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That certainly looks hopeful Jane. He should be starting you very gradually from a low dose, and you may have to lower the dose of your thyroxine, at first anyway.

It is converting T4 to T3 and not the other way around. When I showed the same problem all my doctor did was to increase the thyroxine and said they do not take any notice of T3.

Out of interest when he does prescribe it could you please tell me what area you are in.

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After more than six months on thyroxine (currently 100mg)I havefinally had my T3 measured and it is abnormally low. It is 2.8 and thenormal range is 3.25 - 6.21 (T4 is 12.3 and normal is 9-19).

Obviously you are not converting your T4 into the active hormone T3 (YES - this is the way it works, not T3 into T4 as thought by your doctor). Gee, is it any wonder we are not getting the proper treatment??My GP is waiting to hear from a consultant about how to prescribe T3for me but I am starting to think that maybe I should switch to Armour.

Mnay people do fine on synthetic Liothyronine (T3). I would wait and see if it works for you. Your doc may be reluctant to prescribe Armour because it has never required a license, so he won't find it in the BNF - and many are told Armour is not licensed because of all sorts of incorrect reasons. They need the facts, and these are on our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk in the right hand column of our Home Page under TPA UK news. These are by way of responses to the BTA on their two statements which are both misleading and in parts incorrect and backed by almost 300 citations. Show these to your GP if he is at all perplexed about what is correct and what is not.Several weeks ago I travelled a long way to see a consultant who wasrecommended by Sheila. When I got there the consultant I saw was notthe person I had been referred to and she was dismissive anddisbeleiveing and all those things I had heard about here.

I don't normally recommend any doctors apart from Dr P and my other medical advisers. I give out a list of some doctors who I have been told do use T4/T3 combination therapy or Armour thyroid, and I make a point (often) that I know nothing of their 'bedside manner'. I am sorry that you were put with another doctor, but I hope you didn't ahve to pay for this. Can you ask the original consultant you should have had an appoiontment with to see you again. I always have the outpatients clinic put on my medical notes that I willo NOT see any other consultant but the one I want - and I always see him and him alone.When she sent me off with a load of blood test forms which had anotherpatient's name on them (yes!) I decided not to continue with thatendevour.

I hope you reported this incident Jane. This could have devastating consequences. A doctor who hasn't got her mind on the job.I tooke the blood test forms back to my GP and had the tests that hewas able to give me - he wasn't able to get any of the adrenal testsdone - and that is when I got my low T3 result.

You will need to get the 24 hour salvary adrenal profile done through NPTech Services or Genova Diagnostics. This is not available on the NHS - who only test to see if their patient has either Cushing's syndrome or 's disease.My TSH was 0.66 and everything else was normal. He said he would findout how to prescribe T3 for me becuase he had never prescribed itbefore and he also was a bit mixed up about T3 and T4. He thought T3was converted into T4 but I am sure it is the other way round.

Now you can let him know he has got it the wrong way round - he really should know such a basic fact.Despite his lack of expertise I like my GP and he does try to help me.But now we are waiting for him to get advice from a local consultantand it is taking too long. I think it might be time to give up on thisavenue and take Armour.

Before you do that, do write to your GP and ask him if he could get a response from the endocrinologists as soon as possible, because meanwhile, your health is being put at risk and you are the one suffering. Usually, when starting T3, they start on a very low dose and you take it twice a day. This is because T3 has a very short half life of between 6 to 8 hours and taking it twice a day sees you nicely through the day. He should increase your dose slowly until it is built up to the amount where you feel good and well again.I had sypmtoms of adrenal fatigue so I bought some Nutri AdreanalExtra. I have been taking two Nutri Adrenal Extra a day for a fewweeks. I don't know if I am doing it right or if I need more. I seemedto feel a bit better for a while but now I back to feeling bad again.Should I have stopped or reduced my thyroxine when I started takingthe NAE or have I got the wrong end of the stick about that?

You normally need to increase your NAE on a regular basis until you are taking 3 to 4 tablets. If you feel you are still not quite 'there' then you can increase up to 6 tablets. Wait a couple of weeks at least between increasing. It is always best to stop any form of thyroid hormone replacement whether synthetic or natural when starting adrenal supplementation to give them a chance to get properly boosted. Having to cope with thyroid hormone replacement at the same time can often be too much. Start taking thyroid replacement a couple of weeks after starting NAE.I am going to read the document on how to take Armour. Can anyone tellme the best place to buy it from right now, please?

It's all there, in the document.

Luv - Sheila

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Just thought I'd point out that in giving you someone elses medical test results/notes your doctor was in breach of the data protection act. I work for a medical insurance company and there are very strict laws regarding this matter. sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...> wrote: Hi Jane After more than six months on thyroxine (currently 100mg)I havefinally had my T3

measured and it is abnormally low. It is 2.8 and thenormal range is 3.25 - 6.21 (T4 is 12.3 and normal is 9-19). Obviously you are not converting your T4 into the active hormone T3 (YES - this is the way it works, not T3 into T4 as thought by your doctor). Gee, is it any wonder we are not getting the proper treatment??My GP is waiting to hear from a consultant about how to prescribe T3for me but I am starting to think that maybe I should switch to Armour. Mnay people do fine on synthetic Liothyronine (T3). I would wait and see if it works for you. Your doc may be reluctant to prescribe Armour because it has never required a license, so he won't find it in the BNF - and many are told Armour is not licensed because of all sorts of incorrect reasons. They need the facts, and these are on our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk in the right hand column of our Home Page

under TPA UK news. These are by way of responses to the BTA on their two statements which are both misleading and in parts incorrect and backed by almost 300 citations. Show these to your GP if he is at all perplexed about what is correct and what is not.Several weeks ago I travelled a long way to see a consultant who wasrecommended by Sheila. When I got there the consultant I saw was notthe person I had been referred to and she was dismissive anddisbeleiveing and all those things I had heard about here. I don't normally recommend any doctors apart from Dr P and my other medical advisers. I give out a list of some doctors who I have been told do use T4/T3 combination therapy or Armour thyroid, and I make a point (often) that I know nothing of their 'bedside manner'. I am sorry that you were put with another doctor, but I hope you didn't ahve to pay for this. Can you ask the original consultant you should have had an

appoiontment with to see you again. I always have the outpatients clinic put on my medical notes that I willo NOT see any other consultant but the one I want - and I always see him and him alone.When she sent me off with a load of blood test forms which had anotherpatient's name on them (yes!) I decided not to continue with thatendevour. I hope you reported this incident Jane. This could have devastating consequences. A doctor who hasn't got her mind on the job.I tooke the blood test forms back to my GP and had the tests that hewas able to give me - he wasn't able to get any of the adrenal testsdone - and that is when I got my low T3 result. You will need to get the 24 hour salvary adrenal profile done through NPTech Services or Genova Diagnostics. This is not available on the NHS - who only test to see if their patient has either Cushing's syndrome or 's

disease.My TSH was 0.66 and everything else was normal. He said he would findout how to prescribe T3 for me becuase he had never prescribed itbefore and he also was a bit mixed up about T3 and T4. He thought T3was converted into T4 but I am sure it is the other way round. Now you can let him know he has got it the wrong way round - he really should know such a basic fact.Despite his lack of expertise I like my GP and he does try to help me.But now we are waiting for him to get advice from a local consultantand it is taking too long. I think it might be time to give up on thisavenue and take Armour. Before you do that, do write to your GP and ask him if he could get a response from the endocrinologists as soon as possible, because meanwhile, your health is being put at risk and you are the one suffering. Usually, when starting T3, they start on a very low dose and you take it

twice a day. This is because T3 has a very short half life of between 6 to 8 hours and taking it twice a day sees you nicely through the day. He should increase your dose slowly until it is built up to the amount where you feel good and well again.I had sypmtoms of adrenal fatigue so I bought some Nutri AdreanalExtra. I have been taking two Nutri Adrenal Extra a day for a fewweeks. I don't know if I am doing it right or if I need more. I seemedto feel a bit better for a while but now I back to feeling bad again.Should I have stopped or reduced my thyroxine when I started takingthe NAE or have I got the wrong end of the stick about that? You normally need to increase your NAE on a regular basis until you are taking 3 to 4 tablets. If you feel you are still not quite 'there' then you can increase up to 6 tablets. Wait a couple of weeks at least between increasing. It is always best to stop any form of thyroid hormone

replacement whether synthetic or natural when starting adrenal supplementation to give them a chance to get properly boosted. Having to cope with thyroid hormone replacement at the same time can often be too much. Start taking thyroid replacement a couple of weeks after starting NAE.I am going to read the document on how to take Armour. Can anyone tellme the best place to buy it from right now, please? It's all there, in the document. Luv - Sheila thanksJaneNo virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 01/08/2008 18:59

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So I heard from my GP today and he has been advised NOT to prescribe

T3 because my TSH is 'suppressed' at 0.66 and adding T3 might suppress

things further causing 'thyroidtoxicosis' (another word for

hyperthyroid...).

I also had an appointment with my consultant gynaecologist this week

(it was he who first diagnosed my hypothyroid and prescribed T4). He

looked at my low T3 and commented 'it looks like you need some T3 as

well' but he too was reluctant to prescribe.

He sent me for another blood test and said he would call me on Friday

(tomorrow) and think about prescribing T3 if the repeat blood test

also shows T3 is low.

Meanwhile my GP is asking for a second opinion from another

consultant. I have asked him to refer me to another a consultant

endocrinologist who was recommended by my gynaecologist.

I have started taking Ferrous Sulphate ('Ferrograd C' two a day) for

my low ferritin and I know I'll have to wait 6-12 weeks (three

months!) to get my stored ferritin up to scratch. I was hoping I might

get a short course of T3 that might see me through this hard time but

I am not so hopeful of that now.

I have stopped taking the Nutri Adrenal Extra I was taking (I was up

to two in the morning for a couple of weeks) because I understand that

I need to stop my thyroxine in order to take them.

I don't want to stop my thyroxine in favour of the adrenal supplements

because I am not as confident that I have adrenal fatigue (though I

highly suspect it) as I am of my low ferritin and low T3 (I am relying

on my blood test results now - oh they irony).

I figure that if my ferritin is restored in 6-12 weeks (hopefully

less) then my thyroxine will 'kick in' and I will start converting T4

to T3. If I were to stop my thyroxine in order to take a course of

Nutri adrenal extra for several weeks then that might cause a delay in

my getting the benefit of the increased ferrtin + Thyroxine because it

may take six weeks for the thyroxine to build back up to an effective

level.

I suppose that is my question - assuming I don't get T3 prescribed

tomorrow - should I drop the thyroxine for a couple of weeks and just

concentrate on the adrenals and the ferritin? Will the adrenals be

able to recover under the influence of Nutri Adrenal Extra if the

ferritin is still way too low?

Would it help if I sent off for the saliva test for my adrenals?

Oh, I am so confused. I'm just impatient to get better. Do I simply

have to wait for my ferritin to come back before I can progress?

I have got an appointment to see my GP on Tuesday.

All help is much appreciated, especially yours Sheila; you are a hero.

Jane

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There is one thing I have learnt and I am afraid you will have to learn is patience!!

This is something that really cant be rushed, I am 2 yrs into T4 treatment and still not there yet, its only since finding this site that I have found out about all the asociated conditions that can hinder the thyroxine replacement and stop it from working effectively, I am now dealing with these.

If your adrenals are poor then no ammount of thyroxine will work and make you feel better, the adrenals need to be producing enough cortisol to help with the absorption and conversion of T4 to T3, and the more T4 you take the more stressed the adrenals will become and it will take so much longer for you to get better.

You need to treat the adrenals and support them FIRST before you begin the T4 treatment, unfortunatley I didnt do this simply because I didnt know and doctors dont either. I would recomend you have the salivary test, its worth seeing what state the adrenals are in but you will have to fund this yourself as its not a test the NHS use or recognise.

Have you checked for candida albicans? Check the TPA files section out for more information. Take your time and do things in the right order and it will all come together

From: janemccormicksmith <cordeliajane@...>Subject: Re: Low T3thyroid treatment Date: Thursday, 7 August, 2008, 7:37 PM

So I heard from my GP today and he has been advised NOT to prescribeT3 because my TSH is 'suppressed' at 0.66 and adding T3 might suppressthings further causing 'thyroidtoxicosis' (another word forhyperthyroid. ..). I also had an appointment with my consultant gynaecologist this week(it was he who first diagnosed my hypothyroid and prescribed T4). Helooked at my low T3 and commented 'it looks like you need some T3 aswell' but he too was reluctant to prescribe.Jane

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Good advice! I am going to order the adrenal saliva test from

gdx.uk.net today. Not sure if I can use the standard one (£70) or if I

need the comprehensive one (£90) they are listed as

HOR01 - Adrenal Stress Index - Saliva - NM - 70

HOR01 - Comprehensive Adrenal Stress Index - Saliva - NM -90

I plan to taper my thyroxine, take the Adrenal test asap, then when I

have come off thyroxine start back on the adrenal supplements. And keep

up the ferrous sulphate for my ferritin.

Any thoughts on which test I should buy would be welcome.

Thanks for your advice .

Jane

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It does appear that it is doctors who do not have a speciality in thyroid disease that know more about the subject than some endocrinologists. Everybody in their right minds knows that if your body is lacking in one hormone, then only THAT particular hormone needs replacing. If you are short of T3 - YOU NEED T3. Oh, the temptation to come over there and shout it in your doctors ear. He is causing you harm by refusing to replace this hormone. Our thyroid hormones do NOT consist of T4 only. Doesn't he know that T4 is inactive and that it needs to convert to the active hormone T3? It is quite likely your low ferritin level has had a lot to do with your lack of conversion to T3.

You shouldn't stop taking your NAE - you need these to boost your adrenals and your adrenals need to be boosted sufficiently to make your thyroid hormone work properly. You only need to stop your thyroxine for about 1 week in order that your adrenals can concentrate on the NAE and not be bothered with having to try to get your thyroid hormone replacement to get absorbed by your body. It is a fact that your thyroid hormone replacement will be probably doing absolutely nothing but causing a toxic effect if you are not boosting your adrenals so that they can cope with your thyroxine. If you have low adrenal reserve, you need your NAE. Read Dr Peatfield's paper in our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk and click on 'Hypothyroidism' and then click on 'Associated Conditions' and then click on 'Adrenals' and at the top of the page, read that article. It should help explain the necessity for you to boost your adrenals so your body is able to cope with thyroxine.

Because thyroxine has a long half life of around 6 weeks, stopping it for one week while you taking nothing more than NAE is NOT going to affect you. Having a low ferritin is also a condition that is stopping your thyroid hormone replacement from working, so it makes sense to boost your ferritin and adrenals as number one (or two) priority. Your thyroxine in such a case is secondary. Please read Dr P's explanation.

I suppose that is my question - assuming I don't get T3 prescribedtomorrow - should I drop the thyroxine for a couple of weeks and justconcentrate on the adrenals and the ferritin? Will the adrenals beable to recover under the influence of Nutri Adrenal Extra if theferritin is still way too low?

YES - concentrate on raising your cortisol and ferritin levels as these are more important right now than your thyroid hormone replacement. Once these two are boosted, your thyroxine is more likely to work as it should.Would it help if I sent off for the saliva test for my adrenals?

If this hasn't been done already, then most definitely, it would help to see the full story - it causes too many problems when people are guessing about what might and might not be wrong with them.Oh, I am so confused. I'm just impatient to get better. Do I simplyhave to wait for my ferritin to come back before I can progress?

If you are taking the right dose of elemental iron each day, along with high dose Vitamin C (to stop you becoming constipated) and to boost your system in general, then you can take your thyroxine alongside it, but if your tests show your adrenals are low, then please stop your thyroxine for at least a week while taking NAE.I have got an appointment to see my GP on Tuesday.

Tell him you would like a trial of either combination T4/T3 to see if this helps you. Tell him you are aware that if you are short of one particular hormone, this MUST be replaced by that hormone and that L-thyroxine (T4) is NOT T3.All help is much appreciated, especially yours Sheila; you are a hero.

I'm not a hero Jane - just very angry and frustrated that our doctors are not being taught about thyroid disease properly by the professors who head our medical schools. It appears it is the pharmaceutical companies who decide what we can and what we cannot be prescribed.

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You don't need to "taper" your thyroxine off, you can stop it all at once because you still have plenty of thyroxine in your body. You should get the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile test (the £70 one).

Luv - Sheila

Good advice! I am going to order the adrenal saliva test from gdx.uk.net today. Not sure if I can use the standard one (£70) or if I need the comprehensive one (£90) they are listed as HOR01 - Adrenal Stress Index - Saliva - NM - 70HOR01 - Comprehensive Adrenal Stress Index - Saliva - NM -90I plan to taper my thyroxine, take the Adrenal test asap, then when I have come off thyroxine start back on the adrenal supplements. And keep up the ferrous sulphate for my ferritin.Any thoughts on which test I should buy would be welcome.Thanks for your advice .JaneNo virus found in this incoming message.

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Gah! Something wrong with means that I can't see the figure you

wrote for the adreanal test, just a question mark! Can you tell me if

you wrote I need the Seventy pound one or the ninety pound one please?

Thanks Jane

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Hi Sheila,

Please ignore that last message. I switched to Firefox and I can see

that you have recommended the seventy pound test. I guess the problem

was with Internet explorer.

Thanks for your speedy advice. I will order the test now and take it

on Monday.

Jane

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I got my test kit from NPTech, now called lab21, I just went on their website and ordered the test off there. I think there was only the one test called the adrenal salivary profile and it cost me £69, I did this back in June/July. Genova may have several different ones I dont know. Like Sheila has said there is no need to taper off the thyroxine, you are quite safe to just stop it as it has a long half life you are unlikely to feel anything by not taking it for a week or so

From: janemccormicksmith <cordeliajane@...>Subject: Re: Low T3thyroid treatment Date: Friday, 8 August, 2008, 8:32 AM

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Thanks , I had already ordered my test from Genova when I saw your

message. They are going to post it today. There is only one pound

difference in price.

In case anyone else is ordering: the web form asks you for a

practitioner but that is just for if you are under a practitioner who

is registered with them. You can put your GP in there that is what I

did, it doesn't matter.

And they don't charge you until you send the kit back.

Jane

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Why are doctors reluctant to supply T3? does anyone know

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Hi Jane - you need the £70 one (i.e. Seventy Pound One)

Hope that comes through loud and clear.

Luv - Sheila

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I think they are scared and not well informed on it, also because it is an active hormone its effects are pretty instant and some people may not be able to cope with it. Its the same with hydrocortisone for the adrenals, they are just too scared and probably dont know how to prescribe it, when I showed my adrenals results to my doctor he said oh it needs a specialist to prescribe and treat with cortisone and didnt want to know! But as we all know we end up treating ourselves with HC if the docs or specialists wont

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.....that is the question Michele - why ARE doctors reluctant to prescribe T3.

Luv - Sheila

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I was prescribed Levo at 50mcg and T3 at 5 mcg which the doctor upped to 10mcg

because of the cutting the tablet issue, I dont think my body really like the

Levo, last time I felt ill and had severe pains in my knees and calves then I

stopped it and went to see this consultant who lowered the dose, anyway I

started to get the severe pains in my legs again and decided myself to cut the

Levo tablet in half and now the pains in my legs have gone, so now only take

25mcg, if the Levo converts into T3 then why do we not just take T3? my body

does not seem to mind that so much..........(you can tell Im fairly new at all

this eh?)

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Not everybody converts T4 to T3, I dont know why this happens but some people just have a conversion problem, this is one thing I am going to ask the Endo when I see him because my T3 levels are low in range and I think I may have a conversion problem and a low T3 is one reason I may feel depressed sometimes, not sure but I think it helps with depression.I have had my T4 incresed to 175mcg last week based on symptoms really as my blood results werent too bad apart from the T3 which I feel is still too low

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Hi Michele,http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/ILyeSBsdAnd1xd8oF803nN3Cvd_nY-o6KMGHTg3ta1meSVJDxYInhFVCzcdhCRhMKt45_TbFYXIX1MtUb3xbMF26J6zKzZ-WAbhJMg/BOB%27S%20Research/Monocarboxylate%20Transporter%20%20MCT8http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/278/41/40128 put up a good source from Elaine ; the above is a direct research reference containing a lot more information that Elaine has kindly explained in easier English and from a wider range of sources.It's not just the conversion of T4 to T3, though that is important, and that takes place 'more or less' in all people under all 'homeostatic' circumstances and in 'more or less' good health.The 'transporters' mentioned above also affect the picture and is the main reason that simplification of the protocol "thou shalt not treat patients (sub-clinical hypothyroid or supposedly euthyroid) with 'normal' lab results" ~ is wrong. The definition of sub-clinical hypothyroidism has been so engineered that it totally excludes the patient's symptoms ( by emphasising the importance of the 'lab tests' and by subordinating the apparent symptoms ~ they say no symptoms are sufficiently indicative of hypothyroidism that they can be relied upon in any diagnosis ... ) you have to take that with a 'pinch of salt', as do many wiser doctors ~ the older and wiser who recall the treatments of hypothyroidism with Thyroid Extract BP or Armour Thyroid (to the standard of Thyroid USP in the USA).Burroughs Welcome used to profit from the sale of Thyroid extracts.But the modern physician is led to believe that was all baloney and that L-thyroxine is far superior......tens of thousands of patients tell another story....If T3 is improving matters, mental or physical...the cry goes up, but we can't prescribe a combination T4 / T3 it's not been 'proven'....odd that you can get it in Germany......some of the lies that are told are either in ignorance of the facts or they fly in the face of the (known) facts and one can never tell which one applies in any particular circumstance.Your doc seems to have a better sense of proportion.Some amount of T4 is useful but there are circumstances where it may get in the way....and the paper by Visser above, helps explain why.Good luckBob>> I was prescribed Levo at 50mcg and T3 at 5 mcg which the doctor upped to

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L-thyroxine (T4) is an inactive hormone, and it has to convert to t3 (the active hormone) to make the body and brain function. Most people do not have a conversion problem, so their T4 can convert to T3. For others who do have a problem, and there can be many reasons for this, they need T3 - either in combination with t4 or T3 alone.

Don't worry about being new to all this, you will find you pick things up little bit by little bit. When I first started using forums, everything was double-dutch to me.

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I was prescribed Levo at 50mcg and T3 at 5 mcg which the doctor upped to 10mcg because of the cutting the tablet issue, I dont think my body really like the Levo, last time I felt ill and had severe pains in my knees and calves then I stopped it and went to see this consultant who lowered the dose, anyway I started to get the severe pains in my legs again and decided myself to cut the Levo tablet in half and now the pains in my legs have gone, so now only take 25mcg, if the Levo converts into T3 then why do we not just take T3? my body does not seem to mind that so much..........(you can tell Im fairly new at all this eh?)Michele__________________________________________________________Not happy with your email address?.Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.htmlNo virus found in this incoming message.

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Read my responses to the BTA on Armour and T4/T3 therapy. I have written about those people unable to convert t4 into T3 and there are lots of references. You can find these in the right hand column on our website home page www.tpa-uk.org.uk. Hope this helps you understand what conditions can stop this.

luv - Sheila

Not everybody converts T4 to T3, I dont know why this happens but some people just have a conversion problem, this is one thing I am going to ask the Endo when I see him because my T3 levels are low in range and I think I may have a conversion problem and a low T3 is one reason I may feel depressed sometimes, not sure but I think it helps with depression.I have had my T4 incresed to 175mcg last week based on symptoms really as my blood results werent too bad apart from the T3 which I feel is still too low

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I cut and pasted the link into google Bob - but it didn't work.

Luv - Sheila

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/ILyeSBsdAnd1xd8oF803nN3Cvd_nY-o6KMGHTg3ta1meSVJDxYInhFVCzcdhCRhMKt45_TbFYXIX1MtUb3xbMF26J6zKzZ-WAbhJMg/BOB%27S%20Research/Monocarboxylate%20Transporter%20%20MCT8

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Dear Sheila

It was the link below that is cut and paste, the top link is direct to

the Files section..where I put text only

Bob

> I cut and pasted the link into google Bob - but it didn't work.

> Luv - Sheila

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http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/278/41/40128from Rich Text beta>> I cut and pasted the link into google Bob - but it didn't work.> Luv - Sheila

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Thanks Bob

Luv - Sheila

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/278/41/40128from Rich Text beta>> I cut and pasted the link into google Bob - but it didn't work.> Luv - Sheila

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