Re: Dangers of Osteoperosis

[Guest guest]

I have never heard this; but then I have not researched it. It would

seem odd to me for it to be true and to never have heard it mentioned here.

Quite a number of people here have reported not feeling well until their

TSH was suppressed to below the bottom of the recommended range; and

having no hyper symptoms while maintaining that level.

In our litigious society it is possible your doctor is afraid of a

lawsuit if he maintains you TSH level below the minimum recommended.

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Dangers of Osteoporosis & Heart Trouble from over medicating

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hypomomof3boys <hypomomof3boys>

Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:51 am (PST)

I spoke with my endocrinologist about my symptoms I am continuing to

have. I feel that they are hypothyroid related, as they are the

exact symptoms I had before (feeling exhausted by 3:00pm, trouble

controlling weight, dry brittle hair, aching in eyes and neck, dry

skin, etc.) I am currently taking 125mcg of synthroid and 20 mcg of

cytomel (T3). However, because my TSH levels are .03 (ref. range .4

- 4.0), he says I'm in danger of getting osteoporosis and heart

trouble and that my symptoms must no longer be thyroid related

because of my low TSH levels. He stated before I have no thyroid

function because before treatment my TSH level was 97. However, now

he wants to cut back on my cytomel. I am experiencing no hyper

symptoms at all (no heart palpitations, etc.) However, he says he

has a lot of patients who after being over medicated for thyroid

problems for years, come back with severe osteoporosis and heart

trouble. I'm fairly new to the thyroid world and was

wondering if anyone has heard of this and how common it is. I

thought if I was being over medicated, I would experience hyper

symptoms. Anyone's input would be helpful. Thanks in advance, I

learn so much from these boards. I know this has been discussed, but

my memory isn't what it used to be after my thyroid gave out!

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> I have never heard this; but then I have not researched it. It would

> seem odd to me for it to be true and to never have heard it mentioned here.

>

> Quite a number of people here have reported not feeling well until their

> TSH was suppressed to below the bottom of the recommended range; and

> having no hyper symptoms while maintaining that level.

Osteoporosis and cardiomyopathy are both common outcomes of untreated

Grave's disease. Doctors ASSUME that chronic hyperT from medications

will lead to the same problems, and that low TSH when taking thyroid

meds has the same implication as low TSH in screening untreated

subjects. This is one of the reasons why they are so gun shy about using

T3 supplements or overdosing in general. To my knowledge the effect has

never been tested in a proper double blind situation, because that would

be unethical.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

The main way to fight off osteoporosis when taking thyroid meds is to

take a multi-vitamin with calcium support in it. As a woman, you have

to, and most docs won't tell you that! They are such IDIOTS!! Also, to

ward off heart problems, you must take fish oil, garlic, and calcium.

You guys need to read!!! These docs are not going to tell you

anything!!!! They just want your money! Fish oil is an essential omega

3 for all problems..... Many blessings to you all!!

[Guest guest]

If you do your research, all thyroid medicine stips your body of a

certain level of calcium. That is why I stated to take mutli-v.

daily to prevent osteoporosis, not to treat it. My aunt is

currently hypothyroid, and due to a lack of calcium over the years,

now has osteoporosis. I just think that it is a necessity for all

people, especially woman.

> > Bev,

>

> I didn't know that Calcium causes kidney stones. I have never

heard

> of that. If that's the case, then eat milk by products: yogurt,

> pudding, lactaid, organic products, etc....... If ya'll didn't

> already know this, thyroid meds weaken your bones, and therefore

> cause osteoporosis. This is why is it so imparitive that

EVERYONE,

> MEN AND WOMEN TAKE A MULTI-V. DAILY!!!! Take thyroid meds in the

> morning, and a multi at night. Docs won't tell you this. I wish

> you luck!!!

>

> PS. Do some reading concerning your condition, and find out what

> you can take.

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

this is complete hogwash and misinformation. how can a multivitamin prevent

osteoporosis? Do you know what calcitonen is?

Gracia

>

>

> what? I think this is a bit of misinformation. Armour thyroid

which contains many Ts and calcitonen doesn't appear to cause

osteoporosis and may prevent it. Calcium doesn't treat

osteoporosis unfortunately.

> gracia

>

>

>

> ---

If you do your research, all thyroid medicine stips your body of a

certain level of calcium. That is why I stated to take mutli-v.

daily to prevent osteoporosis, not to treat it. My aunt is

currently hypothyroid, and due to a lack of calcium over the years,

now has osteoporosis. I just think that it is a necessity for all

people, especially woman.

> > Bev,

>

> I didn't know that Calcium causes kidney stones. I have never

heard

> of that. If that's the case, then eat milk by products: yogurt,

> pudding, lactaid, organic products, etc....... If ya'll didn't

> already know this, thyroid meds weaken your bones, and therefore

> cause osteoporosis. This is why is it so imparitive that

EVERYONE,

> MEN AND WOMEN TAKE A MULTI-V. DAILY!!!! Take thyroid meds in the

> morning, and a multi at night. Docs won't tell you this. I wish

> you luck!!!

>

> PS. Do some reading concerning your condition, and find out what

> you can take.

> >

> >

> Recent Activity

> a.. 12New Members

> Visit Your Group

>

[Guest guest]

According to my urologist kidney stones are caused by different things

and must be analyzed to tell their actual components. I believe one

type can be " fed " by calcium, such as that in milk. But it's been years

since I had one...

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Re: Dangers of Osteoporosis

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julierand2000 <julierand2000>

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:06 pm (PST)

> Bev,

I didn't know that Calcium causes kidney stones. I have never heard

of that. If that's the case, then eat milk by products: yogurt,

pudding, lactaid, organic products, etc....... If ya'll didn't

already know this, thyroid meds weaken your bones, and therefore

cause osteoporosis. This is why is it so imparitive that EVERYONE,

MEN AND WOMEN TAKE A MULTI-V. DAILY!!!! Take thyroid meds in the

morning, and a multi at night. Docs won't tell you this. I wish

you luck!!!

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

You wrote:

> what? I think this is a bit of misinformation. Armour thyroid

> which contains many Ts and calcitonen doesn't appear to cause

> osteoporosis and may prevent it. Calcium doesn't treat

> osteoporosis unfortunately.

Ditto for T4. Here are two recent studies:

A year 2000 study of 10,364 Swedish women, age 49-69, of whom 768 were

currently on thyroxine medication, showed absolutely no difference in

bone mass density between those on thyroxine and those not.

http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/1d62e2.htm

V. Nuzzo, et al., Gynecol Endocrinol. 1998 Oct;12(5):333-7 studied 40

premenopausal women with non-toxic goiter on L-thyroxine suppressive

therapy; result: absolutely no effect on bone density compared to

standards measured several different ways.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9\

859026 & dopt=Abstract

Chuck