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Oh AJ? Remember that foto I sent you? The one of the really hot babe?

I " LOST " around 129 pounds on the proper meds. No lipo no weight loss

surgery, just the proper hormones " dosed by symptoms " . Oh wait, and I

sat on my big fat arse in front of the TV and computer while loosing

all that weight. And afterwards, when my face was all hangy baggy, I

had a lower face lift - the top part of my face is still wrinkly, but

my neck no longer hangs down to my navel... heh

No liposuction, AJ, you won't need it...

Sam

>

> Curious to know if anyone who has had weight gain due to thyroid

problems

> has had liposuction? If so, did the fat come back to the areas

treated?

>

> AJ

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I have gained weight, but I would never have that procedure done.

Roni

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Curious to know if anyone who has had weight gain due to thyroid

problems

has had liposuction? If so, did the fat come back to the areas treated?

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Or you became hyperthyroid dosing that way, which causes dramatic weight

loss (I know, I was hyperthyroid in my 20's).

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Oh AJ? Remember that foto I sent you? The one of the really hot babe?

I " LOST " around 129 pounds on the proper meds. No lipo no weight loss

surgery, just the proper hormones " dosed by symptoms " . Oh wait, and I

sat on my big fat arse in front of the TV and computer while loosing

all that weight. And afterwards, when my face was all hangy baggy, I

had a lower face lift - the top part of my face is still wrinkly, but

my neck no longer hangs down to my navel... heh

No liposuction, AJ, you won't need it...

Sam

>

> Curious to know if anyone who has had weight gain due to thyroid

problems

> has had liposuction? If so, did the fat come back to the areas

treated?

>

> AJ

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Nope, I never became hypErthyroid at all. Dosing by symptoms was the

easiest way to dose for me. My body just let go of all that it didn't

need. As a matter of fact, I am still a bit over weight maybe by 20-

ish poundsore or less, altho I look pretty hot and have really nice

boobs at this weight. <grin>

Whenever hypO symptoms returned, I increased by dose, but I didn't

increase my dose by large percentages, I increased by 1/2 grain

(30mg) at a time until I was at 6 or 7 grains when dosing by one

grain at a time only added a small perentage to my dose.

For example, I started at 2 grains, so adding 30mg (1/2 grain)

increased my dose by 25%. At 4 grains, adding 30mg meant I increased

my dose by only 12.5%. At 10 grains adding 60mg (one grain) only

increased my dose by 10%. The higher in dose I got, the lower in

percentage I increased.

Seriously, I had TWO choices - die or self treat, so I chose the

least fatal course. However, I learned what I needed to do before I

ever attempted it - seems like the " old school way " works pretty

darned good. Proof's in the puddin'

Wanna see fotos? Email me private k9gang at openaccess.org

Sam :-D

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> > Curious to know if anyone who has had weight gain due to thyroid

> problems

> > has had liposuction? If so, did the fat come back to the areas

> treated?

> >

> > AJ

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I can't imagine anyone abusing thyroid meds to lose weight. The sensation of

overdoing Armour/Levoxyl is most unpleasant. Despite the fact Armour and

other thyroid meds are commonly available overseas on the internet they are

not common to use as diet drugs....at least as far as I know. Comments???

Neil

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From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Sam

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:19 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

Nope, I never became hypErthyroid at all. Dosing by symptoms was the

easiest way to dose for me. My body just let go of all that it didn't

need. As a matter of fact, I am still a bit over weight maybe by 20-

ish poundsore or less, altho I look pretty hot and have really nice

boobs at this weight. <grin>

Whenever hypO symptoms returned, I increased by dose, but I didn't

increase my dose by large percentages, I increased by 1/2 grain

(30mg) at a time until I was at 6 or 7 grains when dosing by one

grain at a time only added a small perentage to my dose.

For example, I started at 2 grains, so adding 30mg (1/2 grain)

increased my dose by 25%. At 4 grains, adding 30mg meant I increased

my dose by only 12.5%. At 10 grains adding 60mg (one grain) only

increased my dose by 10%. The higher in dose I got, the lower in

percentage I increased.

Seriously, I had TWO choices - die or self treat, so I chose the

least fatal course. However, I learned what I needed to do before I

ever attempted it - seems like the " old school way " works pretty

darned good. Proof's in the puddin'

Wanna see fotos? Email me private k9gang at openaccess.org

Sam :-D

> >

> > Curious to know if anyone who has had weight gain due to thyroid

> problems

> > has had liposuction? If so, did the fat come back to the areas

> treated?

> >

> > AJ

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agreed.

gracia

I can't imagine anyone abusing thyroid meds to lose weight. The sensation of

overdoing Armour/Levoxyl is most unpleasant. Despite the fact Armour and

other thyroid meds are commonly available overseas on the internet they are

not common to use as diet drugs....at least as far as I know. Comments???

Neil

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neil wrote:

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> I can't imagine anyone abusing thyroid meds to lose weight. ... Comments???

Cytomel has a history of being abused, primarily by competitive weight

lifters.

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Hi AJ,

I (james) garner from your mail that you would actually consider going

through with this barbaric procedure?

Check yourself before you wreck yourself homeboy! Do you really want

some quack poking around inside your body through an open wound with a

vacuum cleaner, as if they're trying to get at that awkward corner

behind the TV? That's some sick *hit!

Once you settle on the correct course of medication, any weight

accumulated due to your underactive thyroid should fall off pretty

quick-smart, like Gracia and Sam said. So put the mutilation on hold

and check it out homie!!

Just my fiddy cents worth,

Henry

>

> Curious to know if anyone who has had weight gain due to thyroid

problems

> has had liposuction? If so, did the fat come back to the areas

treated?

>

> AJ

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

>

>

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No doubt! I've actually been accused of this, however I have never at

any time purposely given myself an overdose of thyroid replacement.

I don't know why anyone would assume a sensible human being would

willingly attempt to give themselves a heart attack, diarrhea,

uncontrollable shakes, hairloss, and the like. Ick. Feeling good is

one thing but trying to kill oneself is insane.

Something interesting is that since I've been treating my low

aldosterone, I've noticed a bit more weight loss, altho not a lot,

but it's steady. I do NOT diet in any way shape or form, but I don't

over-eat either, and I love chocolate cake. :-D

Sam :)

(4ft 11 inches tall)

>

> I can't imagine anyone abusing thyroid meds to lose weight. The

sensation of

> overdoing Armour/Levoxyl is most unpleasant. Despite the fact

Armour and

> other thyroid meds are commonly available overseas on the internet

they are

> not common to use as diet drugs....at least as far as I know.

Comments???

>

> Neil

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How did you self_treat? I didn't think you could buy Amour, or any

thyroid meds, with out a doctor's prescription. I have the same

issue with my weight. In April, I was 118 lbs. After my RAI

treatment, and six months later I am 138 lbs. I have not changed my

eating habits at all. My doctor just upped my synthyroid to 75 from

50, but I am not sure that will work.

> > >

> > > Curious to know if anyone who has had weight gain due to

thyroid

> > problems

> > > has had liposuction? If so, did the fat come back to the areas

> > treated?

> > >

> > > AJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Cocaine/heroin and the likes make folks feel good, but it isn't necessarily

the right way to medicate whatever ails us.

Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

No doubt! I've actually been accused of this, however I have never at

any time purposely given myself an overdose of thyroid replacement.

I don't know why anyone would assume a sensible human being would

willingly attempt to give themselves a heart attack, diarrhea,

uncontrollable shakes, hairloss, and the like. Ick. Feeling good is

one thing but trying to kill oneself is insane.

Something interesting is that since I've been treating my low

aldosterone, I've noticed a bit more weight loss, altho not a lot,

but it's steady. I do NOT diet in any way shape or form, but I don't

over-eat either, and I love chocolate cake. :-D

Sam :)

(4ft 11 inches tall)

>

> I can't imagine anyone abusing thyroid meds to lose weight. The

sensation of

> overdoing Armour/Levoxyl is most unpleasant. Despite the fact

Armour and

> other thyroid meds are commonly available overseas on the internet

they are

> not common to use as diet drugs....at least as far as I know.

Comments???

>

> Neil

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you can buy them online from an overseas company- where usually you don't need a

scrip as long as they label them nutritional supplements and not medicine. I

have gotten them for a UK based company and have never had any problems with

customs. write me off list if you want the web address.

nancie

Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

How did you self_treat? I didn't think you could buy Amour, or any

thyroid meds, with out a doctor's prescription. I have the same

issue with my weight. In April, I was 118 lbs. After my RAI

treatment, and six months later I am 138 lbs. I have not changed my

eating habits at all. My doctor just upped my synthyroid to 75 from

50, but I am not sure that will work.

> > >

> > > Curious to know if anyone who has had weight gain due to

thyroid

> > problems

> > > has had liposuction? If so, did the fat come back to the areas

> > treated?

> > >

> > > AJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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You are correct. Cocaine/heroin are not things that one would take to

replace thyroid hormones. Interesting that you would mention those

particular drugs, tho. It seems many allopaths I have come across

seem to feel Armour Thyroid is the same as heroin and cocaine.

Sam

(completely euthroid)

>

> Cocaine/heroin and the likes make folks feel good, but it isn't

necessarily

> the right way to medicate whatever ails us.

>

> Re: Anyone with weight gain have

Liposuction?

>

>

>

> No doubt! I've actually been accused of this, however I have never

at

> any time purposely given myself an overdose of thyroid replacement.

> I don't know why anyone would assume a sensible human being would

> willingly attempt to give themselves a heart attack, diarrhea,

> uncontrollable shakes, hairloss, and the like. Ick. Feeling good is

> one thing but trying to kill oneself is insane.

>

> Something interesting is that since I've been treating my low

> aldosterone, I've noticed a bit more weight loss, altho not a lot,

> but it's steady. I do NOT diet in any way shape or form, but I

don't

> over-eat either, and I love chocolate cake. :-D

>

> Sam :)

> (4ft 11 inches tall)

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Of course not. Chocolate is what everybody needs. :-))

Roni

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote:

Cocaine/heroin and the likes make folks feel good, but it isn't

necessarily

the right way to medicate whatever ails us.

Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

No doubt! I've actually been accused of this, however I have never at

any time purposely given myself an overdose of thyroid replacement.

I don't know why anyone would assume a sensible human being would

willingly attempt to give themselves a heart attack, diarrhea,

uncontrollable shakes, hairloss, and the like. Ick. Feeling good is

one thing but trying to kill oneself is insane.

Something interesting is that since I've been treating my low

aldosterone, I've noticed a bit more weight loss, altho not a lot,

but it's steady. I do NOT diet in any way shape or form, but I don't

over-eat either, and I love chocolate cake. :-D

Sam :)

(4ft 11 inches tall)

>

> I can't imagine anyone abusing thyroid meds to lose weight. The

sensation of

> overdoing Armour/Levoxyl is most unpleasant. Despite the fact

Armour and

> other thyroid meds are commonly available overseas on the internet

they are

> not common to use as diet drugs....at least as far as I know.

Comments???

>

> Neil

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I was literally forced to self treat or die. I learned how to do it

first and then I ordered from overseas. I think, tho, maybe you

should try to find a better doc first. You can go to

www.armourthyroid.com and click n the " find a doctor " button, input

your zip code, and you will get a list of doctors who have prescribed

Armour Thyroid. You can also go and ask at a " compounding " pharmacy

which medical poeple are prescribing " BOTH " Armour Thyroid " AND

natural hormones called " BHRT " ...you should get a list of names of

regular medical doctors, naturopaths, nurse practitioners, and

physicians assistants. Naturopaths and nurse practitioners are in

general more inclined to bide by the wishes of a patient who requests

to be put on Armour Thyroid. But make sure you interview any contacts

you get, to see if they are the right fit for you in particular.

Try that first because you may find someone who is fantastic.

In my situation I had already done that and was in a dire medical

situation where I might not have made it a few more months...

I really had to move fast to save my own life.

Sam :)

> > > >

> > > > Curious to know if anyone who has had weight gain due to

> thyroid

> > > problems

> > > > has had liposuction? If so, did the fat come back to the

areas

> > > treated?

> > > >

> > > > AJ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Really dark chocolate at that!

Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

No doubt! I've actually been accused of this, however I have never at

any time purposely given myself an overdose of thyroid replacement.

I don't know why anyone would assume a sensible human being would

willingly attempt to give themselves a heart attack, diarrhea,

uncontrollable shakes, hairloss, and the like. Ick. Feeling good is

one thing but trying to kill oneself is insane.

Something interesting is that since I've been treating my low

aldosterone, I've noticed a bit more weight loss, altho not a lot,

but it's steady. I do NOT diet in any way shape or form, but I don't

over-eat either, and I love chocolate cake. :-D

Sam :)

(4ft 11 inches tall)

>

> I can't imagine anyone abusing thyroid meds to lose weight. The

sensation of

> overdoing Armour/Levoxyl is most unpleasant. Despite the fact

Armour and

> other thyroid meds are commonly available overseas on the internet

they are

> not common to use as diet drugs....at least as far as I know.

Comments???

>

> Neil

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here, here...

:o)

Mchelle

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote:

Really dark chocolate at that!

Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

No doubt! I've actually been accused of this, however I have never at

any time purposely given myself an overdose of thyroid replacement.

I don't know why anyone would assume a sensible human being would

willingly attempt to give themselves a heart attack, diarrhea,

uncontrollable shakes, hairloss, and the like. Ick. Feeling good is

one thing but trying to kill oneself is insane.

Something interesting is that since I've been treating my low

aldosterone, I've noticed a bit more weight loss, altho not a lot,

but it's steady. I do NOT diet in any way shape or form, but I don't

over-eat either, and I love chocolate cake. :-D

Sam :)

(4ft 11 inches tall)

>

> I can't imagine anyone abusing thyroid meds to lose weight. The

sensation of

> overdoing Armour/Levoxyl is most unpleasant. Despite the fact

Armour and

> other thyroid meds are commonly available overseas on the internet

they are

> not common to use as diet drugs....at least as far as I know.

Comments???

>

> Neil

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A point I've tried to make here repeatedly; it always seems to fall upon

deaf ears.

Have you ever read about Freud and opium?

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> mslatrobe <mslatrobe>

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>

> Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:36 am (PST)

>

> Cocaine/heroin and the likes make folks feel good, but it isn't

> necessarily

> the right way to medicate whatever ails us.

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Yes. So?

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

A point I've tried to make here repeatedly; it always seems to fall

upon

deaf ears.

Have you ever read about Freud and opium?

>

> Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

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> Posted by: " Dusty " dusty@...

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> mslatrobe <mslatrobe>

>

>

> Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:36 am (PST)

>

> Cocaine/heroin and the likes make folks feel good, but it isn't

> necessarily

> the right way to medicate whatever ails us.

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Dark! Oh, no!!! I'm a chocoholic, but I find the dark chocolate to be

bitter; I don't like it at all. It's milk chocolate for me!

PS: Funny, my spell checker has no problem with " chocoholic " ...

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> Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

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> Posted by: " Dusty " dusty@...

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> mslatrobe <mslatrobe>

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> Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:53 pm (PST)

>

> Really dark chocolate at that!

>

>

> RE: Re: Anyone with weight gain have

> Liposuction?

>

> Of course not. Chocolate is what everybody needs. :-))

>

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It's " hear, hear " [ggg]

The Nit Picker...

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> Posted by: " and Irwin " familyirwin@...

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> fritzalseth <fritzalseth>

>

>

> Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:26 pm (PST)

>

> here, here...

> :o)

> Mchelle

>

> Dusty <dusty@... <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>>

> wrote:

> Really dark chocolate at that!

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No, I meant, Dark Chocolate is... " here, here " J/K Thanks for pointing that

out!!

;o)

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>

>

> Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:26 pm (PST)

>

> here, here...

> :o)

> Mchelle

>

> Dusty <dusty@... <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>>

> wrote:

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No - I don't know about Freud and opium. What's up w/that?

Dusty

Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

A point I've tried to make here repeatedly; it always seems to fall upon

deaf ears.

Have you ever read about Freud and opium?

>

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> Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:36 am (PST)

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> Cocaine/heroin and the likes make folks feel good, but it isn't

> necessarily

> the right way to medicate whatever ails us.

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It proves Dusty's point. Treating symptoms only has its limitations;

just like any other kind of treatment. And it the worst case scenario

can be fatal. It's better to seek a balance, as Dr. Hertoghe did.

While he could [apparently] diagnose from appearance and other subtle

clues he always seemed to follow up with tests. Always.

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

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>

> Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:45 pm (PST)

>

> Yes. So?

> Roni

>

> <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

> A point I've tried to make here repeatedly; it always seems to fall upon

> deaf ears.

>

> Have you ever read about Freud and opium?

>

>

>

> >

> > Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

> >

>

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> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " Dusty " dusty@...

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>

> > <mailto:dusty@...

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>?Subject=%20Re%

> 3A%20Anyone%20with%20weight%20gain%20have%20Liposuction%3F>

> > mslatrobe <mslatrobe

> <mslatrobe>>

> >

> >

> > Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:36 am (PST)

> >

> > Cocaine/heroin and the likes make folks feel good, but it isn't

> > necessarily

> > the right way to medicate whatever ails us.

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