Re: Tetragrammaton

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You are correct Chuck. We don't care if others use it or say it. However, it

does insult me when someone says that the word should be dog which is

G-d spelled backwards. I'm sure you understand.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> Gracia, you might want to educate yourself as to why some

> people don't write the name of G-d.

There is not technical proscription against spelling this out, but there

is an ancient Jewish tradition against spelling or pronouncing any form

of name for God, just to be sure not to violate the third Commandment

about taking that name in vain. This took the most exaggerated form in

copying the Tanakh where the name JHVH was replaced by Adonai. The

vowels from the latter allowed the proper pronunciation of the former

set of consonants. Adonai was translated into English as " Lord. " So, the

proper name of God in the OT was changed into " Lord " in English versions.

A relatively small fraction of modern Jews extended the practice of

leaving out the vowels to the word " God, " even though this is

technically a capitalization of a generic noun rather than a true proper

name. Again, it is to avoid even the possibility of violating the

Commandment. Out of misguided respect for this small group, some other

PC thinkers also leave out the vowel, although the practice is really

intended only to keep the observant from violating the Commandment. It

does not really matter to them if others, particularly non-observant

Christians, spell it normally.

Happy N-w Y--r, everyone.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> You are correct Chuck. We don't care if others use it or say it. However, it

>

> does insult me when someone says that the word should be dog which is

>

> G-d spelled backwards. I'm sure you understand.

>

Sure, the implication is at least disrespectful for all religions, as is

the mere act of attempting to make a joke out of the subject. That

wasn't me, BTW, although I may have carried with a header.

Curiously, the etymology of this word is unknown. It was in use, at

least as a generic noun, in Old English, Anglo Saxon, and other Teutonic

languages, including Old High German. It has been theorized to be

connected to Sanskrit, hu, " to implore, invoke, or call upon. " In

Persian this became Khoda; in Hindu, Khooda, but there the trail runs

cold. Perhaps the Persian empire spread it into Europe, along with the

connotation of " who is implored, invoked, or called upon. " At any rate,

it was never in any of the ancient languages involved in scripture.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

hey that is just plain silly to think that God spelled backwards is dog is

disrepectful to all religions---yikes. how completely crazy can we get?

Gracia

Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> You are correct Chuck. We don't care if others use it or say it. However, it

>

> does insult me when someone says that the word should be dog which is

>

> G-d spelled backwards. I'm sure you understand.

>

Sure, the implication is at least disrespectful for all religions, as is

the mere act of attempting to make a joke out of the subject. That

wasn't me, BTW, although I may have carried with a header.

Curiously, the etymology of this word is unknown. It was in use, at

least as a generic noun, in Old English, Anglo Saxon, and other Teutonic

languages, including Old High German. It has been theorized to be

connected to Sanskrit, hu, " to implore, invoke, or call upon. " In

Persian this became Khoda; in Hindu, Khooda, but there the trail runs

cold. Perhaps the Persian empire spread it into Europe, along with the

connotation of " who is implored, invoked, or called upon. " At any rate,

it was never in any of the ancient languages involved in scripture.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

At this point, it is interesting to learn the origins of things, but for me it

works. I know

you had nothing to do with saying what was said.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> You are correct Chuck. We don't care if others use it or say it. However, it

>

> does insult me when someone says that the word should be dog which is

>

> G-d spelled backwards. I'm sure you understand.

>

Sure, the implication is at least disrespectful for all religions, as is

the mere act of attempting to make a joke out of the subject. That

wasn't me, BTW, although I may have carried with a header.

Curiously, the etymology of this word is unknown. It was in use, at

least as a generic noun, in Old English, Anglo Saxon, and other Teutonic

languages, including Old High German. It has been theorized to be

connected to Sanskrit, hu, " to implore, invoke, or call upon. " In

Persian this became Khoda; in Hindu, Khooda, but there the trail runs

cold. Perhaps the Persian empire spread it into Europe, along with the

connotation of " who is implored, invoked, or called upon. " At any rate,

it was never in any of the ancient languages involved in scripture.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

You know Gracia, if you don't understand it there is no use in trying to explain

it

to you.

Roni

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

hey that is just plain silly to think that God spelled backwards is dog is

disrepectful to all religions---yikes. how completely crazy can we get?

Gracia

Roni,

You wrote:

>

>

> You are correct Chuck. We don't care if others use it or say it. However, it

>

> does insult me when someone says that the word should be dog which is

>

> G-d spelled backwards. I'm sure you understand.

>

Sure, the implication is at least disrespectful for all religions, as is

the mere act of attempting to make a joke out of the subject. That

wasn't me, BTW, although I may have carried with a header.

Curiously, the etymology of this word is unknown. It was in use, at

least as a generic noun, in Old English, Anglo Saxon, and other Teutonic

languages, including Old High German. It has been theorized to be

connected to Sanskrit, hu, " to implore, invoke, or call upon. " In

Persian this became Khoda; in Hindu, Khooda, but there the trail runs

cold. Perhaps the Persian empire spread it into Europe, along with the

connotation of " who is implored, invoked, or called upon. " At any rate,

it was never in any of the ancient languages involved in scripture.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

Chuck wrote:

" At any rate, it was never in any of the ancient languages involved

in scripture. "

1) 'scripture' if you are referring to the Hebrew Bible, was written

in HEBREW. God's name there, in the Torah scroll, is a 4 letter (tetra

- grammaton) word consisting of the Hebrew letters yud-hey-vah-hey.

It's not pronounced today, as written, because

a) only the High Priest uttered the name and only in the Holy of

Holies spot in the Holy Temple and only on Yom Kippur on behalf of the

people, and

we no longer know HOW to pronounce it, since the Temple's

destruction. So in Hebrew, a different word is substituted for it. We

don't utter God's name, therefore.

Other languages' " translations " (e.g. God, Gott (German), Dieu, Dios,

etc...) are not God's name. God's name is that unpronounceable 4

letter word as it appears in the Torah scroll in Hebrew.

2) BUT... more importantly: I fail to understand why, on a list on

hypothyroidism, there is ANY discussion of theology or religion. It

seems to me to be inappropriate.

I'd appreciate it if we kept to the topic.

Thanks,

Ilana nsky

[Guest guest]

thanks for this wonderful explanation, Ilana, I love it.

I personally like the freedom to discuss anything here---it's surprising what

ppl know. Off topic always fizzles out on it's own.

Gracia

Chuck wrote:

" At any rate, it was never in any of the ancient languages involved

in scripture. "

1) 'scripture' if you are referring to the Hebrew Bible, was written

in HEBREW. God's name there, in the Torah scroll, is a 4 letter (tetra

- grammaton) word consisting of the Hebrew letters yud-hey-vah-hey.

It's not pronounced today, as written, because

a) only the High Priest uttered the name and only in the Holy of

Holies spot in the Holy Temple and only on Yom Kippur on behalf of the

people, and

we no longer know HOW to pronounce it, since the Temple's

destruction. So in Hebrew, a different word is substituted for it. We

don't utter God's name, therefore.

Other languages' " translations " (e.g. God, Gott (German), Dieu, Dios,

etc...) are not God's name. God's name is that unpronounceable 4

letter word as it appears in the Torah scroll in Hebrew.

2) BUT... more importantly: I fail to understand why, on a list on

hypothyroidism, there is ANY discussion of theology or religion. It

seems to me to be inappropriate.

I'd appreciate it if we kept to the topic.

Thanks,

Ilana nsky

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I agree with that!

Gracia

You know Gracia, if you don't understand it there is no use in trying to

explain it

to you.

Roni

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

hey that is just plain silly to think that God spelled backwards is dog is

disrepectful to all religions---yikes. how completely crazy can we get?

Gracia

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