Re: food choices

July 12, 2001

Ohhhhhhh, that sounds great! No, you don't have to grind the flax seeds but

they digest better if you do. If you have a coffee grinder, that would work

fine. I had steak and eggs for breakfast this morning. yummmmmmmm.

Aloha

CB

March 8, 2004

I've had almost exactly the same experiences as Marc with regard to food

- with the exception of oranges which I like too much to give up anyway!

Also they're rich in potassium - all fruit is I believe.

With regard to potassium I have noticed that since becoming ES this has

been a real problem. When I was suffering particularly badly from EM

exposure and still learning how to control symptoms and situation, I

found that I had to take potassium supplements every day to ameliorate

various symptoms (From memory - insomnia, muscle weakness, heart

palpitations were some). After a while I just ate bananas.

I try to avoid salt, as potassium levels drop so fast after consumption.

As I understand it - sodium, magnesium and calcium all contribute to the

depression of potassium..but salt certainly seems to exaggerate symptoms

of ES.

I do remember from reading some of Dr Neil Cherry's reports that

biochemistry is strongly affected by exposure to EMFs - for example,

calcium efflux between cells. As some people are more sensitive to

environmental factors than others, it would seem that this mechanism

(de-stabilised biochemistry) is perhaps more easily triggered in them.

However it would be interesting to know what other illnesses could

result from chronic low potassium levels.

Food Choices

Hi all,

While we've certainly spent some time here talking about shielding,

noise filtration, and " magic devices " , I haven't seen much discussion

about food choices, and how they affect one's EMF sensitivity.

On a heavy metals discussion group, someone noted that their tolerance

for EMF increased when taking a potassium supplement. I then realized

that I also was benefiting from potassium, in that several of the foods

I use to increase my tolerance (e.g, bananas, dates, almonds, sea

vegetation) are high in potassium!

Alternately, I notice that foods high in sodium decrease my tolerance

for EMF. I think sodium reduces the amount of potassium in your body, so

that might be the explanation for that.

I also know that for me, eating oranges and taking chlorella supplements

decreases my tolerance for EMF.

Has anyone else here noticed your EMF sensitivity symptoms

improve/worsen due to the foods you eat?

Marc

March 9, 2004

>This discussion is very interesting, I wish we had more active ES

>participants... Marc, how about advertising the list further? But the

>problem really is that ES people simply don't use computers...

If you have any suggestions on places I have neglected to advertise

this list, I'm open to suggestions!

However, I think the list is doing better than I would have expected

-- we've had over 200 messages in the first month, and we have 46

members! That's *far* more successful than past ES groups, which

typically no activity at all.

But yes, like your wife says, I also find that I am more tolerant

if I eat frequently.

Also, if you are not eating any meat, you might want to make sure

you have some sort of food/supplement source of Vitamin B12. I don't

eat meat either, and sometimes have symptoms which are instantly

fixed with B12 (like involuntary eyelid flinching)

Marc

March 9, 2004

> I am interested to try a diet rich in potassium, I am going to let you

> know my findings!

By the way, here is a list of high-potassium foods:

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/hbp/prevent/factors/supls.htm

But also, reducing salt (to maintain your potassium levels)

should be as helpful as adding postassium.

Marc

March 9, 2004

In a message dated 3/9/2004 10:23:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Lachlan.Mudge@... writes:

All disagreements will be taken as constructive criticism and used in my

pursuit of knowledge about human nutrition.

Lachlan

*******************

Hi Lachlan, the research on diet that made the most sense to me studied

large groups of people of different ethnic and genetic backgrounds. The

researchers concluded that the adaptations of your past ancestors had a lot to

do with

what foods were best for you. Part of the conclusions of this study ( can't

name the study as this was many years ago) was that about 2/3 of the

population could be vegans or meat eaters without much problem if the food

choices were

within their genetic experience. However, they also concluded that half of

the remaining 1 /3 must be vegetatians to live healthy lives. And the others

must be meat eaters to live well. Stay well and wealthy Bill W

March 9, 2004

Yesterday, after reading Marcs email on food but without consciously thinking

about it, I got an intense craving for bananas. Four bananas later, my craving

was finally satisfied. I also took the equivalent of 300mg of elemental

potassium (I like to go to extremes). Today I feel better in a number of ways

including: more energy; clearer thinking; a quieter mind; less agitation and

anxiety. I question whether it is only the potassium content of bananas that

was beneficial to me, since according to the information (suggested by Marc) on

potassium content of various fruits and vegetables, I should have been

consuming large quantities of potassium. Perhaps there is something else, or a

combination of constituents, in bananas that helped me. Interestingly, like

Marc, I don't eat any meat and like Drasko, I also don't eat any other animal

products.

According to the bottle of potassium supplement I bought, " potassium helps to

maintain the correct acid-alkaline balance in the blood and tissues. It

assists in preventing excess body acidity and associated problems and aids the

proper functioning of the nervous system " . I have discussed this privately

with another member and suggested that perhaps a link can be made between

the hypothesis that EM radiation causes soil acidity, thus damaging trees

(Volkrodt), and excess acidity in humans. I'm interested to know whether other

ES people have general problems with acidity. This seems relevant since pH

(acidity or alkalinity) is directly related to electric charge within the body,

and we are talking about an electrically induced phenomenon (ES).

Lachlan

Re: Food Choices

>This discussion is very interesting, I wish we had more active ES

>participants... Marc, how about advertising the list further? But the

>problem really is that ES people simply don't use computers...

If you have any suggestions on places I have neglected to advertise

this list, I'm open to suggestions!

However, I think the list is doing better than I would have expected

-- we've had over 200 messages in the first month, and we have 46

members! That's *far* more successful than past ES groups, which

typically no activity at all.

But yes, like your wife says, I also find that I am more tolerant

if I eat frequently.

Also, if you are not eating any meat, you might want to make sure

you have some sort of food/supplement source of Vitamin B12. I don't

eat meat either, and sometimes have symptoms which are instantly

fixed with B12 (like involuntary eyelid flinching)

Marc

March 9, 2004

Yes, it seems that food has to do with my sensitivity as well! I eat

extremely much salt, and that makes me feel better by other aspects, but

could be that it worsens my ES!

I am interested to try a diet rich in potassium, I am going to let you know

my findings!

Also, my friends " accuse " me of becoming electrosensitive due to generally

lean diet - I never eat meat, and animal products (fish, eggs, milk) I eat

realtively rarely... But all my family eats the same. My wife says that I am

more tolerant to everything when I eat more but I am boring to myself

than... Sometimes I think if I diminished my intellectual and other

ambitions, and relaxed more, that all my symptoms would have been better...

That matches somebody's observation ('s?) that meditation helps...

This discussion is very interesting, I wish we had more active ES

participants... Marc, how about advertising the list further? But the

problem really is that ES people simply don't use computers...

Drasko

March 9, 2004

> Marc, I don't eat any meat and like Drasko, I also don't eat any

> other animal products.

Actually, I don't eat any animal products either. In fact, if I

recall correctly, my ES symptoms actually got *worse* when I switched

to a vegan diet. Although that was just initially -- now, I've

figured out a combination of foods which keeps me going.

>I'm interested to know whether other ES people have general problems

>with acidity.

I was extremely acidic a few years ago (when my health was at its

worst), and have pretty much eaten a mostly-Alkaline-forming diet in

the years since, which has seemingly helped a lot. However, my daily

EMF exposure is huge, so it's an ongoing battle -- the EMF is probably

making me more acid, but I counter it by eating foods which make me

more alkaline.

Marc

March 9, 2004

I guess one critical thing about a vegan diet is that rather than obtaining all

vital nutrients from animals, it is often more complicated and you need to

think about what you're eating, especially when it comes to FOOD COMBINING. I

think most, if not all essential nutrients can either be supplied or

synthesised through food combining - a lot of people don't realise for example

that most iron is only properly absorbed when there is sufficient vitamin C

present (e.g. eating something acidic like tomatoes at the same time as green

salad vegies is best.....and tasty too). There is no conclusive proof, to my

knowledge, that vitamin B12 can't be obtained through a vegan diet - scientists

can never experimentally make the infinite number of combinations of vegan

foods under the conditions found in the human digestive tract to prove all the

hype about B12. Obviously if one changes their diet from one of meat and three

vegetables to one of three vegetables only, and doesn't supplement their meat

intake with a whole bunch of other fruits, vegetables, grains and pulses, then

they will eventually become ill.

As far as getting vitamin B12, supplements aren't the only way to go in my

opinion, though they are the easy way (dependence is a potential issue with

these though). I try to eat a bit of home grown or organic fruit and veg

that's still dirty as I heard this was another way to get B12 (regardless of

that, I think it's a really good idea as it stimulates your immune system in

our generally sterile environments, provided you have the strength to cope with

it). Anyway, enough vegetarian propaganda from me.

All disagreements will be taken as constructive criticism and used in my

pursuit of knowledge about human nutrition.

Lachlan

Re: Food Choices

> Marc, I don't eat any meat and like Drasko, I also don't eat any

> other animal products.

Actually, I don't eat any animal products either. In fact, if I

recall correctly, my ES symptoms actually got *worse* when I switched

to a vegan diet. Although that was just initially -- now, I've

figured out a combination of foods which keeps me going.

>I'm interested to know whether other ES people have general problems

>with acidity.

I was extremely acidic a few years ago (when my health was at its

worst), and have pretty much eaten a mostly-Alkaline-forming diet in

the years since, which has seemingly helped a lot. However, my daily

EMF exposure is huge, so it's an ongoing battle -- the EMF is probably

making me more acid, but I counter it by eating foods which make me

more alkaline.

Marc

March 9, 2004

Thanks Bill

I definitely agree with what you say and therefore the results of this study.

If you come across it again, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me

know the author/s and title. Diet is a constant worry for me, mainly because

so many people in this country tell me I shouldn't be vegan. I know too many

happy and healthy vegans though to think it's a bad think. I just hope I'm in

the right category.....

Re: Re: Food Choices

In a message dated 3/9/2004 10:23:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Lachlan.Mudge@... writes:

All disagreements will be taken as constructive criticism and used in my

pursuit of knowledge about human nutrition.

Lachlan

*******************

Hi Lachlan, the research on diet that made the most sense to me studied

large groups of people of different ethnic and genetic backgrounds. The

researchers concluded that the adaptations of your past ancestors had a lot to

do with

what foods were best for you. Part of the conclusions of this study ( can't

name the study as this was many years ago) was that about 2/3 of the

population could be vegans or meat eaters without much problem if the food

choices were

within their genetic experience. However, they also concluded that half of

the remaining 1 /3 must be vegetatians to live healthy lives. And the others

must be meat eaters to live well. Stay well and wealthy Bill W

March 9, 2004

In a message dated 3/9/2004 11:46:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Lachlan.Mudge@... writes:

just hope I'm in

the right category.....

****************

Lachlan, If my memory serves me right, the categories for vegan or meat

eaters were determined by long questioner and blood and other tissue tests and

neurological reactions. Occasionaly I have seen references to this work in

some journals. When I run across such work again I will relay the info to you.

I do believe the main factor for a healthy diet is food ithat is grown on

healthy soil. The principles put forth by Sir Albert in the early 1900's

in the formation of the Organic Farming concepts still stand today. That is:

healthy soil= healthy animals= healthy people. Unfortunately the medical

cartel has taken people out of the sun for fictitious dangers. Thus depriving

the body of that source of Vit. D. Outside of calcium, magnesium, Vit D is a

most important need to the body. Stay well and wealthy Bill W

March 10, 2004

I also know about this diet - apparently it works really well although

I've never tried it myself. You first have to have a blood test to find

out which type you are, then you go on whichever diet is suitable for

this bloodtype. I think, for example, that Type O people need to eat

meat. I'll get a copy of the diet and post the details. Its also

apparently a very effective way of losing weight - as the body is then

only taking in substances that it is genetically programmed to deal

with.

Re: Re: Food Choices

In a message dated 3/9/2004 10:23:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Lachlan.Mudge@... writes:

All disagreements will be taken as constructive criticism and used in my

pursuit of knowledge about human nutrition. Lachlan

*******************

Hi Lachlan, the research on diet that made the most sense to me studied

large groups of people of different ethnic and genetic backgrounds. The

researchers concluded that the adaptations of your past ancestors had a

lot to do with

what foods were best for you. Part of the conclusions of this study (

can't

name the study as this was many years ago) was that about 2/3 of the

population could be vegans or meat eaters without much problem if the

food choices were

within their genetic experience. However, they also concluded that half

of

the remaining 1 /3 must be vegetatians to live healthy lives. And the

others

must be meat eaters to live well. Stay well and wealthy Bill W

March 10, 2004

As I was saying to Lachlan 'off list' I think that lack of protein can

sometimes produce ES-like symptoms. Protein powder - soya-based is

good. Interesitng that so many on this list are veg....makes you

wonder...

The other thing to mention is commercial milk. I'm always telling

people to drink either organic or Biodynamic milk which contains no

hormones or antibiotics. I have also found that hormone disturbances

can also cause ES-type symptoms.

Re: Food Choices

Yes, it seems that food has to do with my sensitivity as well! I eat

extremely much salt, and that makes me feel better by other aspects, but

could be that it worsens my ES! I am interested to try a diet rich in

potassium, I am going to let you know my findings! Also, my friends

" accuse " me of becoming electrosensitive due to generally lean diet - I

never eat meat, and animal products (fish, eggs, milk) I eat realtively

rarely... But all my family eats the same. My wife says that I am more

tolerant to everything when I eat more but I am boring to myself than...

Sometimes I think if I diminished my intellectual and other ambitions,

and relaxed more, that all my symptoms would have been better... That

matches somebody's observation ('s?) that meditation helps...

This discussion is very interesting, I wish we had more active ES

participants... Marc, how about advertising the list further? But the

problem really is that ES people simply don't use computers...

Drasko

March 11, 2004

Hi,

I am EHS with liver/digestion problems, so I found, I was much better staying

off vegetable proteins and fats. However, I need plenty animal proteins and

frequent meals.

My salt balance and pH-balance is skewed as well. I have a strong craving for

sea salt - NaCl - however take salt as herbal salt with potassium added to avoid

getting to low in potassium. Also to avoid too much cloride. I am also taking a

lot of different cell salts from New Era in the UK - based on my own reactions,

recommendations from other EHS (Lucinda Grants survey's copied to the esens

library etc.) and my kinesiology tests.

I reckon, I am rather too alkaline than too acidic - based on previous tests,

however, it is quite unstable, I think.

Nikolaj, writing in brain fog :-)

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