Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Posted September 26, 2006 she sent her reply today gav.she said she was a christian,hence the subject line.2nd i never said you where wicked.or evil or anyone else here.if your god or non god beliefs are for the good of mankind thats not evil.wicca is haromny and nature and the earth thats all good.but ill leave it at that as a christian she should know that .so this was a statement not a attack on anyone Gavriela de Boer <gavrieladeboer@...> wrote: Tim,I hope this will be the last time I will feelcompelled address this issue on this forum again. Insending this message out, you demonstrate a completelack of understanding for what several of us haverespectfully expressed to you in previous postings. While I am extremely offended by the language of thismessage (it implies that because I am not Christian,I'm evil) I am not leaving the list because there isstill good HCV info here and I'm not going to cut offmy nose to spite my own face. However, for the record I am annoyed, offended andreally distressed that you would post this messageafter all the discussions that have taken place onthis VERY OFF-TOPIC subject. knowing it might generatemore upsetting OT discussions that shouldn't even betaking place here.Thank goodness that I am not currently on treatment,because this would have upset me too much to stay onthis list.Still wishing you the best despite yourcharacterization of me as EVIL and WICKED), Gavriela--- Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1 > wrote:> SHOULD CHRISTIAN MORALS INFLUENCE PUBLIC LIFE? > Many Americans have believed the lie that we> should not allow those who practice Christian> religious morals to impose those good principles on> the public. What is wrong with influencing the> public with good? True Biblical standards will> always create an environment for the good of all,> while wicked standards will allow evil to overcome> good. If Christian and Biblical moral practices are> not incorporated into our national life, evil men> will impose upon us their wicked interpretation of> "freedom" i.e., the right to do evil in the name of> freedom.> > > lia godfrey <liagodfreygmail> wrote: > Exactly Tim, I am with Ron on this discussion, I> happen to be a Christian, but would never expouse my> beliefs, towards others, as it is an extremely> personal issue, faith and belief in God. How would> you feel if Ron said 'I am saddened that Tim does> not believe in allah'? Maybe it would be better to> admit that your personal faith, is what drives you,> and leave it at that, you cannot claim to have found> the best belief, and expect everybody else, to share> your beliefs, there may be a christian site where> you can discuss healing, including your beliefs, but> otherwise, it is not inclusive to bring a particular> religion and belief into a site that may include> varying faiths, and also atheism. It is very> patronising to be sad for Ron if he doesn't share> your faith, and also very domineering. Neither of> which traits would be condoned within in the> Christian faith?- Despite sharing your 'faith', this> is not really the site to> share it. Yours respectfully, Bontinini. > On 9/23/06, Gavriela de Boer> <gavrieladeboer > wrote: Dear> Tim,> > I agree with Ron that you are doing great work for> yourself and that your contributions to this forum> are> wonderful. > > However, like Ron, I too feel very uncomfortable> when> you express sadness for Ron and others who "didn't > know Jesus." When someone expresses ideas like this,> it feels to me like proselytizing, an activity which> I> find offensive in general and in this forum in> particular. > > I believe that you, Tim, are sensitive to others' > feelings and would never knowingly or intentionally> say anything offensive. And I'm glad that you have> found something to believe in that gives you> strength.> Because I'm happy for you and respect you, I usually> > just stop reading the minute I see the proselytizing> > and move on to other posts.> > To be clear: I support everyone's right to believe> in> anything they want. But religious beliefs are very> personal, and while I think it's perfectly> appropriate > for you or anyone to express gratitude to Jesus,> Buddah, Mohammed, Allah, Yahweh...whomever...it is> totally inappropriate to express sadness or any kind> of feeling--positive or negative--about someone who> doesn't share a particular belief system.> > Respectfully and with all best wishes to everyone,> Gavriela > > --- ronekarp <Rekarp@...> wrote:> > > I wonder how anyone on this list can think that it> > > is ok to be > > talking about my personal beliefs in this public> > forum on HepC. Tim - > > I think you're doing great work for yourself and> > sharing with this > > forum, but I find it extremely offensive that you > > would post that you > > are saddened that I don't know jesus. My spiritual> > and healing paths > > are mine and have nothing to do with this list and> I> > do not > > appreciate them being brought out into this public> > > forum. It is > > disrespectful.> > > > I think what you're saying below is that Jesus is> a> > cure for HepC. If > > this group wants to embrace that as one of the> cures> > then you're > > welcome to do that. Just please put it in the> > guidelines so others > > will know.> > > > Ron> > > > >> > > very well said barb.and thanks.i have thought> alot> > about this and > > prayed.rons a great person as we know by his> > posts.but it does > > saddened me to think that ron does not know> > jesus.and there are > > others that dont as well.but if i did cure my hep> c > > and the test was > > right everyone would drop what there doing and get> > it as the word > > spread about the herbs and how they cured hep c> > millions of people > > would flock to the stores true?ok well jesus saved> > > me from death he > > pulled me from satans crasps and took away a 17> year> > drug addiction > > and allowed me to be a father again,and still have> a> > brain left to > > think.so if i dont tell all what a great and> mighty > > jesus i have how > > can you get cured!!!!> > > > > > Tim Parsons > > > > > > knoxville,tn 37931 > > > > > > 865-588-2465 x107 work> > > > > > > > > www.knoxville1.com> > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. > > Check it out.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gavriela de Boer> de Boer Design> 505 897 3214> 410 446 6333> > __________________________________________________ > Quote
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Posted September 26, 2006 oops, sorry. running off to stand in the corner with my tail tucked securely between my legs. BUT I still very much resent and am offended by the message itself, even if it is off-topic. You claim you didn't say I (or any other non-Christian) was evil or wicked--but that is precisely what the message implies. Anyway Tim, just forget the whole thing. I'm tired of trying to explain why these types of messages are so infuriating. I know you mean well, and I guess I'll just have to overlook the the OT stuff or I'll go nuts. Your friend, Gavriela --- Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@...> wrote: > she sent her reply today gav.she said she was a > christian,hence the subject line.2nd i never said > you where wicked.or evil or anyone else here.if your > god or non god beliefs are for the good of mankind > thats not evil.wicca is haromny and nature and the > earth thats all good.but ill leave it at that as a > christian she should know that .so this was a > statement not a attack on anyone > > Gavriela de Boer <gavrieladeboer@...> wrote: > Tim, > > I hope this will be the last time I will feel > compelled address this issue on this forum again. In > sending this message out, you demonstrate a complete > lack of understanding for what several of us have > respectfully expressed to you in previous postings. > > While I am extremely offended by the language of > this > message (it implies that because I am not Christian, > I'm evil) I am not leaving the list because there is > still good HCV info here and I'm not going to cut > off > my nose to spite my own face. > > However, for the record I am annoyed, offended and > really distressed that you would post this message > after all the discussions that have taken place on > this VERY OFF-TOPIC subject. knowing it might > generate > more upsetting OT discussions that shouldn't even be > taking place here. > > Thank goodness that I am not currently on treatment, > because this would have upset me too much to stay on > this list. > > Still wishing you the best despite your > characterization of me as EVIL and WICKED), > Gavriela > > --- Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@...> wrote: > > > SHOULD CHRISTIAN MORALS INFLUENCE PUBLIC LIFE? > > Many Americans have believed the lie that we > > should not allow those who practice Christian > > religious morals to impose those good principles > on > > the public. What is wrong with influencing the > > public with good? True Biblical standards will > > always create an environment for the good of all, > > while wicked standards will allow evil to overcome > > good. If Christian and Biblical moral practices > are > > not incorporated into our national life, evil men > > will impose upon us their wicked interpretation of > > " freedom " i.e., the right to do evil in the name > of > > freedom. > > > > > > lia godfrey <liagodfrey@...> wrote: > > Exactly Tim, I am with Ron on this discussion, I > > happen to be a Christian, but would never expouse > my > > beliefs, towards others, as it is an extremely > > personal issue, faith and belief in God. How would > > you feel if Ron said 'I am saddened that Tim does > > not believe in allah'? Maybe it would be better to > > admit that your personal faith, is what drives > you, > > and leave it at that, you cannot claim to have > found > > the best belief, and expect everybody else, to > share > > your beliefs, there may be a christian site where > > you can discuss healing, including your beliefs, > but > > otherwise, it is not inclusive to bring a > particular > > religion and belief into a site that may include > > varying faiths, and also atheism. It is very > > patronising to be sad for Ron if he doesn't share > > your faith, and also very domineering. Neither of > > which traits would be condoned within in the > > Christian faith?- Despite sharing your 'faith', > this > > is not really the site to > > share it. Yours respectfully, Bontinini. > > On 9/23/06, Gavriela de Boer > > <gavrieladeboer@...> wrote: Dear > > Tim, > > > > I agree with Ron that you are doing great work for > > yourself and that your contributions to this forum > > are > > wonderful. > > > > However, like Ron, I too feel very uncomfortable > > when > > you express sadness for Ron and others who " didn't > > > know Jesus. " When someone expresses ideas like > this, > > it feels to me like proselytizing, an activity > which > > I > > find offensive in general and in this forum in > > particular. > > > > I believe that you, Tim, are sensitive to others' > > feelings and would never knowingly or > intentionally > > say anything offensive. And I'm glad that you have > > found something to believe in that gives you > > strength. > > Because I'm happy for you and respect you, I > usually > > > > just stop reading the minute I see the > proselytizing > > > > and move on to other posts. > > > > To be clear: I support everyone's right to believe > > in > > anything they want. But religious beliefs are very > > personal, and while I think it's perfectly > > appropriate > > for you or anyone to express gratitude to Jesus, > > Buddah, Mohammed, Allah, Yahweh...whomever...it is > > totally inappropriate to express sadness or any > kind > > of feeling--positive or negative--about someone > who > > doesn't share a particular belief system. > > > > Respectfully and with all best wishes to everyone, > > Gavriela > > > > --- ronekarp <Rekarp@...> wrote: > > > > > I wonder how anyone on this list can think that > it > > > > > is ok to be > > > talking about my personal beliefs in this public > > > forum on HepC. Tim - > > > I think you're doing great work for yourself and > > > sharing with this > > > forum, but I find it extremely offensive that > you > > > would post that you > > > are saddened that I don't know jesus. My > spiritual > > > and healing paths > > > are mine and have nothing to do with this list > and > > I > > > do not > > > appreciate them being brought out into this > public > > > > > forum. It is > > > disrespectful. > > > > > > I think what you're saying below is that Jesus > is > > a > > > cure for HepC. If > > > this group wants to embrace that as one of the > > cures > > > then you're > > > welcome to do that. Just please put it in the > > > guidelines so others > > > will know. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > very well said barb.and thanks.i have thought > > alot > > > about this and > > > prayed.rons a great person as we know by his > > > posts.but it does > > > saddened me to think that ron does not know > > > jesus.and there are > > > others that dont as well.but if i did cure my > hep > > c > > > and the test was > > > right everyone would drop what there doing and > get > > > it as the word > > > spread about the herbs and how they cured hep c > > > millions of people > > > would flock to the stores true?ok well jesus > saved > > > > > me from death he > === message truncated === Gavriela de Boer de Boer Design 505 897 3214 410 446 6333 __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Posted September 26, 2006 thanks gav.just curious you say you got a tail? lolGavriela de Boer <gavrieladeboer@...> wrote: oops, sorry. running off to stand in the corner withmy tail tucked securely between my legs. BUT I still very much resent and am offended by themessage itself, even if it is off-topic. You claim youdidn't say I (or any other non-Christian) was evil orwicked--but that is precisely what the messageimplies. Anyway Tim, just forget the whole thing. I'm tired oftrying to explain why these types of messages are soinfuriating. I know you mean well, and I guess I'lljust have to overlook the the OT stuff or I'll gonuts.Your friend,Gavriela--- Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1 > wrote:> she sent her reply today gav.she said she was a> christian,hence the subject line.2nd i never said> you where wicked.or evil or anyone else here.if your> god or non god beliefs are for the good of mankind> thats not evil.wicca is haromny and nature and the> earth thats all good.but ill leave it at that as a> christian she should know that .so this was a> statement not a attack on anyone > > Gavriela de Boer <gavrieladeboer > wrote: > Tim,> > I hope this will be the last time I will feel> compelled address this issue on this forum again. In> sending this message out, you demonstrate a complete> lack of understanding for what several of us have> respectfully expressed to you in previous postings. > > While I am extremely offended by the language of> this> message (it implies that because I am not Christian,> I'm evil) I am not leaving the list because there is> still good HCV info here and I'm not going to cut> off> my nose to spite my own face. > > However, for the record I am annoyed, offended and> really distressed that you would post this message> after all the discussions that have taken place on> this VERY OFF-TOPIC subject. knowing it might> generate> more upsetting OT discussions that shouldn't even be> taking place here.> > Thank goodness that I am not currently on treatment,> because this would have upset me too much to stay on> this list.> > Still wishing you the best despite your> characterization of me as EVIL and WICKED), > Gavriela> > --- Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1 > wrote:> > > SHOULD CHRISTIAN MORALS INFLUENCE PUBLIC LIFE? > > Many Americans have believed the lie that we> > should not allow those who practice Christian> > religious morals to impose those good principles> on> > the public. What is wrong with influencing the> > public with good? True Biblical standards will> > always create an environment for the good of all,> > while wicked standards will allow evil to overcome> > good. If Christian and Biblical moral practices> are> > not incorporated into our national life, evil men> > will impose upon us their wicked interpretation of> > "freedom" i.e., the right to do evil in the name> of> > freedom.> > > > > > lia godfrey <liagodfreygmail> wrote: > > Exactly Tim, I am with Ron on this discussion, I> > happen to be a Christian, but would never expouse> my> > beliefs, towards others, as it is an extremely> > personal issue, faith and belief in God. How would> > you feel if Ron said 'I am saddened that Tim does> > not believe in allah'? Maybe it would be better to> > admit that your personal faith, is what drives> you,> > and leave it at that, you cannot claim to have> found> > the best belief, and expect everybody else, to> share> > your beliefs, there may be a christian site where> > you can discuss healing, including your beliefs,> but> > otherwise, it is not inclusive to bring a> particular> > religion and belief into a site that may include> > varying faiths, and also atheism. It is very> > patronising to be sad for Ron if he doesn't share> > your faith, and also very domineering. Neither of> > which traits would be condoned within in the> > Christian faith?- Despite sharing your 'faith',> this> > is not really the site to> > share it. Yours respectfully, Bontinini. > > On 9/23/06, Gavriela de Boer> > <gavrieladeboer > wrote: Dear> > Tim,> > > > I agree with Ron that you are doing great work for> > yourself and that your contributions to this forum> > are> > wonderful. > > > > However, like Ron, I too feel very uncomfortable> > when> > you express sadness for Ron and others who "didn't> > > know Jesus." When someone expresses ideas like> this,> > it feels to me like proselytizing, an activity> which> > I> > find offensive in general and in this forum in> > particular. > > > > I believe that you, Tim, are sensitive to others' > > feelings and would never knowingly or> intentionally> > say anything offensive. And I'm glad that you have> > found something to believe in that gives you> > strength.> > Because I'm happy for you and respect you, I> usually> > > > just stop reading the minute I see the> proselytizing> > > > and move on to other posts.> > > > To be clear: I support everyone's right to believe> > in> > anything they want. But religious beliefs are very> > personal, and while I think it's perfectly> > appropriate > > for you or anyone to express gratitude to Jesus,> > Buddah, Mohammed, Allah, Yahweh...whomever...it is> > totally inappropriate to express sadness or any> kind> > of feeling--positive or negative--about someone> who> > doesn't share a particular belief system.> > > > Respectfully and with all best wishes to everyone,> > Gavriela > > > > --- ronekarp <Rekarp@...> wrote:> > > > > I wonder how anyone on this list can think that> it> > > > > is ok to be > > > talking about my personal beliefs in this public> > > forum on HepC. Tim - > > > I think you're doing great work for yourself and> > > sharing with this > > > forum, but I find it extremely offensive that> you > > > would post that you > > > are saddened that I don't know jesus. My> spiritual> > > and healing paths > > > are mine and have nothing to do with this list> and> > I> > > do not > > > appreciate them being brought out into this> public> > > > > forum. It is > > > disrespectful.> > > > > > I think what you're saying below is that Jesus> is> > a> > > cure for HepC. If > > > this group wants to embrace that as one of the> > cures> > > then you're > > > welcome to do that. Just please put it in the> > > guidelines so others > > > will know.> > > > > > Ron> > > > > > >> > > > very well said barb.and thanks.i have thought> > alot> > > about this and > > > prayed.rons a great person as we know by his> > > posts.but it does > > > saddened me to think that ron does not know> > > jesus.and there are > > > others that dont as well.but if i did cure my> hep> > c > > > and the test was > > > right everyone would drop what there doing and> get> > > it as the word > > > spread about the herbs and how they cured hep c> > > millions of people > > > would flock to the stores true?ok well jesus> saved> > > > > me from death he > === message truncated ===Gavriela de Boerde Boer Design505 897 3214410 446 6333__________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Posted September 26, 2006 figuratively, you could say so. Let's just agree to disagree and make up, okay? --- Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@...> wrote: > thanks gav.just curious you say you got a tail? lol > > Gavriela de Boer <gavrieladeboer@...> wrote: > oops, sorry. running off to stand in the > corner with > my tail tucked securely between my legs. > > BUT I still very much resent and am offended by the > message itself, even if it is off-topic. You claim > you > didn't say I (or any other non-Christian) was evil > or > wicked--but that is precisely what the message > implies. > > Anyway Tim, just forget the whole thing. I'm tired > of > trying to explain why these types of messages are so > infuriating. I know you mean well, and I guess I'll > just have to overlook the the OT stuff or I'll go > nuts. > Your friend, > Gavriela > > --- Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@...> wrote: > > > she sent her reply today gav.she said she was a > > christian,hence the subject line.2nd i never said > > you where wicked.or evil or anyone else here.if > your > > god or non god beliefs are for the good of mankind > > thats not evil.wicca is haromny and nature and the > > earth thats all good.but ill leave it at that as a > > christian she should know that .so this was a > > statement not a attack on anyone > > > > Gavriela de Boer <gavrieladeboer@...> wrote: > > > Tim, > > > > I hope this will be the last time I will feel > > compelled address this issue on this forum again. > In > > sending this message out, you demonstrate a > complete > > lack of understanding for what several of us have > > respectfully expressed to you in previous > postings. > > > > While I am extremely offended by the language of > > this > > message (it implies that because I am not > Christian, > > I'm evil) I am not leaving the list because there > is > > still good HCV info here and I'm not going to cut > > off > > my nose to spite my own face. > > > > However, for the record I am annoyed, offended and > > really distressed that you would post this message > > after all the discussions that have taken place on > > this VERY OFF-TOPIC subject. knowing it might > > generate > > more upsetting OT discussions that shouldn't even > be > > taking place here. > > > > Thank goodness that I am not currently on > treatment, > > because this would have upset me too much to stay > on > > this list. > > > > Still wishing you the best despite your > > characterization of me as EVIL and WICKED), > > Gavriela > > > > --- Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@...> wrote: > > > > > SHOULD CHRISTIAN MORALS INFLUENCE PUBLIC LIFE? > > > Many Americans have believed the lie that we > > > should not allow those who practice Christian > > > religious morals to impose those good principles > > on > > > the public. What is wrong with influencing the > > > public with good? True Biblical standards will > > > always create an environment for the good of > all, > > > while wicked standards will allow evil to > overcome > > > good. If Christian and Biblical moral practices > > are > > > not incorporated into our national life, evil > men > > > will impose upon us their wicked interpretation > of > > > " freedom " i.e., the right to do evil in the name > > of > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > > lia godfrey <liagodfrey@...> wrote: > > > Exactly Tim, I am with Ron on this discussion, I > > > happen to be a Christian, but would never > expouse > > my > > > beliefs, towards others, as it is an extremely > > > personal issue, faith and belief in God. How > would > > > you feel if Ron said 'I am saddened that Tim > does > > > not believe in allah'? Maybe it would be better > to > > > admit that your personal faith, is what drives > > you, > > > and leave it at that, you cannot claim to have > > found > > > the best belief, and expect everybody else, to > > share > > > your beliefs, there may be a christian site > where > > > you can discuss healing, including your beliefs, > > but > > > otherwise, it is not inclusive to bring a > > particular > > > religion and belief into a site that may include > > > varying faiths, and also atheism. It is very > > > patronising to be sad for Ron if he doesn't > share > > > your faith, and also very domineering. Neither > of > > > which traits would be condoned within in the > > > Christian faith?- Despite sharing your 'faith', > > this > > > is not really the site to > > > share it. Yours respectfully, Bontinini. > > > On 9/23/06, Gavriela de Boer > > > <gavrieladeboer@...> wrote: Dear > > > Tim, > > > > > > I agree with Ron that you are doing great work > for > > > yourself and that your contributions to this > forum > > > are > > > wonderful. > > > > > > However, like Ron, I too feel very uncomfortable > > > when > > > you express sadness for Ron and others who > " didn't > > > > > know Jesus. " When someone expresses ideas like > > this, > > > it feels to me like proselytizing, an activity > > which > > > I > > > find offensive in general and in this forum in > > > particular. > > > > > > I believe that you, Tim, are sensitive to > others' > > > feelings and would never knowingly or > > intentionally > > > say anything offensive. And I'm glad that you > have > > > found something to believe in that gives you > > > strength. > > > Because I'm happy for you and respect you, I > > usually > > > > > > just stop reading the minute I see the > > proselytizing > > > > > > and move on to other posts. > > > > > > To be clear: I support everyone's right to > believe > > > in > > > anything they want. But religious beliefs are > very > > > personal, and while I think it's perfectly > > > appropriate > > > for you or anyone to express gratitude to Jesus, > > > Buddah, Mohammed, Allah, Yahweh...whomever...it > is > > > totally inappropriate to express sadness or any > > kind > > > of feeling--positive or negative--about someone > > who > > > doesn't share a particular belief system. > > > > > > Respectfully and with all best wishes to > everyone, > > > Gavriela > > > > > > --- ronekarp <Rekarp@...> wrote: > > > > > > > I wonder how anyone on this list can think > that > === message truncated === Gavriela de Boer de Boer Design 505 897 3214 410 446 6333 __________________________________________________ Quote
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