Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Well, this may not be a recent discovery - just hasn't been studied enough to be publicly discussed til now. I am 59 years old. The smallpox vaccine never " took " on me, though I was given it on 3 separate tries. There was no follow up done - they just told my mother that they had encountered any number of kids with this failure to react and they were just to record our names and that we should be assured that we were safe. I believe I was 3 yrs old at the time - heading for nursery school. Injections were given by the school nurses in my neighborhood then. Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL I believe that the most scientific thing someone can do is keep an open mind. For example, it was recently discovered that there are some people who are automatically immune to certain illnesses, like small pox. In fact I know someone who is immune, and though vaccinated many times never had one of the attempts " take " . Some scientist looked into the phenomenon and discovered that distan ancestors that survived that illness, passed that gene on down. If no one believed the results they were looking at and labeled them worthless or a genetic anomoly they would never have found this result. Some day, these genes will be isolated, and people can be given a " shot " of the gene to prevent these devestating illnesses. Please don't respond that there is more to it than that, I am well aware of that fact. Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspiritmsn (DOT) <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com> com> wrote: individual genetics. Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL Thank you for this information. Now I have another question. If the highest dose of iodine, determined by double blind studies is so much lower than Gracia and others have stated that they take, how do you account for their apparent success with the higher doses? By the way, I do not take iodine. Roni Chuck B <gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net<mailto:gumboyayacox (DOT) <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net> net>> wrote: Roni, You wrote: > ... If enough people have the same experience > using the same thing, there should be serious consideration given to it, and > double blind testing should begin at once. It only strikes me odd that this has not > been done. It has been done. That is the basis for the limited doses that manufacturers recommend. The problem is that some people testify to experiences that contradict the double blind studies. Chuck --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside . See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 most mds but NOT all practice that way. I know many that incorporate alternative medicine in their practices. PLUS many of the younger ones have received natural medicine training depending on where they trained. UCLA has a natural medicine course that both graduate level medical students; nursing students; dentistry; public health can take. University of Arizona, university of new Mexico, Yale, Harvard, standford, university of California at san Francisco and san Diego have them; university of southern California (usc) also has them. Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL I agree. What I do not like is the fact that we are handed prescriptions for everything, without very much real checking done, and without natural means being tried. This is how the doctors are taught in med school, and this is what they do in practice. The holistic doctors use both medical and natural means to help their patients. Roni Chuck B <gumboyaya@...<mailto:gumboyaya@...>> wrote: Roni, You wrote: > > > That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive, > so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits. > Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country. Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law. Chuck --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 well they have them and they are growing. one of them is that supplement " cortisol " that markets if you take these pills then it will flatten your belly, bs; another is estrin D; the list goes on... remember Herbalife? well they were sued too and had to retract many of their " claims " , they are still around but they don't market like they used too, because the feds are watching them. Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL Roni, You wrote: > > > That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive, > so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits. > Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country. Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 watch late night infomercials-they are all there. Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL Roni, You wrote: > > > No, if 1/3 of suits are against supplements and 2/3 oof suits areagainst > medications , more suits are filed against medications. Although supplements have a surprisingly robust market (about $20 billion in the US in 2002), it is still a tiny fraction of that for prescription medications (about $135 billion in the same year). Thus, to produce 1/3 of the lawsuits, supplements must generate a MUCH higher percentage, as I stated. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Nancie, may I direct your attention to the last line of my post? I acknowledged that some doctors use both. Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: most mds but NOT all practice that way. I know many that incorporate alternative medicine in their practices. PLUS many of the younger ones have received natural medicine training depending on where they trained. UCLA has a natural medicine course that both graduate level medical students; nursing students; dentistry; public health can take. University of Arizona, university of new Mexico, Yale, Harvard, standford, university of California at san Francisco and san Diego have them; university of southern California (usc) also has them. Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL I agree. What I do not like is the fact that we are handed prescriptions for everything, without very much real checking done, and without natural means being tried. This is how the doctors are taught in med school, and this is what they do in practice. The holistic doctors use both medical and natural means to help their patients. Roni --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 I think you are forgetting about all the legitimate supplements like vitamins a,b,c,d,e, the minerals magnesium, potassium, sodium, etc., COQ10, and others. These things are being prescribed by cardiologists, internists, neurologists, etc. Just because something is not a created chemical, doesn't mean it is not good, quite the contrary. I would certainly rather take vitamin and mineral supplements that occur naturally in my body than chemicals which never were there in the first place. Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: well they have them and they are growing. one of them is that supplement " cortisol " that markets if you take these pills then it will flatten your belly, bs; another is estrin D; the list goes on... remember Herbalife? well they were sued too and had to retract many of their " claims " , they are still around but they don't market like they used too, because the feds are watching them. Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL Roni, You wrote: > > > That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive, > so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits. > Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country. Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 I wasn't addressing the legitimate supplements- I was addressing the crazy supplements that have no legitimacy and have been proven to scams. they are the ones that are being sued NOT the legitimate ones. btw, all modern medications came from PLANT or animal orgins. all pharmaceutical companies have done is isolate the chemical properties of the source [ plant or animal] and recreated them in the lab. plants and animal sources are chemicals- that is right they are all made up of chemical compounds that can be isolated and recreated in the lab. take digoxin, a heart med it is from the plant digitalis aka foxglove. or Gaucher's disease which was originally treated using the ovaries of a specific hamster species and now they have been able to isolate the chemical structure of the compounds found in the ovaries and recreate it in the lab. or insulin dependent diabetes the insulin used to come from pigs now it comes from human recombinant dna that is much safer for people with hyperactive immune systems that may not do well on pig insulin. plus it is better for the pigs when you buy tumeric pills in the herbal store- these were created from the chemical compounds found in the living plant and recreated in the lab for us humans to take. or how about vitamins and minerals- they are chemically created in a lab. every supplement out there that you buy from either a compounding pharmacy or a health food store has been recreated in a lab and made into pills, capsules or liquids. the only exception is Chinese herbs from a Chinese herbal store that sells herbal dried plant parts. Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL Roni, You wrote: > > > That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive, > so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits. > Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country. Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 you said HOLISTIC drs, <The holistic doctors use both medical and natural means to help their patients.> not allopathic mds. my point is that allopathic md are learning about natural medicine and using it in their practices, not many but it is improving... Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL I agree. What I do not like is the fact that we are handed prescriptions for everything, without very much real checking done, and without natural means being tried. This is how the doctors are taught in med school, and this is what they do in practice. The holistic doctors use both medical and natural means to help their patients. Roni --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Funny you should mention Digoxin, because it is the drug the cardiologist wanted to give me for atrial fibrillation. At first I was taking a calcium channel blocker too. Roni DRUG INTERACTIONS: There is little cushion between a therapeutically beneficial level of digoxin and a toxic level of digoxin. Digoxin toxicity is common, especially in patients with kidney dysfunction. Digoxin toxicity can cause potentially life- threatening heart rhythm disturbances, ranging from very slow to rapid ventricular rhythms. In patients with existing disease of the electrical conduction of the heart, digoxin can precipitate heart block and a seriously slow heart rate. Patients with low blood potassium levels can develop digoxin toxicity even when digoxin levels are not considered elevated. Similarly, high calcium and low magnesium blood levels can increase digoxin toxicity and produce serious heart rhythm disturbances. Drugs such as quinidine, verapamil (Calan), and amiodarone (Cordarone) can increase digoxin levels and the risk of toxicity. The co-administration of digoxin and beta blockers, such as Inderal, or calcium channel blockers, such as Calan, can cause serious slowing of the heart rate. SIDE EFFECTS: The most common side effects are related to digoxin toxicity and heart rhythm disturbances. Other side effects include abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, breast enlargement, skin rash, blurred vision, and mental changes. Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: I wasn't addressing the legitimate supplements- I was addressing the crazy supplements that have no legitimacy and have been proven to scams. they are the ones that are being sued NOT the legitimate ones. btw, all modern medications came from PLANT or animal orgins. all pharmaceutical companies have done is isolate the chemical properties of the source [ plant or animal] and recreated them in the lab. plants and animal sources are chemicals- that is right they are all made up of chemical compounds that can be isolated and recreated in the lab. take digoxin, a heart med it is from the plant digitalis aka foxglove. or Gaucher's disease which was originally treated using the ovaries of a specific hamster species and now they have been able to isolate the chemical structure of the compounds found in the ovaries and recreate it in the lab. or insulin dependent diabetes the insulin used to come from pigs now it comes from human recombinant dna that is much safer for people with hyperactive immune systems that may not do well on pig insulin. plus it is better for the pigs when you buy tumeric pills in the herbal store- these were created from the chemical compounds found in the living plant and recreated in the lab for us humans to take. or how about vitamins and minerals- they are chemically created in a lab. every supplement out there that you buy from either a compounding pharmacy or a health food store has been recreated in a lab and made into pills, capsules or liquids. the only exception is Chinese herbs from a Chinese herbal store that sells herbal dried plant parts. Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL Roni, You wrote: > > > That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive, > so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits. > Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country. Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 yes it is a tricky dosing. my mom is on it she has AFib as well. she has done really well on it- no problems so far. Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL Roni, You wrote: > > > That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive, > so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits. > Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country. Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Yes and that is why there is MRSA -- Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL I agree. What I do not like is the fact that we are handed prescriptions for everything, without very much real checking done, and without natural means being tried. This is how the doctors are taught in med school, and this is what they do in practice. The holistic doctors use both medical and natural means to help their patients. Roni Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Roni, You wrote: > > > That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive, > so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits. > Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country. Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law. Chuck --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 ALl you A-fibbers, were you runners? -- Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL yes it is a tricky dosing. my mom is on it she has AFib as well. she has done really well on it- no problems so far. Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL Roni, You wrote: > > > That doesn't automatically follow. Medications are much more expensive, > so the monetary difference could lie in the price, not in the lawsuits. > Then measure it by customers. In 2004, 18.9% of Americans took some sort of supplement. What percentage do you think had a prescription in the same time. In 2005, over 4 billion prescriptions were filled in the U.S., averaging over 12 prescriptions per person in the country. Considering that volume of use, is it surprising that prescription meds produce 2/3 of the lawsuits? The surprise is that otc supplements have any suits at all, since their potency is so limited by law. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 I don't think this is true at all. Armour, cortef, Iodoral, bioidentical hormones work great for lots of ppl. Read Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD. no genetic testing required!! Gracia Exactly! That is all that I was trying to get across. Different people react differently. All should be accepted and respected. Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: what I meant is that everyone has different genetics and that while one dose may work with one person- or in 3 people- that same dose will not work with someone else and in fact may be dangerous for that 2nd person to take. so, what works for gracia may not work in someone else. there isn't a one size fits all dose scenario here. and there isn't a one drug/supplement cure all diseases scenario either. Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. Healthy Eating Find that are focused on healthy eating. Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1125 - Release Date: 11/11/2007 9:50 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 ridiculous. there are class action lawsuits about miracle supplements and no class action lawsuits about all the bogus drugs out there? you mean Enzyte doesn't make a man studly? Gracia and that is why so many of those " miracle supplements' are being sued in class action law suits. Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Resources on Find answers, help and support. Healthy Eating Zone Encouraging families to eat healthy. Health Fit for Life Getting fit is now easier than ever. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1125 - Release Date: 11/11/2007 9:50 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Well, for example today's Tampa Tribune has a story about supplements causing ever more people to wind up in the emergency room. One thing they mentioned is the supplements that are supposed to act the same as Viagra and similar erectile dysfunction treatments. I don't remember any of the names. > > Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL > <hypothyroidism/message/32497;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG9scnR\ lBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI0OTcEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NDk5MDE0MQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CHRONIC%20IODINE%20DEFICIENCIES%20AND%2\ 0THE%20USE%20OF%20IODORAL> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:24 am (PST) > > > what are the " crazy dangerous supplements " > ? > Gracia > > the percentages are not exact but rough estimates of the number of > cases he has and has had come into his firm. as more people use the > crazy dangerous supplements that are out there the numbers will increase. > Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE > USE OF IODORAL > > Roni, > > You wrote: > > > > > > No, if 1/3 of suits are against supplements and 2/3 oof suits > areagainst > > medications , more suits are filed against medications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 I see you know what life [and death] was like in " the good old days " . Too bad those who condemn modern medicine don't remember. > > Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL > <hypothyroidism/message/32516;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdThqaDU\ 1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI1MTYEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTAwMDAxMw--> > > > > Posted by: " Dusty " dusty@... > <mailto:dusty@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CHRONIC%20IODINE%20DEFICIENCIES\ %20AND%20THE%20USE%20OF%20IODORAL> > mslatrobe <mslatrobe> > > > Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:00 pm (PST) > > I would agree that they are caused by us, but would add that 30/40 yrs > ago -in that range, no one knew what ADHD/ADD was - and kids were put into > " special " classes because they were " slow " or some other terms. (My own > school had special classrooms for these special kids where they were > taught > manual tasks to sustain them as adults, i.e. carpentry, auto mechanics and > the like. This was my Junior high school - grades 7 through 9. Autism > probably didn't have a name and children were deemed " retarded " kept home, > protected from the world. I remember in my neighborhood two boys - one sat > on his step and folded a handkerchief all day long. We couldn't play with > him - he never even acknowledged us - he died very young from heart > problems. The other boy waved a small American flag incessantly and > repeated " I pledge allegiance " - just those words, all day long. There is > no doubt in my mind they were autistic, but this was 1954 and none of > us had > a doc (school nurse - but no doc) and kids like that weren't even put into > school. We will probably never know how many of those kids were one of the > other - attention deficit kids or autism kids - a good many of whom were > totally salvageable had we known enough about how to reach them. > > So pitifully few folks had access to docs (forget such things as health > insurance) and so these kids went unrecorded and untreated. > > Now in these days of statistic keeping and much easier access to medical > care, we have an idea of how many people are afflicted with disorders such > as you mention below. > > I don't know where you got stats on sex organ cancers - but most > people just > died from cancer because there were no docs to treat to them - and no > way to > get to a docs, and no way to pay a doc. I do know from doing my own > genology that 4 of my female ancestors died from female organ cancers - as > recorded on death certs - but NONE were treated.. They were without funds > to get help. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 I think this is wrong. I will check on this. Gracia Roni, You wrote: > ... If enough people have the same experience > using the same thing, there should be serious consideration given to it, and > double blind testing should begin at once. It only strikes me odd that this has not > been done. It has been done. That is the basis for the limited doses that manufacturers recommend. The problem is that some people testify to experiences that contradict the double blind studies. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1125 - Release Date: 11/11/2007 9:50 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Did it also mention the bad things the rx's have caused? -- Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL Well, for example today's Tampa Tribune has a story about supplements causing ever more people to wind up in the emergency room. One thing they mentioned is the supplements that are supposed to act the same as Viagra and similar erectile dysfunction treatments. I don't remember any of the names. > > Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL > <hypothyroidism/message/32497 _ylc=X3oDMTJxbG9scnRlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw DIEbXNnSWQDMzI0OTcEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NDk5MDE0MQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@gwi net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CHRONIC%20IODINE%20DEFICIENCIES%20AND%20THE%20USE%20OF 20IODORAL> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:24 am (PST) > > > what are the " crazy dangerous supplements " > ? > Gracia > > the percentages are not exact but rough estimates of the number of > cases he has and has had come into his firm. as more people use the > crazy dangerous supplements that are out there the numbers will increase. > Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE > USE OF IODORAL > > Roni, > > You wrote: > > > > > > No, if 1/3 of suits are against supplements and 2/3 oof suits > areagainst > > medications , more suits are filed against medications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 That is what I was acknowledging. I just don't know if it is for me. Roni Gracia <circe@...> wrote: I don't think this is true at all. Armour, cortef, Iodoral, bioidentical hormones work great for lots of ppl. Read Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD. no genetic testing required!! Gracia Exactly! That is all that I was trying to get across. Different people react differently. All should be accepted and respected. Roni Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: what I meant is that everyone has different genetics and that while one dose may work with one person- or in 3 people- that same dose will not work with someone else and in fact may be dangerous for that 2nd person to take. so, what works for gracia may not work in someone else. there isn't a one size fits all dose scenario here. and there isn't a one drug/supplement cure all diseases scenario either. Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Cancer Support Groups on Find answers, connect with others. Healthy Eating Find that are focused on healthy eating. Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. .. ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1125 - Release Date: 11/11/2007 9:50 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Could be. Or it could be that part of the problem causing MRSA was that so many people did not take the medication as prescribed. When the prescription was not all taken sometimes the result could be that some of the microorganisms would be only weakened rather than killed. So they could survive, and through this " unnatural selection " process the more resistant were given a chance to reproduce, and to develop greater immunity. In addition, we the public have often demanded such things as an antibiotic for a cold, when the cold virus is not affected by the antibiotic. So it may be a combination of things... > > Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL > <hypothyroidism/message/32544;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdTgxdjB\ iBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI1NDQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTAxNTk5Mw--> > > > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CHRONIC%20IODINE%20DEFICIENCIES%\ 20AND%20THE%20USE%20OF%20IODORAL> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:54 pm (PST) > > Yes and that is why there is MRSA > > -- Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE > USE OF > IODORAL > > I agree. What I do not like is the fact that we are handed > prescriptions for > everything, without very much real checking done, and without natural > means > being tried. This is how the doctors are taught in med school, and this is > what they do in practice. The holistic doctors use both medical and > natural > means to help their patients. > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 exactly! Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE > USE OF > IODORAL > > I agree. What I do not like is the fact that we are handed > prescriptions for > everything, without very much real checking done, and without natural > means > being tried. This is how the doctors are taught in med school, and this is > what they do in practice. The holistic doctors use both medical and > natural > means to help their patients. > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 I read " Hormone Solutions " by Thierry Hertoghe MD. But it was a different book than the one you read... > > Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL > <hypothyroidism/message/32558;_ylc=X3oDMTJxaHEyNDJ\ kBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI1NTgEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTAxNTk5Mw--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CHRONIC%20IODINE%20DEFICIENCIES%20AND%2\ 0THE%20USE%20OF%20IODORAL> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:41 pm (PST) > > > I don't think this is true at all. > Armour, cortef, Iodoral, bioidentical hormones work great for lots of > ppl. Read Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD. > no genetic testing required!! > Gracia > > Exactly! That is all that I was trying to get across. Different people > react differently. > All should be accepted and respected. > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 No; but from time to time articles mention how many thousands of deaths are caused by mistakes doctors and hospitals make every year... > > Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL > <hypothyroidism/message/32564;_ylc=X3oDMTJxNWtiMWN\ iBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzI1NjQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NTAxNTk5Mw--> > > > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CHRONIC%20IODINE%20DEFICIENCIES%\ 20AND%20THE%20USE%20OF%20IODORAL> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:46 pm (PST) > > > Did it also mention the bad things the rx's have caused? > > -- Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF > IODORAL > > Well, for example today's Tampa Tribune has a story about supplements > causing ever more people to wind up in the emergency room. One thing > they mentioned is the supplements that are supposed to act the same as > Viagra and similar erectile dysfunction treatments. I don't remember > any of the names. > > > > > > > Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE USE OF IODORAL > > <hypothyroidism/message/32497 > <hypothyroidism/message/32497> > _ylc=X3oDMTJxbG9scnRlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw > DIEbXNnSWQDMzI0OTcEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5NDk5MDE0MQ--> > > > > > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > > <mailto:circe@gwi > net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CHRONIC%20IODINE%20DEFICIENCIES%20AND%20THE%20USE%20OF > 20IODORAL> > > graciabee <graciabee > <graciabee>> > > > > > > Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:24 am (PST) > > > > > > what are the " crazy dangerous supplements " > > ? > > Gracia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote: exactly! Re: Re: CHRONIC IODINE DEFICIENCIES AND THE > USE OF > IODORAL > > I agree. What I do not like is the fact that we are handed > prescriptions for > everything, without very much real checking done, and without natural > means > being tried. This is how the doctors are taught in med school, and this is > what they do in practice. The holistic doctors use both medical and > natural > means to help their patients. > > Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 I'm embarrassed for you. Gracia >I noted the self promotion of the quoted article as well; but I figured > anyone who cannot up front figure out the credibility of the source > isn't likely to recognize a valid rebuttal. But thanks for your efforts > to keep us all straight... > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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