Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL

[Guest guest]

There will always be lawsuits class and otherwise, as long as our legal system

allows it.

I have discovered (through the help of groups like this) that we really need

to make ourselves

knowledgeable. If I had known beforehand what the statins would do to me or

what cortisone would do to me, I would not have take these things. With the

pharma system and/or the

supplement system, we don't get enough information without going on the net

and doing the research ourselves, and talking with others who have had similar

experiences.

I feel that it is a travesty that this is necessary, and that ordinary people

have to do their

own research and education in order not to be harmed and/or killed by these

manufacturers

and dispensers. Most people would not even understand lots of the terms used,

and just

give up the research, and not be able to protect themselves. It's pretty

disgusting.

I am not faulting the thousands of doctors, nurses and pharmacists that are

dedicated and

working so hard for the patients. All you need is one bad apple to spoil a

whole barrel, and

unfortunately there are more than one bad apple in the system.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

my friend Stuart slotnick is a lawyer and that is all he does work

pharmaceutical and non-pharmaceutical drug cases. in his experience it is about

2/3 pharm drugs and 1/3 supplement. but as the supplement market explodes in the

public awareness further that will probably change. he is seeing more non-pharm

cases.

Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL

You're right; the testimonial could be good as gold. Or it could have

been typed up in the charlatan's bedroom. And generally there's

absolutely no way for a prospective consumer to tell the difference, so

the net effect of testimonials is that, as factual evidence, they are

utterly worthless.

That being the case, why are so many used? Very simple; they work.

There's always someone gullible or desperate enough to shell out hard

earned cash for the slightest glimmer of hope; and there's a large

supply of potential customers who apparently have no discernment powers

whatsoever. And there's always an ample supply of those ready, willing,

and able to shear the sheep...

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>

> Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:38 pm (PST)

>

> Just because someone testifies to his/her own experiences does not

> automatically

> render that testimony bogus. If enough people have the same experience

> using the

> same thing, there should be serious consideration given to it, and

> double blind

> testing should begin at once. It only strikes me odd that this has not

> been done.

>

> The other thing I have come to know is that if something really works,

> it doesn't

> stay a secret. Prevention magazine, among others private and

> professional, have

> been telling the public about vitamin and other natural therapies for

> a very long

> time, and it is only recently that some doctors (including a

> neurologist I met

> personally at Colombia Presbyterian Hospital in NYC) are now telling

> their patients

> to take different vitamins for different illnesses, including Dr. Oz

> on the Oprah show.

>

> Roni

>

>

<res075oh@...<mailto:res075oh@...><mailto:res075oh@...<m\

ailto:res075oh@...>> <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> Patient review, at least that portion known as " testimonials " are such a

> well know stock in trade of the perpetrators of bogus concoctions and

> similar quacks that if you see a list of testimonials with any product

> or procedure then you should approach with extreme caution. Or better

> yet, run the other way...

>

> It's like getting an email that screams, " SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU

> KNOW... " . You can rest assured there's about a 99.999... percent chance

> it's bogus.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Chuck. You have cleared up that question for me. I am still leery of

the

iodine because of the experience my mother had, but at least I understand it a

bit

better now.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> Thank you for this information. Now I have another question. If the

> highest dose of

> iodine, determined by double blind studies is so much lower than Gracia

> and others

> have stated that they take, how do you account for their apparent

> success with the

> higher doses? By the way, I do not take iodine.

As I stated, some people have results that contradict the double blind

studies. The issue with iodine is that the large scale studies and

experiences with radio opaque dyes showed it to be toxic FOR SOME PEOPLE

at about the 3 mg level. However, you won't know whether you are one of

those until you try it. Evidently, Gracia and Sam are not in that

vulnerable minority, but people considering massive overdoses of iodine

as a panacea need to be aware that the studies definitely show there is

a risk.

Scientific studies similarly have shown that the RDA provides sufficient

iodine for most people, contrary to Guy Abraham's uptake urine test that

shows that 90% of the population desperately needs his company's product.

Chuck

---------------------------------

Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile. Try it now.

[Guest guest]

I can relate to the steroids- I was on 10 years of high dose decadron at 150 mg

every month. to put the dose in perspective; we use 20 mg max for neurosurgery

and brain trauma patients to decrease cerebral edema. I was taking this huge

whopping dose every month and it destroyed my body. it placed my metabolism in a

" coma " and made me gain a lot of weight.

if I knew what I know now I would never have agreed to go on steroids.

nancie

Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

You're right; the testimonial could be good as gold. Or it could have

been typed up in the charlatan's bedroom. And generally there's

absolutely no way for a prospective consumer to tell the difference, so

the net effect of testimonials is that, as factual evidence, they are

utterly worthless.

That being the case, why are so many used? Very simple; they work.

There's always someone gullible or desperate enough to shell out hard

earned cash for the slightest glimmer of hope; and there's a large

supply of potential customers who apparently have no discernment powers

whatsoever. And there's always an ample supply of those ready, willing,

and able to shear the sheep...

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin "

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>

> Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:38 pm (PST)

>

> Just because someone testifies to his/her own experiences does not

> automatically

> render that testimony bogus. If enough people have the same experience

> using the

> same thing, there should be serious consideration given to it, and

> double blind

> testing should begin at once. It only strikes me odd that this has not

> been done.

>

> The other thing I have come to know is that if something really works,

> it doesn't

> stay a secret. Prevention magazine, among others private and

> professional, have

> been telling the public about vitamin and other natural therapies for

> a very long

> time, and it is only recently that some doctors (including a

> neurologist I met

> personally at Colombia Presbyterian Hospital in NYC) are now telling

> their patients

> to take different vitamins for different illnesses, including Dr. Oz

> on the Oprah show.

>

> Roni

>

>

<res075oh@...<mailto:res075oh@...><mailto:res075oh@...<m\

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<mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> Patient review, at least that portion known as " testimonials " are such a

> well know stock in trade of the perpetrators of bogus concoctions and

> similar quacks that if you see a list of testimonials with any product

> or procedure then you should approach with extreme caution. Or better

> yet, run the other way...

>

> It's like getting an email that screams, " SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU

> KNOW... " . You can rest assured there's about a 99.999... percent chance

> it's bogus.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> I believe that the most scientific thing someone can do is keep an open

> mind. For example, it was recently discovered that there are some people who

are

> automatically immune to certain illnesses, like small pox....

Recently? Uh, the Middle Ages? People with natural immunity became

caretakers both for the plague and for smallpox. They were the survivors.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Nancie,

You wrote:

> ... it is about 2/3 pharm drugs and 1/3 supplement....

Considering the number of users involved, doesn't that give the

supplements a higher percentage?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Yes, of course, but that wasn't the point. What I was saying is that when

someone

applied some curiosity and science to the fact that some people are immune,

they

were able to realize where it came from and what its potential could produce.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> I believe that the most scientific thing someone can do is keep an open

> mind. For example, it was recently discovered that there are some people who

are

> automatically immune to certain illnesses, like small pox....

Recently? Uh, the Middle Ages? People with natural immunity became

caretakers both for the plague and for smallpox. They were the survivors.

Chuck

---------------------------------

Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside . See how.

[Guest guest]

No, if 1/3 of suits are against supplements and 2/3 oof suits areagainst

medications , more suits are filed against medications.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Nancie,

You wrote:

> ... it is about 2/3 pharm drugs and 1/3 supplement....

Considering the number of users involved, doesn't that give the

supplements a higher percentage?

Chuck

---------------------------------

Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside . See how.

[Guest guest]

it most likely will be- but right now one sees more law suits for pharmaceutical

drugs in comparison to supplements. He sees that changing because of the wacky

ads in those infomercials that people believe in...

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IODORAL

Nancie,

You wrote:

> ... it is about 2/3 pharm drugs and 1/3 supplement....

Considering the number of users involved, doesn't that give the

supplements a higher percentage?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> No, if 1/3 of suits are against supplements and 2/3 oof suits areagainst

> medications , more suits are filed against medications.

Although supplements have a surprisingly robust market (about $20

billion in the US in 2002), it is still a tiny fraction of that for

prescription medications (about $135 billion in the same year). Thus, to

produce 1/3 of the lawsuits, supplements must generate a MUCH higher

percentage, as I stated.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

From a scientific standpoint my recommendation to you is utterly

worthless. Without any scientific controls it is simply anecdotal in

nature. From a personal perspective you might put whatever credibility

that I have for intelligence, truthfulness, education or experience in

the field of recommendation, and whether [as you have pointed out] I

have anything to gain by my recommendation. You might consider such

things as whether I generally have rational, logical, and factual

backing for whatever I write. Generally if my statements are typically

well supported then it is likely you would give my opinion more credence

than someone who frequently does otherwise. OTOH, if my statements

contradict your opinions or experience you would probably give them

little credence even in the cases above.

If you are intelligent and well educated it is more likely that my

statements on medical matters will have greater credibility with you if

I coach them in the manner of, " I did this, and this was my results... "

rather than if I state, " You should do this and thus and so... " Unless

I am a well established expert in the field.

Personal recommendations can have a great value. At the same time you

can get great recommendations from such worthless crap as the " zapper "

and the hoaxes perpetrated by such as Hulda , so how do you

separate the valid from the bs? If you can't then the net result is a

null value.

You may [or may not] have noticed that I relate that I take 75 mcg

Synthroid; and that I DO NOT " prescribe " same for anyone else. I just

state that AFAIK it works for me, and I have no symptoms that would

encourage me to search for more relief. Who knows if that will change

tomorrow???

One of the reasons that personal recommendations, even from someone

whose opinion you value, can have dubious value is the famed " placebo

effect " . In some if not a great number of cases of medical tests those

taking a dummy pill will have great results; often 1/4 to 1/3 of those

taking such. So it's at least possible if not probable that if someone

takes a pill and improves greatly that in 25 or 30 cases out of every

100 it still means nothing relating to the effectiveness of the

treatment. For more info check here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:14 pm (PST)

>

> , I am not talking about testimony for the sake of sales. I am

> talking about

> testimony from patients taking this or that supplement, or this or

> that particular

> brand of medication. These people, like you and me, are ill and have

> nothing to gain

> except their health. I don't see the rationale for rendering their

> experiences utterly

> worthless. Are you saying that when you or one of the rest of us

> relates our experience

> with something that our words are utterly worthless?

>

> Roni

>

> <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> You're right; the testimonial could be good as gold. Or it could have

> been typed up in the charlatan's bedroom. And generally there's

> absolutely no way for a prospective consumer to tell the difference, so

> the net effect of testimonials is that, as factual evidence, they are

> utterly worthless.

>

> That being the case, why are so many used? Very simple; they work.

> There's always someone gullible or desperate enough to shell out hard

> earned cash for the slightest glimmer of hope; and there's a large

> supply of potential customers who apparently have no discernment powers

> whatsoever. And there's always an ample supply of those ready, willing,

> and able to shear the sheep...

>

>

>

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> >

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> >

> > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam%40>

> > <mailto:matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam%40>?Subject=%20Re%

> 3A%20CHRONIC%20IODINE%20DEFICIENCIES%20AND%20THE%20USE%20OF%20IODORAL>

> > matchermaam <matchermaam

> <matchermaam>>

> >

> >

> > Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:38 pm (PST)

> >

> > Just because someone testifies to his/her own experiences does not

> > automatically

> > render that testimony bogus. If enough people have the same experience

> > using the

> > same thing, there should be serious consideration given to it, and

> > double blind

> > testing should begin at once. It only strikes me odd that this has not

> > been done.

> >

> > The other thing I have come to know is that if something really works,

> > it doesn't

> > stay a secret. Prevention magazine, among others private and

> > professional, have

> > been telling the public about vitamin and other natural therapies for

> > a very long

> > time, and it is only recently that some doctors (including a

> > neurologist I met

> > personally at Colombia Presbyterian Hospital in NYC) are now telling

> > their patients

> > to take different vitamins for different illnesses, including Dr. Oz

> > on the Oprah show.

> >

> > Roni

> >

> > <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>

> <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> > Patient review, at least that portion known as " testimonials " are such a

> > well know stock in trade of the perpetrators of bogus concoctions and

> > similar quacks that if you see a list of testimonials with any product

> > or procedure then you should approach with extreme caution. Or better

> > yet, run the other way...

> >

> > It's like getting an email that screams, " SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU

> > KNOW... " . You can rest assured there's about a 99.999... percent chance

> > it's bogus.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You don't want your mind so open that any charlatan can fill it with any

rubbish he desires. The charlatans and nut cases so many times follow

exactly the same modis operandi, so it helps to be aware of it.

> .

>

>

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:20 pm (PST)

>

> I believe that the most scientific thing someone can do is keep an

> open mind.

[Guest guest]

But that has its limits too; when I start " prescribing " for others.

Suppose, for example, I find that I do great on 600 mcg of Synthroid

daily, while the manufacturer and all the available scientific studies

suggest that over 300 mcg [just to pull a number out of my hat] can be

dangerous. If I recommend my regimen to others here it is very

reckless. Even for me to state that I take 600 mcg daily and do great

would be irresponsible if I did not also point out very clearly that

such actions are considered VERY RISKY. Otherwise IMHO my opinion

SHOULD NOT be respected.

> .

>

>

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:38 pm (PST)

>

> Exactly! That is all that I was trying to get across. Different people

> react differently.

> All should be accepted and respected.

>

> Roni

>

> Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@... <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com>> wrote:

> what I meant is that everyone has different genetics and that while

> one dose may work with one person- or in 3 people- that same dose will

> not work with someone else and in fact may be dangerous for that 2nd

> person to take.

> so, what works for gracia may not work in someone else.

> there isn't a one size fits all dose scenario here. and there isn't a

> one drug/supplement cure all diseases scenario either.

[Guest guest]

That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive, so the

monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> No, if 1/3 of suits are against supplements and 2/3 oof suits areagainst

> medications , more suits are filed against medications.

Although supplements have a surprisingly robust market (about $20

billion in the US in 2002), it is still a tiny fraction of that for

prescription medications (about $135 billion in the same year). Thus, to

produce 1/3 of the lawsuits, supplements must generate a MUCH higher

percentage, as I stated.

Chuck

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Oh , I am well aware of charletans and nut cases. I come from New York

and with so many people in so small a space, you get to see it all. LOL

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

You don't want your mind so open that any charlatan can fill it with

any

rubbish he desires. The charlatans and nut cases so many times follow

exactly the same modis operandi, so it helps to be aware of it.

> .

>

>

> Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL

>

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:20 pm (PST)

>

> I believe that the most scientific thing someone can do is keep an

> open mind.

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the percentages are not exact but rough estimates of the number of cases he has

and has had come into his firm. as more people use the crazy dangerous

supplements that are out there the numbers will increase.

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> No, if 1/3 of suits are against supplements and 2/3 oof suits areagainst

> medications , more suits are filed against medications.

Although supplements have a surprisingly robust market (about $20

billion in the US in 2002), it is still a tiny fraction of that for

prescription medications (about $135 billion in the same year). Thus, to

produce 1/3 of the lawsuits, supplements must generate a MUCH higher

percentage, as I stated.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

actually iodine supplementation " in massive overdose amounts " is being used by

LOTS of ppl, not just Sam and I. There are various reasons why RDA is keeping

us very sick. I would be scared to go one day without Iodoral. Join the

iodine group on groups for good info.

Gracia

Thank you Chuck. You have cleared up that question for me. I am still leery of

the

iodine because of the experience my mother had, but at least I understand it a

bit

better now.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> Thank you for this information. Now I have another question. If the

> highest dose of

> iodine, determined by double blind studies is so much lower than Gracia

> and others

> have stated that they take, how do you account for their apparent

> success with the

> higher doses? By the way, I do not take iodine.

As I stated, some people have results that contradict the double blind

studies. The issue with iodine is that the large scale studies and

experiences with radio opaque dyes showed it to be toxic FOR SOME PEOPLE

at about the 3 mg level. However, you won't know whether you are one of

those until you try it. Evidently, Gracia and Sam are not in that

vulnerable minority, but people considering massive overdoses of iodine

as a panacea need to be aware that the studies definitely show there is

a risk.

Scientific studies similarly have shown that the RDA provides sufficient

iodine for most people, contrary to Guy Abraham's uptake urine test that

shows that 90% of the population desperately needs his company's product.

Chuck

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what are the " crazy dangerous supplements " ?

Gracia

the percentages are not exact but rough estimates of the number of cases he

has and has had come into his firm. as more people use the crazy dangerous

supplements that are out there the numbers will increase.

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> No, if 1/3 of suits are against supplements and 2/3 oof suits areagainst

> medications , more suits are filed against medications.

Although supplements have a surprisingly robust market (about $20

billion in the US in 2002), it is still a tiny fraction of that for

prescription medications (about $135 billion in the same year). Thus, to

produce 1/3 of the lawsuits, supplements must generate a MUCH higher

percentage, as I stated.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

really? so the explosion in autism, ADHD, ADD, thyroid and sex organ

cancers, hormone/hypo/hpyer illnesses are caused by?????

Gracia

Scientific studies similarly have shown that the RDA provides sufficient

iodine for most people, contrary to Guy Abraham's uptake urine test that

shows that 90% of the population desperately needs his company's product.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

By Us Gracia , I believe that we have caused our own Imminune system to go

pff balance and get wacky,

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

>

>

>

>

> really? so the explosion in autism, ADHD, ADD, thyroid and sex organ

> cancers, hormone/hypo/hpyer illnesses are caused by?????

>

> Gracia

>

>

>

>

>

> Scientific studies similarly have shown that the RDA provides sufficient

> iodine for most people, contrary to Guy Abraham's uptake urine test that

> shows that 90% of the population desperately needs his company's product.

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe there was recently some info in the newspaper that scientists

had discovered the genetic material that provided the immunity; or

something about it. But I'm not sure...

> Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL

>

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> Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@...

>

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> gumbo482001 <gumbo482001>

>

>

> Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:19 pm (PST)

>

> Roni,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > I believe that the most scientific thing someone can do is keep an open

> > mind. For example, it was recently discovered that there are some

> people who are

> > automatically immune to certain illnesses, like small pox....

>

> Recently? Uh, the Middle Ages? People with natural immunity became

> caretakers both for the plague and for smallpox. They were the survivors.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

In order to intelligently discuss percentages there must be a stated or

presumed criteria to which the percentage is applied. Chuck has chosen

dollars, possibly because statistics are available with presumed

reasonable accuracy. If you want to apply percentages to something

else [pounds, number of doses, number of users, whatever?] then that

needs to be stated too. You seem possibly to imply the number of units

sold?

>

> Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CHRONIC%20IODINE%20DEFICIENCIES\

%20AND%20THE%20USE%20OF%20IODORAL>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:10 pm (PST)

>

> That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more

> expensive, so the

> monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits.

>

> Roni

>

> Chuck B <gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>> wrote:

> Roni,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> >

> > No, if 1/3 of suits are against supplements and 2/3 oof suits

> areagainst

> > medications , more suits are filed against medications.

>

> Although supplements have a surprisingly robust market (about $20

> billion in the US in 2002), it is still a tiny fraction of that for

> prescription medications (about $135 billion in the same year). Thus, to

> produce 1/3 of the lawsuits, supplements must generate a MUCH higher

> percentage, as I stated.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

That's right.

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

I believe there was recently some info in the newspaper that

scientists

had discovered the genetic material that provided the immunity; or

something about it. But I'm not sure...

> Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@...

>

<mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CHRONIC%20IODINE%20DEFICIENCIES%20A\

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> gumbo482001 <gumbo482001>

>

>

> Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:19 pm (PST)

>

> Roni,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > I believe that the most scientific thing someone can do is keep an open

> > mind. For example, it was recently discovered that there are some

> people who are

> > automatically immune to certain illnesses, like small pox....

>

> Recently? Uh, the Middle Ages? People with natural immunity became

> caretakers both for the plague and for smallpox. They were the survivors.

>

> Chuck

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I would agree that they are caused by us, but would add that 30/40 yrs

ago -in that range, no one knew what ADHD/ADD was - and kids were put into

" special " classes because they were " slow " or some other terms. (My own

school had special classrooms for these special kids where they were taught

manual tasks to sustain them as adults, i.e. carpentry, auto mechanics and

the like. This was my Junior high school - grades 7 through 9. Autism

probably didn't have a name and children were deemed " retarded " kept home,

protected from the world. I remember in my neighborhood two boys - one sat

on his step and folded a handkerchief all day long. We couldn't play with

him - he never even acknowledged us - he died very young from heart

problems. The other boy waved a small American flag incessantly and

repeated " I pledge allegiance " - just those words, all day long. There is

no doubt in my mind they were autistic, but this was 1954 and none of us had

a doc (school nurse - but no doc) and kids like that weren't even put into

school. We will probably never know how many of those kids were one of the

other - attention deficit kids or autism kids - a good many of whom were

totally salvageable had we known enough about how to reach them.

So pitifully few folks had access to docs (forget such things as health

insurance) and so these kids went unrecorded and untreated.

Now in these days of statistic keeping and much easier access to medical

care, we have an idea of how many people are afflicted with disorders such

as you mention below.

I don't know where you got stats on sex organ cancers - but most people just

died from cancer because there were no docs to treat to them - and no way to

get to a docs, and no way to pay a doc. I do know from doing my own

genology that 4 of my female ancestors died from female organ cancers - as

recorded on death certs - but NONE were treated.. They were without funds

to get help.

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

By Us Gracia , I believe that we have caused our own Imminune system to go

pff balance and get wacky,

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

>

>

>

>

> really? so the explosion in autism, ADHD, ADD, thyroid and sex organ

> cancers, hormone/hypo/hpyer illnesses are caused by?????

>

> Gracia

>

>

>

>

>

> Scientific studies similarly have shown that the RDA provides sufficient

> iodine for most people, contrary to Guy Abraham's uptake urine test that

> shows that 90% of the population desperately needs his company's product.

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive,

> so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits.

>

Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort

of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the

same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the

U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country.

Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds

produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have

any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I agree. What I do not like is the fact that we are handed prescriptions for

everything, without very much real checking done, and without natural means

being tried. This is how the doctors are taught in med school, and this is what

they do in practice. The holistic doctors use both medical and natural means to

help their patients.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive,

> so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits.

>

Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort

of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the

same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the

U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country.

Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds

produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have

any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law.

Chuck

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