Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Which of the 3 frames are you looking in Chuck? ] > Couldn't find it. All I saw was the raising of the RDA for lactating > women to 250 mcg, and I went all the way to the bottom. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 hmmm...I thought maybe you guys were just running a different browser (I run FireFox!)...so I hunted down my Internet Explorer (it's not even an option on my desktop 'cause I sometimes let others use my computer and I hate Internet Explorer!...but it looks identical in IE! There are 3 frames...the left frame is the 'Table of Contents'...the center/right top frame is the chapter I am directing you to (chapter 20)...the bottom frame is the 'references/citations' for the page. At the bottom of the center frame (the page of chapter 20--you have to scroll down in 'that' frame; all 3 frames are scrollable independently of your browser window's scroll function) you'll find where it says 'Next'. Click on 'Next' and it will 'turn the page' of the book for you. > > Which of the 3 frames are you looking in Chuck? > > ] > > Couldn't find it. All I saw was the raising of the RDA for lactating > > women to 250 mcg, and I went all the way to the bottom. > > > > Chuck > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 it's after 11 here...I'm wide awake tired...so I'm going to let the dogs out one more time, then head to bed...with any luck, the tired part will beat the wide awake part...and that will give you guys some time to read this and we can continue this discussion tomorrow... G'night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 One question is, how much iodine did our paleo ancestors get? That should be basic amount for a otherwise healthy person. Steve Gracia wrote: > why are you using the word " massive " ? the doses that work best are doses that were used when iodine was still the universal medicine. if you work for the FDA then perhaps my dose of iodine is " massive " . > have you read anything on http://www.optimox.com ? it is very interesting reading. > Gracia > > There's a massive quantity of info there, but I didn't see ANY that > dealt with the need to take massive quantities of iodine. Rather they > seem to deal with quantities of the order of the RDA and on the horrible > results that happen when the RDA is not available. And somewhat on > problems and risks of adding iodine to the diet. > > What I'm looking for is any kind of theory that explains why iodine in > massive doses should provide the health benefits claimed by some here > and on the iodine lists. So far I haven't found any. > > Thanks, > > -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 I had actually considered that, but as I've never heard of any process in which iodine in large doses could act as a psychotropic then I had pretty much discounted it. Of course, there are claims of psychological addition [such as to email? {ggg}]but I have no idea as to whether there is credible support for the idea. So I'm wondering how much/if this is a joke; and if not do you know of a process by which it might work? As strange as it seems to me that is the best explanation I've heard [since I've heard no others at all]. Of course my personal knowledge is limited; but I haven't read any explanations from those with so much greater education than I. But after typing the above I went here <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction> and see repeated references to psychological addiction or compulsive disorders. Based upon my limited education I can't see what massive doses of iodine could possibly accomplish physiologically. In a person with a functioning thyroid gland the normal intake [about the RDA] is mostly removed from the bloodstream by the thyroid gland gland. But I don't think it can remove anything remotely approaching 100 mg per day; so your recent suggestion that one's kidneys would just remove and dump 90 to 99% of it seems reasonable. That is, if the kidneys are capable of same. So as you can see I'm floundering... Regards, .. .. > > Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@... > <mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling> > gumbo482001 <gumbo482001> > > > Sat Dec 6, 2008 6:54 pm (PST) > > , > > You wrote: > > > > As for the iodine, if you ever run across a theory that explains why a > > human body [especially one with sufficient T4 and T3] should need over > > 1500% of the RDA of iodine I'd appreciate a link. A considerable number > > of people take that and more and seem to benefit; I'd like to know > why.... > > I have a theory. > > Iodine is addictive. When Gracia feels bad cutting back from 100 mg per > day, she is experiencing withdrawal. > > Of course, email is also supposed to be addictive. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Well, someone _did_ refer to the T3 in Armour as the " feel good " drug. But with Armour you're only taking 200% of the manufacturer's recommendation; not the 6600% of RDA that you're taking of iodine. Do you personally have any idea as to how the iodine could actually act physiologically to provide the benefits you seem to receive? .. .. > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Sat Dec 6, 2008 7:28 pm (PST) > > > oh that's a good one! then Armour is also addictive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Chuck, is this the study that was found to be invalid because of a misunderstanding of the actual quantity of iodine the Japenese were consuming? .. > Nagataki, S., Shizume, K., Nakao, K., /Thyroid Function in Chronic > Excess Iodide Ingestion: Comparison of Thyroidal Absolute Iodine > Uptake and Degradation of Thyroxine in Euthyroid Japanese Subjects/, > J. Clin Endo: 27:638-647, 1967. .. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Yes; I found this: .. .. > > Iodine-induced thyroiditis > > Another possibility is the aggravation or even the induction of > autoimmune thyroiditis by iodine supplementation. In experimental > conditions, excessive iodine intake can precipitate spontaneous > thyroiditis in genetically predisposed strains of beagles, rats or > chickens (see review in ref. 186). The mechanism involved in > iodine-induced thyroiditis in animal models could be that elevated > dietary iodine triggers thyroid autoimmune reactivity by increasing > the immunogenecity of thyroglobulin or by inducing damage of the > thyroid and cell injury by free radicals. > > Attention was drawn to the possibility of iodine-induced thyroiditis > in humans when studies conducted in the United States following the > implementation of salt iodization showed an increased frequency of > Hashimoto’s thyroiditis seen in goiters removed by surgery (187). > > Later on, studies following the introduction of iodized oil in Greece > pointed out the possible development of thyroid autoantibodies (188). > More recently, Kahaly et al. (189) reported the development of thyroid > autoantibodies in 6 out of 31 patients with endemic goiter treated > during 6 months with a supra physiological dose of 500 ?g potassium > iodide (KI) per day. The development of lymphocytic infiltration in > the thyroids was reported. Finally, cross sectional studies of > populations with different degrees of iodine supply performed in Italy > (51), Great Britain (52) and more recently in Denmark and Iceland (53) > showed that the frequency of thyroid autoantibodies and hypothyroidism > is higher in iodine replete populations than in iodine deficient > populations. Similarly, generally speaking, it is recognized that the > frequency of thyroid antibodies (190) and of autoimmune thyroiditis > (191) is higher in the United States than in Europe while the iodine > intake is lower in Europe. > > Acute massive iodine overload (daily consumption of at least 50 mg > iodine daily) in healthy American workers resulted on a sharp increase > in the level of thyroid peroxidase antibody values together with > elevated prevalence of goiter and serum TSH values. The prevalence of > all abnormalities decreased after removal of iodine excess (192). > > However, to the best of our knowledge, although cross sectional > studies associated endemic goiter and the presence of thyroid > autoantibodies for example in Sri Lanka (193) no large epidemiological > metabolic or clinical surveys have been performed which have analyzed > the impact of large scale programs of iodine supplementation on the > occurrence of clinically significant iodine-induced thyroiditis with > public health consequences on thyroid function. The longterm > prospective study presently organized in Denmark (194) could provide > an adequate answer to the question as to whether correction of iodine > deficiency results in clinically significant development of thyroid > autoantibodies and thyroid failure. > > The mechanisms possibly involved in the role of iodine in thyroid > autoimmunity include the damage to the thyroid by the generation of > free radicals, a direct injury to the thyrocytes through the strong > necrotic effect of iodide and an enhancement of autoimmunogenic > properties of thyroglobulin (191). > > In conclusion (195, 196), the fear for auto-immune thyroid disorders > must not be a limitation to iodine prophylaxis as long as the amount > of iodine supplementation is reasonable. > .. .. This is the only reference that I see to taking 50 mg/day of iodine [but I did not read all of it; just scanned]. And it totally fails to deal in any manner at all with the basic question I'm trying to answer: What is the proposed theory of how massive doses of iodine [many times RDA] could benefit the patient? IOW, what is the proposed physiological process??? So far I have: Placebo, chance and addition [physiological or psychological]. If there's something I missed could you copy and past the url to the specific location? Thanks, .. .. > > > Posted by: " cindy.seeley " cindy.seeley@... > <mailto:cindy.seeley@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling> > cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley> > > > Sat Dec 6, 2008 8:50 pm (PST) > > And did you read to the end (chapter 20--this is in frames so you have > to scroll to the bottom of the frame to click on 'Next')...the > summary, discusses the use of 'at least 50 mg of iodine in healthy > humans'...? > > > > > > > There's a massive quantity of info there, but I didn't see ANY that > > dealt with the need to take massive quantities of iodine. Rather they > > seem to deal with quantities of the order of the RDA and on the > horrible > > results that happen when the RDA is not available. And somewhat on > > problems and risks of adding iodine to the diet. > > > > What I'm looking for is any kind of theory that explains why iodine in > > massive doses should provide the health benefits claimed by some here > > and on the iodine lists. So far I haven't found any. > > > > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 First you have to go here: .. <http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter20/20-frame.htm> Then you can click on the section on the right side of your screen [just above REFERENCES]: " Side Effects of Iodine Supplementation " .. <http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter20/ch01s06.html#id2527682> .. But I don't see much about using 50 mg/day; just the one reference. And it certainly isn't recommended there. There's nothing about a theory at all. Maybe I missed it??? .. .. > > > Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@... > <mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling> > gumbo482001 <gumbo482001> > > > Sat Dec 6, 2008 9:02 pm (PST) > > cindy.seeley wrote: > > > > > > And did you read to the end (chapter 20--this is in frames so you have > > to scroll to the bottom of the frame to click on 'Next')...the > > summary, discusses the use of 'at least 50 mg of iodine in healthy > > humans'...? > > Couldn't find it. All I saw was the raising of the RDA for lactating > women to 250 mcg, and I went all the way to the bottom. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 For reasons I have posted before I have little faith in the material on Optimox. However, in the first study presented I did find the material below [in which iodine is represented by " I " ]: .. .. > Some of the mechanisms by which I could prevent breast cancer are: the > antioxidant properties of iodides ^(31) > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-01/IOD_01.htm#31>; the ability > of I to markedly enhance the excited singlet to triplet radiationless > transition ^(32) > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-01/IOD_01.htm#32>. Reactive > oxygen species causing oxidative damage to DNA are usually excited > singlet with a high energy content released rapidly and characterized > by fluorescence whereas the corresponding triplet state releases its > lower energy at a slower rate expressed as phosphorescence. Such an > effect of I would depend on its concentration in the intra- and > extracellular fluids. Other possible mechanisms involved were reviewed > by Derry ^(29) > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-01/IOD_01.htm#29>: the > apoptotic properties of I and its ability to trigger differentiation, > moving the cell cycle away from the undifferenticated characteristic > of breast cancer, for that matter, of all cancers. The above > properties of I are totally independent of thyroid hormones. A recent > study in female rats ^(33) > <http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-01/IOD_01.htm#33> has > demonstrated an effect of I deficiency independent of thyroid > hormones, on the response of the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis to > stress. There was an attenuation of this axis to stress, following I > deficiency, and this attenuation persisted after functional recovery > of the thyroid axis. .. .. Unfortunately I do not have the education necessary to evaluate it. That is why I prefer peer reviewed research: The validity of the study can be determined by those qualified to do so. Then the results can [sometimes] be simplified to the level that I can understand. BTW, it appears I've misquoted the percentage of iodine RDA that you take. I think Chuck may have pointed this out to me but I failed to understand it. Anyway, the iodine RDA is 150 ug [micrograms], or .15 mg [milligrams], and you take 100 mg. But 100/.15=666.666..., not the 66.666... I have previously quoted. If I've finally gotten it right then you're taking 66,666% or the RDA; not the 6,600+ % I previously quoted. One decimal place off... I refer to this as a " massive dose " because I know of no credible research that supports the effacy of the use of iodine doses much above the order of the RDA. I sincerely wish that the studies could be safely done in a credible manner. Regards, .. .. > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Sat Dec 6, 2008 8:49 pm (PST) > > > why are you using the word " massive " ? the doses that work best are > doses that were used when iodine was still the universal medicine. if > you work for the FDA then perhaps my dose of iodine is " massive " . > have you read anything on http://www.optimox.com > <http://www.optimox.com> ? it is very interesting reading. > Gracia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 It's easier to click on the last entry above " References " . Paging down through however many pages is a PITA. .. .. > > Posted by: " cindy.seeley " cindy.seeley@... > <mailto:cindy.seeley@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling> > cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley> > > > Sat Dec 6, 2008 9:15 pm (PST) > > hmmm...I thought maybe you guys were just running a different browser > (I run FireFox!)... > so I hunted down my Internet Explorer (it's not > even an option on my desktop 'cause I sometimes let others use my > computer and I hate Internet Explorer!...but it looks identical in IE! > > There are 3 frames...the left frame is the 'Table of Contents'...the > center/right top frame is the chapter I am directing you to (chapter > 20)...the bottom frame is the 'references/citations' for the page. > > At the bottom of the center frame (the page of chapter 20--you have to > scroll down in 'that' frame; all 3 frames are scrollable independently > of your browser window's scroll function) you'll find where it says > 'Next'. Click on 'Next' and it will 'turn the page' of the book for you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 GOOD question IMHO. It no doubt was a heck of a lot less than our ancestors got when they swam in the iodine rich oceans. So along the line somewhere they had to adapt to much less iodine. Something called evolution. Whatever the number I suspect it will be on the same order as the RDA; not several hundred or several thousand higher. .. .. > > Posted by: " Steve " dudescholar4@... > <mailto:dudescholar4@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling> > dudescholar <dudescholar> > > > Sat Dec 6, 2008 9:37 pm (PST) > > One question is, how much iodine did our paleo ancestors get? That > should be basic amount for a otherwise healthy person. > > Steve > > Gracia wrote: > > why are you using the word " massive " ? the doses that work best are > doses that were used when iodine was still the universal medicine. if > you work for the FDA then perhaps my dose of iodine is " massive " . > > have you read anything on http://www.optimox.com > <http://www.optimox.com> ? it is very interesting reading. > > Gracia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Steve, You wrote: > > One question is, how much iodine did our paleo ancestors get? That > should be basic amount for a otherwise healthy person. Hunter-gatherers probably got at least the RDA pretty consistently, otherwise brain development might not have been possible. Once they started agriculture, that added goitrogen plants to the mix, so they would have needed more. It is very unlikely that wild foods would have contributed more than 1 mg per day, unless they mostly ate kelp. Even seafood won't do that. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Since it's in a frame, I can't post a link any more than I already have. I tried to post a table, but it wouldn't display correctly, so you'll have to go directly to the source...btw, the references to mg vs. ug should all be accurate as stated since whatever application used to generate this book is able to recognize both. As the populations covered increased, the injection dosage has been reduced. The latest recommendations by WHO-UNICEF-ICCIDD is shown in Table 8. Even lower doses have been recommended by some authors (153, 154). Table 8. Recommended doses of iodized oil in the prevention of the disorders induced by iodine deficiency. .... > If there's something I missed could you copy and past the url to the > specific location? > > Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Sometimes you can open a frame in a new tab all by it's lonesome(right click, select open frame in new tab). That makes it easer to reference (URL wise) and for me, it makes it easer to print and/or save the part I want. Steve cindy.seeley wrote: > Since it's in a frame, ... -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 I agree, but by not paging down, you missed tables of the data from tests they conducted on populations that were iodine deficient...the use of amounts double to quadruple what Gracia is currently using. Then once the deficiency was reversed, they reduced the amount of daily intake. > > It's easier to click on the last entry above " References " . Paging down > through however many pages is a PITA. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Of course I meant " addiction " ... .. .. > So far I have: Placebo, chance and addition [physiological or > psychological] > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Sorry again; it's on your other right! [ggg] {IIRC} I'm going to have to stop emailing when I can't keep my eyes open... > > Posted by: " " res075oh@... > <mailto:res075oh@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling> > jamesl33511 <jamesl33511> > > > Sun Dec 7, 2008 9:21 am (PST) > > First you have to go here: > . > <http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter20/20-frame.htm > <http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter20/20-frame.htm>> > > Then you can click on the section on the _LEFT_ side of your screen [just > above REFERENCES]: " Side Effects of Iodine Supplementation " > . > <http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter20/ch01s06.html#id2527682 > <http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter20/ch01s06.html#id2527682>> > . > But I don't see much about using 50 mg/day; just the one reference. And > it certainly isn't recommended there. There's nothing about a theory at > all. Maybe I missed it??? > > > . > . > > > > > > Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> > > <mailto:gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>?Subject=%20Re% > 3A%20Brain%20Swelling> > > gumbo482001 <gumbo482001 > <gumbo482001>> > > > > > > Sat Dec 6, 2008 9:02 pm (PST) > > > > cindy.seeley wrote: > > > > > > > > > And did you read to the end (chapter 20--this is in frames so you have > > > to scroll to the bottom of the frame to click on 'Next')...the > > > summary, discusses the use of 'at least 50 mg of iodine in healthy > > > humans'...? > > > > Couldn't find it. All I saw was the raising of the RDA for lactating > > women to 250 mcg, and I went all the way to the bottom. > > > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 I do not recommend 100mg Iodoral/Lugols per day for everyone. most peeps start with 50mg. Gracia , You are still mixing up micrograms and milligrams. I am very familiar with WHO recommendations to eliminate IDD, since I helped raise funds for that project for several years. Although they do increase salt supplements to get above the targeted RDA, it is by a factor of about 3, which is still much less than 1 mg. Gracia takes and recommends 100 mg per day. Chuck Recent Activity a.. 3New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 12/7/2008 4:56 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Hi Steve, In my Firefox browser, I have a 'save frame as' option that I'll admit, I tend to forget about...*blush*...also, the way printing is setup, it actually converts everything (even what exceeds the limits) so all the information on a page or in a frame is included, unless I set my printing options to exclude certain elements. Sometimes, though, I just opt to copy and paste only the specific materials I want into Word, then print or save the Word document. I also tend to forget that I can open a frame in a new tab of its own...so now that you've brought this to my attention, maybe I'll be more inclined to remember that in the future...thanks! > > Since it's in a frame, ... > > > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@... > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Chuck, Maybe you misread my post or didn't look at table 8, but it specifically says they supplemented with 200 - 400 hundred milligrams of iodine. All of the tables throughout chapter 20 (since I haven't investigated the other chapters yet, I won't make any claims regarding them) properly use the ug (charmap symbol will not translate correctly to here) and mg symbols. Although I do agree they did not use these amounts in most all of their supplemental programs and did use only amounts in the ranges you are stating...in the case of Delange however, why am I to believe that suddenly, after all of their other tables are correctly converted to ug, that this table incorrectly converted to mg? > > > > > > It's easier to click on the last entry above " References " . Paging down > > > through however many pages is a PITA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1825 - Release Date: 12/2/2008 8:44 PM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 , Although it is, and has been, taught in our public schools as the 'be all, end all', that doesn't change that it is still only a theory, the 'Theory of Evolution' (all of my biology books also stated it as such!)...please support yourself with non-ideological beliefs...It has become politically incorrect, if you will, to support any issues/statements based on 'divine intervention', what some also consider a 'theory', although I, personally, do happen to believe...I won't use 'divine intervention' to support my statements and/or comments (which to this point I haven't either), if you won't use your belief in the 'theory of evolution' to support yours...any and all claims based on 'evolution' in the sense of Darwin's ideas loses all credibility, in my opinion (it just sounds like a good excuse to explain anything unknown away). I do however believe in an applicable definition of 'evolving', such as happens in our mental perspectives as we learn and remake ourselves and our opinions based on what we have learned/experienced. ;-) > > > why are you using the word " massive " ? the doses that work best are > > doses that were used when iodine was still the universal medicine. if > > you work for the FDA then perhaps my dose of iodine is " massive " . > > > have you read anything on http://www.optimox.com > > <http://www.optimox.com> ? it is very interesting reading. > > > Gracia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 lol...I guess it is kind of confusing when you have 3 rights involved... IIRC, you caught one of my errors...when my brain was thinking one thing and my fingers were typing something else...the other day! ;-) > > Sorry again; it's on your other right! [ggg] {IIRC} I'm going to have > to stop emailing when I can't keep my eyes open... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Gracia, I haven't made any statements regarding what your recommendations are for anyone (although I do recognize that others have)...only that my understanding is you are taking 100 mg of iodine and that was to use as a comparison with table 8 of chapter 20 in the book we are discussing, available at thyroidmanager.org, or linked directly via an earlier post of mine... > > > I do not recommend 100mg Iodoral/Lugols per day for everyone. most peeps start with 50mg. > Gracia > > > , > > You are still mixing up micrograms and milligrams. I am very familiar > with WHO recommendations to eliminate IDD, since I helped raise funds > for that project for several years. Although they do increase salt > supplements to get above the targeted RDA, it is by a factor of about 3, > which is still much less than 1 mg. Gracia takes and recommends 100 mg > per day. > > Chuck > > > Recent Activity > a.. 3New Members > Visit Your Group > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Health > Healthy Aging > > Improve your > > quality of life. > > Biz Resources > Y! Small Business > > Articles, tools, > > forms, and more. > . > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1835 - Release Date: 12/7/2008 4:56 PM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Thanks for trying. I think I saw that part. .. .. > > > Posted by: " cindy.seeley " cindy.seeley@... > <mailto:cindy.seeley@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling> > cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley> > > > Sun Dec 7, 2008 6:06 pm (PST) > > Since it's in a frame, I can't post a link any more than I already > have. I tried to post a table, but it wouldn't display correctly, so > you'll have to go directly to the source...btw, the > references to mg vs. ug should all be accurate as stated since > whatever application used to generate this book is able to recognize both. > > > As the populations covered increased, the injection dosage has been > reduced. The latest recommendations by WHO-UNICEF-ICCIDD is shown in > Table 8. Even lower doses have been recommended by some authors (153, > 154). > > Table 8. Recommended doses of iodized oil in the prevention of the > disorders induced by iodine deficiency. > > > ... > > If there's something I missed could you copy and past the url to the > > specific location? > > > > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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