CLEANSING: WAS: new to group

[Guest guest]

Before you spend a lot of time and money on " cleansing " you might check

it out. For example, here's what Quackwatch says about it:

Quote from Wikipedia:

/Quackwatch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch>/ describes body

cleansing and detoxification as an elaborate hoax

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax> used by con artists

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist> to cure nonexistent illnesses.

The 'toxins' that are removed have been described as invented to give

promoters something pretend they can fix.^[1]

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0> Medical experts

state that the body cleansing is unnecessary since the body is actually

very good at maintaining itself, with several organs dedicated to

cleansing the blood <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood> and gut

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract>.^[2]

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1>

^End of quote.

^If you check it out on Google you'll find a lot of similar references.

^

> Re: new to group

>

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> Posted by: " and Irwin " familyirwin@...

> <mailto:familyirwin@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20new%20to%20group>

> fritzalseth <fritzalseth>

>

>

> Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:57 pm (PST)

>

> Hi,

> What happened with the natural? Did you not do well on it? What id

> your diet like? Are you vegetarian or anything? How about water, do

> you drink a lot of it? Also, have you considered juicing like first

> thing in the morning on an empty stomach and not eating 30 minutes

> after. Have you considered doing a cleanse, like colon or liver?

>

> www.ariseandshine.

> com

> www.modernmanna.org

>

> Blessings,

>

[Guest guest]

I'm very sad that people would be warned off cleansing like this.

You could find just as many success stories from patients and

practitioners with inexpensive, healthy, effective cleanses. Filling

one's head with all the negative is just so pointless. Please think

for yourself, look for yourself, WIKIPEDIA is NOT GOD.

Esmeralda

And because this may go into an argument, I really just wanted to

express my opinion and don't really want to go into a post match.

>

> Before you spend a lot of time and money on " cleansing " you might

check

> it out. For example, here's what Quackwatch says about it:

>

> Quote from Wikipedia:

>

> /Quackwatch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch>/ describes

body

> cleansing and detoxification as an elaborate hoax

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax> used by con artists

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist> to cure nonexistent

illnesses.

> The 'toxins' that are removed have been described as invented to

give

> promoters something pretend they can fix.^[1]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0> Medical

experts

> state that the body cleansing is unnecessary since the body is

actually

> very good at maintaining itself, with several organs dedicated to

> cleansing the blood <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood> and gut

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract>.^[2]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1>

>

> ^End of quote.

>

> ^If you check it out on Google you'll find a lot of similar

references.

>

> ^

>

>

>

> > Re: new to group

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " and Irwin " familyirwin@...

> > <mailto:familyirwin@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20new%20to%20group>

> > fritzalseth <fritzalseth>

> >

> >

> > Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:57 pm (PST)

> >

> > Hi,

> > What happened with the natural? Did you not do well on it? What

id

> > your diet like? Are you vegetarian or anything? How about water,

do

> > you drink a lot of it? Also, have you considered juicing like

first

> > thing in the morning on an empty stomach and not eating 30

minutes

> > after. Have you considered doing a cleanse, like colon or liver?

> >

> > www.ariseandshine.

> > com

> > www.modernmanna.org

> >

> > Blessings,

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Esmerelda, I wouldn't worry about anybody getting into an ARGUMENT with you.

The last one of those happened because the poster denigrated this country and

this list, but was perfectly happy to benefit from both. You, on the other

hand have

done no such thing, and I for one have no quarrel with you at all.

I have never done a cleanse, and I'm very undecided about the subject. I have

not

made up my mind for or against it.

Roni

meralearning <normanarauz@...> wrote:

I'm very sad that people would be warned off cleansing like this.

You could find just as many success stories from patients and

practitioners with inexpensive, healthy, effective cleanses. Filling

one's head with all the negative is just so pointless. Please think

for yourself, look for yourself, WIKIPEDIA is NOT GOD.

Esmeralda

And because this may go into an argument, I really just wanted to

express my opinion and don't really want to go into a post match.

>

> Before you spend a lot of time and money on " cleansing " you might

check

> it out. For example, here's what Quackwatch says about it:

>

> Quote from Wikipedia:

>

> /Quackwatch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch>/ describes

body

> cleansing and detoxification as an elaborate hoax

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax> used by con artists

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist> to cure nonexistent

illnesses.

> The 'toxins' that are removed have been described as invented to

give

> promoters something pretend they can fix.^[1]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0> Medical

experts

> state that the body cleansing is unnecessary since the body is

actually

> very good at maintaining itself, with several organs dedicated to

> cleansing the blood <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood> and gut

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract>.^[2]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1>

>

> ^End of quote.

>

> ^If you check it out on Google you'll find a lot of similar

references.

>

> ^

>

>

>

> > Re: new to group

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " and Irwin " familyirwin@...

> > <mailto:familyirwin@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20new%20to%20group>

> > fritzalseth <fritzalseth>

> >

> >

> > Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:57 pm (PST)

> >

> > Hi,

> > What happened with the natural? Did you not do well on it? What

id

> > your diet like? Are you vegetarian or anything? How about water,

do

> > you drink a lot of it? Also, have you considered juicing like

first

> > thing in the morning on an empty stomach and not eating 30

minutes

> > after. Have you considered doing a cleanse, like colon or liver?

> >

> > www.ariseandshine.

> > com

> > www.modernmanna.org

> >

> > Blessings,

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Given that the group's description below includes alternative medicine

& cleansing and other things someone like you might find offensive, I

really wonder, , just why are you here? I really mean this as a

sincere & serious question. We are all here because something in the

list below appealed to us. It is obvious to us you don't believe in

these things. That is your right. But why would you want to be part

of a group that has beliefs that are totally opposite of yours?

You may very well be a nice man in real life, but the picture you

portray does not really fit that description by your constant mocking

of the topics we are discussing in relation to hypothyroidism.

Given we are on topic by mere means of the description of this group,

I would ask that you take a look at why you are really here &

reevaluate your participation.

I am not looking for a big discussion or a debate. I don't care to

participate in such a discussion. I am just wondering if another more

mainstream & conservative group might be more your style.

In the meantime, I'd like to to ask you to please consider the basis

on which this group was founded and please show respect to that basis

and to the other members of this group.

Respectfully & sincerely,

Description

Hypothyroidism Support and discussion group - Alternative medicine,

diet, cleansing, dental cleanup... Hypothyroidism = Too Little

Hormone. - Malfunction of the Thyroid Gland An open forum for

discussion on natural ways of curing Hypothyroidism and preventing

reocurance. - We are discussing about: Iodine, Iodoral, Lugo's Iodine,

Armour, Kalim Iodide, Potassium Iodide, KI, Mercury, Hg, Amalgam,

Diet, Cleansing bowels(old stuff, mucus, parasites, toxins, heavy

metals pesticides,..), Dental cleanse (amalgam, nickel, root fillings,

cavitations, bacteria), kidney cleanse(kidney stones), liver and

Gallbladder cleanse (gallstones),massage, Herbal formulas, Parasite

killing herbs, enema, salty water, Zapper, Bob Beck's Silver Pulser,

Magnet pulser, magnets, Supplements ( Flaxseed oil Selenium Coenzyme

Q10 Shark Cartilage Essiac Laetrile Cancel Noni Colloidal minerals

chelation therapy chelated minerals Vitamins B17 Enzymes seaweed kelp

kombu shiitake miso), Diet (Macrobiotic, Max B. Gerson, Dr.Budwig

Diet, Blood Type Diet, ...), Foods to avoid ( sugar aspartame meat)...

--We have been learning from---Dr.Bernard Jensen-Michio Kushi-Dr.Max

B. Gerson-Dr. Schulze-Dr.Hulda -Dr.F.X.Mayr-Dr.

Wallach-Dr.Johanna Budwig-Dr.Udo Erasmus--Dr. Bob Beck-Royal

Rife- Pitchford-and many others ...These are only some ideas for

discussion--General subject is Health !

> Before you spend a lot of time and money on " cleansing "

you might check

> it out. For example, here's what Quackwatch says about it:

>

> Quote from Wikipedia:

>

> /Quackwatch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch>/ describes body

> cleansing and detoxification as an elaborate hoax

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax> used by con artists

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist> to cure nonexistent

illnesses.

> The 'toxins' that are removed have been described as invented to give

> promoters something pretend they can fix.^[1]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0> Medical experts

> state that the body cleansing is unnecessary since the body is actually

> very good at maintaining itself, with several organs dedicated to

> cleansing the blood <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood> and gut

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract>.^[2]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1>

>

> ^End of quote.

>

> ^If you check it out on Google you'll find a lot of similar references.

>

> ^

>

> > Re: new to group

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " and Irwin " familyirwin@...

> > <mailto:familyirwin@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20new%20to%20group>

> > fritzalseth <fritzalseth>

> >

> >

> > Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:57 pm (PST)

> >

> > Hi,

> > What happened with the natural? Did you not do well on it? What id

> > your diet like? Are you vegetarian or anything? How about water, do

> > you drink a lot of it? Also, have you considered juicing like first

> > thing in the morning on an empty stomach and not eating 30 minutes

> > after. Have you considered doing a cleanse, like colon or liver?

> >

> > www.ariseandshine.

> > com

> > www.modernmanna.org

> >

> > Blessings,

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have no root objections to the idea of cleansing, but I do feel that many

people just jump

on the bandwagon without first finding out if they NEED the cleansing. If you

have parasites,

or any of the other problems listed below, then fine. But if you do not, what

is the point?

Roni

Ohmer Pellegrin <flymail2222@...> wrote:

Given that the group's description below includes alternative medicine

& cleansing and other things someone like you might find offensive, I

really wonder, , just why are you here? I really mean this as a

sincere & serious question. We are all here because something in the

list below appealed to us. It is obvious to us you don't believe in

these things. That is your right. But why would you want to be part

of a group that has beliefs that are totally opposite of yours?

You may very well be a nice man in real life, but the picture you

portray does not really fit that description by your constant mocking

of the topics we are discussing in relation to hypothyroidism.

Given we are on topic by mere means of the description of this group,

I would ask that you take a look at why you are really here &

reevaluate your participation.

I am not looking for a big discussion or a debate. I don't care to

participate in such a discussion. I am just wondering if another more

mainstream & conservative group might be more your style.

In the meantime, I'd like to to ask you to please consider the basis

on which this group was founded and please show respect to that basis

and to the other members of this group.

Respectfully & sincerely,

Description

Hypothyroidism Support and discussion group - Alternative medicine,

diet, cleansing, dental cleanup... Hypothyroidism = Too Little

Hormone. - Malfunction of the Thyroid Gland An open forum for

discussion on natural ways of curing Hypothyroidism and preventing

reocurance. - We are discussing about: Iodine, Iodoral, Lugo's Iodine,

Armour, Kalim Iodide, Potassium Iodide, KI, Mercury, Hg, Amalgam,

Diet, Cleansing bowels(old stuff, mucus, parasites, toxins, heavy

metals pesticides,..), Dental cleanse (amalgam, nickel, root fillings,

cavitations, bacteria), kidney cleanse(kidney stones), liver and

Gallbladder cleanse (gallstones),massage, Herbal formulas, Parasite

killing herbs, enema, salty water, Zapper, Bob Beck's Silver Pulser,

Magnet pulser, magnets, Supplements ( Flaxseed oil Selenium Coenzyme

Q10 Shark Cartilage Essiac Laetrile Cancel Noni Colloidal minerals

chelation therapy chelated minerals Vitamins B17 Enzymes seaweed kelp

kombu shiitake miso), Diet (Macrobiotic, Max B. Gerson, Dr.Budwig

Diet, Blood Type Diet, ...), Foods to avoid ( sugar aspartame meat)...

--We have been learning from---Dr.Bernard Jensen-Michio Kushi-Dr.Max

B. Gerson-Dr. Schulze-Dr.Hulda -Dr.F.X.Mayr-Dr.

Wallach-Dr.Johanna Budwig-Dr.Udo Erasmus--Dr. Bob Beck-Royal

Rife- Pitchford-and many others ...These are only some ideas for

discussion--General subject is Health !

> Before you spend a lot of time and money on " cleansing "

you might check

> it out. For example, here's what Quackwatch says about it:

>

> Quote from Wikipedia:

>

> /Quackwatch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch>/ describes body

> cleansing and detoxification as an elaborate hoax

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax> used by con artists

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist> to cure nonexistent

illnesses.

> The 'toxins' that are removed have been described as invented to give

> promoters something pretend they can fix.^[1]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0> Medical experts

> state that the body cleansing is unnecessary since the body is actually

> very good at maintaining itself, with several organs dedicated to

> cleansing the blood <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood> and gut

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract>.^[2]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1>

>

> ^End of quote.

>

> ^If you check it out on Google you'll find a lot of similar references.

>

> ^

>

> > Re: new to group

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " and Irwin " familyirwin@...

> > <mailto:familyirwin@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20new%20to%20group>

> > fritzalseth <fritzalseth>

> >

> >

> > Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:57 pm (PST)

> >

> > Hi,

> > What happened with the natural? Did you not do well on it? What id

> > your diet like? Are you vegetarian or anything? How about water, do

> > you drink a lot of it? Also, have you considered juicing like first

> > thing in the morning on an empty stomach and not eating 30 minutes

> > after. Have you considered doing a cleanse, like colon or liver?

> >

> > www.ariseandshine.

> > com

> > www.modernmanna.org

> >

> > Blessings,

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wikipedia is not God, and is not even a top encyclopedia. However,

they seem to manage to get a lot of facts straight. As I said, if you

don't like Wikipedia there are a great quantity of similar posts

available through Google

You presented a pro-cleansing viewpoint; I presented an anti-cleansing

viewpoint. If I were considering a course of action that a great deal

of highly intelligent and educated people say is a total pot of quack

crap I'd like to know about that viewpoint and try to understand it;

even if eventually I did not agree with it. For example, I have found

it interesting to read some of the material that states that there is no

connection between HIV and aids.

I'm afraid published " success stories " basically boil down to

testimonials. Every quack out there has a ton of them; especially if

they have no credible evidence to submit. For that reason they are

highly suspect even if valid.

>

> Re: CLEANSING: WAS: new to group

>

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>

>

> Posted by: " meralearning " normanarauz@...

>

<mailto:normanarauz@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CLEANSING%3A%20WAS%3A%20new%20t\

o%20group>

> meralearning <meralearning>

>

>

> Sun Feb 3, 2008 11:25 am (PST)

>

> I'm very sad that people would be warned off cleansing like this.

> You could find just as many success stories from patients and

> practitioners with inexpensive, healthy, effective cleanses. Filling

> one's head with all the negative is just so pointless. Please think

> for yourself, look for yourself, WIKIPEDIA is NOT GOD.

>

> Esmeralda

>

> And because this may go into an argument, I really just wanted to

> express my opinion and don't really want to go into a post match.

>

>

> >

> > Before you spend a lot of time and money on " cleansing " you might

> check

> > it out. For example, here's what Quackwatch says about it:

> >

> > Quote from Wikipedia:

> >

> > /Quackwatch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch>>/ describes

> body

> > cleansing and detoxification as an elaborate hoax

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax>> used by con artists

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist>> to cure nonexistent

> illnesses.

> > The 'toxins' that are removed have been described as invented to

> give

> > promoters something pretend they can fix.^[1]

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0>> Medical

> experts

> > state that the body cleansing is unnecessary since the body is

> actually

> > very good at maintaining itself, with several organs dedicated to

> > cleansing the blood <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood>> and gut

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract>>.^[2]

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1>>

> >

> > ^End of quote.

> >

> > ^If you check it out on Google you'll find a lot of similar

> references.

> >

> > ^

[Guest guest]

1] No, I never tried a " cleansing " ; however, I've read quite a bit of

the promotional literature. To me it just literally screams " quack " .

2] Since the " flukes " of which was " cleansing " Americans don't

exist in North America I wonder how far she had to go to find them.

3] As for " .... Don't knock it til you try it... " that's such pathetic

example of logic that it should require no response. But if you don't

understand why I'll provide it.

>

> Re: CLEANSING: WAS: new to group

>

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>

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

<mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CLEANSING%3A%20WAS%3A%20new%20to\

%20group>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Sun Feb 3, 2008 11:26 am (PST)

>

> , have you ever done a cleanse? Real people pass real parasites when

> they do cleanses. Dr. Oz even brought along some parasites to the Oprah

> show to show just what could be living in the human gut. The fact of the

> matter is, we take in toxins everyday and they do build up. Don't knock it

> til you try it.

> CW

>

> -- CLEANSING: WAS: new to group

>

> Before you spend a lot of time and money on " cleansing " you might check

> it out. For example, here's what Quackwatch says about it:

>

> Quote from Wikipedia:

>

> /Quackwatch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch>>/ describes body

> cleansing and detoxification as an elaborate hoax

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax>> used by con artists

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist>> to cure nonexistent illnesses.

> The 'toxins' that are removed have been described as invented to give

> promoters something pretend they can fix.^[1]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0>> Medical experts

> state that the body cleansing is unnecessary since the body is actually

> very good at maintaining itself, with several organs dedicated to

> cleansing the blood <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood>> and gut

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract>>.^[2]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1>>

>

> ^End of quote.

>

> ^If you check it out on Google you'll find a lot of similar references.

>

> ^

[Guest guest]

I well know who Barrett is. I've read quite a bit of literature

favorable to him and quite a bit unfavorable to him. In my personal

evaluation of the two groups there's utterly no comparison of the

intelligence, education, and honesty of the two. Even if you hate him

and everything he stands for you should condemn the obvious and pathetic

lies and spin with which he has been attacked. That to me is a huge

incentive to believe that his opponents have no valid negative facts;

because if they did they would present them instead of the easily

disproved slander.

For example, if you look at the negative propaganda on the net one of

the things you will find is a very prominent reference to

Barrett as a " delicensed physician " . The implication is that he lost

his license due to some nefarious activity. In actuality he retired in

1993, and as is common did not renew his physician's license subsequent

to that date. The fact that he is not licensed is made to look as

though he were some kind of disbarred criminal doctor; when the facts

are quite different.

So basically if you have no valid facts to support your position then

you resort to BS [if your character level is that of Barrett's detractors].

I've used alternative methods myself, with great results. But there

were no controls, so any data from same has exceedingly low credibility.

>

> Re: CLEANSING: WAS: new to group

>

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>

>

> Posted by: " and Irwin " familyirwin@...

>

<mailto:familyirwin@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CLEANSING%3A%20WAS%3A%20new\

%20to%20group>

> fritzalseth <fritzalseth>

>

>

> Sun Feb 3, 2008 11:26 am (PST)

>

> Come on ,

> Do we really have to go over this same argument? You know who

> Barret is, right? Quackwatch often times is the " WHO'S WHO " of

> alternative medicine. Cleansing is very powerful, but then again, I am

> talking to someone who doesn't believe in much of anything alternative.

>

> Blessings,

>

>

> <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> Before you spend a lot of time and money on " cleansing " you might check

> it out. For example, here's what Quackwatch says about it:

>

> Quote from Wikipedia:

>

> /Quackwatch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch>>/ describes body

> cleansing and detoxification as an elaborate hoax

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax>> used by con artists

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist>> to cure nonexistent illnesses.

> The 'toxins' that are removed have been described as invented to give

> promoters something pretend they can fix.^[1]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0>> Medical experts

> state that the body cleansing is unnecessary since the body is actually

> very good at maintaining itself, with several organs dedicated to

> cleansing the blood <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood>> and gut

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract>>.^[2]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1>>

>

> ^End of quote.

>

> ^If you check it out on Google you'll find a lot of similar references.

>

> ^

[Guest guest]

I went to the site, basically to see if a major part of the spiel

consisted of testimonials. Bingo!

>

> Re: CLEANSING: WAS: new to group

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

<mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CLEANSING%3A%20WAS%3A%20new%20to\

%20group>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Sun Feb 3, 2008 11:26 am (PST)

>

> Forgot to put a link of pics http://www.drnatura.com/

> <http://www.drnatura.com/>

>

> -- CLEANSING: WAS: new to group

>

> Before you spend a lot of time and money on " cleansing " you might check

> it out. For example, here's what Quackwatch says about it:

>

> Quote from Wikipedia:

>

> /Quackwatch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch>>/ describes body

> cleansing and detoxification as an elaborate hoax

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax>> used by con artists

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist>> to cure nonexistent illnesses.

> The 'toxins' that are removed have been described as invented to give

> promoters something pretend they can fix.^[1]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0>> Medical experts

> state that the body cleansing is unnecessary since the body is actually

> very good at maintaining itself, with several organs dedicated to

> cleansing the blood <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood>> and gut

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract>>.^[2]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1>>

>

> ^End of quote.

>

> ^If you check it out on Google you'll find a lot of similar references.

>

> ^

[Guest guest]

this is a good point.

For example, if you look at the negative propaganda on the net one of

the things you will find is a very prominent reference to

Barrett as a " delicensed physician " . The implication is that he lost

his license due to some nefarious activity. In actuality he retired in

1993, and as is common did not renew his physician's license subsequent

to that date. The fact that he is not licensed is made to look as

though he were some kind of disbarred criminal doctor; when the facts

are quite different.

?????

I think in a few years we shall see " alternative methods " become the standard.

Allopathic medicine has exceedingly low credibility. On the net we can sort

out the crap from the useful stuff.

Gracia

I've used alternative methods myself, with great results. But there

were no controls, so any data from same has exceedingly low credibility.

>

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Can any of you who are interested in alternative ways

to deal with hypothyroidism recommend another group

that focuses on such? I was only recently diagnosed

and joined this group to learn more about holistic and

natural methods, but that doesn't seem to be the focus

here, despite the description, and honestly, the posts

over the past few months have been rather unpleasant

and petty. Perhaps creating another group that does

focus on alternative solutions, in a helpful instead

of confrontational way, might be in order, if such a

group does not already exist.

Thanks!

--- Ohmer Pellegrin <flymail2222@...>

wrote:

> Given that the group's description below includes

> alternative medicine

> & cleansing and other things someone like you might

> find offensive, I

> really wonder, , just why are you here? I

> really mean this as a

> sincere & serious question. We are all here because

> something in the

> list below appealed to us. It is obvious to us you

> don't believe in

> these things. That is your right. But why would

> you want to be part

> of a group that has beliefs that are totally

> opposite of yours?

>

> You may very well be a nice man in real life, but

> the picture you

> portray does not really fit that description by your

> constant mocking

> of the topics we are discussing in relation to

> hypothyroidism.

> Given we are on topic by mere means of the

> description of this group,

> I would ask that you take a look at why you are

> really here &

> reevaluate your participation.

>

> I am not looking for a big discussion or a debate.

> I don't care to

> participate in such a discussion. I am just

> wondering if another more

> mainstream & conservative group might be more your

> style.

>

> In the meantime, I'd like to to ask you to please

> consider the basis

> on which this group was founded and please show

> respect to that basis

> and to the other members of this group.

>

>

> Respectfully & sincerely,

>

>

>

> Description

> Hypothyroidism Support and discussion group -

> Alternative medicine,

> diet, cleansing, dental cleanup... Hypothyroidism =

> Too Little

> Hormone. - Malfunction of the Thyroid Gland An open

> forum for

> discussion on natural ways of curing Hypothyroidism

> and preventing

> reocurance. - We are discussing about: Iodine,

> Iodoral, Lugo's Iodine,

> Armour, Kalim Iodide, Potassium Iodide, KI, Mercury,

> Hg, Amalgam,

> Diet, Cleansing bowels(old stuff, mucus, parasites,

> toxins, heavy

> metals pesticides,..), Dental cleanse (amalgam,

> nickel, root fillings,

> cavitations, bacteria), kidney cleanse(kidney

> stones), liver and

> Gallbladder cleanse (gallstones),massage, Herbal

> formulas, Parasite

> killing herbs, enema, salty water, Zapper, Bob

> Beck's Silver Pulser,

> Magnet pulser, magnets, Supplements ( Flaxseed oil

> Selenium Coenzyme

> Q10 Shark Cartilage Essiac Laetrile Cancel Noni

> Colloidal minerals

> chelation therapy chelated minerals Vitamins B17

> Enzymes seaweed kelp

> kombu shiitake miso), Diet (Macrobiotic, Max B.

> Gerson, Dr.Budwig

> Diet, Blood Type Diet, ...), Foods to avoid ( sugar

> aspartame meat)...

> --We have been learning from---Dr.Bernard

> Jensen-Michio Kushi-Dr.Max

> B. Gerson-Dr. Schulze-Dr.Hulda

> -Dr.F.X.Mayr-Dr.

> Wallach-Dr.Johanna Budwig-Dr.Udo Erasmus--Dr.

> Bob Beck-Royal

> Rife- Pitchford-and many others ...These are

> only some ideas for

> discussion--General subject is Health !

>

>

>

> > Before you spend a lot of time and money

> on " cleansing "

> you might check

> > it out. For example, here's what Quackwatch says

> about it:

> >

> > Quote from Wikipedia:

> >

> > /Quackwatch

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch>/ describes

> body

> > cleansing and detoxification as an elaborate hoax

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax> used by con

> artists

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist> to cure

> nonexistent

> illnesses.

> > The 'toxins' that are removed have been described

> as invented to give

> > promoters something pretend they can fix.^[1]

> >

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0>

> Medical experts

> > state that the body cleansing is unnecessary since

> the body is actually

> > very good at maintaining itself, with several

> organs dedicated to

> > cleansing the blood

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood> and gut

> >

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract>.^[2]

>

> >

>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1>

> >

> > ^End of quote.

> >

> > ^If you check it out on Google you'll find a lot

> of similar references.

> >

> > ^

> >

> > > Re: new to group

> > >

>

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Posted by: " and Irwin "

> familyirwin@...

> > >

>

<mailto:familyirwin@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20new%20to%20group>

> > > fritzalseth

> <fritzalseth>

> > >

> > >

> > > Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:57 pm (PST)

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > What happened with the natural? Did you not do

> well on it? What id

> > > your diet like? Are you vegetarian or anything?

> How about water, do

> > > you drink a lot of it? Also, have you considered

> juicing like first

> > > thing in the morning on an empty stomach and not

> eating 30 minutes

> > > after. Have you considered doing a cleanse, like

> colon or liver?

> > >

> > > www.ariseandshine.

> > > com

> > > www.modernmanna.org

> > >

> > > Blessings,

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

***thank you Roni!!!

My husband and I are actually doing our second major cleanse (as far

as duration). We are having a lot of fun!! It's a candida cleanse.

His MD recommended it and I just decided to do it with him cuz it

looked easy and fun and I grew up with excess antibiotics and had

symptoms from the survey HE filled out. We didn't get tests or

anything

He's obese and has lost about 23 pounds, lost his horrendous cravings

and what he thought were hypoglycemic symptoms. I've lost only

about 8 pounds, feel great and have only had cravings 3-4 times this

WHOLE MONTH!!!

Anyway, as you see, I'm excited about this and when we are done, I'm

going to go on a weight loss diet and after that do some more

cleansing.

I'm happy and feel in control of my health.

Esmeralda

>

> Esmerelda, I wouldn't worry about anybody getting into an ARGUMENT

with you.

> The last one of those happened because the poster denigrated this

country and

> this list, but was perfectly happy to benefit from both. You, on

the other hand have

> done no such thing, and I for one have no quarrel with you at all.

>

> I have never done a cleanse, and I'm very undecided about the

subject. I have not

> made up my mind for or against it.

>

> Roni

>

[Guest guest]

So you waltz in out of left field and oh so politely suggest I get lost

[among other things] and then don't want any discussion of the points

you make???

Well; okay.

But please allow me to point out that my position here for a lot of

people IS the alternative one.

>

> Re: CLEANSING: WAS: new to group

>

<hypothyroidism/message/36364;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYWdkMjJ\

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Ohmer Pellegrin " flymail2222@...

>

<mailto:flymail2222@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CLEANSING%3A%20WAS%3A%20new%20t\

o%20group>

> flymail2222 <flymail2222>

>

>

> Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:04 am (PST)

>

> Given that the group's description below includes alternative medicine

> & cleansing and other things someone like you might find offensive, I

> really wonder, , just why are you here?

[Guest guest]

,

If you don't already know about it, there is the

naturalthyroidhormones . It is a very active group and

you will get MANY e-mails in a day. I suggest you sign up for the

digest so you will get 25 or so e-mails at a time. Sorry to hear you

may be leaving...I hope not for good. Anyway, you will get a load of

info from that group. Good luck to you.

Venizia

- In hypothyroidism , Silver <susanjsilver@...>

wrote:

>

>

> Can any of you who are interested in alternative ways

> to deal with hypothyroidism recommend another group

> that focuses on such? I was only recently diagnosed

> and joined this group to learn more about holistic and

> natural methods, but that doesn't seem to be the focus

> here, despite the description, and honestly, the posts

> over the past few months have been rather unpleasant

> and petty. Perhaps creating another group that does

> focus on alternative solutions, in a helpful instead

> of confrontational way, might be in order, if such a

> group does not already exist.

>

> Thanks!

>

> --- Ohmer Pellegrin <flymail2222@...>

> wrote:

>

> > Given that the group's description below includes

> > alternative medicine

> > & cleansing and other things someone like you might

> > find offensive, I

> > really wonder, , just why are you here? I

> > really mean this as a

> > sincere & serious question. We are all here because

> > something in the

> > list below appealed to us. It is obvious to us you

> > don't believe in

> > these things. That is your right. But why would

> > you want to be part

> > of a group that has beliefs that are totally

> > opposite of yours?

> >

> > You may very well be a nice man in real life, but

> > the picture you

> > portray does not really fit that description by your

> > constant mocking

> > of the topics we are discussing in relation to

> > hypothyroidism.

> > Given we are on topic by mere means of the

> > description of this group,

> > I would ask that you take a look at why you are

> > really here &

> > reevaluate your participation.

> >

> > I am not looking for a big discussion or a debate.

> > I don't care to

> > participate in such a discussion. I am just

> > wondering if another more

> > mainstream & conservative group might be more your

> > style.

> >

> > In the meantime, I'd like to to ask you to please

> > consider the basis

> > on which this group was founded and please show

> > respect to that basis

> > and to the other members of this group.

> >

> >

> > Respectfully & sincerely,

> >

> >

> >

> > Description

> > Hypothyroidism Support and discussion group -

> > Alternative medicine,

> > diet, cleansing, dental cleanup... Hypothyroidism =

> > Too Little

> > Hormone. - Malfunction of the Thyroid Gland An open

> > forum for

> > discussion on natural ways of curing Hypothyroidism

> > and preventing

> > reocurance. - We are discussing about: Iodine,

> > Iodoral, Lugo's Iodine,

> > Armour, Kalim Iodide, Potassium Iodide, KI, Mercury,

> > Hg, Amalgam,

> > Diet, Cleansing bowels(old stuff, mucus, parasites,

> > toxins, heavy

> > metals pesticides,..), Dental cleanse (amalgam,

> > nickel, root fillings,

> > cavitations, bacteria), kidney cleanse(kidney

> > stones), liver and

> > Gallbladder cleanse (gallstones),massage, Herbal

> > formulas, Parasite

> > killing herbs, enema, salty water, Zapper, Bob

> > Beck's Silver Pulser,

> > Magnet pulser, magnets, Supplements ( Flaxseed oil

> > Selenium Coenzyme

> > Q10 Shark Cartilage Essiac Laetrile Cancel Noni

> > Colloidal minerals

> > chelation therapy chelated minerals Vitamins B17

> > Enzymes seaweed kelp

> > kombu shiitake miso), Diet (Macrobiotic, Max B.

> > Gerson, Dr.Budwig

> > Diet, Blood Type Diet, ...), Foods to avoid ( sugar

> > aspartame meat)...

> > --We have been learning from---Dr.Bernard

> > Jensen-Michio Kushi-Dr.Max

> > B. Gerson-Dr. Schulze-Dr.Hulda

> > -Dr.F.X.Mayr-Dr.

> > Wallach-Dr.Johanna Budwig-Dr.Udo Erasmus--Dr.

> > Bob Beck-Royal

> > Rife- Pitchford-and many others ...These are

> > only some ideas for

> > discussion--General subject is Health !

> >

> >

> >

> > > Before you spend a lot of time and money

> > on " cleansing "

> > you might check

> > > it out. For example, here's what Quackwatch says

> > about it:

> > >

> > > Quote from Wikipedia:

> > >

> > > /Quackwatch

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch>/ describes

> > body

> > > cleansing and detoxification as an elaborate hoax

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax> used by con

> > artists

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist> to cure

> > nonexistent

> > illnesses.

> > > The 'toxins' that are removed have been described

> > as invented to give

> > > promoters something pretend they can fix.^[1]

> > >

> >

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-0>

> > Medical experts

> > > state that the body cleansing is unnecessary since

> > the body is actually

> > > very good at maintaining itself, with several

> > organs dedicated to

> > > cleansing the blood

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood> and gut

> > >

> >

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract>.^[2]

> >

> > >

> >

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_cleansing#_note-1>

> > >

> > > ^End of quote.

> > >

> > > ^If you check it out on Google you'll find a lot

> > of similar references.

> > >

> > > ^

> > >

> > > > Re: new to group

> > > >

> >

>

<hypothyroidism/message/36284;_ylc=X3oDMTJxNW1nNzV\

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jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTc3NTY2MA-->

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Posted by: " and Irwin "

> > familyirwin@

> > > >

> >

> <mailto:familyirwin@?Subject=%20Re%3A%20new%20to%20group>

> > > > fritzalseth

> > <fritzalseth>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:57 pm (PST)

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > > What happened with the natural? Did you not do

> > well on it? What id

> > > > your diet like? Are you vegetarian or anything?

> > How about water, do

> > > > you drink a lot of it? Also, have you considered

> > juicing like first

> > > > thing in the morning on an empty stomach and not

> > eating 30 minutes

> > > > after. Have you considered doing a cleanse, like

> > colon or liver?

> > > >

> > > > www.ariseandshine.

> > > > com

> > > > www.modernmanna.org

> > > >

> > > > Blessings,

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Probably the best group for your interests would be...

prfw/

Neil

>

>

> Can any of you who are interested in alternative ways

> to deal with hypothyroidism recommend another group

> that focuses on such? I was only recently diagnosed

> and joined this group to learn more about holistic and

> natural methods, but that doesn't seem to be the focus

> here, despite the description, and honestly, the posts

> over the past few months have been rather unpleasant

> and petty. Perhaps creating another group that does

> focus on alternative solutions, in a helpful instead

> of confrontational way, might be in order, if such a

> group does not already exist.

>

> Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Neil? http://granitegrok.com/pix/angry_wet_cat.jpg

Sam

> >

> >

> > Can any of you who are interested in alternative ways

> > to deal with hypothyroidism recommend another group

> > that focuses on such?

[Guest guest]

Some of us try on this group to share a more holistic viewpoint. With

hypothyroidism there are certain things that you MUST take, especially if you

want to become PG. IMO it is very important to take iodine/iodide, Armour and

minerals and B vitamins.

you could join iodine group on .

Gracia

Can any of you who are interested in alternative ways

to deal with hypothyroidism recommend another group

that focuses on such? I was only recently diagnosed

and joined this group to learn more about holistic and

natural methods, but that doesn't seem to be the focus

here, despite the description, and honestly, the posts

over the past few months have been rather unpleasant

and petty. Perhaps creating another group that does

focus on alternative solutions, in a helpful instead

of confrontational way, might be in order, if such a

group does not already exist.

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

You can usually do a pretty darn good job of colon cleansing with a

bottle of magnesium citrate followed by an enema. You also fast for one

day. That's one of the procedures used in preparation for a

colonoscopy. Following this procedure my colon has always shown clean,

pink and healthy on the camera as I've watched the procedure. I don't

really mind the colonoscopy but the " cleansing " is massively unpleasant

for me.

While there may be cases where a colon cleansing would be beneficial [i

don't know] there are also con artists out there who can produce all

kinds of parasites which were never in your colon. And colon cleansing

is vastly different from such things as liver cleansing.

In any event all I presented was a counterpoint to the " pro " viewpoint

present by someone else. You're perfectly free to accept or reject the

viewpoint of science and to accept the alternative view of cleansing.

But you need to be aware that there are charlatans in that business.

It's true that allopathic medicine can kill you as well as cure you; but

your odds are no doubt better than with a con artist.

> Re: CLEANSING: WAS: new to group

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20CLEANSING%3A%20WAS%3A%20new%20t\

o%20group>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:17 pm (PST)

>

> I have no root objections to the idea of cleansing, but I do feel that

> many people just jump

> on the bandwagon without first finding out if they NEED the cleansing.

> If you have parasites,

> or any of the other problems listed below, then fine. But if you do

> not, what is the point?

>

> Roni

[Guest guest]

Esmerelda, that's great, I'm happy that it's working for you both. What is the

name of it and

where can these things be bought?

Roni

meralearning <normanarauz@...> wrote:

***thank you Roni!!!

My husband and I are actually doing our second major cleanse (as far

as duration). We are having a lot of fun!! It's a candida cleanse.

His MD recommended it and I just decided to do it with him cuz it

looked easy and fun and I grew up with excess antibiotics and had

symptoms from the survey HE filled out. We didn't get tests or

anything

He's obese and has lost about 23 pounds, lost his horrendous cravings

and what he thought were hypoglycemic symptoms. I've lost only

about 8 pounds, feel great and have only had cravings 3-4 times this

WHOLE MONTH!!!

Anyway, as you see, I'm excited about this and when we are done, I'm

going to go on a weight loss diet and after that do some more

cleansing.

I'm happy and feel in control of my health.

Esmeralda

>

> Esmerelda, I wouldn't worry about anybody getting into an ARGUMENT

with you.

> The last one of those happened because the poster denigrated this

country and

> this list, but was perfectly happy to benefit from both. You, on

the other hand have

> done no such thing, and I for one have no quarrel with you at all.

>

> I have never done a cleanse, and I'm very undecided about the

subject. I have not

> made up my mind for or against it.

>

> Roni

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone who gave me recommendations for

other groups. I'll check them out. And thanks,

Venizia, for your very kind words. Sam, I agree with

you, it has been interesting, but like your post

suggests (even though I realize it was said in jest,

there is some truth to it here), you shouldn't have to

" run for cover " after a post.

It should be a supportive atmosphere, where ideas are

explored, not attacked or dismissed out of hand. To

see people who say that they are healthy, but who are

obviously still miserable at some level, is not very

hopeful or helpful to me as I try to deal my new

diagnosis of hypothyroidism.

I am not the only one who feels this way - I have met

others who have left this group for the same reasons,

but just didn't post about it before they went.

Perhaps I shouldn't have either, it's probably not

worth all the hate that will now be slung at me. But I

have a habit of speaking my mind and not being bullied

into keeping quiet.

--- venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> If you don't already know about it, there is the

> naturalthyroidhormones . It is a

> very active group and

> you will get MANY e-mails in a day. I suggest you

> sign up for the

> digest so you will get 25 or so e-mails at a time.

> Sorry to hear you

> may be leaving...I hope not for good. Anyway, you

> will get a load of

> info from that group. Good luck to you.

>

> Venizia

>

>

>

>

> - In hypothyroidism , Silver

> <susanjsilver@...>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Can any of you who are interested in alternative

> ways

> > to deal with hypothyroidism recommend another

> group

> > that focuses on such? I was only recently

> diagnosed

> > and joined this group to learn more about holistic

> and

> > natural methods, but that doesn't seem to be the

> focus

> > here, despite the description, and honestly, the

> posts

> > over the past few months have been rather

> unpleasant

> > and petty. Perhaps creating another group that

> does

> > focus on alternative solutions, in a helpful

> instead

> > of confrontational way, might be in order, if such

> a

> > group does not already exist.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > --- Ohmer Pellegrin <flymail2222@...>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Given that the group's description below

> includes

> > > alternative medicine

> > > & cleansing and other things someone like you

> might

> > > find offensive, I

> > > really wonder, , just why are you here? I

> > > really mean this as a

> > > sincere & serious question. We are all here

> because

> > > something in the

> > > list below appealed to us. It is obvious to us

> you

> > > don't believe in

> > > these things. That is your right. But why

> would

> > > you want to be part

> > > of a group that has beliefs that are totally

> > > opposite of yours?

> > >

> > > You may very well be a nice man in real life,

> but

> > > the picture you

> > > portray does not really fit that description by

> your

> > > constant mocking

> > > of the topics we are discussing in relation to

> > > hypothyroidism.

> > > Given we are on topic by mere means of the

> > > description of this group,

> > > I would ask that you take a look at why you are

> > > really here &

> > > reevaluate your participation.

> > >

> > > I am not looking for a big discussion or a

> debate.

> > > I don't care to

> > > participate in such a discussion. I am just

> > > wondering if another more

> > > mainstream & conservative group might be more

> your

> > > style.

> > >

> > > In the meantime, I'd like to to ask you to

> please

> > > consider the basis

> > > on which this group was founded and please show

> > > respect to that basis

> > > and to the other members of this group.

> > >

> > >

> > > Respectfully & sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Description

> > > Hypothyroidism Support and discussion group -

> > > Alternative medicine,

> > > diet, cleansing, dental cleanup...

> Hypothyroidism =

> > > Too Little

> > > Hormone. - Malfunction of the Thyroid Gland An

> open

> > > forum for

> > > discussion on natural ways of curing

> Hypothyroidism

> > > and preventing

> > > reocurance. - We are discussing about: Iodine,

> > > Iodoral, Lugo's Iodine,

> > > Armour, Kalim Iodide, Potassium Iodide, KI,

> Mercury,

> > > Hg, Amalgam,

> > > Diet, Cleansing bowels(old stuff, mucus,

> parasites,

> > > toxins, heavy

> > > metals pesticides,..), Dental cleanse (amalgam,

> > > nickel, root fillings,

> > > cavitations, bacteria), kidney cleanse(kidney

> > > stones), liver and

> > > Gallbladder cleanse (gallstones),massage, Herbal

> > > formulas, Parasite

> > > killing herbs, enema, salty water, Zapper, Bob

> > > Beck's Silver Pulser,

> > > Magnet pulser, magnets, Supplements ( Flaxseed

> oil

> > > Selenium Coenzyme

> > > Q10 Shark Cartilage Essiac Laetrile Cancel Noni

> > > Colloidal minerals

> > > chelation therapy chelated minerals Vitamins B17

> > > Enzymes seaweed kelp

> > > kombu shiitake miso), Diet (Macrobiotic, Max B.

> > > Gerson, Dr.Budwig

> > > Diet, Blood Type Diet, ...), Foods to avoid (

> sugar

> > > aspartame meat)...

> > > --We have been learning from---Dr.Bernard

> > > Jensen-Michio Kushi-Dr.Max

> > > B. Gerson-Dr. Schulze-Dr.Hulda

> > > -Dr.F.X.Mayr-Dr.

> > > Wallach-Dr.Johanna Budwig-Dr.Udo

> Erasmus--Dr.

> > > Bob Beck-Royal

> > > Rife- Pitchford-and many others ...These are

> > > only some ideas for

> > > discussion--General subject is Health !

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Before you spend a lot of time and

> money

> > > on " cleansing "

> > > you might check

> > > > it out. For example, here's what Quackwatch

> says

> > > about it:

> > > >

> > > > Quote from Wikipedia:

> > > >

> > > > /Quackwatch

> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch>/

> describes

> > > body

> > > > cleansing and detoxification as an elaborate

> hoax

> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax> used by

> con

> > > artists

> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_artist> to

> cure

> > > nonexistent

>

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[Guest guest]

, I run the thyroidless group and over there we are definitely

dealing with hypothyroidism as well as healing the damage done from

barbaric medical procedures and drugs. Over there we know to replace

all our thyroid hormones via dessicated thyroid dosed by symptoms, to

address our adrenals (both cortisol and aldosterone), add thyroid

nutrients if needed, deal with iodine deficiency, etc, and to do all

that no matter what because that's just the way it is. That's because

our very lives are at stake if we don't. We don't have the time to be

jerked around by nincompoop doctors and people with bad advice. New

people to the group are there either due be being thyroidless for a

long time, freshly thyroidless, are soon to be thyroidless, or are

seeking knowledge, etc. We absolutely know what works and what

doesn't work because most of us have been thru it all, in spades.

So when I came over to this group and was told " you just needed a

higher dose of synthroid " , after I stopped laughing my arse off, I

knew remaining in the group would be an " interesting " and somewhat

entertaining adventure...

That's my 2 cents.

Sam

(thyroidless since 1990)

>

>

> Thanks to everyone who gave me recommendations for

> other groups. I'll check them out. And thanks,

> Venizia, for your very kind words. Sam, I agree with

> you, it has been interesting, but like your post

> suggests (even though I realize it was said in jest,

> there is some truth to it here), you shouldn't have to

> " run for cover " after a post.

>

> It should be a supportive atmosphere, where ideas are

> explored, not attacked or dismissed out of hand. To

> see people who say that they are healthy, but who are

> obviously still miserable at some level, is not very

> hopeful or helpful to me as I try to deal my new

> diagnosis of hypothyroidism.

>

> I am not the only one who feels this way - I have met

> others who have left this group for the same reasons,

> but just didn't post about it before they went.

> Perhaps I shouldn't have either, it's probably not

> worth all the hate that will now be slung at me. But I

> have a habit of speaking my mind and not being bullied

> into keeping quiet.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sam,

I can say that I have always enjoyed your posts

immensely (and learned a lot from them).

--- Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

> , I run the thyroidless group and over there we

> are definitely

> dealing with hypothyroidism as well as healing the

> damage done from

> barbaric medical procedures and drugs. Over there we

> know to replace

> all our thyroid hormones via dessicated thyroid

> dosed by symptoms, to

> address our adrenals (both cortisol and

> aldosterone), add thyroid

> nutrients if needed, deal with iodine deficiency,

> etc, and to do all

> that no matter what because that's just the way it

> is. That's because

> our very lives are at stake if we don't. We don't

> have the time to be

> jerked around by nincompoop doctors and people with

> bad advice. New

> people to the group are there either due be being

> thyroidless for a

> long time, freshly thyroidless, are soon to be

> thyroidless, or are

> seeking knowledge, etc. We absolutely know what

> works and what

> doesn't work because most of us have been thru it

> all, in spades.

>

> So when I came over to this group and was told " you

> just needed a

> higher dose of synthroid " , after I stopped laughing

> my arse off, I

> knew remaining in the group would be an

> " interesting " and somewhat

> entertaining adventure...

>

> That's my 2 cents.

>

> Sam

> (thyroidless since 1990)

>

>

> >

> >

> > Thanks to everyone who gave me recommendations for

> > other groups. I'll check them out. And thanks,

> > Venizia, for your very kind words. Sam, I agree

> with

> > you, it has been interesting, but like your post

> > suggests (even though I realize it was said in

> jest,

> > there is some truth to it here), you shouldn't

> have to

> > " run for cover " after a post.

> >

> > It should be a supportive atmosphere, where ideas

> are

> > explored, not attacked or dismissed out of hand.

> To

> > see people who say that they are healthy, but who

> are

> > obviously still miserable at some level, is not

> very

> > hopeful or helpful to me as I try to deal my new

> > diagnosis of hypothyroidism.

> >

> > I am not the only one who feels this way - I have

> met

> > others who have left this group for the same

> reasons,

> > but just didn't post about it before they went.

> > Perhaps I shouldn't have either, it's probably not

> > worth all the hate that will now be slung at me.

> But I

> > have a habit of speaking my mind and not being

> bullied

> > into keeping quiet.

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

You are very welcome. It makes me sad to think others have left this

group because they feel we are not welcoming, so to speak. Well, if

you learn anything new on your endeavors into the web groups, please

pass them on. Again, good luck to you.

Venizia

>

>

> Thanks to everyone who gave me recommendations for

> other groups. I'll check them out. And thanks,

> Venizia, for your very kind words. Sam, I agree with

> you, it has been interesting, but like your post

> suggests (even though I realize it was said in jest,

> there is some truth to it here), you shouldn't have to

> " run for cover " after a post.

>

> It should be a supportive atmosphere, where ideas are

> explored, not attacked or dismissed out of hand. To

> see people who say that they are healthy, but who are

> obviously still miserable at some level, is not very

> hopeful or helpful to me as I try to deal my new

> diagnosis of hypothyroidism.

>

> I am not the only one who feels this way - I have met

> others who have left this group for the same reasons,

> but just didn't post about it before they went.

> Perhaps I shouldn't have either, it's probably not

> worth all the hate that will now be slung at me. But I

> have a habit of speaking my mind and not being bullied

> into keeping quiet.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sam, I love kitty pictures! (actually love all animals) Neil

> > >

> > >

> > > Can any of you who are interested in alternative ways

> > > to deal with hypothyroidism recommend another group

> > > that focuses on such?

>

[Guest guest]

It was an angry wet free speech kitty...

Sam :-l

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Probably the best group for your interests would be...

> > >

> > > prfw/

> > >

> > > Neil