Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 Yes, 300 is a very high ALT. How the disease progresses is up to you, how you take care of yourself, what you choose to put in your body. Deal with it now, and it won't run your life. Don't be afraid, andn don't let anyone scare you into anything. You can't ignore HCV, but you can beat it...safely, naturally without drugs. Your body is designed to heal itself provided the proper nutritional tools for the job. I recoverd from HCV after 28 years and reaching the symptoms of end stage. I neve took care of myself and ate junk food my whole life and I nearly died by age 38. When I recoverd I did it in less than a year and am healthier now than I have been my whole life. I didn't use drugs or have a transplant. You can recover from HCV Naturally. People do it everyday. Peace, Jeanine http://hepchelp.homestead.com First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Ghandi >From: "Graham" >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] young people with HCV >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:56:42 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.21.16.178 >Received: from n5.grp.scd. ([66.218.66.89]) by mc10-f4.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:57:32 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n5.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:45 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: (qmail 67687 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd. with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd. with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n6.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP >X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-Sender: gstreet@... >X-Apparently- >Message-ID: >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Message Poster >X--Profile: rb211c >Mailing-List: list ; contact -owner >Delivered-mailing list >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2003 02:57:32.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1972E90:01C2F59E] > >Hi, im wondering if there are any sites that discuss youth and young >people with hcv.... Im interested in studies on progression of >fibrosis, etc... How long can one go with virus without significant >fibrosis? > >Also, ALT levels.. is 300 very high? i was in the low-mid 100's but >now I've skyrocketed to 292! > >thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 Graham, There are hundreds of helpful sites for persons with HCV on the internet. This site at this time is not. Although there are some wonderful people here there are also others. The most informative site for the questions you have posed would be the ones I've listed below. CANHepC/ Hepatitis CLEARINGAndClear/ Hepatitis C/ hepcan/ These groups have very knowledgeable people who would love to assist you with answers to your questions. If you are looking for info I recommend the below link as it has most of the info you are looking for. http://members.rogers.com/smking/ Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 Graham, You are about to recieve a peraonal letter from Miss London or Jeff . They might change their names so be aware of their tactics. Jeanine will claim she has been cured of HCV and for about $400.00 so can you. Rate this email below all the more hair, longer wider and give your woman pleasure spam. Listen to people who are giving of there time and have no interest in your money. Andy Jeanine London wrote: Yes, 300 is a very high ALT. How the disease progresses is up to you, how you take care of yourself, what you choose to put in your body. Deal with it now, and it won't run your life. Don't be afraid, andn don't let anyone scare you into anything. You can't ignore HCV, but you can beat it...safely, naturally without drugs. Your body is designed to heal itself provided the proper nutritional tools for the job. I recoverd from HCV after 28 years and reaching the symptoms of end stage. I neve took care of myself and ate junk food my whole life and I nearly died by age 38. When I recoverd I did it in less than a year and am healthier now than I have been my whole life. I didn't use drugs or have a transplant. You can recover from HCV Naturally. People do it everyday. Peace, Jeanine http://hepchelp.homestead.com First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Ghandi >From: "Graham" >Reply-To: > >Subject: [ ] young people with HCV >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:56:42 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.21.16.178 >Received: from n5.grp.scd. ([66.218.66.89]) by mc10-f4.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:57:32 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n5.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:45 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: (qmail 67687 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd. with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd. with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n6.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP >X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-Sender: gstreet@... >X-Apparently- >Message-ID: >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Message Poster >X--Profile: rb211c >Mailing-List: list ; contact -owner >Delivered-mailing list >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2003 02:57:32.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1972E90:01C2F59E] > >Hi, im wondering if there are any sites that discuss youth and young >people with hcv.... Im interested in studies on progression of >fibrosis, etc... How long can one go with virus without significant >fibrosis? > >Also, ALT levels.. is 300 very high? i was in the low-mid 100's but >now I've skyrocketed to 292! > >thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 Jeanine, Your recovery included clearing the virus. I assume you were saying that people everyday are clearing (recovering) the virus. The exception to the rule does not prove the rule. People do not clear the virus everyday via natural means, unfortunately. I focus on quality of life issues; of which naturals do a tremendous job in the majority of cases. I am healthier than I have ever been since I started my HCV specific protocol. This is significant since I have been involved with my own natural foods store, restaurant, distribution companies and consulting businesses for 35 years. I am not a newcomer to eating a natural diet. I am interested in documenting cases of natural means to deal with HCV, up to clearance of the virus. Of the hundreds of folk that I have talked with, you are one of the few exceptions. I know that you know of a couple of others who seemed to have cleared the virus. We are in the process of doing a video on treating HCV via naturals so perhaps we can continue this thread offline. My reason to write is to put the possibility of a natural clearance in balance so the newbie will not be given a false hope. There are some documented cases but I assure you they are in the vast minority. One must qualify this point. I like to think that one can improve their quality of life to the point that the virus becomes irrelevant, cleared or not… In Health! JWE Re: [ ] young people with HCV Yes, 300 is a very high ALT. How the disease progresses is up to you, how you take care of yourself, what you choose to put in your body. Deal with it now, and it won't run your life. Don't be afraid, andn don't let anyone scare you into anything. You can't ignore HCV, but you can beat it...safely, naturally without drugs. Your body is designed to heal itself provided the proper nutritional tools for the job. I recoverd from HCV after 28 years and reaching the symptoms of end stage. I neve took care of myself and ate junk food my whole life and I nearly died by age 38. When I recoverd I did it in less than a year and am healthier now than I have been my whole life. I didn't use drugs or have a transplant. You can recover from HCV Naturally. People do it everyday. Peace, Jeanine http://hepchelp.homestead.com First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Ghandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 this is such utter nonsense [ ] young people with HCV >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:56:42 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.21.16.178 >Received: from n5.grp.scd. ([66.218.66.89]) by mc10-f4.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:57:32 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n5.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:45 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: (qmail 67687 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd. with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd. with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n6.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP >X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-Sender: gstreet@... >X-Apparently- >Message-ID: >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Message Poster >X--Profile: rb211c >Mailing-List: list ; contact -owner >Delivered-mailing list >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2003 02:57:32.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1972E90:01C2F59E] > >Hi, im wondering if there are any sites that discuss youth and young >people with hcv.... Im interested in studies on progression of >fibrosis, etc... How long can one go with virus without significant >fibrosis? > >Also, ALT levels.. is 300 very high? i was in the low-mid 100's but >now I've skyrocketed to 292! > >thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2003 Report Share Posted March 29, 2003 I like the last line of this post---really it's the most important one.......Satya RE: [ ] young people with HCV Jeanine, Your recovery included clearing the virus. I assume you were saying that people everyday are clearing (recovering) the virus. The exception to the rule does not prove the rule. People do not clear the virus everyday via natural means, unfortunately. I focus on quality of life issues; of which naturals do a tremendous job in the majority of cases. I am healthier than I have ever been since I started my HCV specific protocol. This is significant since I have been involved with my own natural foods store, restaurant, distribution companies and consulting businesses for 35 years. I am not a newcomer to eating a natural diet. I am interested in documenting cases of natural means to deal with HCV, up to clearance of the virus. Of the hundreds of folk that I have talked with, you are one of the few exceptions. I know that you know of a couple of others who seemed to have cleared the virus. We are in the process of doing a video on treating HCV via naturals so perhaps we can continue this thread offline. My reason to write is to put the possibility of a natural clearance in balance so the newbie will not be given a false hope. There are some documented cases but I assure you they are in the vast minority. One must qualify this point. I like to think that one can improve their quality of life to the point that the virus becomes irrelevant, cleared or not… In Health! JWE -----Original Message-----From: Jeanine London [mailto:hepc@...] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [ ] young people with HCV Yes, 300 is a very high ALT. How the disease progresses is up to you, how you take care of yourself, what you choose to put in your body. Deal with it now, and it won't run your life. Don't be afraid, andn don't let anyone scare you into anything. You can't ignore HCV, but you can beat it...safely, naturally without drugs. Your body is designed to heal itself provided the proper nutritional tools for the job. I recoverd from HCV after 28 years and reaching the symptoms of end stage. I neve took care of myself and ate junk food my whole life and I nearly died by age 38. When I recoverd I did it in less than a year and am healthier now than I have been my whole life. I didn't use drugs or have a transplant. You can recover from HCV Naturally. People do it everyday. Peace, Jeanine http://hepchelp.homestead.com First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Ghandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2003 Report Share Posted March 29, 2003 Absolutely, Satya. I wish I could put things as succinctly and clearly as some others can. Karolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2003 Report Share Posted March 29, 2003 graham, be careful of these natural scam artists here and do go to other hep c support groups and medical professionals best, scott [ ] young people with HCV >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:56:42 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.21.16.178 >Received: from n5.grp.scd. ([66.218.66.89]) by mc10-f4.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:57:32 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n5.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:45 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: (qmail 67687 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd. with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd. with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n6.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP >X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-Sender: gstreet@... >X-Apparently- >Message-ID: >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Message Poster >X--Profile: rb211c >Mailing-List: list ; contact -owner >Delivered-mailing list >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2003 02:57:32.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1972E90:01C2F59E] > >Hi, im wondering if there are any sites that discuss youth and young >people with hcv.... Im interested in studies on progression of >fibrosis, etc... How long can one go with virus without significant >fibrosis? > >Also, ALT levels.. is 300 very high? i was in the low-mid 100's but >now I've skyrocketed to 292! > >thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2003 Report Share Posted March 29, 2003 I'm also in total agreement with the last line. By using the word " cure " one places expectations on product introduced into the body. As to the products origin, allo, traditional or wherever the products origin is moot. Personally this leads to either success or failure when using product where the expected result is a " cure " . The current trend in allo meds, pegalated interferons suggest the percentages for success are not that great when one considers the many divisions of HCV. You may have the most effective weaponry in the world, but if your troops don't understand the enemy, and are unprepared for battle, failure is often the outcome. My understanding is only 20% of those with hcv may expect a successful outcome with the current allo combo meds available. The implication that some have failed to respond places blame on the person who failed to respond. Many countries are introducing alternative meds the mix using for of a HIV model for treatment of hcv. In my life I have found some good things that without hcv I would have not enjoyed. Most importantly is my kids who I actually had the pleasure to share many moments I would have missed if I was working full time. I have had time to set up a dark room, spent hours enjoying my musical side and have found the time to pursue activities that time would not have allowed if I had continued on my pre hcv path. I appreciate Jay's many posts as he speaks to an area that hcv semantics failed to address. Words such as fail, cure, non-responder, sustain, non traditional, alternative and others may have a place in the hcv clinics but in day to day use they serve no purpose. We own the disease, not the pharms, docs or the organizations who advocate for hcv impacted persons. Collectively this group and many others can provide more info on hcv than any group of docs, any place, any time. Those who use my name as to infer I am am promoting the use of Schering or Roche's products may find this humorous. I do not. My indication that some support groups in Canada receive funding from these groups does in no way imply support. Unfortunately hcv is one of hundreds of disease groups, and frankly, most people don't give a shit about hcv or most other disease for that matter. The criminal matter I referred to is a FBI investigation and the number is real. If I can sniff the internet address of the person using my name, I suspect the FBI can do the same. Govern yourself accordingly. To the disdain of some I will continue to interfere with those who use peoples fears to sell miracles. As for those who use other than allo meds there are many in the hcv community who are looking for advice and peoples experience with herbals and other means of dealing with the disease. To have one person's greed place suspicion upon others is not helpful for anyone. People are looking for advice and support for the treatment of hcv, not a sales pitch for water. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2003 Report Share Posted March 29, 2003 boy you two will stop at nothing to ruin this group......I feel so bad for people who just want to learn about the treatments out there and run into THIS bullshit--you two guys should be ashamed of yourselves................ [ ] young people with HCV >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:56:42 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 66.21.16.178 >Received: from n5.grp.scd. ([66.218.66.89]) by mc10-f4.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:57:32 -0800 >Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n5.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:45 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: (qmail 67687 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd. with QMQP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd. with SMTP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n6.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2003 02:56:44 -0000 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP >X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-Sender: gstreet@... >X-Apparently- >Message-ID: >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Message Poster >X--Profile: rb211c >Mailing-List: list ; contact -owner >Delivered-mailing list >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: >Return-Path: sentto-2436732-5329-1048906604-hepc=hotmail.com@... >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2003 02:57:32.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1972E90:01C2F59E] > >Hi, im wondering if there are any sites that discuss youth and young >people with hcv.... Im interested in studies on progression of >fibrosis, etc... How long can one go with virus without significant >fibrosis? > >Also, ALT levels.. is 300 very high? i was in the low-mid 100's but >now I've skyrocketed to 292! > >thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 You are so right, Satya. That was a very inhuman thing for us to do. But what you fail to understand is, Big and I have an obligation to limit people's choices. Big is obliged to perpetuate his ignorance, and I, well I am simply so superior, you all should be grateful I am here to save you. But I am merely following orders. If people are allowed to think for themselves, they will realise they are being poisoned and defrauded, and that will run me out of business, and we will loose our advertising sponsors. And we cannot have that! That boy had no right to think he could choose for himself. He must follow lock step behind Big and I as we march toward our graves. I refuse to die alone! Shame? Shame pays the bills. Our Pharm training requires us to put proifts ahead of human life. This is true honor, and the source of all wealth in the modern age. This is probably why miss london is such a loser and has no money. We did not create & infect you with HCV so we could cure you of it. We created HCV to enslave you and separate you from your assets. Then, when you have failed three rounds of tx and given us our $100,000 you are allowed to die. It would be silly of us to allow the young seeker to find real answers and lose our investment. Shame? On the contrary. I am being honored by all the other Pharm minions in a blood sacrifice tonight....not all babies die of HCV, afterall. Come die with me, Andy Important Safety Information Alpha interferons, including PEGASYS (peginterferon alfa-2a), may cause or aggravate fatal or life-threatening neuropsychiatric, autoimmune, ischemic, and infectious disorders. Patients should be monitored closely with periodic clinical and laboratory evaluations. Therapy should be withdrawn in patients with persistently severe or worsening signs or symptoms of these conditions. In many, but not all cases, these disorders resolve after stopping PEGASYS therapy (see CONTRAINDICATIONS, WARNINGS, PRECAUTIONS and ADVERSE EVENTS.) > Canadian Hepatitis C Network > 151 Bloor Street West, Suite 600 > Toronto, Ontario. M5S 1S4 > www.chc-net.com > residence, Arundel, Quebec: (819) 687-1185 boy you two will stop at nothing to ruin this group......I feel so bad for people who just want to learn about the treatments out there and run into THIS bullshit--you two guys should be ashamed of yourselves................ Re: [ ] young people with HCV Graham,You are about to recieve a peraonal letter from Miss London or Jeff . They might change their names so be aware of their tactics. Jeanine will claim she has been cured of HCV and for about $400.00 so can you. Rate this email below all the more hair, longer wider and give your woman pleasure spam.Listen to people who are giving of there time and have no interest in your money.AndyJeanine London wrote: Yes, 300 is a very high ALT. How the disease progresses is up to you, how you take care of yourself, what you choose to put in your body. Deal with it now, and it won't run your life. Don't be afraid, andn don't let anyone scare you into anything. You can't ignore HCV, but you can beat it...safely, naturally without drugs. Your body is designed to heal itself provided the proper nutritional tools for the job. I recoverd from HCV after 28 years and reaching the symptoms of end stage. I neve took care of myself and ate junk food my whole life and I nearly died by age 38. When I recoverd I did it in less than a year and am healthier now than I have been my whole life. I didn't use drugs or have a transplant. You can recover from HCV Naturally. People do it everyday. Peace, Jeanine http://hepchelp.homestead.com First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Ghandi STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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