Re: Brain Swelling

[Guest guest]

no you are not taking too much. average dose is 180--300mg. you are only

taking 90mg so you could double it. I think you would also see progress on

50mg Iodoral.

Gracia

Can anyone recommend something for this symptom

that I thought I had overcome but I guess not quite.

As my cycle is changing, the center of my brain feels

tight & swollen, with pressure behind the eyes

& up the back of the neck.And my face feels hot

& is flushed. Also I upped my Naturethroid from

1 grain/60mg to 1 1/2. Could I be taking too much?

Thank you,

Ali

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[Guest guest]

I will move to 50 iodoral but gradually as my liver has been

overcome before, not to mention my brain.

What I really need to know is the time frame at which I increase

each quarter of Naturethroid.

I plan to go w/ya'lls advice & keep

upping it a quarter at a time until I reach 180 to 300!?

Thank you

Ali

On Dec 4, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Gracia wrote:

>

> no you are not taking too much. average dose is 180--300mg. you are

> only taking 90mg so you could double it. I think you would also see

> progress on 50mg Iodoral.

> Gracia

>

> Can anyone recommend something for this symptom

> that I thought I had overcome but I guess not quite.

> As my cycle is changing, the center of my brain feels

> tight & swollen, with pressure behind the eyes

> & up the back of the neck.And my face feels hot

> & is flushed. Also I upped my Naturethroid from

> 1 grain/60mg to 1 1/2. Could I be taking too much?

> Thank you,

> Ali

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[Guest guest]

Ali,

Gracia told you:

>

> no you are not taking too much. average dose is 180--300mg. you are only

taking 90mg so you could double it.

This is very dangerous advice. First, we do not know whether you have residual

thyroid function. You could already be pushing the envelope at 90 mg. Secondly,

Forest Pharmaceuticals' information for patients says that 180 mg is the most

that anyone should need, and that if you need more than that, it is likely due

to noncompliance.

I suggest you look for other signs of either hypoT or hyperT before you change

doses again. Or, you might want to try a blood panel.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Gracia, it is repeated statements like yours below that causes me to

wonder how much you value the scientific method. Your statement is

patently incorrect. The manufacturer recommends a dose only up to 180

mg. Thus it is highly likely that the majority of hypothyroid patients

who are under a doctor's care will receive prescriptions within that

guideline.

Further, the total number of doses sold suggest your data are wrong

unless the total number of patients taking Armour are over estimated

[already at probably less than 5%].

The patients on the iodine and hypothyroidism lists are so obviously

atypical that any extrapolation from such a skewed sample is totally

unreliable when applied to the " average " . The most trivial

understanding of the scientific method should demonstrate that fact.

If you have _any_ data that suggest my position is incorrect please

provide it.

She may very well need more Armour; she may even FAIK need more than the

manufacturer recommends. But to say the " average " dose is 180 to 300 mg

is IMHO indefensible; especially when it comes out sounding like a

prescription. Prescribing or advising someone from an obviously

severely limited data set is the opposite of a scientific approach.

That's why I felt you did not value same.

..

..

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Thu Dec 4, 2008 7:40 pm (PST)

>

>

> no you are not taking too much. average dose is 180--300mg. you are

> only taking 90mg so you could double it. I think you would also see

> progress on 50mg Iodoral.

> Gracia

>

> Can anyone recommend something for this symptom

> that I thought I had overcome but I guess not quite.

> As my cycle is changing, the center of my brain feels

> tight & swollen, with pressure behind the eyes

> & up the back of the neck.And my face feels hot

> & is flushed. Also I upped my Naturethroid from

> 1 grain/60mg to 1 1/2. Could I be taking too much?

> Thank you,

> Ali

[Guest guest]

,

I am smart enough to know to take it slowly, pay attention to my body,

and stop when I don't feel good. I won't overdose that way.

Ali

On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:09 PM, wrote:

> Gracia, it is repeated statements like yours below that causes me to

> wonder how much you value the scientific method. Your statement is

> patently incorrect. The manufacturer recommends a dose only up to 180

> mg. Thus it is highly likely that the majority of hypothyroid patients

> who are under a doctor's care will receive prescriptions within that

> guideline.

>

> Further, the total number of doses sold suggest your data are wrong

> unless the total number of patients taking Armour are over estimated

> [already at probably less than 5%].

>

> The patients on the iodine and hypothyroidism lists are so obviously

> atypical that any extrapolation from such a skewed sample is totally

> unreliable when applied to the " average " . The most trivial

> understanding of the scientific method should demonstrate that fact.

>

> If you have _any_ data that suggest my position is incorrect please

> provide it.

>

> She may very well need more Armour; she may even FAIK need more

> than the

> manufacturer recommends. But to say the " average " dose is 180 to

> 300 mg

> is IMHO indefensible; especially when it comes out sounding like a

> prescription. Prescribing or advising someone from an obviously

> severely limited data set is the opposite of a scientific approach.

> That's why I felt you did not value same.

>

>

> .

> .

>

> > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling>

> > graciabee <graciabee>

> >

> >

> > Thu Dec 4, 2008 7:40 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> > no you are not taking too much. average dose is 180--300mg. you are

> > only taking 90mg so you could double it. I think you would also see

> > progress on 50mg Iodoral.

> > Gracia

> >

> > Can anyone recommend something for this symptom

> > that I thought I had overcome but I guess not quite.

> > As my cycle is changing, the center of my brain feels

> > tight & swollen, with pressure behind the eyes

> > & up the back of the neck.And my face feels hot

> > & is flushed. Also I upped my Naturethroid from

> > 1 grain/60mg to 1 1/2. Could I be taking too much?

> > Thank you,

> > Ali

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please be aware that 180 to 300 mg IS NOT " ya'lls advice " , and it most

certainly IS NOT the advice of Forrest Labs, the manufacturer of

Armour. It is the advice of those who would for the most part be

considered quacks by mainstream science and allopathic medicine [and

heroes by supporters of the " iodine docs " ].

If you move to 50 mg iodine per day you will have 3300% of the RDA. At

that level some small percentage of us are at a small risk of severe

reactions such as anaphylactic shock and death. Please be careful. If

I'm wrong in thinking it's the kidneys instead of the liver that removes

excess iodine from your body then your already compromised liver could

be in jeopardy.

I don't know the exact numbers but IMHO 300 mg/day of Armour will alone

provide a few hundred percent of your RDA of iodine [at least a couple].

Luck,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " rubyrain11@...

> <mailto:rubyrain11@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling>

> gypsy1jig <gypsy1jig>

>

>

> Thu Dec 4, 2008 10:16 pm (PST)

>

> I will move to 50 iodoral but gradually as my liver has been

> overcome before, not to mention my brain.

> What I really need to know is the time frame at which I increase

> each quarter of Naturethroid.

> I plan to go w/ya'lls advice & keep

> upping it a quarter at a time until I reach 180 to 300!?

> Thank you

> Ali

[Guest guest]

Ali,

Is this an actual 'physical' swelling, or a sensation of tightness, or

a band around your head feeling? If it is physical, you should see a

neurologist, or at the very least your M.D., as there could be

something unrelated to your thyroid going on. If it is a sensation,

it may be a symptom of adrenal fatigue, in which case increasing your

Armour would likely be more harmful without first addressing adrenal

support issues. Please bear in mind, we are not doctors! What you

will find here is a compilation (you'll have to research it all very

hard to put it all together for what's going to be right for you) of

things that have worked, and things that haven't, for different

individuals. Some of us are iodine deficient; some of us are not.

Before even considering implementing an iodine supplementation, you

should first have an iodine loading test done, which in some cases can

also carry its own dangers.

Please, see a doctor and keep us informed of how you are doing.

>

> Can anyone recommend something for this symptom

> that I thought I had overcome but I guess not quite.

> As my cycle is changing, the center of my brain feels

> tight & swollen, with pressure behind the eyes

> & up the back of the neck.And my face feels hot

> & is flushed. Also I upped my Naturethroid from

> 1 grain/60mg to 1 1/2. Could I be taking too much?

> Thank you,

> Ali

>

[Guest guest]

Ugh, it's said the thyroid gland produces " approximately " 3-5 grains

of thyroid hormones per day, so this is why the manufacturers of

Armour Thyroid " RECOMMEND " the 3-5 grains. And yes, 3-5 grains would

be about the average amount that many people take, however there are

MANY others who take more and many others who take less and are

without symptoms.

The REASON synthroid is the Rx'd to 95% of thyroid patients is NOT

because it's the best med out there, , it's because #1

Marketing, #2 patients do not know there are alternatives, #3 doctors

are trained that the best type of thyroid med is a fakey T4 drug and

won't prescribe anything else.

And YES, it's FAKEY fake fake T4...it's NOT what a real thyroid gland

would make, it had an altered molecule to make it patentable.

Here is a fun 'little' article for you:

http://mediwire.skyscape.com/main/Default.aspx?

P=Content & ArticleID=177010

Sam

>

> Gracia, it is repeated statements like yours below that causes me

to

> wonder how much you value the scientific method. Your statement is

> patently incorrect. The manufacturer recommends a dose only up to

180

> mg. Thus it is highly likely that the majority of hypothyroid

patients

> who are under a doctor's care will receive prescriptions within

that

> guideline.

>

> Further, the total number of doses sold suggest your data are wrong

> unless the total number of patients taking Armour are over

estimated

> [already at probably less than 5%].

>

> The patients on the iodine and hypothyroidism lists are so

obviously

> atypical that any extrapolation from such a skewed sample is

totally

> unreliable when applied to the " average " . The most trivial

> understanding of the scientific method should demonstrate that fact.

>

> If you have _any_ data that suggest my position is incorrect please

> provide it.

>

> She may very well need more Armour; she may even FAIK need more

than the

> manufacturer recommends. But to say the " average " dose is 180 to

300 mg

> is IMHO indefensible; especially when it comes out sounding like a

> prescription. Prescribing or advising someone from an obviously

> severely limited data set is the opposite of a scientific

approach.

> That's why I felt you did not value same.

>

>

> .

> .

>

>

>

> > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling>

> > graciabee <graciabee>

> >

> >

> > Thu Dec 4, 2008 7:40 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> > no you are not taking too much. average dose is 180--300mg. you

are

> > only taking 90mg so you could double it. I think you would also

see

> > progress on 50mg Iodoral.

> > Gracia

> >

> > Can anyone recommend something for this symptom

> > that I thought I had overcome but I guess not quite.

> > As my cycle is changing, the center of my brain feels

> > tight & swollen, with pressure behind the eyes

> > & up the back of the neck.And my face feels hot

> > & is flushed. Also I upped my Naturethroid from

> > 1 grain/60mg to 1 1/2. Could I be taking too much?

> > Thank you,

> > Ali

>

[Guest guest]

I'm confident that YOU will. But I think we have a responsibility to

others who might come here, perhaps in a hypothyroid " brain fog " and

think they're getting credible advice when it might very well harm or

even kill them. So I try to post a counterpoint to such advice.

Regards,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " rubyrain11@...

> <mailto:rubyrain11@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling>

> gypsy1jig <gypsy1jig>

>

>

> Fri Dec 5, 2008 12:26 pm (PST)

>

> ,

> I am smart enough to know to take it slowly, pay attention to my body,

> and stop when I don't feel good. I won't overdose that way.

> Ali

> On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:09 PM, wrote:

>

> > Gracia, it is repeated statements like yours below that causes me to

> > wonder how much you value the scientific method. Your statement is

> > patently incorrect. The manufacturer recommends a dose only up to 180

> > mg. Thus it is highly likely that the majority of hypothyroid patients

> > who are under a doctor's care will receive prescriptions within that

> > guideline.

> >

> > Further, the total number of doses sold suggest your data are wrong

> > unless the total number of patients taking Armour are over estimated

> > [already at probably less than 5%].

> >

> > The patients on the iodine and hypothyroidism lists are so obviously

> > atypical that any extrapolation from such a skewed sample is totally

> > unreliable when applied to the " average " . The most trivial

> > understanding of the scientific method should demonstrate that fact.

> >

> > If you have _any_ data that suggest my position is incorrect please

> > provide it.

> >

> > She may very well need more Armour; she may even FAIK need more

> > than the

> > manufacturer recommends. But to say the " average " dose is 180 to

> > 300 mg

> > is IMHO indefensible; especially when it comes out sounding like a

> > prescription. Prescribing or advising someone from an obviously

> > severely limited data set is the opposite of a scientific approach.

> > That's why I felt you did not value same.

> >

> >

> > .

> > .

> >

> > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... <mailto:circe%40fairpoint.net>

> > > <mailto:circe@...

> <mailto:circe%40fairpoint.net>?Subject=%20Re%

> 3A%20Brain%20Swelling>

> > > graciabee <graciabee

> <graciabee>>

> > >

> > >

> > > Thu Dec 4, 2008 7:40 pm (PST)

> > >

> > >

> > > no you are not taking too much. average dose is 180--300mg. you are

> > > only taking 90mg so you could double it. I think you would also see

> > > progress on 50mg Iodoral.

> > > Gracia

[Guest guest]

Thanks .

When I took 50 before I had liver pain & backed off.

Don't worry I will listen to my body.

Western Medicine has hurt me

way more than it ever has helped me.

And Iodine in doses of 25mg plus is

working for three of us in my family who

have hypo. so I am sold. Plus I take

the supporting vitamins to help excrete it.

And they always help me feel better.

Ali

On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:29 PM, wrote:

> Please be aware that 180 to 300 mg IS NOT " ya'lls advice " , and it most

> certainly IS NOT the advice of Forrest Labs, the manufacturer of

> Armour. It is the advice of those who would for the most part be

> considered quacks by mainstream science and allopathic medicine [and

> heroes by supporters of the " iodine docs " ].

>

> If you move to 50 mg iodine per day you will have 3300% of the RDA. At

> that level some small percentage of us are at a small risk of severe

> reactions such as anaphylactic shock and death. Please be careful. If

> I'm wrong in thinking it's the kidneys instead of the liver that

> removes

> excess iodine from your body then your already compromised liver could

> be in jeopardy.

>

> I don't know the exact numbers but IMHO 300 mg/day of Armour will

> alone

> provide a few hundred percent of your RDA of iodine [at least a

> couple].

>

> Luck,

>

> .

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " rubyrain11@...

> > <mailto:rubyrain11@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%

> 20Swelling>

> > gypsy1jig <gypsy1jig>

> >

> >

> > Thu Dec 4, 2008 10:16 pm (PST)

> >

> > I will move to 50 iodoral but gradually as my liver has been

> > overcome before, not to mention my brain.

> > What I really need to know is the time frame at which I increase

> > each quarter of Naturethroid.

> > I plan to go w/ya'lls advice & keep

> > upping it a quarter at a time until I reach 180 to 300!?

> > Thank you

> > Ali

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've done the test. I am deficient.

It felt like swelling but has been a symptom periodically

as my hormones change w/cycle.

Just as I suspected all of those sensations dissappeared

when the 60 1/2 Naturethroid (updose from 60mg wore off).

I do have adrenal fatigue too & take a slew of herbs etc. for that.

Thank you.

Ali

On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:33 PM, cindy.seeley wrote:

> Ali,

> Is this an actual 'physical' swelling, or a sensation of tightness, or

> a band around your head feeling? If it is physical, you should see a

> neurologist, or at the very least your M.D., as there could be

> something unrelated to your thyroid going on. If it is a sensation,

> it may be a symptom of adrenal fatigue, in which case increasing your

> Armour would likely be more harmful without first addressing adrenal

> support issues. Please bear in mind, we are not doctors! What you

> will find here is a compilation (you'll have to research it all very

> hard to put it all together for what's going to be right for you) of

> things that have worked, and things that haven't, for different

> individuals. Some of us are iodine deficient; some of us are not.

> Before even considering implementing an iodine supplementation, you

> should first have an iodine loading test done, which in some cases can

> also carry its own dangers.

>

> Please, see a doctor and keep us informed of how you are doing.

>

>

>

> >

> > Can anyone recommend something for this symptom

> > that I thought I had overcome but I guess not quite.

> > As my cycle is changing, the center of my brain feels

> > tight & swollen, with pressure behind the eyes

> > & up the back of the neck.And my face feels hot

> > & is flushed. Also I upped my Naturethroid from

> > 1 grain/60mg to 1 1/2. Could I be taking too much?

> > Thank you,

> > Ali

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, are you taking the ATP cofactors? these have helped me a real lot.

(B2/B3) http://www.vrp.com

Gracia

Thanks .

When I took 50 before I had liver pain & backed off.

Don't worry I will listen to my body.

Western Medicine has hurt me

way more than it ever has helped me.

And Iodine in doses of 25mg plus is

working for three of us in my family who

have hypo. so I am sold. Plus I take

the supporting vitamins to help excrete it.

And they always help me feel better.

Ali

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Given that you've done the test and confirmed you are deficient, AND

the big one in my mind... " but has been a symptom periodically

> as my hormones change w/cycle " ...from an article a friend sent me a

long time ago when my migraines were making me horribly 'sick', and

always related to my cycle, this indicated a calcium and magnesium

deficiency. Once I started taking calcium and magnesium, the

migraines went away...I stopped, they started back up...I started the

cal. & mag again, the migraines went away again...It took about a

month for them to begin to take effect; by the 2nd month, they were gone.

>

> I've done the test. I am deficient.

> It felt like swelling but has been a symptom periodically

> as my hormones change w/cycle.

> Just as I suspected all of those sensations dissappeared

> when the 60 1/2 Naturethroid (updose from 60mg wore off).

> I do have adrenal fatigue too & take a slew of herbs etc. for that.

> Thank you.

> Ali

[Guest guest]

please.

I have old fashioned clinical skills that docs used to have, learned from

painful experience.

all the scary stuff about Armour and iodine that you believe is untrue--some

of us know this. maybe you should stick to advice about T4 meds.

Gracia

I'm confident that YOU will. But I think we have a responsibility to

others who might come here, perhaps in a hypothyroid " brain fog " and

think they're getting credible advice when it might very well harm or

even kill them. So I try to post a counterpoint to such advice.

Regards,

.

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[Guest guest]

Listening to your body is great; but sometimes it is silent until a

fatal condition is far advanced.

As for the iodine, if you ever run across a theory that explains why a

human body [especially one with sufficient T4 and T3] should need over

1500% of the RDA of iodine I'd appreciate a link. A considerable number

of people take that and more and seem to benefit; I'd like to know why.

Especially if the theory can support results greater than chance or placebo.

Regards,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " rubyrain11@...

> <mailto:rubyrain11@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling>

> gypsy1jig <gypsy1jig>

>

>

> Fri Dec 5, 2008 2:19 pm (PST)

>

> Thanks .

> When I took 50 before I had liver pain & backed off.

> Don't worry I will listen to my body.

> Western Medicine has hurt me

> way more than it ever has helped me.

> And Iodine in doses of 25mg plus is

> working for three of us in my family who

> have hypo. so I am sold. Plus I take

> the supporting vitamins to help excrete it.

> And they always help me feel better.

> Ali

> On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:29 PM, wrote:

>

> > Please be aware that 180 to 300 mg IS NOT " ya'lls advice " , and it most

> > certainly IS NOT the advice of Forrest Labs, the manufacturer of

> > Armour. It is the advice of those who would for the most part be

> > considered quacks by mainstream science and allopathic medicine [and

> > heroes by supporters of the " iodine docs " ].

> >

> > If you move to 50 mg iodine per day you will have 3300% of the RDA. At

> > that level some small percentage of us are at a small risk of severe

> > reactions such as anaphylactic shock and death. Please be careful. If

> > I'm wrong in thinking it's the kidneys instead of the liver that

> > removes

> > excess iodine from your body then your already compromised liver could

> > be in jeopardy.

> >

> > I don't know the exact numbers but IMHO 300 mg/day of Armour will

> > alone

> > provide a few hundred percent of your RDA of iodine [at least a

> > couple].

> >

> > Luck,

> >

> > .

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

This might provide you some explanation...?

International Council for the Control of Iodine Deficiency Disorders

http://www.iccidd.org/pages/iodine-deficiency/faqs.php

under faq #12 refers us to Thyroid Manager...quite of information

there, but I found this, in particular, to be quite relevant to this

discussion...]

http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter20/20-frame.htm

....maybe you, and others, will too.

>

> Listening to your body is great; but sometimes it is silent until a

> fatal condition is far advanced.

>

> As for the iodine, if you ever run across a theory that explains why a

> human body [especially one with sufficient T4 and T3] should need over

> 1500% of the RDA of iodine I'd appreciate a link. A considerable

number

> of people take that and more and seem to benefit; I'd like to know

why.

> Especially if the theory can support results greater than chance or

placebo.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

yes. and the sensation of brain swelling only lasted a day.

i now attribute it to up dosing of naturethroid too quickly.

thank you for all of your support

ali

On Dec 5, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Gracia wrote:

>

> , are you taking the ATP cofactors? these have helped me a

> real lot. (B2/B3)http://www.vrp.com

> Gracia

>

> Thanks .

> When I took 50 before I had liver pain & backed off.

> Don't worry I will listen to my body.

> Western Medicine has hurt me

> way more than it ever has helped me.

> And Iodine in doses of 25mg plus is

> working for three of us in my family who

> have hypo. so I am sold. Plus I take

> the supporting vitamins to help excrete it.

> And they always help me feel better.

> Ali

>

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I take both but maybe not enough.

What dosages do you suggest?

Ali

On Dec 5, 2008, at 9:18 PM, cindy.seeley wrote:

> Given that you've done the test and confirmed you are deficient, AND

> the big one in my mind... " but has been a symptom periodically

> > as my hormones change w/cycle " ...from an article a friend sent me a

> long time ago when my migraines were making me horribly 'sick', and

> always related to my cycle, this indicated a calcium and magnesium

> deficiency. Once I started taking calcium and magnesium, the

> migraines went away...I stopped, they started back up...I started the

> cal. & mag again, the migraines went away again...It took about a

> month for them to begin to take effect; by the 2nd month, they were

> gone.

>

>

>

> >

> > I've done the test. I am deficient.

> > It felt like swelling but has been a symptom periodically

> > as my hormones change w/cycle.

> > Just as I suspected all of those sensations dissappeared

> > when the 60 1/2 Naturethroid (updose from 60mg wore off).

> > I do have adrenal fatigue too & take a slew of herbs etc. for that.

> > Thank you.

> > Ali

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know any really scary stuff about Armour. I guess though that

if you take twice the maximum recommended dose you could possibly be

driven hypEr; and that could cause heart or maybe bone problems. But

AFAIK hyper is about the only downside; you aren't likely to go into

anaphylactic shock. OTOH a small percentage of patients who take

megadoses of iodine might become very ill or die. But it's the same for

Synthroid; so that's not just a " scary thing " about Armour.

Clinical skills of even the old timey docs was gained after a solid

education in medical science of the day; which AFAIK you don't have.

Thus your " clinical skills " are likely to be severely limited by a lack

of basic knowledge.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

>

> Fri Dec 5, 2008 9:55 pm (PST)

>

>

> please.

> I have old fashioned clinical skills that docs used to have, learned

> from painful experience.

> all the scary stuff about Armour and iodine that you believe is

> untrue--some of us know this. maybe you should stick to advice about

> T4 meds.

> Gracia

>

> I'm confident that YOU will. But I think we have a responsibility to

> others who might come here, perhaps in a hypothyroid " brain fog " and

> think they're getting credible advice when it might very well harm or

> even kill them. So I try to post a counterpoint to such advice.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

Ali,

I was taking the live Coral Calcium (from Okinawa)--3 softgels

provides 1475 mg of calcium. With it, I took 800 mg magnesium. Once

I had my migraines eliminated completely, I backed down to 2 of the

softgels (approx. 983 mg of calcium) and stayed the same on the

magnesium. I like the live coral calcium because there are other

nutrients that we need, sometimes along with the calcium, that are

already in it. When I take them, I find that if I alternate between

the calcium and the magnesium and take my daily multi-vitamin in the

middle, I don't get diarrhea and combing in this order also eliminates

constipation (common with hypoT).

hth,

>

> > Given that you've done the test and confirmed you are deficient, AND

> > the big one in my mind... " but has been a symptom periodically

> > > as my hormones change w/cycle " ...from an article a friend sent me a

> > long time ago when my migraines were making me horribly 'sick', and

> > always related to my cycle, this indicated a calcium and magnesium

> > deficiency. Once I started taking calcium and magnesium, the

> > migraines went away...I stopped, they started back up...I started the

> > cal. & mag again, the migraines went away again...It took about a

> > month for them to begin to take effect; by the 2nd month, they were

> > gone.

> >

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> As for the iodine, if you ever run across a theory that explains why a

> human body [especially one with sufficient T4 and T3] should need over

> 1500% of the RDA of iodine I'd appreciate a link. A considerable number

> of people take that and more and seem to benefit; I'd like to know why....

I have a theory.

Iodine is addictive. When Gracia feels bad cutting back from 100 mg per

day, she is experiencing withdrawal.

Of course, email is also supposed to be addictive.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

oh that's a good one! then Armour is also addictive. oh hell estrogen is

too.

I might also be addicted to Stout. this week an Irishman recommended s

and Beamish to me, but I still like Guinness best.

Gracia

,

You wrote:

>

> As for the iodine, if you ever run across a theory that explains why a

> human body [especially one with sufficient T4 and T3] should need over

> 1500% of the RDA of iodine I'd appreciate a link. A considerable number

> of people take that and more and seem to benefit; I'd like to know why....

I have a theory.

Iodine is addictive. When Gracia feels bad cutting back from 100 mg per

day, she is experiencing withdrawal.

Of course, email is also supposed to be addictive.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

There's a massive quantity of info there, but I didn't see ANY that

dealt with the need to take massive quantities of iodine. Rather they

seem to deal with quantities of the order of the RDA and on the horrible

results that happen when the RDA is not available. And somewhat on

problems and risks of adding iodine to the diet.

What I'm looking for is any kind of theory that explains why iodine in

massive doses should provide the health benefits claimed by some here

and on the iodine lists. So far I haven't found any.

Thanks,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " cindy.seeley " cindy.seeley@...

> <mailto:cindy.seeley@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Brain%20Swelling>

> cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley>

>

>

> Sat Dec 6, 2008 8:14 am (PST)

>

> Hi ,

> This might provide you some explanation.

> ..?

> International Council for the Control of Iodine Deficiency Disorders

>

> http://www.iccidd.org/pages/iodine-deficiency/faqs.php

> <http://www.iccidd.org/pages/iodine-deficiency/faqs.php>

>

> under faq #12 refers us to Thyroid Manager...quite of information

> there, but I found this, in particular, to be quite relevant to this

> discussion...]

>

> http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter20/20-frame.htm

> <http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter20/20-frame.htm>

>

> ...maybe you, and others, will too.

>

>

>

> >

> > Listening to your body is great; but sometimes it is silent until a

> > fatal condition is far advanced.

> >

> > As for the iodine, if you ever run across a theory that explains why a

> > human body [especially one with sufficient T4 and T3] should need over

> > 1500% of the RDA of iodine I'd appreciate a link. A considerable

> number

> > of people take that and more and seem to benefit; I'd like to know

> why.

> > Especially if the theory can support results greater than chance or

> placebo.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

[Guest guest]

why are you using the word " massive " ? the doses that work best are doses

that were used when iodine was still the universal medicine. if you work for

the FDA then perhaps my dose of iodine is " massive " .

have you read anything on http://www.optimox.com ? it is very interesting

reading.

Gracia

There's a massive quantity of info there, but I didn't see ANY that

dealt with the need to take massive quantities of iodine. Rather they

seem to deal with quantities of the order of the RDA and on the horrible

results that happen when the RDA is not available. And somewhat on

problems and risks of adding iodine to the diet.

What I'm looking for is any kind of theory that explains why iodine in

massive doses should provide the health benefits claimed by some here

and on the iodine lists. So far I haven't found any.

Thanks,

.

.

>

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And did you read to the end (chapter 20--this is in frames so you have

to scroll to the bottom of the frame to click on 'Next')...the

summary, discusses the use of 'at least 50 mg of iodine in healthy

humans'...?

> > >

> > > Listening to your body is great; but sometimes it is silent until a

> > > fatal condition is far advanced.

> > >

> > > As for the iodine, if you ever run across a theory that explains

why a

> > > human body [especially one with sufficient T4 and T3] should

need over

> > > 1500% of the RDA of iodine I'd appreciate a link. A considerable

> > number

> > > of people take that and more and seem to benefit; I'd like to know

> > why.

> > > Especially if the theory can support results greater than chance or

> > placebo.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

>