Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Venizia, You wrote: > > We have been discussing the article on Vit D on the NTH group and Trevor Marshall is an electrical engineer: > > Venizia, the author of this study, " Dr " Trevor Marshall, is not a > medical doctor. He has a degree in electrical engineering! His ideas are > universally discredited by researchers and medical doctors in the know.... > I am not necessarily vouching for his conclusions, but Dr. Marshall holds a Ph.D. in EE. The term " engineer " usually implies the baccalaureate level only. His thesis and subsequent research were all in biomedical instrumentation. He has about 31 archival papers in auto immunity journals. Since those all had to pass peer review, evidently his ideas are not universally discredited. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Venizia, You wrote: > > A while back we had a discussion about Trevor Marshall and the Marshall > protocol. Some on my Rt3 group are throwing out their vit. d because of > what he is saying. Can you elaborate on why you feel this guy is a fraud > or whatever your feelings were.... I definitely did not call him a fraud, although I do doubt his conclusions. I basically said you should not make decisions based on any one publication. His group (mostly him) published one that showed some connection between excess D and autoimmune diseases, but most of the recent research suggests that D is more important than was previously thought, and that many more people are actually deficient in D. There definitely is such a thing as too much D, but I gather it is a much higher dose than his protocol would reject. Adding to my doubts: 1. His degrees, including the Ph.D., are all in Electrical Engineering. His academic title of " Professor " comes from an adjunct appointment at Murdoch University in Australia, not a permanent university position. 2. All of his experience leading to the Protocol was personal, not professional, based on his experience with autoimmune sarcoidosis. 3. His central hypothesis, which he has been promoting since the 1970s, is that our bodies are pervaded by bacteria, which cause autoimmune diseases, and that vitamin D promotes these bacteria. There is no histological evidence for this. 4. There has not been a single clinical study of his Protocol, to determine whether it is remotely safe or effective. We only have anecdotal reports and his published speculations on why some autoimmune conditions occasionally improve with antibiotics. 5. No one working in the field of vitamin D research takes him seriously, and most recent research with D contradicts his theory. 6. His research institution is located in California. (Sorry, , just kidding.) Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Thanks Chuck, sorry I shouldn't have said you thought he was a fraud. I tried looking for our earlier posts about it but they would not come up for me. Anyway, may I post your thoughts on my other group? Venizia > > > > A while back we had a discussion about Trevor Marshall and the Marshall > > protocol. Some on my Rt3 group are throwing out their vit. d because of > > what he is saying. Can you elaborate on why you feel this guy is a fraud > > or whatever your feelings were.... > > I definitely did not call him a fraud, although I do doubt his > conclusions. I basically said you should not make decisions based on any > one publication. His group (mostly him) published one that showed some > connection between excess D and autoimmune diseases, but most of the > recent research suggests that D is more important than was previously > thought, and that many more people are actually deficient in D. There > definitely is such a thing as too much D, but I gather it is a much > higher dose than his protocol would reject. > > Adding to my doubts: > > 1. His degrees, including the Ph.D., are all in Electrical Engineering. > His academic title of " Professor " comes from an adjunct appointment at > Murdoch University in Australia, not a permanent university position. > 2. All of his experience leading to the Protocol was personal, not > professional, based on his experience with autoimmune sarcoidosis. > 3. His central hypothesis, which he has been promoting since the 1970s, > is that our bodies are pervaded by bacteria, which cause autoimmune > diseases, and that vitamin D promotes these bacteria. There is no > histological evidence for this. > 4. There has not been a single clinical study of his Protocol, to > determine whether it is remotely safe or effective. We only have > anecdotal reports and his published speculations on why some autoimmune > conditions occasionally improve with antibiotics. > 5. No one working in the field of vitamin D research takes him > seriously, and most recent research with D contradicts his theory. > 6. His research institution is located in California. > (Sorry, , just kidding.) > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 IOW his posits are totally unsupported by any credible evidence and as a matter of fact are contradicted by whatever credible evidence we do happen to have. To me it sounds like the " iodine docs " all over again. If that sounds like an unfair assessment then hopefully someone will correct my opinion. .. .. > Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@... > <mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Trevor%20Marshall%2FChuck> > gumbo482001 <gumbo482001> > > > Wed Jul 1, 2009 8:06 pm (PDT) > > > > Venizia, > > You wrote: > > > > A while back we had a discussion about Trevor Marshall and the Marshall > > protocol. Some on my Rt3 group are throwing out their vit. d because of > > what he is saying. Can you elaborate on why you feel this guy is a > fraud > > or whatever your feelings were.... > > I definitely did not call him a fraud, although I do doubt his > conclusions. I basically said you should not make decisions based on any > one publication. His group (mostly him) published one that showed some > connection between excess D and autoimmune diseases, but most of the > recent research suggests that D is more important than was previously > thought, and that many more people are actually deficient in D. There > definitely is such a thing as too much D, but I gather it is a much > higher dose than his protocol would reject. > > Adding to my doubts: > > 1. His degrees, including the Ph.D., are all in Electrical Engineering. > His academic title of " Professor " comes from an adjunct appointment at > Murdoch University in Australia, not a permanent university position. > 2. All of his experience leading to the Protocol was personal, not > professional, based on his experience with autoimmune sarcoidosis. > 3. His central hypothesis, which he has been promoting since the 1970s, > is that our bodies are pervaded by bacteria, which cause autoimmune > diseases, and that vitamin D promotes these bacteria. There is no > histological evidence for this. > 4. There has not been a single clinical study of his Protocol, to > determine whether it is remotely safe or effective. We only have > anecdotal reports and his published speculations on why some autoimmune > conditions occasionally improve with antibiotics. > 5. No one working in the field of vitamin D research takes him > seriously, and most recent research with D contradicts his theory. > 6. His research institution is located in California. > (Sorry, , just kidding.) > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 venizia1948 wrote: > > > > Thanks Chuck, sorry I shouldn't have said you thought he was a fraud. I > tried looking for our earlier posts about it but they would not come up > for me. > > Anyway, may I post your thoughts on my other group? Sure, just make the context clear. I was just evaluating the paper and credentials. I don't have a dog in the fight, although I do take D. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 , You wrote: > > IOW his posits are totally unsupported by any credible evidence and as a > matter of fact are contradicted by whatever credible evidence we do > happen to have. To me it sounds like the " iodine docs " all over again. > If that sounds like an unfair assessment then hopefully someone will > correct my opinion. He's not trying to make money selling a product supported by his " research. " If anything, he is trying to get people to avoid certain things, such as vitamin D. The people that call his recommendations the " Marshall Protocol " are doctors who have used it. I don't believe he advertises it as such. However, if it works, I would suspect it works for only a subset of people with autoimmune conditions. Otherwise, it would already be better supported by data. I do imagine he is seeking grant support for his research institute. Perhaps that is comparable to selling a supplement. Also, he is not leveraging academic credibility to sell the supplement, since he has relatively little. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Thanks. I will copy and paste without your name so there is no misunderstanding. Venizia > > > > > > > > Thanks Chuck, sorry I shouldn't have said you thought he was a fraud. I > > tried looking for our earlier posts about it but they would not come up > > for me. > > > > Anyway, may I post your thoughts on my other group? > > Sure, just make the context clear. I was just evaluating the paper and > credentials. I don't have a dog in the fight, although I do take D. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 venizia1948 wrote: > > > > Thanks. I will copy and paste without your name so there is no > misunderstanding. You might want to also delete my feeble attempt at humor at the expense of the state of California. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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