Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 On 4/17/06, kefir_king <kefir_king@...> wrote: > Spices are so potent as anti cancer, anti oxidents...the idea of the > spice berries was designed by Nature ( oh isnt she soooo clever)...to > fight and kill all the bugs that try and attack the plant... > Preparing indian pickles...known as achar is a great why to keep low > down on cancer...you can have a spoonfull with every meal...recent > scientific studies have shown Spices to be absolute Ace...I consider > them to be at the forefront of keeping a healthy body...they were > supposed to be used to pereserve meat...but I dont buy that, because > the Indians were vegtarians for 1000s of years and meat was only > introduced into their diet in the 15-16th century... .... or could it be because most of the population never goes to a doctor? What percentage of the Indian population is actually undergoing the expensive tests involved, even if they do go to a doctor? And seriously-- meat " introduced into their diet " in the 15th century? Come on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 On 4/17/06, kefir_king <kefir_king@...> wrote: >but I dont buy that, because > the Indians were vegtarians for 1000s of years and meat was only > introduced into their diet in the 15-16th century... This is most definitely absolutely untrue, most obviously the part about the 15th-16th century. Cows have been an integral part of Indian culture for many thousands of years and it's only relatively recently (past one or two thousand years?) that the Hindu portion of the country stopped eating them. Plus, lots of other meats have been eaten in India going back as far as we now and continuing. Don't forget that rats and mice are a common food in some parts of India, where they're obtained in large quantities from rice fields. And of course fish are eaten in large quantities along the coast like anywhere else. Mike SE Pennsylvania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 In pre-Hindu Vedic times, meat was eaten so it is impossible that it was only introduced in the 15th century. " Animal sacrifice, eating of meat, and vegetarianism are all recommended in the Vedas & Puranas depending on occupation and caste. The warrior caste (ksatriya) and kings are instructed to hunt and kill wild animals as practice for fighting, and so they became accustomed to killing for use on the battlefield. People from the labourer (sudra) and merchant (vaisha) castes who wish to eat meat are encouranged to kill 'lower' animals such as pigs and goats and to offer them first in sacrifice to particular demigods such as Kali. For those seeking religious perfection and for the priestly class (Brahmanas) the killing and eating of animals was strictly forbidden, with all food having to be offered to Lord Vishnu before being taken as 'prasadam'. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_religion -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: " kefir_king " <kefir_king@...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Yet you still don't understand the difference between Vedic and Hindu? -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: " kefir_king " <kefir_king@...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Sorry You have your facts wrong...where do you get your information from? -- In nutrition , " Anton " <michaelantonparker@...> wrote: > > On 4/17/06, kefir_king <kefir_king@...> wrote: > >but I dont buy that, because > > the Indians were vegtarians for 1000s of years and meat was only > > introduced into their diet in the 15-16th century... > > This is most definitely absolutely untrue, most obviously the part > about the 15th-16th century. Cows have been an integral part of Indian > culture for many thousands of years and it's only relatively recently > (past one or two thousand years?) that the Hindu portion of the > country stopped eating them. Plus, lots of other meats have been eaten > in India going back as far as we now and continuing. Don't forget > that rats and mice are a common food in some parts of India, where > they're obtained in large quantities from rice fields. And of course > fish are eaten in large quantities along the coast like anywhere else. > > Mike > SE Pennsylvania > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Yes, in pre-vedic times...when the vedas were introduced, the hindu became predominately a vegetarian...the first veda was the rig veda Scriptures Against Killing and Meat-Eating Hindu scripture speaks clearly and forcefully on nonkilling and vegetarianism. In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: " O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome, strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown. " The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: " Do not injure the beings living on the earth, in the air and in the water. " The beautiful Tirukural, a widely-read 2,000-year-old masterpiece of ethics, speaks of conscience: " When a man realizes that meat is the butchered flesh of another creature, he must abstain from eating it. " The Manu Samhita advises: " Having well considered the origin of flesh and the cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain from eating flesh. " In the yoga-infused verses of the Tirumantiram, warning is given of how meat-eating holds the mind in gross, adharmic states: " The ignoble ones who eat flesh, death's agents bind them fast and push them quick into the fiery jaws of hell (Naraka, lower consciousness). " The roots of noninjury, nonkilling and nonconsumption of meat are found in the Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and dozens of other sacred texts of Hinduism. What surprises me about this thread is that someone is trying to re- write history...it is a well known fact that the Moguls brought with them all the main dishes like the Tandori...the Tandori is a special oven made out of clay which is widely used in central asia... The Moguls invaded indian in the 1500's... > > In pre-Hindu Vedic times, meat was eaten so it is impossible that it was only introduced in the 15th century. > > " Animal sacrifice, eating of meat, and vegetarianism are all recommended in the Vedas & Puranas depending on occupation and caste. The warrior caste (ksatriya) and kings are instructed to hunt and kill wild animals as practice for fighting, and so they became accustomed to killing for use on the battlefield. People from the labourer (sudra) and merchant (vaisha) castes who wish to eat meat are encouranged to kill 'lower' animals such as pigs and goats and to offer them first in sacrifice to particular demigods such as Kali. For those seeking religious perfection and for the priestly class (Brahmanas) the killing and eating of animals was strictly forbidden, with all food having to be offered to Lord Vishnu before being taken as 'prasadam'. " > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_religion > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: " kefir_king " <kefir_king@...> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Its really amazing..i dont know why you are arguing...every school kid knows that Hindus are mainly vegetarians... here is the oldest Vedic scripture (1500 BC) The Rig Veda...in black and white... " One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head. " Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90 > > Yet you still don't understand the difference between Vedic and Hindu? > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: " kefir_king " <kefir_king@...> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 As I don't read the Bible to learn about USA, I don't read Hindu scriptures to learn about India. A people is more than its religion. And, by the way, I have some Brahmin friends who don't eat spices, as it is seen as not being good for pure living according to their tradition. And I have Brahmin friends from another part of India, who eat very hot food. India is vast with many customs, really it is more a continent than a country. Please stop this discussion now. Tove Re: Why do indians have a low incidence of cancer > Its really amazing..i dont know why you are arguing...every school > kid knows that Hindus are mainly vegetarians... > here is the oldest Vedic scripture (1500 BC) The Rig Veda...in black > and white... > > " One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another > animal, and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if > such a fiend does not desist by other means, then you should not > hesitate to cut off his head. " > Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90 > > > >> >> Yet you still don't understand the difference between Vedic and > Hindu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 On 4/17/06, kefir_king <kefir_king@...> wrote: <snipped garbage> > What surprises me about this thread is that someone is trying to re- > write history...it is a well known fact that the Moguls brought with > them all the main dishes like the Tandori...the Tandori is a special > oven made out of clay which is widely used in central asia... > > The Moguls invaded indian in the 1500's... No, this is not well-known. If you'd read more than a paragraph or two snipped from random pages pooped out of google then you might know something about the actual history. Hindu is not Vedic, not every nonveg dish in India came from the Moghuls, etc etc etc. There is a complicated historical process involved here that isn't as simple as repeatedly stating the modern conception of Hinduism and some fancies about tandoori chicken. Please, actually study this history before pontificating on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Hinduism is considered post-Vedic, evolving from the Vedic religion & culture. There is a difference between Vedic and Hindu. No one is arguing that the Monguls didn't contribute greatly to Indian cuisine, just your contention tha they brought " meat-eating " , which is clearly not the case. In his Tagore Memorial Lectures, 1964-65, Man in the Universe. Prof Brown states: “Though the Upanishadas contain the first literary reference to the idea of rebirth and to the notion that one’s action- karma determines the conditions of one’s future exitences, and though they arrive at the point of recognising that rebirth may occur not only in animal form but also in animal bodies, they tell us nothing about the precept of ahimsa. Yet that precept is later associated with the belief that a soul in its wandering may inhabit both kinds of forms. Ancient Brahmanical literature is conspicuously silent about ahimsa. The early Vedic texts do not even record the noun ahimsa nor know the ethical meaning which the noun later designated…Nor is an explanation of ahimsa deducible from other parts of Vedic literature. The ethical concept which it embodies was entirely foreign to the thinking of the early Vedic Aryans, who recognized no kinship between human and animal relation, but rather ate meat and offered animals in the sacrifice to the gods.” (pp.53-54) " http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/01052003/01052003101.htm -------------- Original message -------------- From: " kefir_king " <kefir_king@...> Yes, in pre-vedic times...when the vedas were introduced, the hindu became predominately a vegetarian...the first veda was the rig veda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Yes, every school kid whose depth of knowledge about thousands of years of history are as sophisticated as, well, a school kid's. On 4/17/06, kefir_king <kefir_king@...> wrote: > Its really amazing..i dont know why you are arguing...every school > kid knows that Hindus are mainly vegetarians... > here is the oldest Vedic scripture (1500 BC) The Rig Veda...in black > and white... > > " One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another > animal, and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if > such a fiend does not desist by other means, then you should not > hesitate to cut off his head. " > Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90 > > > > > > > Yet you still don't understand the difference between Vedic and > Hindu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 > Preparing indian pickles...known as achar is a great why to keep low > down on cancer...you can have a spoonfull with every meal...recent I love India's lemon pickle. I eat it whenever I hit the local Indian buffet Z Why do indians have a low incidence of cancer > Spices are so potent as anti cancer, anti oxidents...the idea of the > spice berries was designed by Nature ( oh isnt she soooo clever)...to > fight and kill all the bugs that try and attack the plant... > Preparing indian pickles...known as achar is a great why to keep low > down on cancer...you can have a spoonfull with every meal...recent > scientific studies have shown Spices to be absolute Ace...I consider > them to be at the forefront of keeping a healthy body...they were > supposed to be used to pereserve meat...but I dont buy that, because > the Indians were vegtarians for 1000s of years and meat was only > introduced into their diet in the 15-16th century... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 I just made myself 3 jars of fermented lemon and mango spiced pickles...really great...tasty and very healthy.... I even eat them with sushi...plus my home made horseradish, pickled/fermented ginger...fresh horseradish is pungent...it hits you right in the nostrils... zz618@... wrote: > Preparing indian pickles...known as achar is a great why to keep low > down on cancer...you can have a spoonfull with every meal...recent I love India's lemon pickle. I eat it whenever I hit the local Indian buffet Z Why do indians have a low incidence of cancer > Spices are so potent as anti cancer, anti oxidents...the idea of the > spice berries was designed by Nature ( oh isnt she soooo clever)...to > fight and kill all the bugs that try and attack the plant... > Preparing indian pickles...known as achar is a great why to keep low > down on cancer...you can have a spoonfull with every meal...recent > scientific studies have shown Spices to be absolute Ace...I consider > them to be at the forefront of keeping a healthy body...they were > supposed to be used to pereserve meat...but I dont buy that, because > the Indians were vegtarians for 1000s of years and meat was only > introduced into their diet in the 15-16th century... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 >I just made myself 3 jars of fermented lemon and mango spiced pickles Heh -you ain't fooling around. I made some saltless sauerkraut today. I like to juice it when it's ready. Horseradish must be good with sushi because wasabi is a dried Japanese horseradish of some kind. I never make sushi. I'll make sashimi (tuna usually) and eat it with some brown rice on the side. Soy sauce and mustard sauce on the side. I should make pickled ginger. I'm not going to buy it with that fake pink color, though I'll eat it in a restaurant Z Why do indians have a low incidence of cancer > Spices are so potent as anti cancer, anti oxidents...the idea of the > spice berries was designed by Nature ( oh isnt she soooo clever)...to > fight and kill all the bugs that try and attack the plant... > Preparing indian pickles...known as achar is a great why to keep low > down on cancer...you can have a spoonfull with every meal...recent > scientific studies have shown Spices to be absolute Ace...I consider > them to be at the forefront of keeping a healthy body...they were > supposed to be used to pereserve meat...but I dont buy that, because > the Indians were vegtarians for 1000s of years and meat was only > introduced into their diet in the 15-16th century... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Even the so called " green wasabi " in sushi bars is not real wasabi..its horesradish with green color added...sucks... Yeh...ginger is very easy to ferment and pickle...i fermented it in brine for 2 weeks then I pickled it..it turned slightly pink..taste good... How did you do your saltless saurkraut...? zz618@... wrote: >I just made myself 3 jars of fermented lemon and mango spiced pickles Heh -you ain't fooling around. I made some saltless sauerkraut today. I like to juice it when it's ready. Horseradish must be good with sushi because wasabi is a dried Japanese horseradish of some kind. I never make sushi. I'll make sashimi (tuna usually) and eat it with some brown rice on the side. Soy sauce and mustard sauce on the side. I should make pickled ginger. I'm not going to buy it with that fake pink color, though I'll eat it in a restaurant Z Why do indians have a low incidence of cancer > Spices are so potent as anti cancer, anti oxidents...the idea of the > spice berries was designed by Nature ( oh isnt she soooo clever)...to > fight and kill all the bugs that try and attack the plant... > Preparing indian pickles...known as achar is a great why to keep low > down on cancer...you can have a spoonfull with every meal...recent > scientific studies have shown Spices to be absolute Ace...I consider > them to be at the forefront of keeping a healthy body...they were > supposed to be used to pereserve meat...but I dont buy that, because > the Indians were vegtarians for 1000s of years and meat was only > introduced into their diet in the 15-16th century... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Pacific Farms in Oregon has a selection of real wasabi pastes & dressings. They're one of the few places I know of to get the stuff. They used to sell live plants & seeds, but alas no more. http://www.freshwasabi.com/ Re: Why do indians have a low incidence of cancer Even the so called " green wasabi " in sushi bars is not real wasabi..its horesradish with green color added...sucks... Yeh...ginger is very easy to ferment and pickle...i fermented it in brine for 2 weeks then I pickled it..it turned slightly pink..taste good... How did you do your saltless saurkraut...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 yes I know them...they send it frozen packed...my home made horseradish roots burn my nostrils...so I am ok right now...and I have about a kg to go through...:-) > > Pacific Farms in Oregon has a selection of real wasabi pastes & dressings. They're one of the few places I know of to get the stuff. They used to sell live plants & seeds, but alas no more. > > http://www.freshwasabi.com/ > > Re: Why do indians have a low incidence of cancer > > > Even the so called " green wasabi " in sushi bars is not real wasabi..its horesradish with green color added...sucks... > Yeh...ginger is very easy to ferment and pickle...i fermented it in brine for 2 weeks then I pickled it..it turned slightly pink..taste good... > How did you do your saltless saurkraut...? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Wow, and kefir king, What an interesting debate! I haven't been reading messages for a few days, so when I got to kefir king's original post about achar and spices, I just decided to read that whole thread rather than going in chronological order on the posts. (I read messages from the web.) I wanted to see further discussion of the topic as I have a real interest in Indian cuisine and eat it at home more than 50% of the time, since dh is originally from India. I didn't get any more info on the anti-cancer effect of spices, but I did find the debate about meat-eaters in India rather interesting. I have no scholarly knowledge of this, certainly no dates, but I wanted to offer you some first-hand knowledge of something that may help. We have associated with many people in India and from India. What may be the missing link in kefir king's info is that Hindus are not the only large population in India. There is a huge Muslim population and also many large Christian groups. The Christians in India are still Indians, not immigrants, and live and eat in the Indian tradition. Obviously, we know that neither Muslims nor Christians are vegetarians. There are also Buddhists, Ba'hai, and many other cultures and religions as well. Then within the Hindus, there are numerous castes, each with their own cultures. Some of those castes are traditionally vegetarian, and some are not. A little of that was alluded to when one of you brought up Brahmins. It's always been widely perceived that Hinduism equals vegetarianism to outsiders, so when I started meeting friends in USA who ate meat, I asked them about it. I thought maybe they converted after they came here and relaxed their dietary restrictions. But no, they said it depends on what region of India you are raised in, and her caste, loosely translated, was " chicken eaters. " So between the Muslims and the Christians and the non-veg Hindu castes, there really is a lot of non-veg food eaten in India. I have noticed that most Indian restaurants typically serve what we call " Northern Indian " cuisine and perhaps that is the one that originated from the Moghuls, I don't know. But there are soooooo many cuisines in India. As you travel from state to state, the type of cuisine (as well as the language) are completely different. Each state has typical dishes not prepared in other parts of India. So being such a diverse nation, it would be hard to generalize the diet in any way, I'm sure. So, HTH a little in drawing the two sides of the debate a little closer together. If not, well, everyone who read this learned a little more about the people of India...... And we still don't know any more about whether spices and achars help to prevent cancer..... ~ ~ > > > > On 4/17/06, kefir_king <kefir_king@> wrote: > > > Brahmins are strict vegetarians... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 So tell me, Is Mango Atchar healthy? I live in South Africa, there is a HUGE indian population here. I can get some real, authentically made (no benzoate or citric acid or other " acidifier " ) Mango Atchar! Always wanted to, but I'm afraid of the carb content. Also, I have a very sensitive stomach. On 4/18/06, sweet_gentle_soul <angiecafriend@...> wrote: > > Wow, and kefir king, > What an interesting debate! > > I haven't been reading messages for a few days, so when I got to > kefir king's original post about achar and spices, I just decided to > read that whole thread rather than going in chronological order on > the posts. (I read messages from the web.) I wanted to see further > discussion of the topic as I have a real interest in Indian cuisine > and eat it at home more than 50% of the time, since dh is originally > from India. > > I didn't get any more info on the anti-cancer effect of spices, but I > did find the debate about meat-eaters in India rather interesting. I > have no scholarly knowledge of this, certainly no dates, but I wanted > to offer you some first-hand knowledge of something that may help. > > We have associated with many people in India and from India. What > may be the missing link in kefir king's info is that Hindus are not > the only large population in India. There is a huge Muslim > population and also many large Christian groups. The Christians in > India are still Indians, not immigrants, and live and eat in the > Indian tradition. Obviously, we know that neither Muslims nor > Christians are vegetarians. There are also Buddhists, Ba'hai, and > many other cultures and religions as well. > > Then within the Hindus, there are numerous castes, each with their > own cultures. Some of those castes are traditionally vegetarian, and > some are not. A little of that was alluded to when one of you > brought up Brahmins. It's always been widely perceived that Hinduism > equals vegetarianism to outsiders, so when I started meeting friends > in USA who ate meat, I asked them about it. I thought maybe they > converted after they came here and relaxed their dietary > restrictions. But no, they said it depends on what region of India > you are raised in, and her caste, loosely translated, was " chicken > eaters. " > > So between the Muslims and the Christians and the non-veg Hindu > castes, there really is a lot of non-veg food eaten in India. I have > noticed that most Indian restaurants typically serve what we > call " Northern Indian " cuisine and perhaps that is the one that > originated from the Moghuls, I don't know. But there are soooooo > many cuisines in India. As you travel from state to state, the type > of cuisine (as well as the language) are completely different. Each > state has typical dishes not prepared in other parts of India. So > being such a diverse nation, it would be hard to generalize the diet > in any way, I'm sure. > > So, HTH a little in drawing the two sides of the debate a little > closer together. If not, well, everyone who read this learned a > little more about the people of India...... And we still don't know > any more about whether spices and achars help to prevent cancer..... > > ~ ~ > > > > > > > > On 4/17/06, kefir_king <kefir_king@> wrote: > > > > Brahmins are strict vegetarians... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Ooooh. I REALLY want, no NEED to make ginger pickle. Teach me! How do you ferment it in brine? What culture do you add? Wow. I so wanted to know how to do that. On 4/18/06, kefir king <kefir_king@...> wrote: > > Even the so called " green wasabi " in sushi bars is not real wasabi..its > horesradish with green color added...sucks... > Yeh...ginger is very easy to ferment and pickle...i fermented it in > brine for 2 weeks then I pickled it..it turned slightly pink..taste good... > How did you do your saltless saurkraut...? > > > zz618@... wrote: > >I just made myself 3 jars of fermented lemon and mango spiced pickles > > Heh -you ain't fooling around. > > I made some saltless sauerkraut today. I like to juice it when it's ready. > > Horseradish must be good with sushi because wasabi is a dried Japanese > horseradish of some kind. I never make sushi. I'll make sashimi (tuna > usually) and eat it with some brown rice on the side. Soy sauce and > mustard > sauce on the side. I should make pickled ginger. I'm not going to buy it > with that fake pink color, though I'll eat it in a restaurant > > > > Z > > > Why do indians have a low incidence of cancer > > > > Spices are so potent as anti cancer, anti oxidents...the idea of the > > spice berries was designed by Nature ( oh isnt she soooo clever)...to > > fight and kill all the bugs that try and attack the plant... > > Preparing indian pickles...known as achar is a great why to keep low > > down on cancer...you can have a spoonfull with every meal...recent > > scientific studies have shown Spices to be absolute Ace...I consider > > them to be at the forefront of keeping a healthy body...they were > > supposed to be used to pereserve meat...but I dont buy that, because > > the Indians were vegtarians for 1000s of years and meat was only > > introduced into their diet in the 15-16th century... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Yes...spices are a phenomenal source of anti-oxidents, anti bacterial , anti-fungal...the most famous is Tumeric, which has been used in extensive studies relating to cancer. http://www.mercola.com/2005/jul/30/cancer_spices.htm There are other spices which also have similar properties, cumin, chillie...I personally think that a pinch of spice a day is a great way to boost the imune system... But I will dig up more reesearch on spices if you are interested...As I said the spice berries are there to protect the plants from insects and other bacterial infection diseases in a hostile environment...so I think they can play a similar role inside the body... As far as the Hindus discusion, that was not really the main reason for my post...Indians of all persuaions eat a huge amount of spices...India exports nearly 40% of the world spice production...I really do believe that it is a major contributing factor to their health...it is such a potent internal cleanser.. The Northern Indian cusine you refer to in restraunts is Mogul inspired food... sweet_gentle_soul <angiecafriend@...> wrote: Wow, and kefir king, What an interesting debate! I haven't been reading messages for a few days, so when I got to kefir king's original post about achar and spices, I just decided to read that whole thread rather than going in chronological order on the posts. (I read messages from the web.) I wanted to see further discussion of the topic as I have a real interest in Indian cuisine and eat it at home more than 50% of the time, since dh is originally from India. I didn't get any more info on the anti-cancer effect of spices, but I did find the debate about meat-eaters in India rather interesting. I have no scholarly knowledge of this, certainly no dates, but I wanted to offer you some first-hand knowledge of something that may help. We have associated with many people in India and from India. What may be the missing link in kefir king's info is that Hindus are not the only large population in India. There is a huge Muslim population and also many large Christian groups. The Christians in India are still Indians, not immigrants, and live and eat in the Indian tradition. Obviously, we know that neither Muslims nor Christians are vegetarians. There are also Buddhists, Ba'hai, and many other cultures and religions as well. Then within the Hindus, there are numerous castes, each with their own cultures. Some of those castes are traditionally vegetarian, and some are not. A little of that was alluded to when one of you brought up Brahmins. It's always been widely perceived that Hinduism equals vegetarianism to outsiders, so when I started meeting friends in USA who ate meat, I asked them about it. I thought maybe they converted after they came here and relaxed their dietary restrictions. But no, they said it depends on what region of India you are raised in, and her caste, loosely translated, was " chicken eaters. " So between the Muslims and the Christians and the non-veg Hindu castes, there really is a lot of non-veg food eaten in India. I have noticed that most Indian restaurants typically serve what we call " Northern Indian " cuisine and perhaps that is the one that originated from the Moghuls, I don't know. But there are soooooo many cuisines in India. As you travel from state to state, the type of cuisine (as well as the language) are completely different. Each state has typical dishes not prepared in other parts of India. So being such a diverse nation, it would be hard to generalize the diet in any way, I'm sure. So, HTH a little in drawing the two sides of the debate a little closer together. If not, well, everyone who read this learned a little more about the people of India...... And we still don't know any more about whether spices and achars help to prevent cancer..... ~ ~ > > > > On 4/17/06, kefir_king <kefir_king@> wrote: > > > Brahmins are strict vegetarians... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Yes...spices are a phenomenal source of anti-oxidents, anti bacterial , anti-fungal...the most famous is Tumeric, which has been used in extensive studies relating to cancer. http://www.mercola.com/2005/jul/30/cancer_spices.htm There are other spices which also have similar properties, cumin, chillie...I personally think that a pinch of spice a day is a great way to boost the imune system... But I will dig up more reesearch on spices if you are interested...As I said the spice berries are there to protect the plants from insects and other bacterial infection diseases in a hostile environment...so I think they can play a similar role inside the body... As far as the Hindus discusion, that was not really the main reason for my post...Indians of all persuaions eat a huge amount of spices...India exports nearly 40% of the world spice production...I really do believe that it is a major contributing factor to their health...it is such a potent internal cleanser.. The Northern Indian cusine you refer to in restraunts is Mogul inspired food... sweet_gentle_soul <angiecafriend@...> wrote: Wow, and kefir king, What an interesting debate! I haven't been reading messages for a few days, so when I got to kefir king's original post about achar and spices, I just decided to read that whole thread rather than going in chronological order on the posts. (I read messages from the web.) I wanted to see further discussion of the topic as I have a real interest in Indian cuisine and eat it at home more than 50% of the time, since dh is originally from India. I didn't get any more info on the anti-cancer effect of spices, but I did find the debate about meat-eaters in India rather interesting. I have no scholarly knowledge of this, certainly no dates, but I wanted to offer you some first-hand knowledge of something that may help. We have associated with many people in India and from India. What may be the missing link in kefir king's info is that Hindus are not the only large population in India. There is a huge Muslim population and also many large Christian groups. The Christians in India are still Indians, not immigrants, and live and eat in the Indian tradition. Obviously, we know that neither Muslims nor Christians are vegetarians. There are also Buddhists, Ba'hai, and many other cultures and religions as well. Then within the Hindus, there are numerous castes, each with their own cultures. Some of those castes are traditionally vegetarian, and some are not. A little of that was alluded to when one of you brought up Brahmins. It's always been widely perceived that Hinduism equals vegetarianism to outsiders, so when I started meeting friends in USA who ate meat, I asked them about it. I thought maybe they converted after they came here and relaxed their dietary restrictions. But no, they said it depends on what region of India you are raised in, and her caste, loosely translated, was " chicken eaters. " So between the Muslims and the Christians and the non-veg Hindu castes, there really is a lot of non-veg food eaten in India. I have noticed that most Indian restaurants typically serve what we call " Northern Indian " cuisine and perhaps that is the one that originated from the Moghuls, I don't know. But there are soooooo many cuisines in India. As you travel from state to state, the type of cuisine (as well as the language) are completely different. Each state has typical dishes not prepared in other parts of India. So being such a diverse nation, it would be hard to generalize the diet in any way, I'm sure. So, HTH a little in drawing the two sides of the debate a little closer together. If not, well, everyone who read this learned a little more about the people of India...... And we still don't know any more about whether spices and achars help to prevent cancer..... ~ ~ > > > > On 4/17/06, kefir_king <kefir_king@> wrote: > > > Brahmins are strict vegetarians... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Yes it is very good for you..just eat it in small amounts with food..it helps your digestion and the spices clear your gut out of bad pathogens Dirk Coetsee <dirk.coetsee@...> wrote: So tell me, Is Mango Atchar healthy? I live in South Africa, there is a HUGE indian population here. I can get some real, authentically made (no benzoate or citric acid or other " acidifier " ) Mango Atchar! Always wanted to, but I'm afraid of the carb content. Also, I have a very sensitive stomach. On 4/18/06, sweet_gentle_soul <angiecafriend@...> wrote: > > Wow, and kefir king, > What an interesting debate! > > I haven't been reading messages for a few days, so when I got to > kefir king's original post about achar and spices, I just decided to > read that whole thread rather than going in chronological order on > the posts. (I read messages from the web.) I wanted to see further > discussion of the topic as I have a real interest in Indian cuisine > and eat it at home more than 50% of the time, since dh is originally > from India. > > I didn't get any more info on the anti-cancer effect of spices, but I > did find the debate about meat-eaters in India rather interesting. I > have no scholarly knowledge of this, certainly no dates, but I wanted > to offer you some first-hand knowledge of something that may help. > > We have associated with many people in India and from India. What > may be the missing link in kefir king's info is that Hindus are not > the only large population in India. There is a huge Muslim > population and also many large Christian groups. The Christians in > India are still Indians, not immigrants, and live and eat in the > Indian tradition. Obviously, we know that neither Muslims nor > Christians are vegetarians. There are also Buddhists, Ba'hai, and > many other cultures and religions as well. > > Then within the Hindus, there are numerous castes, each with their > own cultures. Some of those castes are traditionally vegetarian, and > some are not. A little of that was alluded to when one of you > brought up Brahmins. It's always been widely perceived that Hinduism > equals vegetarianism to outsiders, so when I started meeting friends > in USA who ate meat, I asked them about it. I thought maybe they > converted after they came here and relaxed their dietary > restrictions. But no, they said it depends on what region of India > you are raised in, and her caste, loosely translated, was " chicken > eaters. " > > So between the Muslims and the Christians and the non-veg Hindu > castes, there really is a lot of non-veg food eaten in India. I have > noticed that most Indian restaurants typically serve what we > call " Northern Indian " cuisine and perhaps that is the one that > originated from the Moghuls, I don't know. But there are soooooo > many cuisines in India. As you travel from state to state, the type > of cuisine (as well as the language) are completely different. Each > state has typical dishes not prepared in other parts of India. So > being such a diverse nation, it would be hard to generalize the diet > in any way, I'm sure. > > So, HTH a little in drawing the two sides of the debate a little > closer together. If not, well, everyone who read this learned a > little more about the people of India...... And we still don't know > any more about whether spices and achars help to prevent cancer..... > > ~ ~ > > > > > > > > On 4/17/06, kefir_king <kefir_king@> wrote: > > > > Brahmins are strict vegetarians... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Unfortunately eating lots of spice does not equate to good health. I have lots of indian friends. Two of them are twins. There mother uses a lot of spices - ESPECIALLY chilli, as all indians. The one developed terrible bowel complaints, the other had chronic acne and eventually developed an inflamed liver from antibiotic treatment. He is better now after using SAFI and doing a liver flush. Not 100% better though. Man, I love spicey food. But if I have too much, it really hurts me. You are right though that turmeric, incidentally, is really an amazing spice. Health shops purify its extract and sell it, but the yellow powder sure is cheap! Has all kinds of beneficial properties apparently. Also, the " pungent " herbs: cinnamon, cloves, nutmeg, ginger etc. are supposed to be great for digestion and stuff (like chai tea...) On 4/18/06, kefir king <kefir_king@...> wrote: > > Yes...spices are a phenomenal source of anti-oxidents, anti bacterial , > anti-fungal...the most famous is Tumeric, which has been used in extensive > studies relating to cancer. > > http://www.mercola.com/2005/jul/30/cancer_spices.htm > > There are other spices which also have similar properties, cumin, > chillie...I personally think that a pinch of spice a day is a great way to > boost the imune system... > But I will dig up more reesearch on spices if you are interested...As I > said the spice berries are there to protect the plants from insects and > other bacterial infection diseases in a hostile environment...so I think > they can play a similar role inside the body... > > As far as the Hindus discusion, that was not really the main reason for > my post...Indians of all persuaions eat a huge amount of spices...India > exports nearly 40% of the world spice production...I really do believe that > it is a major contributing factor to their health...it is such a potent > internal cleanser.. > > The Northern Indian cusine you refer to in restraunts is Mogul inspired > food... > > > sweet_gentle_soul <angiecafriend@...> wrote: > Wow, and kefir king, > What an interesting debate! > > I haven't been reading messages for a few days, so when I got to > kefir king's original post about achar and spices, I just decided to > read that whole thread rather than going in chronological order on > the posts. (I read messages from the web.) I wanted to see further > discussion of the topic as I have a real interest in Indian cuisine > and eat it at home more than 50% of the time, since dh is originally > from India. > > I didn't get any more info on the anti-cancer effect of spices, but I > did find the debate about meat-eaters in India rather interesting. I > have no scholarly knowledge of this, certainly no dates, but I wanted > to offer you some first-hand knowledge of something that may help. > > We have associated with many people in India and from India. What > may be the missing link in kefir king's info is that Hindus are not > the only large population in India. There is a huge Muslim > population and also many large Christian groups. The Christians in > India are still Indians, not immigrants, and live and eat in the > Indian tradition. Obviously, we know that neither Muslims nor > Christians are vegetarians. There are also Buddhists, Ba'hai, and > many other cultures and religions as well. > > Then within the Hindus, there are numerous castes, each with their > own cultures. Some of those castes are traditionally vegetarian, and > some are not. A little of that was alluded to when one of you > brought up Brahmins. It's always been widely perceived that Hinduism > equals vegetarianism to outsiders, so when I started meeting friends > in USA who ate meat, I asked them about it. I thought maybe they > converted after they came here and relaxed their dietary > restrictions. But no, they said it depends on what region of India > you are raised in, and her caste, loosely translated, was " chicken > eaters. " > > So between the Muslims and the Christians and the non-veg Hindu > castes, there really is a lot of non-veg food eaten in India. I have > noticed that most Indian restaurants typically serve what we > call " Northern Indian " cuisine and perhaps that is the one that > originated from the Moghuls, I don't know. But there are soooooo > many cuisines in India. As you travel from state to state, the type > of cuisine (as well as the language) are completely different. Each > state has typical dishes not prepared in other parts of India. So > being such a diverse nation, it would be hard to generalize the diet > in any way, I'm sure. > > So, HTH a little in drawing the two sides of the debate a little > closer together. If not, well, everyone who read this learned a > little more about the people of India...... And we still don't know > any more about whether spices and achars help to prevent cancer..... > > ~ ~ > > > > > > > On 4/17/06, kefir_king <kefir_king@> wrote: > > > > Brahmins are strict vegetarians... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 It is very easy..you just put the ginger chunks in brine solution for 2 weeks...you will see the bubbling..make sure the top of the glass jar is covered with a water bag...see my photos.. After 2 weeks..you take the ginger out, and discard half to 3/4 the brine solution...add a mixture of rice vineger and small amount of sugar to top up and leave standing for 1 week...you will see it turing pinkish color... Dirk Coetsee <dirk.coetsee@...> wrote: Ooooh. I REALLY want, no NEED to make ginger pickle. Teach me! How do you ferment it in brine? What culture do you add? Wow. I so wanted to know how to do that. On 4/18/06, kefir king <kefir_king@...> wrote: > > Even the so called " green wasabi " in sushi bars is not real wasabi..its > horesradish with green color added...sucks... > Yeh...ginger is very easy to ferment and pickle...i fermented it in > brine for 2 weeks then I pickled it..it turned slightly pink..taste good... > How did you do your saltless saurkraut...? > > > zz618@... wrote: > >I just made myself 3 jars of fermented lemon and mango spiced pickles > > Heh -you ain't fooling around. > > I made some saltless sauerkraut today. I like to juice it when it's ready. > > Horseradish must be good with sushi because wasabi is a dried Japanese > horseradish of some kind. I never make sushi. I'll make sashimi (tuna > usually) and eat it with some brown rice on the side. Soy sauce and > mustard > sauce on the side. I should make pickled ginger. I'm not going to buy it > with that fake pink color, though I'll eat it in a restaurant > > > > Z > > > Why do indians have a low incidence of cancer > > > > Spices are so potent as anti cancer, anti oxidents...the idea of the > > spice berries was designed by Nature ( oh isnt she soooo clever)...to > > fight and kill all the bugs that try and attack the plant... > > Preparing indian pickles...known as achar is a great why to keep low > > down on cancer...you can have a spoonfull with every meal...recent > > scientific studies have shown Spices to be absolute Ace...I consider > > them to be at the forefront of keeping a healthy body...they were > > supposed to be used to pereserve meat...but I dont buy that, because > > the Indians were vegtarians for 1000s of years and meat was only > > introduced into their diet in the 15-16th century... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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