Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL

November 13, 2007

Well, this may not be a recent discovery - just hasn't been studied enough

to be publicly discussed til now.

I am 59 years old. The smallpox vaccine never " took " on me, though I was

given it on 3 separate tries. There was no follow up done - they just told

my mother that they had encountered any number of kids with this failure to

react and they were just to record our names and that we should be assured

that we were safe.

I believe I was 3 yrs old at the time - heading for nursery school.

Injections were given by the school nurses in my neighborhood then.

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

I believe that the most scientific thing someone can do is keep an open

mind.

For example, it was recently discovered that there are some people who are

automatically immune to certain illnesses, like small pox. In fact I know

someone

who is immune, and though vaccinated many times never had one of the

attempts

" take " . Some scientist looked into the phenomenon and discovered that distan

ancestors that survived that illness, passed that gene on down. If no one

believed

the results they were looking at and labeled them worthless or a genetic

anomoly

they would never have found this result. Some day, these genes will be

isolated, and

people can be given a " shot " of the gene to prevent these devestating

illnesses.

Please don't respond that there is more to it than that, I am well aware of

that fact.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspiritmsn (DOT) <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com> com> wrote:

individual genetics.

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

Thank you for this information. Now I have another question. If the highest

dose of

iodine, determined by double blind studies is so much lower than Gracia and

others

have stated that they take, how do you account for their apparent success

with the

higher doses? By the way, I do not take iodine.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>

net<mailto:gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net>> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

> ... If enough people have the same experience

> using the same thing, there should be serious consideration given to it,

and

> double blind testing should begin at once. It only strikes me odd that

this has not

> been done.

It has been done. That is the basis for the limited doses that

manufacturers recommend. The problem is that some people testify to

experiences that contradict the double blind studies.

Chuck

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November 13, 2007

most mds but NOT all practice that way. I know many that incorporate alternative

medicine in their practices. PLUS many of the younger ones have received natural

medicine training depending on where they trained. UCLA has a natural medicine

course that both graduate level medical students; nursing students; dentistry;

public health can take. University of Arizona, university of new Mexico, Yale,

Harvard, standford, university of California at san Francisco and san Diego have

them; university of southern California (usc) also has them.

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

I agree. What I do not like is the fact that we are handed prescriptions for

everything, without very much real checking done, and without natural means

being tried. This is how the doctors are taught in med school, and this is what

they do in practice. The holistic doctors use both medical and natural means to

help their patients.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...<mailto:gumboyaya@...>> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive,

> so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits.

>

Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort

of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the

same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the

U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country.

Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds

produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have

any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law.

Chuck

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November 13, 2007

well they have them and they are growing. one of them is that supplement

" cortisol " that markets if you take these pills then it will flatten your belly,

bs; another is estrin D; the list goes on... remember Herbalife? well they were

sued too and had to retract many of their " claims " , they are still around but

they don't market like they used too, because the feds are watching them.

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive,

> so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits.

>

Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort

of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the

same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the

U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country.

Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds

produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have

any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law.

Chuck

November 13, 2007

watch late night infomercials-they are all there.

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> No, if 1/3 of suits are against supplements and 2/3 oof suits areagainst

> medications , more suits are filed against medications.

Although supplements have a surprisingly robust market (about $20

billion in the US in 2002), it is still a tiny fraction of that for

prescription medications (about $135 billion in the same year). Thus, to

produce 1/3 of the lawsuits, supplements must generate a MUCH higher

percentage, as I stated.

Chuck

November 13, 2007

Nancie, may I direct your attention to the last line of my post? I acknowledged

that some doctors use both.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

most mds but NOT all practice that way. I know many that incorporate

alternative medicine in their practices. PLUS many of the younger ones have

received natural medicine training depending on where they trained. UCLA has a

natural medicine course that both graduate level medical students; nursing

students; dentistry; public health can take. University of Arizona, university

of new Mexico, Yale, Harvard, standford, university of California at san

Francisco and san Diego have them; university of southern California (usc) also

has them.

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

I agree. What I do not like is the fact that we are handed prescriptions for

everything, without very much real checking done, and without natural means

being tried. This is how the doctors are taught in med school, and this is what

they do in practice. The holistic doctors use both medical and natural means to

help their patients.

Roni

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November 13, 2007

I think you are forgetting about all the legitimate supplements like vitamins

a,b,c,d,e,

the minerals magnesium, potassium, sodium, etc., COQ10, and others. These

things

are being prescribed by cardiologists, internists, neurologists, etc.

Just because something is not a created chemical, doesn't mean it is not good,

quite the contrary. I would certainly rather take vitamin and mineral

supplements

that occur naturally in my body than chemicals which never were there in the

first

place.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

well they have them and they are growing. one of them is that

supplement " cortisol " that markets if you take these pills then it will flatten

your belly, bs; another is estrin D; the list goes on... remember Herbalife?

well they were sued too and had to retract many of their " claims " , they are

still around but they don't market like they used too, because the feds are

watching them.

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive,

> so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits.

>

Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort

of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the

same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the

U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country.

Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds

produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have

any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law.

Chuck

November 13, 2007

I wasn't addressing the legitimate supplements- I was addressing the crazy

supplements that have no legitimacy and have been proven to scams. they are the

ones that are being sued NOT the legitimate ones.

btw, all modern medications came from PLANT or animal orgins. all

pharmaceutical companies have done is isolate the chemical properties of the

source [ plant or animal] and recreated them in the lab.

plants and animal sources are chemicals- that is right they are all made up of

chemical compounds that can be isolated and recreated in the lab. take digoxin,

a heart med it is from the plant digitalis aka foxglove. or Gaucher's disease

which was originally treated using the ovaries of a specific hamster species and

now they have been able to isolate the chemical structure of the compounds found

in the ovaries and recreate it in the lab. or insulin dependent diabetes the

insulin used to come from pigs now it comes from human recombinant dna that is

much safer for people with hyperactive immune systems that may not do well on

pig insulin. plus it is better for the pigs

when you buy tumeric pills in the herbal store- these were created from the

chemical compounds found in the living plant and recreated in the lab for us

humans to take. or how about vitamins and minerals- they are chemically created

in a lab. every supplement out there that you buy from either a compounding

pharmacy or a health food store has been recreated in a lab and made into pills,

capsules or liquids. the only exception is Chinese herbs from a Chinese herbal

store that sells herbal dried plant parts.

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive,

> so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits.

>

Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort

of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the

same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the

U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country.

Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds

produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have

any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law.

Chuck

November 13, 2007

you said HOLISTIC drs, <The holistic doctors use both medical and natural means

to help their patients.>

not allopathic mds. my point is that allopathic md are learning about natural

medicine and using it in their practices, not many but it is improving...

Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF

IODORAL

I agree. What I do not like is the fact that we are handed prescriptions for

everything, without very much real checking done, and without natural means

being tried. This is how the doctors are taught in med school, and this is what

they do in practice. The holistic doctors use both medical and natural means to

help their patients.

Roni

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Funny you should mention Digoxin, because it is the drug the cardiologist wanted

to give me for atrial fibrillation. At first I was taking a calcium channel

blocker too.

Roni

DRUG INTERACTIONS: There is little cushion between a therapeutically

beneficial level of digoxin and a toxic level of digoxin. Digoxin toxicity is

common, especially in patients with kidney dysfunction. Digoxin toxicity can

cause potentially life- threatening heart rhythm disturbances, ranging from very

slow to rapid ventricular rhythms. In patients with existing disease of the

electrical conduction of the heart, digoxin can precipitate heart block and a

seriously slow heart rate.

Patients with low blood potassium levels can develop digoxin toxicity even

when digoxin levels are not considered elevated. Similarly, high calcium and low

magnesium blood levels can increase digoxin toxicity and produce serious heart

rhythm disturbances. Drugs such as quinidine, verapamil (Calan), and amiodarone

(Cordarone) can increase digoxin levels and the risk of toxicity. The

co-administration of digoxin and beta blockers, such as Inderal, or calcium

channel blockers, such as Calan, can cause serious slowing of the heart rate.

SIDE EFFECTS: The most common side effects are related to digoxin toxicity and

heart rhythm disturbances. Other side effects include abdominal pain, nausea,

vomiting, loss of appetite, breast enlargement, skin rash, blurred vision, and

mental changes.

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

I wasn't addressing the legitimate supplements- I was addressing the

crazy supplements that have no legitimacy and have been proven to scams. they

are the ones that are being sued NOT the legitimate ones.

btw, all modern medications came from PLANT or animal orgins. all pharmaceutical

companies have done is isolate the chemical properties of the source [ plant or

animal] and recreated them in the lab.