Re: Cymbalta and pain

June 24, 2007

I am sorry if I somehow offended you - I did not mean anything like

that - and I think in this Group - one of the few - we can express

ourselves.

If you took my posts as sounding harsh - I was only trying to tell

people what I learned and actually know and have experienced.

Apparently I have somewhere somehow put my foot in my mouth -

Anything is possible - and whatever you chose to believe is ok - and if

you like your Doctor and believe he is right - I was NOT saying you

should not trust him -

I have seen so many Mistakes and Interactions - even from good Doctors

- I was only trying to tell you to not blame it on something that

sounds so farfetched.

I did NOT mean to tell you what you should believe - and I know you

have pain - I did not try to belittle anything you said -

If you hurt you back - yes - eventually if will or can affect your legs

- I am sorry if I did not know or have forgotten your back injury.

I have a back injury and there are days I can't even walk. I used to

walk for miles at one time - but I also know that these walks are not

what is hurting my legs so bad now - my back and legs are both

extremely painful.

If you misunderstood something I said - I'll gladly apologize.

I only meant to help - since you seemed to be somewhat hesitant about

what was hurting your legs and what to take.

I won't intrude again - since I do not know about all your injuries - I

guess I spoke out of turn.

Megwin

On Jun 24, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Barbara wrote:

> The internet is never the best place to express yourself, at least it

> hasn't proven so to me.

> I was trying to say after years of exercising, it is very possible

> that I hurt my back, which in turn caused the leg pain.

> I've had mris on my back, I have ddd, some spinal stenosis,

> multi-level bulging disks, arthritis...I was saying the exercising

> could be part of the reason for the pain. All I know is that in July

> 2005, I woke up with a bad lower back pain, I had been I think

> exercising on my stationary bike the day before, but I had a routine

> of exercise every day of the week plus moved cross country, so this,

> and aging sounds like it could be the cause of pain in both of my

> legs.

>

> I tried Lyrica, I would never take that again, I wrote about that, I

> thought on here. It made me feel like I was drunk the next day and

> walking on a slant, very scary.

> The cymbalta sounds scary too.

>

> I am not a depressed person. It was prescribed more for pain but like

> I believe I said, I do get down over real life issues, which are many

> at the moment.

>

> Well, good luck to you and I hope I made myself more understandable

> and if not, I guess that's ok too, I tried.

>

> Megwin <Ravenfeather@...> wrote:

> I never heard of losing Seratonin and/or Norepinephrine from

> exercising

> in all my years of working in the medical field - you can lose

> Potassium of you do not take enough liquids - and the actual Athletes

> do not produce all the hormones they should - they stop menstruating

> because they train and train and train -

>

> Exercise is supposed to increase your endorphins which help pain - and

> I doubt that your leg pain are caused from exercising - never heard of

> that either. It is not good if you go from strenous exercise to

> nothing

> all of a sudden - but it would not cause the symptoms you describe. I

> guess you have been checked for other causes (I hope). Arteries can

> get

> clogged sometimes and cause pain - there are many, many causes for leg

> pain. If he suggested Cymbalta for leg pain - I don't know - you would

> be better of with Neurontin or even Lyrica. My Insurance still does

> not

> carry Lyrica - they tell me that this medication has not been tested

> long enough. I wouldn't know.

>

> I suffer from Depression - have my whole life - and now with the pain

> it's worse at times - and I took Cymbalta and it did not help my

> depression or my pain.

>

> But you saw the " good " posts - and it won't hurt you to try it - I

> think you would notice the funny side effects within days - I was

> ready

> to be committed to the Sanitarium - lol -within 5 days or so.

>

> I honestly believe since Cymbalta and Lyrica are fairly new on the

> Market they are pushed by the Companies - and considered a cure-all -

> sort of like when Prozac came along. I have no doubt that they do help

> some people - I wasn't one of them.

>

> Megwin

> On Jun 24, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Barbara wrote:

>

> > Totally scary stuff I'm reading, with a few good reports in between.

> > I really don't want another pill in me and I really don't want

> > something messing with my brain.

> > I have pain and legitimate reasons to feel down at times.

> > This NP was saying something about me not exercising(I was into it

> > for almost 30 yrs and that's what probably has caused me my leg

> pains

> > now) she said I was lacking the Serotonin & Norepinephrine I got

> from

> > exercising. It sort of made sense but besides real reasons to get

> down

> > and my hormones, I don't feel really depressed. I get upset that I

> > can't do what I used to and want my old life back and want my son

> far

> > away from Iraq and want my husband to stop having daily panic

> attacks

> > and would like to see one of us working and money coming in BUT

> > believe it or not I'm not real depressed about it.

> >

> > I thought it sounded good if it helped with my pain and lifted my

> > spirits, but now, I'm not so sure.

> >

> > Barbara

> >

>

June 24, 2007

I am sorry if I somehow offended you - I did not mean anything like

that - and I think in this Group - one of the few - we can express

ourselves.

If you took my posts as sounding harsh - I was only trying to tell

people what I learned and actually know and have experienced.

Apparently I have somewhere somehow put my foot in my mouth -

Anything is possible - and whatever you chose to believe is ok - and if

you like your Doctor and believe he is right - I was NOT saying you

should not trust him -

I have seen so many Mistakes and Interactions - even from good Doctors

- I was only trying to tell you to not blame it on something that

sounds so farfetched.

I did NOT mean to tell you what you should believe - and I know you

have pain - I did not try to belittle anything you said -

If you hurt you back - yes - eventually if will or can affect your legs

- I am sorry if I did not know or have forgotten your back injury.

I have a back injury and there are days I can't even walk. I used to

walk for miles at one time - but I also know that these walks are not

what is hurting my legs so bad now - my back and legs are both

extremely painful.

If you misunderstood something I said - I'll gladly apologize.

I only meant to help - since you seemed to be somewhat hesitant about

what was hurting your legs and what to take.

I won't intrude again - since I do not know about all your injuries - I

guess I spoke out of turn.

Megwin

On Jun 24, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Barbara wrote:

> The internet is never the best place to express yourself, at least it

> hasn't proven so to me.

> I was trying to say after years of exercising, it is very possible

> that I hurt my back, which in turn caused the leg pain.

> I've had mris on my back, I have ddd, some spinal stenosis,

> multi-level bulging disks, arthritis...I was saying the exercising

> could be part of the reason for the pain. All I know is that in July

> 2005, I woke up with a bad lower back pain, I had been I think

> exercising on my stationary bike the day before, but I had a routine

> of exercise every day of the week plus moved cross country, so this,

> and aging sounds like it could be the cause of pain in both of my

> legs.

>

> I tried Lyrica, I would never take that again, I wrote about that, I

> thought on here. It made me feel like I was drunk the next day and

> walking on a slant, very scary.

> The cymbalta sounds scary too.

>

> I am not a depressed person. It was prescribed more for pain but like

> I believe I said, I do get down over real life issues, which are many

> at the moment.

>

> Well, good luck to you and I hope I made myself more understandable

> and if not, I guess that's ok too, I tried.

>

> Megwin <Ravenfeather@...> wrote:

> I never heard of losing Seratonin and/or Norepinephrine from

> exercising

> in all my years of working in the medical field - you can lose

> Potassium of you do not take enough liquids - and the actual Athletes

> do not produce all the hormones they should - they stop menstruating

> because they train and train and train -

>

> Exercise is supposed to increase your endorphins which help pain - and

> I doubt that your leg pain are caused from exercising - never heard of

> that either. It is not good if you go from strenous exercise to

> nothing

> all of a sudden - but it would not cause the symptoms you describe. I

> guess you have been checked for other causes (I hope). Arteries can

> get

> clogged sometimes and cause pain - there are many, many causes for leg

> pain. If he suggested Cymbalta for leg pain - I don't know - you would

> be better of with Neurontin or even Lyrica. My Insurance still does

> not

> carry Lyrica - they tell me that this medication has not been tested

> long enough. I wouldn't know.

>

> I suffer from Depression - have my whole life - and now with the pain

> it's worse at times - and I took Cymbalta and it did not help my

> depression or my pain.

>

> But you saw the " good " posts - and it won't hurt you to try it - I

> think you would notice the funny side effects within days - I was

> ready

> to be committed to the Sanitarium - lol -within 5 days or so.

>

> I honestly believe since Cymbalta and Lyrica are fairly new on the

> Market they are pushed by the Companies - and considered a cure-all -

> sort of like when Prozac came along. I have no doubt that they do help

> some people - I wasn't one of them.

>

> Megwin

> On Jun 24, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Barbara wrote:

>

> > Totally scary stuff I'm reading, with a few good reports in between.

> > I really don't want another pill in me and I really don't want

> > something messing with my brain.

> > I have pain and legitimate reasons to feel down at times.

> > This NP was saying something about me not exercising(I was into it

> > for almost 30 yrs and that's what probably has caused me my leg

> pains

> > now) she said I was lacking the Serotonin & Norepinephrine I got

> from

> > exercising. It sort of made sense but besides real reasons to get

> down

> > and my hormones, I don't feel really depressed. I get upset that I

> > can't do what I used to and want my old life back and want my son

> far

> > away from Iraq and want my husband to stop having daily panic

> attacks

> > and would like to see one of us working and money coming in BUT

> > believe it or not I'm not real depressed about it.

> >

> > I thought it sounded good if it helped with my pain and lifted my

> > spirits, but now, I'm not so sure.

> >

> > Barbara

> >

>

June 24, 2007

Hello,

I don't know if the exercise is what affected your back, but I know I

was never a big exercise person. I was active, but not into exercise, and

one day just woke up in pain. That eventually went away, but when I was

in an auto accident and got twisted (because of the seat belt) my troubles

began again. I've never been the same and I just keep getting worse. My

leg pains other than the sciatica is something new, and I don't even know

what it is yet. I just had a new MRI done yesterday, so I hope I'll know

more

this week.

Roni

On 6/24/07, Megwin <Ravenfeather@...> wrote:

>

> I am sorry if I somehow offended you - I did not mean anything like

> that - and I think in this Group - one of the few - we can express

> ourselves.

>

> If you took my posts as sounding harsh - I was only trying to tell

> people what I learned and actually know and have experienced.

>

> Apparently I have somewhere somehow put my foot in my mouth -

>

> Anything is possible - and whatever you chose to believe is ok - and if

> you like your Doctor and believe he is right - I was NOT saying you

> should not trust him -

>

> I have seen so many Mistakes and Interactions - even from good Doctors

> - I was only trying to tell you to not blame it on something that

> sounds so farfetched.

>

> I did NOT mean to tell you what you should believe - and I know you

> have pain - I did not try to belittle anything you said -

>

> If you hurt you back - yes - eventually if will or can affect your legs

> - I am sorry if I did not know or have forgotten your back injury.

>

> I have a back injury and there are days I can't even walk. I used to

> walk for miles at one time - but I also know that these walks are not

> what is hurting my legs so bad now - my back and legs are both

> extremely painful.

>

> If you misunderstood something I said - I'll gladly apologize.

> I only meant to help - since you seemed to be somewhat hesitant about

> what was hurting your legs and what to take.

>

> I won't intrude again - since I do not know about all your injuries - I

> guess I spoke out of turn.

>

> Megwin

> On Jun 24, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Barbara wrote:

>

> > The internet is never the best place to express yourself, at least it

> > hasn't proven so to me.

> > I was trying to say after years of exercising, it is very possible

> > that I hurt my back, which in turn caused the leg pain.

> > I've had mris on my back, I have ddd, some spinal stenosis,

> > multi-level bulging disks, arthritis...I was saying the exercising

> > could be part of the reason for the pain. All I know is that in July

> > 2005, I woke up with a bad lower back pain, I had been I think

> > exercising on my stationary bike the day before, but I had a routine

> > of exercise every day of the week plus moved cross country, so this,

> > and aging sounds like it could be the cause of pain in both of my

> > legs.

> >

> > I tried Lyrica, I would never take that again, I wrote about that, I

> > thought on here. It made me feel like I was drunk the next day and

> > walking on a slant, very scary.

> > The cymbalta sounds scary too.

> >

> > I am not a depressed person. It was prescribed more for pain but like

> > I believe I said, I do get down over real life issues, which are many

> > at the moment.

> >

> > Well, good luck to you and I hope I made myself more understandable

> > and if not, I guess that's ok too, I tried.

> >

> > Megwin <Ravenfeather@... <Ravenfeather%40Copper.net>> wrote:

> > I never heard of losing Seratonin and/or Norepinephrine from

> > exercising

> > in all my years of working in the medical field - you can lose

> > Potassium of you do not take enough liquids - and the actual Athletes

> > do not produce all the hormones they should - they stop menstruating

> > because they train and train and train -

> >

> > Exercise is supposed to increase your endorphins which help pain - and

> > I doubt that your leg pain are caused from exercising - never heard of

> > that either. It is not good if you go from strenous exercise to

> > nothing

> > all of a sudden - but it would not cause the symptoms you describe. I

> > guess you have been checked for other causes (I hope). Arteries can

> > get

> > clogged sometimes and cause pain - there are many, many causes for leg

> > pain. If he suggested Cymbalta for leg pain - I don't know - you would

> > be better of with Neurontin or even Lyrica. My Insurance still does

> > not

> > carry Lyrica - they tell me that this medication has not been tested

> > long enough. I wouldn't know.

> >

> > I suffer from Depression - have my whole life - and now with the pain

> > it's worse at times - and I took Cymbalta and it did not help my

> > depression or my pain.

> >

> > But you saw the " good " posts - and it won't hurt you to try it - I

> > think you would notice the funny side effects within days - I was

> > ready

> > to be committed to the Sanitarium - lol -within 5 days or so.

> >

> > I honestly believe since Cymbalta and Lyrica are fairly new on the

> > Market they are pushed by the Companies - and considered a cure-all -

> > sort of like when Prozac came along. I have no doubt that they do help

> > some people - I wasn't one of them.

> >

> > Megwin

> > On Jun 24, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Barbara wrote:

> >

> > > Totally scary stuff I'm reading, with a few good reports in between.

> > > I really don't want another pill in me and I really don't want

> > > something messing with my brain.

> > > I have pain and legitimate reasons to feel down at times.

> > > This NP was saying something about me not exercising(I was into it

> > > for almost 30 yrs and that's what probably has caused me my leg

> > pains

> > > now) she said I was lacking the Serotonin & Norepinephrine I got

> > from

> > > exercising. It sort of made sense but besides real reasons to get

> > down

> > > and my hormones, I don't feel really depressed. I get upset that I

> > > can't do what I used to and want my old life back and want my son

> > far

> > > away from Iraq and want my husband to stop having daily panic

> > attacks

> > > and would like to see one of us working and money coming in BUT

> > > believe it or not I'm not real depressed about it.

> > >

> > > I thought it sounded good if it helped with my pain and lifted my

> > > spirits, but now, I'm not so sure.

> > >

> > > Barbara

> > >

> >

June 24, 2007

Hello,

I don't know if the exercise is what affected your back, but I know I

was never a big exercise person. I was active, but not into exercise, and

one day just woke up in pain. That eventually went away, but when I was

in an auto accident and got twisted (because of the seat belt) my troubles

began again. I've never been the same and I just keep getting worse. My

leg pains other than the sciatica is something new, and I don't even know

what it is yet. I just had a new MRI done yesterday, so I hope I'll know

more

this week.

Roni

On 6/24/07, Megwin <Ravenfeather@...> wrote:

>

> I am sorry if I somehow offended you - I did not mean anything like

> that - and I think in this Group - one of the few - we can express

> ourselves.

>

> If you took my posts as sounding harsh - I was only trying to tell

> people what I learned and actually know and have experienced.

>

> Apparently I have somewhere somehow put my foot in my mouth -

>

> Anything is possible - and whatever you chose to believe is ok - and if

> you like your Doctor and believe he is right - I was NOT saying you

> should not trust him -

>

> I have seen so many Mistakes and Interactions - even from good Doctors

> - I was only trying to tell you to not blame it on something that

> sounds so farfetched.

>

> I did NOT mean to tell you what you should believe - and I know you

> have pain - I did not try to belittle anything you said -

>

> If you hurt you back - yes - eventually if will or can affect your legs

> - I am sorry if I did not know or have forgotten your back injury.

>

> I have a back injury and there are days I can't even walk. I used to

> walk for miles at one time - but I also know that these walks are not

> what is hurting my legs so bad now - my back and legs are both

> extremely painful.

>

> If you misunderstood something I said - I'll gladly apologize.

> I only meant to help - since you seemed to be somewhat hesitant about

> what was hurting your legs and what to take.

>

> I won't intrude again - since I do not know about all your injuries - I

> guess I spoke out of turn.

>

> Megwin

> On Jun 24, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Barbara wrote:

>

> > The internet is never the best place to express yourself, at least it

> > hasn't proven so to me.

> > I was trying to say after years of exercising, it is very possible

> > that I hurt my back, which in turn caused the leg pain.

> > I've had mris on my back, I have ddd, some spinal stenosis,

> > multi-level bulging disks, arthritis...I was saying the exercising

> > could be part of the reason for the pain. All I know is that in July

> > 2005, I woke up with a bad lower back pain, I had been I think

> > exercising on my stationary bike the day before, but I had a routine

> > of exercise every day of the week plus moved cross country, so this,

> > and aging sounds like it could be the cause of pain in both of my

> > legs.

> >

> > I tried Lyrica, I would never take that again, I wrote about that, I

> > thought on here. It made me feel like I was drunk the next day and

> > walking on a slant, very scary.

> > The cymbalta sounds scary too.

> >

> > I am not a depressed person. It was prescribed more for pain but like

> > I believe I said, I do get down over real life issues, which are many

> > at the moment.

> >

> > Well, good luck to you and I hope I made myself more understandable

> > and if not, I guess that's ok too, I tried.

> >

> > Megwin <Ravenfeather@... <Ravenfeather%40Copper.net>> wrote:

> > I never heard of losing Seratonin and/or Norepinephrine from

> > exercising

> > in all my years of working in the medical field - you can lose

> > Potassium of you do not take enough liquids - and the actual Athletes

> > do not produce all the hormones they should - they stop menstruating

> > because they train and train and train -

> >

> > Exercise is supposed to increase your endorphins which help pain - and

> > I doubt that your leg pain are caused from exercising - never heard of

> > that either. It is not good if you go from strenous exercise to

> > nothing

> > all of a sudden - but it would not cause the symptoms you describe. I

> > guess you have been checked for other causes (I hope). Arteries can

> > get

> > clogged sometimes and cause pain - there are many, many causes for leg

> > pain. If he suggested Cymbalta for leg pain - I don't know - you would

> > be better of with Neurontin or even Lyrica. My Insurance still does

> > not

> > carry Lyrica - they tell me that this medication has not been tested

> > long enough. I wouldn't know.

> >

> > I suffer from Depression - have my whole life - and now with the pain

> > it's worse at times - and I took Cymbalta and it did not help my

> > depression or my pain.

> >

> > But you saw the " good " posts - and it won't hurt you to try it - I

> > think you would notice the funny side effects within days - I was

> > ready

> > to be committed to the Sanitarium - lol -within 5 days or so.

> >

> > I honestly believe since Cymbalta and Lyrica are fairly new on the

> > Market they are pushed by the Companies - and considered a cure-all -

> > sort of like when Prozac came along. I have no doubt that they do help

> > some people - I wasn't one of them.

> >

> > Megwin

> > On Jun 24, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Barbara wrote:

> >

> > > Totally scary stuff I'm reading, with a few good reports in between.

> > > I really don't want another pill in me and I really don't want

> > > something messing with my brain.

> > > I have pain and legitimate reasons to feel down at times.

> > > This NP was saying something about me not exercising(I was into it

> > > for almost 30 yrs and that's what probably has caused me my leg

> > pains

> > > now) she said I was lacking the Serotonin & Norepinephrine I got

> > from

> > > exercising. It sort of made sense but besides real reasons to get

> > down

> > > and my hormones, I don't feel really depressed. I get upset that I

> > > can't do what I used to and want my old life back and want my son

> > far

> > > away from Iraq and want my husband to stop having daily panic

> > attacks

> > > and would like to see one of us working and money coming in BUT

> > > believe it or not I'm not real depressed about it.

> > >

> > > I thought it sounded good if it helped with my pain and lifted my

> > > spirits, but now, I'm not so sure.

> > >

> > > Barbara

> > >

> >

June 24, 2007

When they put me on Cymbalta I was told that the first 3 or 4 days I

will be throwing up and after that I will be fine. They were right, I

threw up for a few days then everything was fine. Now if I don't take

it for a few days and then take it again I start throwing up again.

Like starting all over.

june

>

> > My NP just prescribed Cymbalta for me, starting on a low dose of 20mg.

> > Has anyone here had experience with it good or bad?

> > I've heard both extremes.

> > Would love to hear from anyone here.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

>

June 25, 2007

Megwin,

This is what a meant my the internet not being the best place to make oneself

understood.

No need to apologize. You weren't harsh. And I am sorry if you read into my

post that way toward you.

I was only trying to express my situation the best possible way.

But I don't understand where you see that I say I like my doctor or

believe/trust him? I don't believe I even mentioned a doctor in my post. I was

writing what my mri report says.

I might have mentioned in another post that part of my frustration was not

having a real diagnosis or a good doctor.

Spinal stenosis, ddd and bulging disks affect your legs. This I have found on

the internet and from a chiropractor. And that was part of what I was trying to

convey. After nearly 30 years of exercising it will take a toll on your body.

And it was only my opinion that that coupled with aging plus all that was found

on my mris equal hurting legs. If I can find a doctor that has a solution

besides a chiropractor, that would be nice, but I haven't yet after 2 years.

Take care.

Megwin <Ravenfeather@...> wrote:

I am sorry if I somehow offended you - I did not mean anything like

that - and I think in this Group - one of the few - we can express

ourselves.

If you took my posts as sounding harsh - I was only trying to tell

people what I learned and actually know and have experienced.

Apparently I have somewhere somehow put my foot in my mouth -

Anything is possible - and whatever you chose to believe is ok - and if

you like your Doctor and believe he is right - I was NOT saying you

should not trust him -

I have seen so many Mistakes and Interactions - even from good Doctors

- I was only trying to tell you to not blame it on something that

sounds so farfetched.

I did NOT mean to tell you what you should believe - and I know you

have pain - I did not try to belittle anything you said -

If you hurt you back - yes - eventually if will or can affect your legs

- I am sorry if I did not know or have forgotten your back injury.

I have a back injury and there are days I can't even walk. I used to

walk for miles at one time - but I also know that these walks are not

what is hurting my legs so bad now - my back and legs are both

extremely painful.

If you misunderstood something I said - I'll gladly apologize.

I only meant to help - since you seemed to be somewhat hesitant about

what was hurting your legs and what to take.

I won't intrude again - since I do not know about all your injuries - I

guess I spoke out of turn.

Megwin

On Jun 24, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Barbara wrote:

> The internet is never the best place to express yourself, at least it

> hasn't proven so to me.

> I was trying to say after years of exercising, it is very possible

> that I hurt my back, which in turn caused the leg pain.

> I've had mris on my back, I have ddd, some spinal stenosis,

> multi-level bulging disks, arthritis...I was saying the exercising

> could be part of the reason for the pain. All I know is that in July

> 2005, I woke up with a bad lower back pain, I had been I think

> exercising on my stationary bike the day before, but I had a routine

> of exercise every day of the week plus moved cross country, so this,

> and aging sounds like it could be the cause of pain in both of my

> legs.

>

> I tried Lyrica, I would never take that again, I wrote about that, I

> thought on here. It made me feel like I was drunk the next day and

> walking on a slant, very scary.

> The cymbalta sounds scary too.

>

> I am not a depressed person. It was prescribed more for pain but like

> I believe I said, I do get down over real life issues, which are many

> at the moment.

>

> Well, good luck to you and I hope I made myself more understandable

> and if not, I guess that's ok too, I tried.

>

> Megwin wrote:

> I never heard of losing Seratonin and/or Norepinephrine from

> exercising

> in all my years of working in the medical field - you can lose

> Potassium of you do not take enough liquids - and the actual Athletes

> do not produce all the hormones they should - they stop menstruating

> because they train and train and train -

>

> Exercise is supposed to increase your endorphins which help pain - and

> I doubt that your leg pain are caused from exercising - never heard of

> that either. It is not good if you go from strenous exercise to

> nothing

> all of a sudden - but it would not cause the symptoms you describe. I

> guess you have been checked for other causes (I hope). Arteries can

> get

> clogged sometimes and cause pain - there are many, many causes for leg

> pain. If he suggested Cymbalta for leg pain - I don't know - you would

> be better of with Neurontin or even Lyrica. My Insurance still does

> not

> carry Lyrica - they tell me that this medication has not been tested

> long enough. I wouldn't know.

>

> I suffer from Depression - have my whole life - and now with the pain

> it's worse at times - and I took Cymbalta and it did not help my

> depression or my pain.

>

> But you saw the " good " posts - and it won't hurt you to try it - I

> think you would notice the funny side effects within days - I was

> ready

> to be committed to the Sanitarium - lol -within 5 days or so.

>

> I honestly believe since Cymbalta and Lyrica are fairly new on the

> Market they are pushed by the Companies - and considered a cure-all -

> sort of like when Prozac came along. I have no doubt that they do help

> some people - I wasn't one of them.

>

> Megwin

> On Jun 24, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Barbara wrote:

>

> > Totally scary stuff I'm reading, with a few good reports in between.

> > I really don't want another pill in me and I really don't want

> > something messing with my brain.

> > I have pain and legitimate reasons to feel down at times.

> > This NP was saying something about me not exercising(I was into it

> > for almost 30 yrs and that's what probably has caused me my leg

> pains

> > now) she said I was lacking the Serotonin & Norepinephrine I got

> from

> > exercising. It sort of made sense but besides real reasons to get

> down

> > and my hormones, I don't feel really depressed. I get upset that I

> > can't do what I used to and want my old life back and want my son

> far

> > away from Iraq and want my husband to stop having daily panic

> attacks

> > and would like to see one of us working and money coming in BUT

> > believe it or not I'm not real depressed about it.

> >

> > I thought it sounded good if it helped with my pain and lifted my

> > spirits, but now, I'm not so sure.

> >

> > Barbara

> >

>

June 25, 2007

I agree, I don't just take something because it's prescribed, I look it up but

as you see here I also ask questions to real people who have used it. Of course

I realize we are different, but if 5 out of 7 people give a bad review, that

says something and is a warning to me.

Megwin <Ravenfeather@...> wrote:

They say the same thing about Neurontin and Lyrica - and they say it

about Cymbalta. None of these were PAIN Medications - and they still

aren't. They are meant for seizures (except for Cymbalta - which is

classified under Psychotic Drugs as an Anti-Depressant).

Neurontin and Lyrica are for Neuropathy -(originally developed for

seizures) which is that awful tingling and dead feeling you get from

nerve pain. If you had a bad tooth ache or head ache - you would find

out that none of those three would take away the pain -

What they hope to accomplish with using these meds - is to not

necessarily help YOU - but help the pain meds work better. Neurontin is

also used in Bi-Polar People - it can give you a lift in your Spirits

which will pass with time.

I look up ALL meds the Doctor gives me - and I really do not care what

they actually were meant for - but I DO KNOW the classifications - and

I will not take something that I think might cause me harm. I was

offered the Fentanyl Patch by my new PC - I looked it up - after I read

almost 4 pages of what could happen to me (along with the meds I

already take and the Illnesses I am fighting) I would not EVER take

this medication - I do not care WHAT the Doctor says. It is not meant

for People with Breathing Problems (I have Asthma) that's the first

warning. Heart Problems are the 2nd warning - and I have early (or

irregular) heartbeat which does not need to be treated yet - but most

likely will be in the future. There was much more - especially where

elderly people are concerned.

I respectfully declined the patch - and I would much rather be on

Oxycontin - or Oxycodone - whichever -

I don't think these Doctors always know about the Interaction of

medications - usually the Pharmacist knows more than the Doctors about

that.

No pill is good for you - and you have to weigh your options - does the

benefit outweigh the risk.......

Just my own opinion.

Megwin

On Jun 24, 2007, at 6:42 PM, BLEECKERST10012@... wrote:

> roni, there are a lot of stupid doctors out there. but there are also a

> llot of good doctors and we need to find those. i have several

> issues. the

> terrible fibro, as you know. i also have a synoivlal cyst at L4/L5

> sitting on a

> nerve, tons of arthritis in my spine and knees and avascular necrosis

> in my

> knees which are always pretty aggravated. i had a cage put in at

> L3-L4 a

> year ago, May.

> the other meds are to control all the pain from all these issues

> which tend

> to exacerbate each other. i have a duragesic patch and i take oxyir

> for b

> reak through pain. i also try to help myself as much as possible

> through diet.

> tons of exercise and getting out of bed in the morning and going into

> my

> life. the cymbalta is primarily for the pain from the fibro as i

> understand it.

> marsha

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

> http://www.aol.com.

>

June 25, 2007

I am glad they are working for you - it is still considered a

" questionable " medication - but if it had worked for me I would have

kept taking it. I never threw up - I just sort of felt " psycho " -

Megwin

On Jun 25, 2007, at 12:02 AM, junediann wrote:

>

> When they put me on Cymbalta I was told that the first 3 or 4 days I

> will be throwing up and after that I will be fine. They were right, I

> threw up for a few days then everything was fine. Now if I don't take

> it for a few days and then take it again I start throwing up again.

> Like starting all over.

>

> june

>

> >

> > > My NP just prescribed Cymbalta for me, starting on a low dose of

> 20mg.

> > > Has anyone here had experience with it good or bad?

> > > I've heard both extremes.

> > > Would love to hear from anyone here.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

>

June 25, 2007

Again - I apologize - I was thinking about exercise in the past etc.

now causing leg pain - maybe that post was not even written by you -

I also suffer from Spinal Stenosis - and many people suffer with this -

it pushes on ALL nerves in your lower spinal canal - and the pain is

bad - I know -

When you mentioned that the Internet was not the best place to make

oneself understood - I was sure you meant that I did not know or

understand your situation.

Let's just forget all of that - start over - heck my brain is a sieve -

my backbone is mush and my memory is still somewhere in those old time

purses I got in my closet.

The remark about believing your Doctor was specifically directed at him

telling you that the exercise you did in earlier years is now causing

your legpain - to me that statement (if that was even you that made it)

made no sense - but an injury in your back will always eventually

affect your legs.

I hope this makes more sense now - and if I picked the wrong person to

reply to - I am sorry. I am unable to keep up with my aging process

which seems to have gone into overdrive.

Megwin

On Jun 25, 2007, at 2:45 AM, Barbara wrote:

> Megwin,

> This is what a meant my the internet not being the best place to make

> oneself understood.

> No need to apologize. You weren't harsh. And I am sorry if you read

> into my post that way toward you.

> I was only trying to express my situation the best possible way.

> But I don't understand where you see that I say I like my doctor or

> believe/trust him? I don't believe I even mentioned a doctor in my

> post. I was writing what my mri report says.

> I might have mentioned in another post that part of my frustration

> was not having a real diagnosis or a good doctor.

> Spinal stenosis, ddd and bulging disks affect your legs. This I have

> found on the internet and from a chiropractor. And that was part of

> what I was trying to convey. After nearly 30 years of exercising it

> will take a toll on your body. And it was only my opinion that that

> coupled with aging plus all that was found on my mris equal hurting

> legs. If I can find a doctor that has a solution besides a

> chiropractor, that would be nice, but I haven't yet after 2 years.

> Take care.

>

June 25, 2007

I do agree with you on this - often when people tell me what they are

taking I will research it and ask if I might try it. I have had

medications prescribed that raised my Sugarlevels and my B/P to a

dangerous level - and this Doctor kept insisting it was a good

medication. It plainly had a warning on it that Asthmatics should not

take this - and I do suffer from Asthma - sure enough - I had terrible

problems breathing.

So you see I don't even trust Doctors anymore - not only that - I often

received meds in the Hospital that were not even mine - if I had not

known what I was taking and somewhat what they looked like - who knows

where I would be now. All of this is totally unacceptable to me and

should never happen - but it does.

And I do realize everyone reacts differently to a certain medication.

I think that's why I come on sometimes like a Bulldozer - only trying

to be helpful.

These days it's smart to check on everything - too many medications

errors and people actually die. It is also a known Fact that most of

the Doctors will not look up if this medication is compatible with what

you are already taking - they just hand you that piece of paper. If you

have a good Pharmacist - he will call the Doctor and make him aware,

but as busy as they often are - who knows.

The longer I live - the more I distrust -

Take care

Megwin

On Jun 25, 2007, at 2:49 AM, Barbara wrote:

> I agree, I don't just take something because it's prescribed, I look

> it up but as you see here I also ask questions to real people who have

> used it. Of course I realize we are different, but if 5 out of 7

> people give a bad review, that says something and is a warning to me.

>

June 25, 2007

Megwin,

Let's start over. I did mean it is hard for me to express myself on here and

vice versa, we all get misunderstood. Understand? lol

A doctor never told me that my past exercise caused the leg pain, I was saying

it all worked together. And it was an NP that prescribed the Cymbalta saying

something like, by doing so much exercising in the past, you produced more

serotonin and norepinephrine, so stopping or slowing down, would cause that

production of it to decrease. It was something like that. I am trying to repeat

what she said, I don't know how true that is if at all.

Someone else said to me, " so what are you replacing all that exercise with? " ,

as if I was producing, I would think endorphins. I'm not that informed of

serotonin and norepinephrine. Heck I just heard about the last

one(norepinephrine), not even sure what it does!

Hope some of this makes sense.

But Megwin, I have no hard feelings ever, all of us have troubles, and we need

each other.

I hope I didn't add to any troubles on my end also.

Barbara

Megwin <Ravenfeather@...> wrote:

Again - I apologize - I was thinking about exercise in the past etc.

now causing leg pain - maybe that post was not even written by you -

I also suffer from Spinal Stenosis - and many people suffer with this -

it pushes on ALL nerves in your lower spinal canal - and the pain is

bad - I know -

When you mentioned that the Internet was not the best place to make

oneself understood - I was sure you meant that I did not know or

understand your situation.

Let's just forget all of that - start over - heck my brain is a sieve -

my backbone is mush and my memory is still somewhere in those old time

purses I got in my closet.

The remark about believing your Doctor was specifically directed at him

telling you that the exercise you did in earlier years is now causing

your legpain - to me that statement (if that was even you that made it)

made no sense - but an injury in your back will always eventually

affect your legs.

I hope this makes more sense now - and if I picked the wrong person to

reply to - I am sorry. I am unable to keep up with my aging process

which seems to have gone into overdrive.

Megwin

On Jun 25, 2007, at 2:45 AM, Barbara wrote:

> Megwin,

> This is what a meant my the internet not being the best place to make

> oneself understood.

> No need to apologize. You weren't harsh. And I am sorry if you read

> into my post that way toward you.

> I was only trying to express my situation the best possible way.

> But I don't understand where you see that I say I like my doctor or

> believe/trust him? I don't believe I even mentioned a doctor in my

> post. I was writing what my mri report says.

> I might have mentioned in another post that part of my frustration

> was not having a real diagnosis or a good doctor.

> Spinal stenosis, ddd and bulging disks affect your legs. This I have

> found on the internet and from a chiropractor. And that was part of

> what I was trying to convey. After nearly 30 years of exercising it

> will take a toll on your body. And it was only my opinion that that

> coupled with aging plus all that was found on my mris equal hurting

> legs. If I can find a doctor that has a solution besides a

> chiropractor, that would be nice, but I haven't yet after 2 years.

> Take care.

>

June 25, 2007

I agree. I don't trust the doctors myself most of the time or the pharmacists.

They have the same info we have on drug interactions.

We have to be smart and informed.

One time I got an allergy medicine that was a nasal spray but the directions

said to put it in your ear! It's funny, BUT what IF I was old or stupid and did

it, and I wonder how many other misprints are there?

And talking about misprints, my friend works with radiologists and transcribes

mris, you don't want to know how often the doctors change their minds and how

the transcriber leaves lines out. It's hard to trust when you know this.

Megwin <Ravenfeather@...> wrote:

I do agree with you on this - often when people tell me what they are

taking I will research it and ask if I might try it. I have had

medications prescribed that raised my Sugarlevels and my B/P to a

dangerous level - and this Doctor kept insisting it was a good

medication. It plainly had a warning on it that Asthmatics should not

take this - and I do suffer from Asthma - sure enough - I had terrible

problems breathing.

So you see I don't even trust Doctors anymore - not only that - I often

received meds in the Hospital that were not even mine - if I had not

known what I was taking and somewhat what they looked like - who knows

where I would be now. All of this is totally unacceptable to me and

should never happen - but it does.

And I do realize everyone reacts differently to a certain medication.

I think that's why I come on sometimes like a Bulldozer - only trying

to be helpful.

These days it's smart to check on everything - too many medications

errors and people actually die. It is also a known Fact that most of

the Doctors will not look up if this medication is compatible with what

you are already taking - they just hand you that piece of paper. If you

have a good Pharmacist - he will call the Doctor and make him aware,

but as busy as they often are - who knows.

The longer I live - the more I distrust -

Take care

Megwin

On Jun 25, 2007, at 2:49 AM, Barbara wrote:

> I agree, I don't just take something because it's prescribed, I look

> it up but as you see here I also ask questions to real people who have

> used it. Of course I realize we are different, but if 5 out of 7

> people give a bad review, that says something and is a warning to me.

>

June 25, 2007

You would not believe how many times I have experienced this - it's

scary.

Megwin

On Jun 25, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Barbara wrote:

> I agree. I don't trust the doctors myself most of the time or the

> pharmacists. They have the same info we have on drug interactions.

> We have to be smart and informed.

> One time I got an allergy medicine that was a nasal spray but the

> directions said to put it in your ear! It's funny, BUT what IF I was

> old or stupid and did it, and I wonder how many other misprints are

> there?

> And talking about misprints, my friend works with radiologists and

> transcribes mris, you don't want to know how often the doctors change

> their minds and how the transcriber leaves lines out. It's hard to

> trust when you know this.

>

June 26, 2007

Would you please repeat that???? LOL - just kidding - please don't -

that was what I had trouble with - that your former exercise would now

cause problems because of lack of producing endorphins.

You know - once you are a Nurse - always a Nurse - so I often say " I

never heard of this or that " - or " that makes no sense " - according to

what I once learning in College etc.

Like I said - at the time I wrote that - I was not thinking of your

back problems at all - just your leg pain - so I was very concentrated

on only that part.

Now - let's put that whole thing to rest - I do suffer from " I totally

forgot what I said and when I said it " Syndrome - it's easy for me to

sometimes mix things up - I can not always remember who said what -

So - YES - I DO understand :-)

I am not mad - are you??? lol - and as far as expressing myself I don't

do so well myself sometimes - especially if it's really important - but

I am good at blabber and so forth.

Take care Barbara - and yes - please let's start over - do we start

over today or tomorrow? (joking - really)

Megwin

On Jun 25, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Barbara wrote:

> Megwin,

> Let's start over. I did mean it is hard for me to express myself on

> here and vice versa, we all get misunderstood. Understand? lol

>

> A doctor never told me that my past exercise caused the leg pain, I

> was saying it all worked together. And it was an NP that prescribed

> the Cymbalta saying something like, by doing so much exercising in the

> past, you produced more serotonin and norepinephrine, so stopping or

> slowing down, would cause that production of it to decrease. It was

> something like that. I am trying to repeat what she said, I don't know

> how true that is if at all.

> Someone else said to me, " so what are you replacing all that exercise

> with? " , as if I was producing, I would think endorphins. I'm not that

> informed of serotonin and norepinephrine. Heck I just heard about the

> last one(norepinephrine), not even sure what it does!

> Hope some of this makes sense.

> But Megwin, I have no hard feelings ever, all of us have troubles,

> and we need each other.

> I hope I didn't add to any troubles on my end also.

>

> Barbara

>

June 26, 2007

I think we already started over.

So, as a former nurse, may I ask your opinion on this NP saying that I'm

producing less serotonin and norepinephrine because of lack of exercise, and the

need to replace it with a snri is foolishness? In my gut, I don't feel I need

it. It kind of makes sense but sounds flawed.

I understand that you produce endorphins from exercise but never heard what

she was talking about.

Gosh, I hope this post makes sense.

I'd like your opinion again, if you have the time.

Thanks,

Barbara

Megwin <Ravenfeather@...> wrote:

Would you please repeat that???? LOL - just kidding - please don't -

that was what I had trouble with - that your former exercise would now

cause problems because of lack of producing endorphins.

You know - once you are a Nurse - always a Nurse - so I often say " I

never heard of this or that " - or " that makes no sense " - according to

what I once learning in College etc.

Like I said - at the time I wrote that - I was not thinking of your

back problems at all - just your leg pain - so I was very concentrated

on only that part.

Now - let's put that whole thing to rest - I do suffer from " I totally

forgot what I said and when I said it " Syndrome - it's easy for me to

sometimes mix things up - I can not always remember who said what -

So - YES - I DO understand :-)

I am not mad - are you??? lol - and as far as expressing myself I don't

do so well myself sometimes - especially if it's really important - but

I am good at blabber and so forth.

Take care Barbara - and yes - please let's start over - do we start

over today or tomorrow? (joking - really)

Megwin

On Jun 25, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Barbara wrote:

> Megwin,

> Let's start over. I did mean it is hard for me to express myself on

> here and vice versa, we all get misunderstood. Understand? lol

>

> A doctor never told me that my past exercise caused the leg pain, I

> was saying it all worked together. And it was an NP that prescribed

> the Cymbalta saying something like, by doing so much exercising in the

> past, you produced more serotonin and norepinephrine, so stopping or

> slowing down, would cause that production of it to decrease. It was

> something like that. I am trying to repeat what she said, I don't know

> how true that is if at all.

> Someone else said to me, " so what are you replacing all that exercise

> with? " , as if I was producing, I would think endorphins. I'm not that

> informed of serotonin and norepinephrine. Heck I just heard about the

> last one(norepinephrine), not even sure what it does!

> Hope some of this makes sense.

> But Megwin, I have no hard feelings ever, all of us have troubles,

> and we need each other.

> I hope I didn't add to any troubles on my end also.

>

> Barbara

>

June 26, 2007

Barbara - I am NOT a Doctor - and I can not diagnose what is wrong -

but that's what my original post was about - I have never heard of

producing less seratonin and norephinephrine - therefore endorphins -

because you were exercising earlier in your life -

I do know that Depression is caused by a chemical imbalance of

Seratonin and/or norepinephrine - but Depression makes a physical pain

worse maybe - but it does not CAUSE the pain.

And - I never did hear of that diagnosis - I honestly think he was

trying to " sell " you the Cymbalta - which influences the Re-uptake of

the above mentioned Enzymes.

Cymbalta is a relatively new medication and it is supposed to pick up

on this (the re-uptake) - I doubt if it will affect your endorphins.

If you do not feel like you need them - maybe you do NOT need them - it

is hard to give advice by e-mail - but like with every other medication

you take - there are and always will be side-effects. Consider the pros

and cons so to speak.

If I was told what you were told - I would never believe that - BUT -

anything is possible - I personally have NEVER heard of it - not the

way it was put - or the way you put it.

All I can tell you is that you have a Back that is damaged it WILL

affect your legs - in different ways with different people - but the

Nervebundle sits at the end of your spine and that's where the signals

are sent from - so it's stand to reason that the pain would radiate

from your back to your legs - and even the sciatic nerve - that one

hurts all the way to your toes.

I can not and will not tell you whether you should take Cymbalta - many

people have found relief - (so I hear) - so only you can and should

decide what to do.

The first lesson taught in Nursing is to NOT EVER diagnose - especially

without seeing the patient.

I wish you the best of luck - and it would not kill you or cause

permanent damage if you wanted to try the Cymbalta for a few days - you

can always stop - I did.

Megwin

On Jun 26, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Barbara wrote:

> I think we already started over.

> So, as a former nurse, may I ask your opinion on this NP saying that

> I'm producing less serotonin and norepinephrine because of lack of

> exercise, and the need to replace it with a snri is foolishness? In my

> gut, I don't feel I need it. It kind of makes sense but sounds flawed.

> I understand that you produce endorphins from exercise but never

> heard what she was talking about.

> Gosh, I hope this post makes sense.

> I'd like your opinion again, if you have the time.

> Thanks,

> Barbara

>

> Megwin <Ravenfeather@...> wrote:

> Would you please repeat that???? LOL - just kidding - please don't -

> that was what I had trouble with - that your former exercise would now

> cause problems because of lack of producing endorphins.

> You know - once you are a Nurse - always a Nurse - so I often say " I

> never heard of this or that " - or " that makes no sense " - according to

> what I once learning in College etc.

>

> Like I said - at the time I wrote that - I was not thinking of your

> back problems at all - just your leg pain - so I was very concentrated

> on only that part.

>

> Now - let's put that whole thing to rest - I do suffer from " I totally

> forgot what I said and when I said it " Syndrome - it's easy for me to

> sometimes mix things up - I can not always remember who said what -

>

> So - YES - I DO understand :-)

>

> I am not mad - are you??? lol - and as far as expressing myself I

> don't

> do so well myself sometimes - especially if it's really important -

> but

> I am good at blabber and so forth.

>

> Take care Barbara - and yes - please let's start over - do we start

> over today or tomorrow? (joking - really)

>

> Megwin

> On Jun 25, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Barbara wrote:

>

> > Megwin,

> > Let's start over. I did mean it is hard for me to express myself on

> > here and vice versa, we all get misunderstood. Understand? lol

> >

> > A doctor never told me that my past exercise caused the leg pain, I

> > was saying it all worked together. And it was an NP that prescribed

> > the Cymbalta saying something like, by doing so much exercising in

> the

> > past, you produced more serotonin and norepinephrine, so stopping or

> > slowing down, would cause that production of it to decrease. It was

> > something like that. I am trying to repeat what she said, I don't

> know

> > how true that is if at all.

> > Someone else said to me, " so what are you replacing all that

> exercise

> > with? " , as if I was producing, I would think endorphins. I'm not

> that

> > informed of serotonin and norepinephrine. Heck I just heard about

> the

> > last one(norepinephrine), not even sure what it does!

> > Hope some of this makes sense.

> > But Megwin, I have no hard feelings ever, all of us have troubles,

> > and we need each other.

> > I hope I didn't add to any troubles on my end also.

> >

> > Barbara

> >

>

June 26, 2007

Hi Megwin, I did try the Cymbalta, this is my 2nd day and my gut reaction is

that it is not something I need in me.

It makes me feel more nervous, I don't need that! It also gave me less of an

appetite, and a bad taste in my mouth, my head hurt a little and my stomache a

little. All and all, not terrible, but the anxiousness I felt more of, I hate. I

always hate the fact of adding chemicals to my body, but if I think I don't need

them, it really makes me want to stop.

If this drug actually did what it says it's suppose to do, treat depression,

anxiety and pain, wow, sounds great, but I don't feel super depressed and take

something for the pain and anxiety that also helps the pain in my legs. I might

just leave it at that until a miracle comes or a sane doctor.

Thanks Megwin, I appreciate your input.

Have a good day,

Barbara

Megwin <Ravenfeather@...> wrote:

Barbara - I am NOT a Doctor - and I can not diagnose what is wrong -

but that's what my original post was about - I have never heard of

producing less seratonin and norephinephrine - therefore endorphins -

because you were exercising earlier in your life -

I do know that Depression is caused by a chemical imbalance of

Seratonin and/or norepinephrine - but Depression makes a physical pain

worse maybe - but it does not CAUSE the pain.

And - I never did hear of that diagnosis - I honestly think he was

trying to " sell " you the Cymbalta - which influences the Re-uptake of

the above mentioned Enzymes.

Cymbalta is a relatively new medication and it is supposed to pick up

on this (the re-uptake) - I doubt if it will affect your endorphins.

If you do not feel like you need them - maybe you do NOT need them - it

is hard to give advice by e-mail - but like with every other medication

you take - there are and always will be side-effects. Consider the pros

and cons so to speak.

If I was told what you were told - I would never believe that - BUT -

anything is possible - I personally have NEVER heard of it - not the

way it was put - or the way you put it.

All I can tell you is that you have a Back that is damaged it WILL

affect your legs - in different ways with different people - but the

Nervebundle sits at the end of your spine and that's where the signals

are sent from - so it's stand to reason that the pain would radiate

from your back to your legs - and even the sciatic nerve - that one

hurts all the way to your toes.

I can not and will not tell you whether you should take Cymbalta - many

people have found relief - (so I hear) - so only you can and should

decide what to do.

The first lesson taught in Nursing is to NOT EVER diagnose - especially

without seeing the patient.

I wish you the best of luck - and it would not kill you or cause

permanent damage if you wanted to try the Cymbalta for a few days - you

can always stop - I did.

Megwin

On Jun 26, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Barbara wrote:

> I think we already started over.

> So, as a former nurse, may I ask your opinion on this NP saying that

> I'm producing less serotonin and norepinephrine because of lack of

> exercise, and the need to replace it with a snri is foolishness? In my

> gut, I don't feel I need it. It kind of makes sense but sounds flawed.

> I understand that you produce endorphins from exercise but never

> heard what she was talking about.

> Gosh, I hope this post makes sense.

> I'd like your opinion again, if you have the time.

> Thanks,

> Barbara

>

> Megwin wrote:

> Would you please repeat that???? LOL - just kidding - please don't -

> that was what I had trouble with - that your former exercise would now

> cause problems because of lack of producing endorphins.

> You know - once you are a Nurse - always a Nurse - so I often say " I

> never heard of this or that " - or " that makes no sense " - according to

> what I once learning in College etc.

>

> Like I said - at the time I wrote that - I was not thinking of your

> back problems at all - just your leg pain - so I was very concentrated

> on only that part.

>

> Now - let's put that whole thing to rest - I do suffer from " I totally

> forgot what I said and when I said it " Syndrome - it's easy for me to

> sometimes mix things up - I can not always remember who said what -

>

> So - YES - I DO understand :-)

>

> I am not mad - are you??? lol - and as far as expressing myself I

> don't

> do so well myself sometimes - especially if it's really important -

> but

> I am good at blabber and so forth.

>

> Take care Barbara - and yes - please let's start over - do we start

> over today or tomorrow? (joking - really)

>

> Megwin

> On Jun 25, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Barbara wrote:

>

> > Megwin,

> > Let's start over. I did mean it is hard for me to express myself on

> > here and vice versa, we all get misunderstood. Understand? lol

> >

> > A doctor never told me that my past exercise caused the leg pain, I

> > was saying it all worked together. And it was an NP that prescribed

> > the Cymbalta saying something like, by doing so much exercising in

> the

> > past, you produced more serotonin and norepinephrine, so stopping or

> > slowing down, would cause that production of it to decrease. It was

> > something like that. I am trying to repeat what she said, I don't

> know

> > how true that is if at all.

> > Someone else said to me, " so what are you replacing all that

> exercise

> > with? " , as if I was producing, I would think endorphins. I'm not

> that

> > informed of serotonin and norepinephrine. Heck I just heard about

> the

> > last one(norepinephrine), not even sure what it does!

> > Hope some of this makes sense.

> > But Megwin, I have no hard feelings ever, all of us have troubles,

> > and we need each other.

> > I hope I didn't add to any troubles on my end also.

> >

> > Barbara

> >

>

June 27, 2007

I actually have found very few people (in person and on the Net) that

swore by this Drug -

I am sorry it did not work for you - I did the same things you are

doing - and the longer I took it worse it got -

Megwin

On Jun 26, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Barbara wrote:

> Hi Megwin, I did try the Cymbalta, this is my 2nd day and my gut

> reaction is that it is not something I need in me.

> It makes me feel more nervous, I don't need that! It also gave me

> less of an appetite, and a bad taste in my mouth, my head hurt a

> little and my stomache a little. All and all, not terrible, but the

> anxiousness I felt more of, I hate. I always hate the fact of adding

> chemicals to my body, but if I think I don't need them, it really

> makes me want to stop.

> If this drug actually did what it says it's suppose to do, treat

> depression, anxiety and pain, wow, sounds great, but I don't feel

> super depressed and take something for the pain and anxiety that also

> helps the pain in my legs. I might just leave it at that until a

> miracle comes or a sane doctor.

> Thanks Megwin, I appreciate your input.

> Have a good day,

> Barbara

>

> Megwin <Ravenfeather@...> wrote:

> Barbara - I am NOT a Doctor - and I can not diagnose what is wrong -

> but that's what my original post was about - I have never heard of

> producing less seratonin and norephinephrine - therefore endorphins -

> because you were exercising earlier in your life -

>

> I do know that Depression is caused by a chemical imbalance of

> Seratonin and/or norepinephrine - but Depression makes a physical pain

> worse maybe - but it does not CAUSE the pain.

>

> And - I never did hear of that diagnosis - I honestly think he was

> trying to " sell " you the Cymbalta - which influences the Re-uptake of

> the above mentioned Enzymes.

> Cymbalta is a relatively new medication and it is supposed to pick up

> on this (the re-uptake) - I doubt if it will affect your endorphins.

>

> If you do not feel like you need them - maybe you do NOT need them -

> it

> is hard to give advice by e-mail - but like with every other

> medication

> you take - there are and always will be side-effects. Consider the

> pros

> and cons so to speak.

>

> If I was told what you were told - I would never believe that - BUT -

> anything is possible - I personally have NEVER heard of it - not the

> way it was put - or the way you put it.

>

> All I can tell you is that you have a Back that is damaged it WILL

> affect your legs - in different ways with different people - but the

> Nervebundle sits at the end of your spine and that's where the signals

> are sent from - so it's stand to reason that the pain would radiate

> from your back to your legs - and even the sciatic nerve - that one

> hurts all the way to your toes.

>

> I can not and will not tell you whether you should take Cymbalta -

> many

> people have found relief - (so I hear) - so only you can and should

> decide what to do.

>

> The first lesson taught in Nursing is to NOT EVER diagnose -

> especially

> without seeing the patient.

>

> I wish you the best of luck - and it would not kill you or cause

> permanent damage if you wanted to try the Cymbalta for a few days -

> you

> can always stop - I did.

>

> Megwin

> On Jun 26, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Barbara wrote:

>

> > I think we already started over.

> > So, as a former nurse, may I ask your opinion on this NP saying that

> > I'm producing less serotonin and norepinephrine because of lack of

> > exercise, and the need to replace it with a snri is foolishness? In

> my

> > gut, I don't feel I need it. It kind of makes sense but sounds

> flawed.

> > I understand that you produce endorphins from exercise but never

> > heard what she was talking about.

> > Gosh, I hope this post makes sense.

> > I'd like your opinion again, if you have the time.

> > Thanks,

> > Barbara

> >

> > Megwin wrote:

> > Would you please repeat that???? LOL - just kidding - please don't -

> > that was what I had trouble with - that your former exercise would

> now

> > cause problems because of lack of producing endorphins.

> > You know - once you are a Nurse - always a Nurse - so I often say " I

> > never heard of this or that " - or " that makes no sense " - according

> to

> > what I once learning in College etc.

> >

> > Like I said - at the time I wrote that - I was not thinking of your

> > back problems at all - just your leg pain - so I was very

> concentrated

> > on only that part.

> >

> > Now - let's put that whole thing to rest - I do suffer from " I

> totally

> > forgot what I said and when I said it " Syndrome - it's easy for me

> to

> > sometimes mix things up - I can not always remember who said what -

> >

> > So - YES - I DO understand :-)

> >

> > I am not mad - are you??? lol - and as far as expressing myself I

> > don't

> > do so well myself sometimes - especially if it's really important -

> > but

> > I am good at blabber and so forth.

> >

> > Take care Barbara - and yes - please let's start over - do we start

> > over today or tomorrow? (joking - really)

> >

> > Megwin

> > On Jun 25, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Barbara wrote:

> >

> > > Megwin,

> > > Let's start over. I did mean it is hard for me to express myself

> on

> > > here and vice versa, we all get misunderstood. Understand? lol

> > >

> > > A doctor never told me that my past exercise caused the leg pain,

> I

> > > was saying it all worked together. And it was an NP that

> prescribed

> > > the Cymbalta saying something like, by doing so much exercising in

> > the

> > > past, you produced more serotonin and norepinephrine, so stopping

> or

> > > slowing down, would cause that production of it to decrease. It

> was

> > > something like that. I am trying to repeat what she said, I don't

> > know

> > > how true that is if at all.

> > > Someone else said to me, " so what are you replacing all that

> > exercise

> > > with? " , as if I was producing, I would think endorphins. I'm not

> > that

> > > informed of serotonin and norepinephrine. Heck I just heard about

> > the

> > > last one(norepinephrine), not even sure what it does!

> > > Hope some of this makes sense.

> > > But Megwin, I have no hard feelings ever, all of us have troubles,

> > > and we need each other.

> > > I hope I didn't add to any troubles on my end also.

> > >

> > > Barbara

> > >

> >

July 1, 2007

I am starting to reduce cymbalta. The skin on my legs has gotten very thin and

tears easily ana i now have bleeding sores all over the bottom half of legs.

Really nasty. Has anyone else gone through this? Marsha

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Re: Cymbalta and pain

I actually have found very few people (in person and on the Net) that

swore by this Drug -

I am sorry it did not work for you - I did the same things you are

doing - and the longer I took it worse it got -

Megwin

On Jun 26, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Barbara wrote:

> Hi Megwin, I did try the Cymbalta, this is my 2nd day and my gut

> reaction is that it is not something I need in me.

> It makes me feel more nervous, I don't need that! It also gave me

> less of an appetite, and a bad taste in my mouth, my head hurt a

> little and my stomache a little. All and all, not terrible, but the

> anxiousness I felt more of, I hate. I always hate the fact of adding

> chemicals to my body, but if I think I don't need them, it really

> makes me want to stop.

> If this drug actually did what it says it's suppose to do, treat

> depression, anxiety and pain, wow, sounds great, but I don't feel

> super depressed and take something for the pain and anxiety that also

> helps the pain in my legs. I might just leave it at that until a

> miracle comes or a sane doctor.

> Thanks Megwin, I appreciate your input.

> Have a good day,

> Barbara

>

> Megwin <Ravenfeather@ <mailto:Ravenfeather%40Copper.net> Copper.net> wrote:

> Barbara - I am NOT a Doctor - and I can not diagnose what is wrong -

> but that's what my original post was about - I have never heard of

> producing less seratonin and norephinephrine - therefore endorphins -

> because you were exercising earlier in your life -

>

> I do know that Depression is caused by a chemical imbalance of

> Seratonin and/or norepinephrine - but Depression makes a physical pain

> worse maybe - but it does not CAUSE the pain.

>

> And - I never did hear of that diagnosis - I honestly think he was

> trying to " sell " you the Cymbalta - which influences the Re-uptake of

> the above mentioned Enzymes.

> Cymbalta is a relatively new medication and it is supposed to pick up

> on this (the re-uptake) - I doubt if it will affect your endorphins.

>

> If you do not feel like you need them - maybe you do NOT need them -

> it

> is hard to give advice by e-mail - but like with every other

> medication

> you take - there are and always will be side-effects. Consider the

> pros

> and cons so to speak.

>

> If I was told what you were told - I would never believe that - BUT -

> anything is possible - I personally have NEVER heard of it - not the

> way it was put - or the way you put it.

>

> All I can tell you is that you have a Back that is damaged it WILL

> affect your legs - in different ways with different people - but the

> Nervebundle sits at the end of your spine and that's where the signals

> are sent from - so it's stand to reason that the pain would radiate

> from your back to your legs - and even the sciatic nerve - that one

> hurts all the way to your toes.

>

> I can not and will not tell you whether you should take Cymbalta -

> many

> people have found relief - (so I hear) - so only you can and should

> decide what to do.

>

> The first lesson taught in Nursing is to NOT EVER diagnose -

> especially

> without seeing the patient.

>

> I wish you the best of luck - and it would not kill you or cause

> permanent damage if you wanted to try the Cymbalta for a few days -

> you

> can always stop - I did.

>

> Megwin

> On Jun 26, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Barbara wrote:

>

> > I think we already started over.

> > So, as a former nurse, may I ask your opinion on this NP saying that

> > I'm producing less serotonin and norepinephrine because of lack of

> > exercise, and the need to replace it with a snri is foolishness? In

> my

> > gut, I don't feel I need it. It kind of makes sense but sounds

> flawed.

> > I understand that you produce endorphins from exercise but never

> > heard what she was talking about.

> > Gosh, I hope this post makes sense.

> > I'd like your opinion again, if you have the time.

> > Thanks,

> > Barbara

> >

> > Megwin wrote:

> > Would you please repeat that???? LOL - just kidding - please don't -

> > that was what I had trouble with - that your former exercise would

> now

> > cause problems because of lack of producing endorphins.

> > You know - once you are a Nurse - always a Nurse - so I often say " I

> > never heard of this or that " - or " that makes no sense " - according

> to

> > what I once learning in College etc.

> >

> > Like I said - at the time I wrote that - I was not thinking of your

> > back problems at all - just your leg pain - so I was very

> concentrated

> > on only that part.

> >

> > Now - let's put that whole thing to rest - I do suffer from " I

> totally

> > forgot what I said and when I said it " Syndrome - it's easy for me

> to

> > sometimes mix things up - I can not always remember who said what -

> >

> > So - YES - I DO understand :-)

> >

> > I am not mad - are you??? lol - and as far as expressing myself I

> > don't

> > do so well myself sometimes - especially if it's really important -

> > but

> > I am good at blabber and so forth.

> >

> > Take care Barbara - and yes - please let's start over - do we start

> > over today or tomorrow? (joking - really)

> >

> > Megwin

> > On Jun 25, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Barbara wrote:

> >

> > > Megwin,

> > > Let's start over. I did mean it is hard for me to express myself

> on

> > > here and vice versa, we all get misunderstood. Understand? lol

> > >

> > > A doctor never told me that my past exercise caused the leg pain,

> I

> > > was saying it all worked together. And it was an NP that

> prescribed

> > > the Cymbalta saying something like, by doing so much exercising in

> > the

> > > past, you produced more serotonin and norepinephrine, so stopping

> or

> > > slowing down, would cause that production of it to decrease. It

> was

> > > something like that. I am trying to repeat what she said, I don't

> > know

> > > how true that is if at all.

> > > Someone else said to me, " so what are you replacing all that

> > exercise

> > > with? " , as if I was producing, I would think endorphins. I'm not

> > that

> > > informed of serotonin and norepinephrine. Heck I just heard about

> > the

> > > last one(norepinephrine), not even sure what it does!

> > > Hope some of this makes sense.

> > > But Megwin, I have no hard feelings ever, all of us have troubles,

> > > and we need each other.

> > > I hope I didn't add to any troubles on my end also.

> > >

> > > Barbara

> > >

> >

August 7, 2007

I have been taking Cymbalta for almost a year. MyDr.

gave it to me for sleeping at night time. I was

taking 3 30mg capsules at bedtime. Most recently I

have been experiencing seizures/black out, call it

what you want. So the send me to all these

nerologists for a consultation. Overall, the told me

to stop taking the Cymbalta, in a clean enviroment and

see what happens. Overall opinion was that I was

taking too much. Now I take Cymbalta once a day;

usually. it's too bad, because I was starting to see

relief.

Al

--- barbarac102 <barbarac102@...> wrote:

> My NP just prescribed Cymbalta for me, starting on a

> low dose of 20mg.

> Has anyone here had experience with it good or bad?

> I've heard both extremes.

> Would love to hear from anyone here.

>

> Thanks

>

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al, was your skin getting very thin and tearing easily and bleeding on your

legs from the cymbalta?

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The one complication with Cymbalta and the drugs related to it is

fluid retention....mine was in the legs, thins out the skin, itches

and bleeds...great drug, but I was not able to take it because of

this problem as well....

>

> al, was your skin getting very thin and tearing easily and

bleeding on your

> legs from the cymbalta?

> marsha

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August 15, 2007

That explains the three bouts of the hives I have had

this week. I was in the hospital when I had them and

they would only give me MORE Cymbalta and Predisone.

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> al, was your skin getting very thin and tearing

> easily and bleeding on your

> legs from the cymbalta?

> marsha

>

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