries or they will kill me.

>

> I just spent a few days playing music with a sufi musician from Turkey and

> an Arabic musician from Palestine. We were all part of an international

> faculty of music teachers at the Lark Music Camp in mendocino. Noone tried

> to kill anyone and we all walked away with smiles on our faces. I much

> prefer living this way than in fear and having to want to kill or be

> killed.

>

> Anyways, back to the topic of this list.....i am about to open a crock

> full of kraut that has been fermenting for almost 2 months and another

> crock of saikyo type white miso. YUMMMMMM

>

> phil

>

> Philip Gelb

> vegetarian chef

> shakuhachi player, teacher

> http://philipgelb.com

>

> ~*~~*~ <shelleycornell@...> wrote:

> And Phil...You think I'm the negative one?

>

> My goodness. I don't wish any harm on you, yet you APPEAR to be wishing

> harm on me and others that think the way you THINK I think.

>

> Now which one of us is militant?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, let's quit this thread! To go back into on-topic stuff, please start

a fresh post with a meaningful subject line instead of burying it inside

this thread!

Thanks!

Mike

[Guest guest]

As I said, it depends on your definition of terrorist. I would have chosen the

likes of (some no longer with us) Idi Amin, al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden,

Slobodan Milosevic, Hamas, Mao Tse Tung, Hezbollah, Yasar Arafat, Hitler, Al

Fatah, ph Stalin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Benito Mussolini, and so on.

But...you say potatoes, I say pota'toes.

Thanks for your input and have a lovely evening.

[Guest guest]

When planes started crashing into buildings, nobody said, " Oh my gosh,

why would the Amish do this to us? "

We knew who did it, and it turns out we were right. Talk about planet

destroying...wait until they get a nuke. New York will know the day it

happens.

Philip Gelb wrote:

> calling columbus a terrorist or pirate is a mass understatement

>

> 's posts and philosophy are such a total turnoff to me.

> Wish tehre was a way for all the militant idiots with their kill or be

> killed attitude to go find their own planet to destroy and leave this

> place to people with a more creative and humane agenda....

>

> wouldnt it have been better if plymouth rock had landed on the pilgrims?

>

> phil

>

> Philip Gelb

> vegetarian chef

> shakuhachi player, teacher

> http://philipgelb.com <http://philipgelb.com>

>

> Sea Orca <seaorca@... <mailto:seaorca%40comcast.net>> wrote:

> History is written by the victors and is highly subjective. The only

> way to

> approximate a " true " history is to look at all the histories (and

> her-stories). You might be surprised at just who the terrorists are.

> Columbus might pass as one.

>

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060838655/sr=8-1/qid=1154989067/ref=pd_bbs_1/1\

02-5223757-6577744?ie=UTF8

>

<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060838655/sr=8-1/qid=1154989067/ref=pd_bbs_1/\

102-5223757-6577744?ie=UTF8>

>

>

> Re: OT: Compromise was: A Good Pounding

>

> If we don't know who the bully is, we need to read true history. Not the

> revised terrorist version...real historic events.

>

>

>

>

>

>