Re: Is it necessary to have antibodies tested after starting treatment?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

sufficient replacement thyroid meds ( enough to put your remaining thyroid to sleep) will stop the antibodies, but the treatment is exactly the same as with straight thyroid replacment, so the antibodies presence is not really relevant- it's just the reason your thyrois is failing, a high antibody level just confirms the diagnosis.

> Subject: Is it necessary to have antibodies tested after starting treatment?> > > Hi, all.> > I wonder if the level of antibodies changes or not after starting the> treatment of T4. And if I cut down the high iodine diet every day, could> the antibodies decrease? Would the level of antibodies decide the> Thyroid hormone we get? if it is decreased, does it mean that the> severity of attacking against thyroid is relieved?> > Thanks> > Fragrance> > Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone Try it Now!

[Guest guest]

If you have hashimoto's, you have antibodies against TPO (thyroid

peroxidase). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroid_peroxidase

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/hashimotos

You don't have antibodies because you are deficient in T4, you have

antibodies because you may be deficient in " enough " available body

iodine to be used in the process of creating thyroid hormones. So,

obviously, it would not be constructive to lower your daily intake of

iodine.

To decrease the attacks on the thyroid, many have found success by

getting to a full replacement dose of " all " the thyroid hormones (via

eg. deiccated thyroid), taking selenium/magnesium to help reduce

antibodies, " properly " addressing any adrenal issues, taking any

needed thyroid nutrients

http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/nutrients.html

and when stable, addressing the underlying iodine deficiency.

http://www.iodine4health.com

Hope this helps somewhat

Sam

>

> Hi, all.

>

> I wonder if the level of antibodies changes or not after starting

the

> treatment of T4. And if I cut down the high iodine diet every day,

could

> the antibodies decrease? Would the level of antibodies decide the

> Thyroid hormone we get? if it is decreased, does it mean that the

> severity of attacking against thyroid is relieved?

>

> Thanks

>

> Fragrance

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sam, Thanks for the link, but I can not connect with the thyroid

nutrients link,

Could you please tell me other links for them?

Fragrance

> >

> > Hi, all.

> >

> > I wonder if the level of antibodies changes or not after starting

> the

> > treatment of T4. And if I cut down the high iodine diet every day,

> could

> > the antibodies decrease? Would the level of antibodies decide the

> > Thyroid hormone we get? if it is decreased, does it mean that the

> > severity of attacking against thyroid is relieved?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Fragrance

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Here is the link again:

http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/nutrients.html

and here is the info:

" Vitamin A - Individuals with low thyroid function (hypothyroidism)

have a reduced ability to convert beta-carotene into vitamin A.

Recommended amount: 25,000 IU

" Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin) - Riboflavin is needed for the production

of corticosteroids, erythropoesis gluconeogenesis, and thyroid

enzyme regulation. Assists with ATP production increasing energy

along with organification of Iodine.

Recommended amount: 100 mgs 2x / day

" Vitamin B3 (Inositol Hexanicotinate) - is needed to increase

ATP functionality to help with energy and organification of iodine.

Recommended amount: 500 mgs 2x / day

" Vitamin C - Assists in the healthy function of the NIS (sodium

iodine symporters) which allows the cells to pull iodine into them.

Recommended amount: 2,000 - 5,000 mgs

" Iodine - Critical building block. Iodine is organified to

thyroglobulin to create thyroid hormones (T4 - 4 iodine molecules &

T3 - 3 Iodine molecules). Recommended amount: 6 - 50 mgs

" Magnesium - Assists in the regulation of thyroid function. Is a good

regulator of muscle relaxation. Activates enzymes in the body.

Recommended amount: 400-500 mgs - Note: A new form of

transdermal Magnesium is now available called Ancient Minerals. It

can be applied to the skin thus avoiding bowel intolerance and gut

absorption issues. Magnesium Oil can be purchased HERE

(www.magneticclay.com)

" Selenium - Assists in the production two enzymes: glutathione

peroxidase (reacts with H2O2 to reduce H to H2O) and

iodothyroinine deiodinase (controls the removal of an iodine

molecule to convert from T4 to T3, T3 to T2 and T2 to T1).

Recommended amount: 200 - 400 mcg

" Zinc - Assists in the conversion of T4 thyroid hormone to the more

active T3 form of thyroid hormone. A simple test with liquid zinc can

be done to test for deficiency. If you can taste the zinc then you

are not deficient. If you taste nothing then you need to supplement.

Recommended amount: 50 mgs (should be combined with 2 mgs

Copper as they are antagonists and zinc will lower copper levels)

" ** These recommendations are only general guidelines of

nutrients. You should try to find a qualified healthcare practitioner

who can custom design a protcol that fits your specific needs. "

> > >

> > > Hi, all.

> > >

> > > I wonder if the level of antibodies changes or not after

starting

> > the

> > > treatment of T4. And if I cut down the high iodine diet every

day,

> > could

> > > the antibodies decrease? Would the level of antibodies decide

the

> > > Thyroid hormone we get? if it is decreased, does it mean that

the

> > > severity of attacking against thyroid is relieved?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Fragrance

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much, Sam. You are so kind.

I have requested the blood test for B12 and Zinc, Calcium and magnesium.

I haven't requested the iodine tested for 24 hours yet. For other

Vitamin tests, they don't even exist in the hospitals.

I don't know how to determine the dose and the necessity of all those

supplements. What's worse, there are no such " qualified practitioners "

here in Asia except the " so-called " doctors who may have little

knowledge on it.

So if the blood test for those substance could show some pictures of it,

if they are defficient, then we could suggest/discuss the possible

supplement with doctors?

Regards,

Fragrance

> > > >

> > > > Hi, all.

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if the level of antibodies changes or not after

> starting

> > > the

> > > > treatment of T4. And if I cut down the high iodine diet every

> day,

> > > could

> > > > the antibodies decrease? Would the level of antibodies decide

> the

> > > > Thyroid hormone we get? if it is decreased, does it mean that

> the

> > > > severity of attacking against thyroid is relieved?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Fragrance

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I understand.

There are 2 discussion groups that may be able to

expand more on this.

naturalthyroidhormones

iodine

Sam

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi, all.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wonder if the level of antibodies changes or not after

> > starting

> > > > the

> > > > > treatment of T4. And if I cut down the high iodine diet

every

> > day,

> > > > could

> > > > > the antibodies decrease? Would the level of antibodies

decide

> > the

> > > > > Thyroid hormone we get? if it is decreased, does it mean

that

> > the

> > > > > severity of attacking against thyroid is relieved?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Fragrance

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sam,

You wrote:

>

> If you have hashimoto's, you have antibodies against TPO (thyroid

> peroxidase)....

Not necessarily. A person with Hashimoto's will likely also have

antibodies to thyroglobuline (anti-Tg). Numerous studies in humans and

animals have shown a dose dependent acceleration of Hashimoto's by

excess iodine intake. The mechanism for this is hypothesized that the

iodine is taken up by the globulin, making it an antigen.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi, Chuck.

Maybe you are wrong, there are many Hashimoto's with HypoT take iodine

supplement after the loading test showed their iodine is of defficiency.

I read about the iodine effects in medcial books, and it said that high

iodine diet is harmful for Hashimoto's. but many on Messageboards/iodine

Groups said that it is not true.

Would you like to figure it out further?

Fragrance

> >

> > If you have hashimoto's, you have antibodies against TPO (thyroid

> > peroxidase)....

>

> Not necessarily. A person with Hashimoto's will likely also have

> antibodies to thyroglobuline (anti-Tg). Numerous studies in humans and

> animals have shown a dose dependent acceleration of Hashimoto's by

> excess iodine intake. The mechanism for this is hypothesized that the

> iodine is taken up by the globulin, making it an antigen.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

<rolling eyes>

Sam

> >

> > If you have hashimoto's, you have antibodies against TPO (thyroid

> > peroxidase)....

>

> Not necessarily. A person with Hashimoto's will likely also have

> antibodies to thyroglobuline (anti-Tg). Numerous studies in humans

and

> animals have shown a dose dependent acceleration of Hashimoto's by

> excess iodine intake. The mechanism for this is hypothesized that the

> iodine is taken up by the globulin, making it an antigen.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Fragrance,

You wrote:

>

> Maybe you are wrong, there are many Hashimoto's with HypoT take iodine

> supplement after the loading test showed their iodine is of defficiency.

The evidence that iodine can trigger or aggravate Hashimoto's thyroiditis is

overwhelming, and has been for decades. The loading test is completely

fraudulent. Dr. Gaby's explanation for why that is so, has been posted on this

list many times.

> I read about the iodine effects in medcial books, and it said that high

> iodine diet is harmful for Hashimoto's. but many on Messageboards/iodine

> Groups said that it is not true.

>

> Would you like to figure it out further?

No, but I trust the conclusions of a peer reviewed, double blind study,

published by professional researchers, more than I trust opinions on message

boards, especially this one, no matter how emphatically or authoritatively they

make their claims.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Chuck, loading tests are not fraudulent.

Sam

> >

> > Maybe you are wrong, there are many Hashimoto's with HypoT take

iodine

> > supplement after the loading test showed their iodine is of

defficiency.

>

> The evidence that iodine can trigger or aggravate Hashimoto's

thyroiditis is overwhelming, and has been for decades. The loading

test is completely fraudulent. Dr. Gaby's explanation for why that is

so, has been posted on this list many times.

>

> > I read about the iodine effects in medcial books, and it said

that high

> > iodine diet is harmful for Hashimoto's. but many on

Messageboards/iodine

> > Groups said that it is not true.

> >

> > Would you like to figure it out further?

>

> No, but I trust the conclusions of a peer reviewed, double blind

study, published by professional researchers, more than I trust

opinions on message boards, especially this one, no matter how

emphatically or authoritatively they make their claims.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

---- Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

> Chuck, loading tests are not fraudulent.

Do they charge money for a test that is invalid or irrelevant? That's fraud.

If they gave the test away for free, I would have a harder time making a case

against them. I would have to show that the free test furthered some other

fraud. In this case, it is straightforward.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I was speaking of loading tests in general...they are valid forms of

testing of a wide variety of things.

I go to a lab and they draw blood, or whatever, and I pay the lab for

that service, I do not pay anyone else. If I need to have an iodine

loading test I pay the lab for the test, not the doctor, unless the

doctor is ordering the test for me, and in that case I am still

paying the lab for the test thru the doctor. There are a number of

labs that do the iodine loading test, and those labs charge money to

do that.

Sam

> > Chuck, loading tests are not fraudulent.

>

> Do they charge money for a test that is invalid or irrelevant?

That's fraud.

>

> If they gave the test away for free, I would have a harder time

making a case against them. I would have to show that the free test

furthered some other fraud. In this case, it is straightforward.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Seems to BE good information.

Now, why " not " normalize pH, too, while you're at it?

Dr. Dan

(843) 455-9208

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

> Here is the link again:

> http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/nutrients.html

> and here is the info:

> " Vitamin A - Individuals with low thyroid function (hypothyroidism)

> have a reduced ability to convert beta-carotene into vitamin A.

> Recommended amount: 25,000 IU

>

> " Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin) - Riboflavin is needed for the production

> of corticosteroids, erythropoesis gluconeogenesis, and thyroid

> enzyme regulation. Assists with ATP production increasing energy

> along with organification of Iodine.

> Recommended amount: 100 mgs 2x / day

>

> " Vitamin B3 (Inositol Hexanicotinate) - is needed to increase

> ATP functionality to help with energy and organification of iodine.

> Recommended amount: 500 mgs 2x / day

>

> " Vitamin C - Assists in the healthy function of the NIS (sodium

> iodine symporters) which allows the cells to pull iodine into them.

> Recommended amount: 2,000 - 5,000 mgs

>

> " Iodine - Critical building block. Iodine is organified to

> thyroglobulin to create thyroid hormones (T4 - 4 iodine molecules &

> T3 - 3 Iodine molecules). Recommended amount: 6 - 50 mgs

>

> " Magnesium - Assists in the regulation of thyroid function. Is a good

> regulator of muscle relaxation. Activates enzymes in the body.

> Recommended amount: 400-500 mgs - Note: A new form of

> transdermal Magnesium is now available called Ancient Minerals. It

> can be applied to the skin thus avoiding bowel intolerance and gut

> absorption issues. Magnesium Oil can be purchased HERE

> (www.magneticclay.com)

>

> " Selenium - Assists in the production two enzymes: glutathione

> peroxidase (reacts with H2O2 to reduce H to H2O) and

> iodothyroinine deiodinase (controls the removal of an iodine

> molecule to convert from T4 to T3, T3 to T2 and T2 to T1).

> Recommended amount: 200 - 400 mcg

>

> " Zinc - Assists in the conversion of T4 thyroid hormone to the more

> active T3 form of thyroid hormone. A simple test with liquid zinc can

> be done to test for deficiency. If you can taste the zinc then you

> are not deficient. If you taste nothing then you need to supplement.

> Recommended amount: 50 mgs (should be combined with 2 mgs

> Copper as they are antagonists and zinc will lower copper levels)

>

> " ** These recommendations are only general guidelines of

> nutrients. You should try to find a qualified healthcare practitioner

> who can custom design a protcol that fits your specific needs. "

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hi, all.

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if the level of antibodies changes or not after

> starting

> > > the

> > > > treatment of T4. And if I cut down the high iodine diet every

> day,

> > > could

> > > > the antibodies decrease? Would the level of antibodies decide

> the

> > > > Thyroid hormone we get? if it is decreased, does it mean that

> the

> > > > severity of attacking against thyroid is relieved?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Fragrance

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Dr. What is pH?

Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi, all.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wonder if the level of antibodies changes or not after

> > starting

> > > > the

> > > > > treatment of T4. And if I cut down the high iodine diet every

> > day,

> > > > could

> > > > > the antibodies decrease? Would the level of antibodies decide

> > the

> > > > > Thyroid hormone we get? if it is decreased, does it mean that

> > the

> > > > > severity of attacking against thyroid is relieved?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Fragrance

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

pH is the official notation for " potential of Hydrogen, " which is the

technical measurement of the amount of H+ (hygrogen ions) in a water-based

solution.

LOW pH is probably the MOST SIGNIFICANT factor in ill health, because as

your acidity " goes high, " MEANING LOW pH, your immune system begins to

" lose " its functionality, and you become susceptible TO " opportunistic "

disease.

My research has shown, over the last 18 years, that -- on an almost " dollar

for dollar " basis, as you re-normalize you pH to the desired, and God-given

level of 7.365, where 7.0 is considered " neutral, " your immune system can

rejuvenate itself and help you " recover " from most illnesses, whether major

or minor.

Keep in mind that NO health professional ever really " heals " anyone. All

that the health professional CAN do is to try to give you pills, potions,

surgery, or other therapy -- in an attempt to keep you alive, long enough,

for your body to " heal itself. "

You can avoid lots of grief, by re-normalizing your own pH, which IS the

effect currently being sought in almost ALL major health research. For

instance, most dietary advice, today, is really [behind the scenes] focused

ON restoring normal pH. And a certain Dr. Otto Warburg showed, back in the

mid 1030's that one " can't even 'contract' cancer, unless and until one's

body pH had previously declined to about 5.9, or so. Conversely, Dr. Warburg

showed that as one re-normalizes body pH, one can quite literally, " shed "

cancer.

So, if you have had any friends, relatives, or acquaintances pass away FORM

cancer since about 1935, Dr. Warburg had " shown " how to have prevented that.

Another researcher, Dr. Linus ing, had similar cancer-recovery work, but

he, too, was disregarded.

Read Devar book, on the Secret War on Cancer, published in 2007, I

think, for the " inside " scoop on cancer, cigarettes, occupational exposures,

and a few other things -- illustrating how the American public has been

deliberately misled on things drastically affecting our well-being.

Or, call or write me for more information.

Thanks, and God Bless,

Dr. Dan Kukulka, NOT a MEDICAL DOCTOR, by the Grace of God, but a PhD

researcher who neither diagnoses, treats, prescribes, cures, or " heals "

anyone -- but who helps people do their own healing.

South Carolina Center for Health and Wellness

1100 Lovell Ct

Conway, SC 29526

(843) 455-9208

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:31 AM, fragrance_seen <fragrance_seen@...>wrote:

>

> Hi, Dr. What is pH?

>

> Thanks

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi, all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wonder if the level of antibodies changes or not after

> > > starting

> > > > > the

> > > > > > treatment of T4. And if I cut down the high iodine diet every

> > > day,

> > > > > could

> > > > > > the antibodies decrease? Would the level of antibodies decide

> > > the

> > > > > > Thyroid hormone we get? if it is decreased, does it mean that

> > > the

> > > > > > severity of attacking against thyroid is relieved?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fragrance

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >