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Yes, 300 is a very high ALT.

How the disease progresses is up to you, how you take care of yourself, what you choose to put in your body. Deal with it now, and it won't run your life.

Don't be afraid, andn don't let anyone scare you into anything. You can't ignore HCV, but you can beat it...safely, naturally without drugs.

Your body is designed to heal itself provided the proper nutritional tools for the job.

I recoverd from HCV after 28 years and reaching the symptoms of end stage. I neve took care of myself and ate junk food my whole life and I nearly died by age 38. When I recoverd I did it in less than a year and am healthier now than I have been my whole life. I didn't use drugs or have a transplant.

You can recover from HCV Naturally. People do it everyday.

Peace, Jeanine

http://hepchelp.homestead.com

First they ignore you,

then they laugh at you,

then they fight you,

then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi

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Graham,

There are hundreds of helpful sites for persons with HCV on the internet.

This site at this time is not. Although there are some wonderful people here

there are also others. The most informative site for the questions you have

posed would be the ones I've listed below.

CANHepC/

Hepatitis CLEARINGAndClear/

Hepatitis C/

hepcan/

These groups have very knowledgeable people who would love to assist you

with answers to your questions. If you are looking for info I recommend the

below link as it has most of the info you are looking for.

http://members.rogers.com/smking/

Andy

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Graham,

You are about to recieve a peraonal letter from Miss London or Jeff .

They might change their names so be aware of their tactics. Jeanine will

claim she has been cured of HCV and for about $400.00 so can you. Rate this

email below all the more hair, longer wider and give your woman pleasure

spam.

Listen to people who are giving of there time and have no interest in your

money.

Andy

Jeanine London wrote:

Yes, 300 is a very high ALT.

How the disease progresses is up to you, how you take care of yourself,

what you choose to put in your body. Deal with it now, and it won't run

your life.

Don't be afraid, andn don't let anyone scare you into anything. You

can't ignore HCV, but you can beat it...safely, naturally without drugs.

Your body is designed to heal itself provided the proper nutritional

tools for the job.

I recoverd from HCV after 28 years and reaching the symptoms of end

stage. I neve took care of myself and ate junk food my whole life and I

nearly died by age 38. When I recoverd I did it in less than a year and

am healthier now than I have been my whole life. I didn't use drugs or have

a transplant.

You can recover from HCV Naturally. People do it everyday.

Peace, Jeanine

http://hepchelp.homestead.com

First they ignore you,

then they laugh at you,

then they fight you,

then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi

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> >Hi, im wondering if there are any sites that discuss youth and

young >people with hcv.... Im interested in studies on progression of

>fibrosis, etc... How long can one go with virus without significant

>fibrosis? > >Also, ALT levels.. is 300 very high? i was in the

low-mid 100's but >now I've skyrocketed to 292! > >thanks! >

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Jeanine,

Your recovery included clearing the virus.

I assume you were saying that people everyday are clearing (recovering) the

virus. The exception to the rule does not prove the rule. People do not clear

the virus everyday via natural means, unfortunately.

I focus on quality of life issues; of

which naturals do a tremendous job in the majority of cases. I am healthier

than I have ever been since I started my HCV specific protocol. This is

significant since I have been involved with my own natural foods store,

restaurant, distribution companies and consulting businesses for 35 years. I am

not a newcomer to eating a natural diet.

I am interested in documenting cases of

natural means to deal with HCV, up to clearance of the virus. Of the hundreds

of folk that I have talked with, you are one of the few exceptions. I know that

you know of a couple of others who seemed to have cleared the virus. We are in

the process of doing a video on treating HCV via naturals so perhaps we can

continue this thread offline.

My reason to write is to put the possibility

of a natural clearance in balance so the newbie will not be given a false hope.

There are some documented cases but I assure you they are in the vast minority.

One must qualify this point. I like to think that one can improve their quality

of life to the point that the virus becomes irrelevant, cleared or not…

In Health!

JWE

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young people with HCV

Yes, 300 is a very high ALT.

How the disease progresses is up to you, how you take

care of yourself, what you choose to put in your body. Deal with it now,

and it won't run your life.

Don't be afraid, andn don't let anyone scare you into

anything. You can't ignore HCV, but you can beat it...safely, naturally

without drugs.

Your body is designed to heal itself provided the

proper nutritional tools for the job.

I recoverd from HCV after 28 years and reaching the

symptoms of end stage. I neve took care of myself and ate junk food my

whole life and I nearly died by age 38. When I recoverd I did it in less

than a year and am healthier now than I have been my whole life. I didn't

use drugs or have a transplant.

You can recover from HCV Naturally. People do it

everyday.

Peace,

Jeanine

http://hepchelp.homestead.com

First they ignore you,

then they laugh at you,

then they fight you,

then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi

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this is such utter nonsense

[ ] young people with HCV >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:56:42 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.21.16.178 >Received: from n5.grp.scd. ([66.218.66.89]) by mc10-f4.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:57:32 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n5.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:45 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: (qmail 67687 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd. with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd. with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n6.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP >X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-Sender: gstreet@... >X-Apparently- >Message-ID: >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Message Poster >X--Profile: rb211c >Mailing-List: list ; contact -owner >Delivered-mailing list >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2003 02:57:32.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1972E90:01C2F59E] > >Hi, im wondering if there are any sites that discuss youth and young >people with hcv.... Im interested in studies on progression of >fibrosis, etc... How long can one go with virus without significant >fibrosis? > >Also, ALT levels.. is 300 very high? i was in the low-mid 100's but >now I've skyrocketed to 292! > >thanks! >

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I like the last line of this post---really it's the most important one.......Satya

RE: [ ] young people with HCV

Jeanine,

Your recovery included clearing the virus. I assume you were saying that people everyday are clearing (recovering) the virus. The exception to the rule does not prove the rule. People do not clear the virus everyday via natural means, unfortunately.

I focus on quality of life issues; of which naturals do a tremendous job in the majority of cases. I am healthier than I have ever been since I started my HCV specific protocol. This is significant since I have been involved with my own natural foods store, restaurant, distribution companies and consulting businesses for 35 years. I am not a newcomer to eating a natural diet.

I am interested in documenting cases of natural means to deal with HCV, up to clearance of the virus. Of the hundreds of folk that I have talked with, you are one of the few exceptions. I know that you know of a couple of others who seemed to have cleared the virus. We are in the process of doing a video on treating HCV via naturals so perhaps we can continue this thread offline.

My reason to write is to put the possibility of a natural clearance in balance so the newbie will not be given a false hope. There are some documented cases but I assure you they are in the vast minority. One must qualify this point. I like to think that one can improve their quality of life to the point that the virus becomes irrelevant, cleared or not…

In Health!

JWE

-----Original Message-----From: Jeanine London [mailto:hepc@...] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [ ] young people with HCV

Yes, 300 is a very high ALT.

How the disease progresses is up to you, how you take care of yourself, what you choose to put in your body. Deal with it now, and it won't run your life.

Don't be afraid, andn don't let anyone scare you into anything. You can't ignore HCV, but you can beat it...safely, naturally without drugs.

Your body is designed to heal itself provided the proper nutritional tools for the job.

I recoverd from HCV after 28 years and reaching the symptoms of end stage. I neve took care of myself and ate junk food my whole life and I nearly died by age 38. When I recoverd I did it in less than a year and am healthier now than I have been my whole life. I didn't use drugs or have a transplant.

You can recover from HCV Naturally. People do it everyday.

Peace, Jeanine

http://hepchelp.homestead.com

First they ignore you,

then they laugh at you,

then they fight you,

then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi

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graham,

be careful of these natural scam artists here and do go to other hep c support groups and medical professionals

best,

scott

[ ] young people with HCV >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:56:42 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.21.16.178 >Received: from n5.grp.scd. ([66.218.66.89]) by mc10-f4.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:57:32 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n5.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:45 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: (qmail 67687 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd. with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd. with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n6.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP >X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-Sender: gstreet@... >X-Apparently- >Message-ID: >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Message Poster >X--Profile: rb211c >Mailing-List: list ; contact -owner >Delivered-mailing list >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2003 02:57:32.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1972E90:01C2F59E] > >Hi, im wondering if there are any sites that discuss youth and young >people with hcv.... Im interested in studies on progression of >fibrosis, etc... How long can one go with virus without significant >fibrosis? > >Also, ALT levels.. is 300 very high? i was in the low-mid 100's but >now I've skyrocketed to 292! > >thanks! >

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I'm also in total agreement with the last line. By using the word " cure "

one places expectations on product introduced into the body. As to the

products origin, allo, traditional or wherever the products origin is

moot. Personally this leads to either success or failure when using

product where the expected result is a " cure " . The current trend in allo

meds, pegalated interferons suggest the percentages for success are not

that great when one considers the many divisions of HCV. You may have

the most effective weaponry in the world, but if your troops don't

understand the enemy, and are unprepared for battle, failure is often

the outcome. My understanding is only 20% of those with hcv may expect a

successful outcome with the current allo combo meds available. The

implication that some have failed to respond places blame on the person

who failed to respond.

Many countries are introducing alternative meds the mix using for of a

HIV model for treatment of hcv. In my life I have found some good things

that without hcv I would have not enjoyed. Most importantly is my kids

who I actually had the pleasure to share many moments I would have

missed if I was working full time. I have had time to set up a dark

room, spent hours enjoying my musical side and have found the time to

pursue activities that time would not have allowed if I had continued on

my pre hcv path.

I appreciate Jay's many posts as he speaks to an area that hcv semantics

failed to address. Words such as fail, cure, non-responder, sustain, non

traditional, alternative and others may have a place in the hcv clinics

but in day to day use they serve no purpose. We own the disease, not the

pharms, docs or the organizations who advocate for hcv impacted persons.

Collectively this group and many others can provide more info on hcv

than any group of docs, any place, any time.

Those who use my name as to infer I am am promoting the use of Schering

or Roche's products may find this humorous. I do not. My indication that

some support groups in Canada receive funding from these groups does in

no way imply support. Unfortunately hcv is one of hundreds of disease

groups, and frankly, most people don't give a shit about hcv or most

other disease for that matter. The criminal matter I referred to is a

FBI investigation and the number is real. If I can sniff the internet

address of the person using my name, I suspect the FBI can do the same.

Govern yourself accordingly.

To the disdain of some I will continue to interfere with those who use

peoples fears to sell miracles. As for those who use other than allo

meds there are many in the hcv community who are looking for advice and

peoples experience with herbals and other means of dealing with the

disease. To have one person's greed place suspicion upon others is not

helpful for anyone. People are looking for advice and support for the

treatment of hcv, not a sales pitch for water.

Andy

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boy you two will stop at nothing to ruin this group......I feel so bad for people who just want to learn about the treatments out there and run into THIS bullshit--you two guys should be ashamed of yourselves................

[ ] young people with HCV >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:56:42 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.21.16.178 >Received: from n5.grp.scd. ([66.218.66.89]) by mc10-f4.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:57:32 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n5.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:45 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: (qmail 67687 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd. with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd. with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n6.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP >X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-Sender: gstreet@... >X-Apparently- >Message-ID: >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Message Poster >X--Profile: rb211c >Mailing-List: list ; contact -owner >Delivered-mailing list >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2003 02:57:32.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1972E90:01C2F59E] > >Hi, im wondering if there are any sites that discuss youth and young >people with hcv.... Im interested in studies on progression of >fibrosis, etc... How long can one go with virus without significant >fibrosis? > >Also, ALT levels.. is 300 very high? i was in the low-mid 100's but >now I've skyrocketed to 292! > >thanks! >

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You are so right, Satya. That was a very inhuman thing for us to do. But what you fail to understand is, Big and I have an obligation to limit people's choices. Big is obliged to perpetuate his ignorance, and I, well I am simply so superior, you all should be grateful I am here to save you. But I am merely following orders.

If people are allowed to think for themselves, they will realise they are being poisoned and defrauded, and that will run me out of business, and we will loose our advertising sponsors. And we cannot have that!

That boy had no right to think he could choose for himself. He must follow lock step behind Big and I as we march toward our graves. I refuse to die alone!

Shame? Shame pays the bills. Our Pharm training requires us to put proifts ahead of human life. This is true honor, and the source of all wealth in the modern age. This is probably why miss london is such a loser and has no money.

We did not create & infect you with HCV so we could cure you of it. We created HCV to enslave you and separate you from your assets. Then, when you have failed three rounds of tx and given us our $100,000 you are allowed to die.

It would be silly of us to allow the young seeker to find real answers and lose our investment.

Shame? On the contrary. I am being honored by all the other Pharm minions in a blood sacrifice tonight....not all babies die of HCV, afterall.

Come die with me,

Andy

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boy you two will stop at nothing to ruin this group......I feel so bad for people who just want to learn about the treatments out there and run into THIS bullshit--you two guys should be ashamed of yourselves................

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Graham,You are about to recieve a peraonal letter from Miss London or Jeff . They might change their names so be aware of their tactics. Jeanine will claim she has been cured of HCV and for about $400.00 so can you. Rate this email below all the more hair, longer wider and give your woman pleasure spam.Listen to people who are giving of there time and have no interest in your money.AndyJeanine London wrote:

Yes, 300 is a very high ALT.

How the disease progresses is up to you, how you take care of yourself, what you choose to put in your body. Deal with it now, and it won't run your life.

Don't be afraid, andn don't let anyone scare you into anything. You can't ignore HCV, but you can beat it...safely, naturally without drugs.

Your body is designed to heal itself provided the proper nutritional tools for the job.

I recoverd from HCV after 28 years and reaching the symptoms of end stage. I neve took care of myself and ate junk food my whole life and I nearly died by age 38. When I recoverd I did it in less than a year and am healthier now than I have been my whole life. I didn't use drugs or have a transplant.

You can recover from HCV Naturally. People do it everyday.

Peace, Jeanine

http://hepchelp.homestead.com

First they ignore you,

then they laugh at you,

then they fight you,

then you win.

Mahatma Ghandi

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