Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 i think you might be confused. Brownstein is just one of the docs who uses Iodoral---he uses it b/c that is what there is. it was developed to be a convenient way to take Lugols in pill form. Alternative or holistic docs use vitamins and minerals as medicines. have you looked at his website? he also writes books. http://www.drbrownstein.com Gracia Well, we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of us even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more evidence to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth theory. And I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering. Plus, as I understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and writes professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be laughed out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence. That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc; but it does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on me or anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent medical care. > Recent Activity a.. 12New Members Visit Your Group Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Parenting Zone Your home for parenting information on . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: 1/13/2008 8:23 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hmmm, you are implying Dr Brownstein et al sell iodine as an integral part of commercial activities, by calling them iodine salesmen/women. And how do you know this is true? Simply because they use an iodine/iodide supplement when treating some types of patients and then report on results? Sam > > Well, we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of us > even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more evidence > to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth theory. And > I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering. Plus, as I > understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and writes > professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be laughed > out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence. > > That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc; but it > does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on me or > anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent medical care. > > > ===== > > Re: TSH test and iodine > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and% 20iodine> > > graciabee <graciabee> > > > > > > Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:25 pm (PST) > > > > > > oops your ignorance is showing. > > we should all be so lucky to have Brownstein for a doc. > > gracia > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 A. I agree that iodine can aggravate autoimmune thyroid conditions. Iodine supplementation in those that have an autoimmune thyroid problem can be akin to pouring gas over a fire. However, with hypothyroid conditions that are not autoimmune in nature, iodine-containing foods can actually help the thyroid function better These are the words of Dr. Brownstein from his webpage. He acknowledges and agrees that iodine can aggravate autoimmune thyroid conditions, but can be good for other types. Roni Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: Hmmm, you are implying Dr Brownstein et al sell iodine as an integral part of commercial activities, by calling them iodine salesmen/women. And how do you know this is true? Simply because they use an iodine/iodide supplement when treating some types of patients and then report on results? Sam > > Well, we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of us > even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more evidence > to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth theory. And > I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering. Plus, as I > understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and writes > professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be laughed > out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence. > > That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc; but it > does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on me or > anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent medical care. > > > ===== > > Re: TSH test and iodine > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and% 20iodine> > > graciabee <graciabee> > > > > > > Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:25 pm (PST) > > > > > > oops your ignorance is showing. > > we should all be so lucky to have Brownstein for a doc. > > gracia > > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Have you read the new 3rd edition of his iodine book yet? Sam > > > > Well, we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of > us > > even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more > evidence > > to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth theory. > And > > I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering. Plus, > as I > > understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and > writes > > professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be > laughed > > out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence. > > > > That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc; but > it > > does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on > me or > > anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent > medical care. > > > > > > > ===== > > > Re: TSH test and iodine > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@ > > > <mailto:circe@?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and% > 20iodine> > > > graciabee <graciabee> > > > > > > > > > Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:25 pm (PST) > > > > > > > > > oops your ignorance is showing. > > > we should all be so lucky to have Brownstein for a doc. > > > gracia > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 this is not from his webpage--this is from Shomon's site and is something he wrote a long time ago. I don't think he believes this now, since he uses Iodoral for all his patients! meanwhile, even Shomon is working with him, and we are all waiting for her to write about it. Gracia A. I agree that iodine can aggravate autoimmune thyroid conditions. Iodine supplementation in those that have an autoimmune thyroid problem can be akin to pouring gas over a fire. However, with hypothyroid conditions that are not autoimmune in nature, iodine-containing foods can actually help the thyroid function better These are the words of Dr. Brownstein from his webpage. He acknowledges and agrees that iodine can aggravate autoimmune thyroid conditions, but can be good for other types. Roni Recent Activity a.. 12New Members Visit Your Group Health Looking for Love? Find relationship advice and answers. Best of Y! Groups Check it out and nominate your group to be featured. Home Improvement Learn and share do-it-yourself tips. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: 1/13/2008 8:23 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Gale? Has he had aldosterone/renin tested yet? How about magnesium, potasium, and sodium along with? If his adrenals are that bad and with a-fib, that might be something to seriously consider testing. I was also on 7.5mg Delta, by the way... Sam (thyroidless sine 1990) > > > > > > if he is on enough HC and DHEA, then he can get to enough Armour > very quickly. no need to suffer. A-fib goes away completely when > adrenals are properly treated. he probly needs testosterone too. > > Gracia > > > > > > Roni, > > > > My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is also on > HC & Armour but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly increasing the > Armour. What supplements did your Dr recommend? > > > > Gale > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 very interesting! I wonder if he would do better on cortef dosed 5mg (7.5) 4X a day. He might also need testosterone and high dose iodine helps everything. Low adrenals usually means low sex hormones too. Gracia Gale? Has he had aldosterone/renin tested yet? How about magnesium, potasium, and sodium along with? If his adrenals are that bad and with a-fib, that might be something to seriously consider testing. I was also on 7.5mg Delta, by the way... Sam (thyroidless sine 1990) > > > > > > if he is on enough HC and DHEA, then he can get to enough Armour > very quickly. no need to suffer. A-fib goes away completely when > adrenals are properly treated. he probly needs testosterone too. > > Gracia > > > > > > Roni, > > > > My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is also on > HC & Armour but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly increasing the > Armour. What supplements did your Dr recommend? > > > > Gale > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Thanks Sam, If I can find a lab ( & the money) to test aldosterone & renin that will be our next step. His sodium has always been low, the last test it was under the bottom of the range. Potassium was low in range. I do not think that magnesium has been tested but he is on 800mg of mag for constipation that started last summer when he quit smoking & became hypo. I remembered that you were on Delta from last year. He tried Cortef but it was hopeless, he could not remember the 4 doses & I was about ready to k*** him. His BP has been even more elevated since starting HC. I worry about that. Gale > > > > > > > > > if he is on enough HC and DHEA, then he can get to enough Armour > > very quickly. no need to suffer. A-fib goes away completely when > > adrenals are properly treated. he probly needs testosterone too. > > > Gracia > > > > > > > > > Roni, > > > > > > My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is also > on > > HC & Armour but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly increasing the > > Armour. What supplements did your Dr recommend? > > > > > > Gale > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Gracia, He cannot remember to take the Cortef, that is why he switched to Delta. On his saliva test it showed his testosterone was high in range but estrogen & progesterone were way over range. He is taking DIM to try to bring the estrogen down. It is my understanding that elevated estrogen is very typical with AF. Gale > > > very interesting! I wonder if he would do better on cortef dosed 5mg (7.5) 4X a day. He might also need testosterone and high dose iodine helps everything. Low adrenals usually means low sex hormones too. > Gracia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 No, I have not. Why do you ask? Roni Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: Have you read the new 3rd edition of his iodine book yet? Sam > > > > Well, we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of > us > > even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more > evidence > > to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth theory. > And > > I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering. Plus, > as I > > understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and > writes > > professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be > laughed > > out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence. > > > > That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc; but > it > > does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on > me or > > anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent > medical care. > > > > > > > ===== > > > Re: TSH test and iodine > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@ > > > <mailto:circe@?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and% > 20iodine> > > > graciabee <graciabee> > > > > > > > > > Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:25 pm (PST) > > > > > > > > > oops your ignorance is showing. > > > we should all be so lucky to have Brownstein for a doc. > > > gracia > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Gracia, he should be taking magnesium 500mgs, potassium 99mgs, furosemide 20mgs, Hawthorn 500mgs 3xd and nattokinase 2000 units 3xday. These were all suggested by my cardio when we realized that I couldn't take the drugs. Roni Gale <nsndallas@...> wrote: Gracia, His adrenals tested very BAD. He is on 7.5 Delta & 4 gr of Armour at this time. On 3,1/2 gr of Armour his Saliva test showed his T4 below range, this was pre Delta. His DHEA was at the top of range as he had been supplementing DHEA for a while. We really cannot see any improvment yet & he recently had another episode of A-Fib, about 2 weeks after starting the Delta. For now at least we just have to take it slow & easy. He is still very hypo though. Gale > > > if he is on enough HC and DHEA, then he can get to enough Armour very quickly. no need to suffer. A-fib goes away completely when adrenals are properly treated. he probly needs testosterone too. > Gracia > > > Roni, > > My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is also on HC & Armour but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly increasing the Armour. What supplements did your Dr recommend? > > Gale > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 , It seems that you feel strongly about this, and have made your feelings known in your other posts about the " scientific method " . For many years I went to allopathic medicine doctors exclusively, but they really failed me horribly in the last few years. That's when I turned to try to get some relief and opened my mind. I have had much better results with osteopathic and other types of doctors. This despite I was strongly biased against these types originally. I was pretty surprised. I say...whatever works. Whatever gets relief NOW...I can't wait 30 years for the scientific method and closed blind studies to prove things like iodine, Armour, HRT, etc work. Neil ________________________________ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of and Irwin Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:44 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: TSH test and iodine No Comment. <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote: Well, we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of us even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more evidence to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth theory. And I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering. Plus, as I understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and writes professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be laughed out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence. That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc; but it does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on me or anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent medical care. > > Re: TSH test and iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/34934;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZTh oajM0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQ 5MzQEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDI4NjE2MA-- <hypothyroidism/message/34934;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZTh oajM0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQ 5MzQEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDI4NjE2MA--> > > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > <mailto:circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine> > graciabee <graciabee <graciabee> > > > > Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:25 pm (PST) > > > oops your ignorance is showing. > we should all be so lucky to have Brownstein for a doc. > gracia > > Okay; I'll try to just call them " salesmen " or something else harmless, > if it will make you feel better. Just for you! [ggg] > > But truthfully, my respect for people like Brownstein [or whatever] is > somewhere below the toilet. Their professional reputations would be > accurately described by the word I used. They're truly an embarrassment > to others who hold PhD's. Their practices are the total antithesis of > the scientific method. > > As always, IMHO. > > > > PS: No, I'm not a scientist. AFAIK Chuck is the only one here. And > he's smart enough to stay out of lose-lose types of " discussions " > ! [ggg] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Absolutely agreed Roni, doctors are human and vary. _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Roni Molin Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:45 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Re: TSH test and iodine No, but each doctor and each situation has to be taken case by case, and what will work for one won't for another. Sometimes, allopathic medicine is needed, and sometimes holistic medicine is needed. It's not that one is good and one bad, it's that they ALL need to be more flexible and work with each other for the benefit of the paitient, instead of for the benefit of promoting their own ajenda. Roni neil <neilneil@roadrunner <mailto:neilneil%40roadrunner.com> .com> wrote: There are many patients that have tried " regular " doctors....sometimes for years with poor results. If the patients get good results, who's to argue? Brownstein is so booked up he is not accepting patients at this time. My personal doctor has degrees in neurology, behavioral neurology, endocrinology, immunology, and nutrition...he has me taking Lugol's (wrote a prescription for it and I got it filled at a compounding pharmacy), Armour, vitamin C, B-100, and a few others along those lines. So my doctor is a crock too? Neil _____ From: hypothyroidism@ <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> [mailto:hypothyroidism@ <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:01 PM hypothyroidism@ <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine Okay; I'll try to just call them " salesmen " or something else harmless, if it will make you feel better. Just for you! [ggg] But truthfully, my respect for people like Brownstein [or whatever] is somewhere below the toilet. Their professional reputations would be accurately described by the word I used. They're truly an embarrassment to others who hold PhD's. Their practices are the total antithesis of the scientific method. As always, IMHO. PS: No, I'm not a scientist. AFAIK Chuck is the only one here. And he's smart enough to stay out of lose-lose types of " discussions " ! [ggg] > > Re: TSH test and iodine > <http://groups. <http://groups. <hypothyroidism/message/34760;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbmN > /group/hypothyroidism/message/34760;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbmN zbjdiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQ 3NjAEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDA0NzU0Mg--> /group/hypothyroidism/message/34760;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbmNzbjdiBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQ3NjAEc2VjA2Rtc2 cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDA0NzU0Mg--> > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gangopenaccess (DOT) <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> org > <mailto:k9gangopenaccess (DOT) <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> org?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine> > stealthwind <http://profiles. <http://profiles. <stealthwind> /stealthwind> /stealthwind> > > > Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:37 pm (PST) > > More than personal experience, . > > It makes me very uncomfortable when you, and like, call the > researchers shills. Would you please not do that? > > Sam > > > > > > That should be interesting; but really only if it's peer reviewed. > If > > it's the iodine docs " researching " the product they shill for it's > of no > > real interest to a scientist. Keep us informed... > > > > BTW, I rather suspect that you may have reference to personal > > experience, which is not a controlled study. If that's the case it > may > > have monumental personal value; but zilch in professional circles. > I > > know you don't understand or accept that; but it's the simple truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: TSH test and iodine > > > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > > > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and% > 20iodine> > > > stealthwind <http://profiles. <http://profiles. <stealthwind> /stealthwind> /stealthwind > <http://profiles. <http://profiles. <stealthwind> /stealthwind> /stealthwind>> > > > > > > > > > Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:08 am (PST) > > > > > > Mmmm, there is a controlled study going on...it's > > > not falling flat on it's face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 'cause there's some realllllly good stuff in there... Sam > Have you read the new 3rd edition of his iodine book yet? > > Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Unless I'm mistaken I've come across a few papers and articles written by [i think] Brownstein and Flechas [sp?] as well as Abraham. Weren't these three involved in The Iodine Project? Aren't their papers all published in " The Original Internist " [or similar]? I see they're all three mentioned here: http://iodine4health.com/ortho/ortho.htm And when they get to the list of " Clinicians Using Iodine " the very first name is Hulda . ly, I would not put Brownstein, Abraham, or Flechas in a group containing H. . AFAIK they may all [NOT ] be good physicians. It is their scientific credibility that I question; and which I suspect is of little interest to many here. Right now I don't have the articles handy. > > Re: TSH test and iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/34975;_ylc=X3oDMTJxNGU0NG8\ 1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQ5NzUEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDM0MjY5Nw--> > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine> > stealthwind <stealthwind> > > > Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:45 am (PST) > > Hmmm, you are implying Dr Brownstein et al sell iodine as an integral > part of commercial activities, by calling them iodine salesmen/women. > And how do you know this is true? Simply because they use an > iodine/iodide supplement when treating some types of patients and > then report on results? > > Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I have absolutely nothing against natural healing methods, and use them myself. The thing I take issue with is that, just as I refused the toxic medications prescribed for my atrial fibrillation because I have a tendency to become allergic, and am absolutely unable to use certain drugs that could really help me at times, I don't feel that just because something is termed " natural " that it is automatically good for everyone. Roni <res075oh@...> wrote: Unless I'm mistaken I've come across a few papers and articles written by [i think] Brownstein and Flechas [sp?] as well as Abraham. Weren't these three involved in The Iodine Project? Aren't their papers all published in " The Original Internist " [or similar]? I see they're all three mentioned here: http://iodine4health.com/ortho/ortho.htm And when they get to the list of " Clinicians Using Iodine " the very first name is Hulda . ly, I would not put Brownstein, Abraham, or Flechas in a group containing H. . AFAIK they may all [NOT ] be good physicians. It is their scientific credibility that I question; and which I suspect is of little interest to many here. Right now I don't have the articles handy. > > Re: TSH test and iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/34975;_ylc=X3oDMTJxNGU0NG8\ 1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQ5NzUEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDM0MjY5Nw--> > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine> > stealthwind <stealthwind> > > > Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:45 am (PST) > > Hmmm, you are implying Dr Brownstein et al sell iodine as an integral > part of commercial activities, by calling them iodine salesmen/women. > And how do you know this is true? Simply because they use an > iodine/iodide supplement when treating some types of patients and > then report on results? > > Sam --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 iodine would really help IMO. gracia Gracia, He cannot remember to take the Cortef, that is why he switched to Delta. On his saliva test it showed his testosterone was high in range but estrogen & progesterone were way over range. He is taking DIM to try to bring the estrogen down. It is my understanding that elevated estrogen is very typical with AF. Gale > > > very interesting! I wonder if he would do better on cortef dosed 5mg (7.5) 4X a day. He might also need testosterone and high dose iodine helps everything. Low adrenals usually means low sex hormones too. > Gracia > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: 1/13/2008 8:23 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 That's your reasoning, eh, ? That's pretty silly. BTW, 'did' you read Hulda 's article at www.iodine4health.com ? What about the credibility of Derry, Howenstine, Shevin, Albert Szent-Gyorgi, and ? Sam :-O > > Unless I'm mistaken I've come across a few papers and articles written > by [i think] Brownstein and Flechas [sp?] as well as Abraham. Weren't > these three involved in The Iodine Project? Aren't their papers all > published in " The Original Internist " [or similar]? > > I see they're all three mentioned here: > > http://iodine4health.com/ortho/ortho.htm > > And when they get to the list of " Clinicians Using Iodine " the very > first name is Hulda . > > ly, I would not put Brownstein, Abraham, or Flechas in a group > containing H. . AFAIK they may all [NOT ] be good > physicians. It is their scientific credibility that I question; and > which I suspect is of little interest to many here. > > Right now I don't have the articles handy. > > ===== > > > > > > Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:45 am (PST) > > > > Hmmm, you are implying Dr Brownstein et al sell iodine as an integral > > part of commercial activities, by calling them iodine salesmen/women. > > And how do you know this is true? Simply because they use an > > iodine/iodide supplement when treating some types of patients and > > then report on results? > > > > Sam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Can you make him eat 1 or 2 bananas per day? And maybe 1/2 tsp Celtic sea salt (it's about $3-$5 per pint jar) and a glass of water a couple of times a day as well? You might have to sit on him and pour all that down him, tho. That stuff might help him a wee bit. I know soooo many people who have stopped smoking and then get hypO symptoms. There's a gal I talk to online from Vancouver that said to me she would almost quit smoking but will always have one or 2 per day so she won't go hypO. I find that interesting that quitting smoking may also be hazardous to our health. I smoke a couple of little girly ceegars a day (sometimes less, sometimes more), but don't inhale per se. I haven't inhaled anything legal since the " corn silk " incident back when I was a 'tween.... Sam :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > if he is on enough HC and DHEA, then he can get to enough Armour > > > very quickly. no need to suffer. A-fib goes away completely when > > > adrenals are properly treated. he probly needs testosterone too. > > > > Gracia > > > > > > > > > > > > Roni, > > > > > > > > My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is also > > on > > > HC & Armour but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly increasing the > > > Armour. What supplements did your Dr recommend? > > > > > > > > Gale > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 If what you're doing isn't working the the only intelligent response is to try something else. You're an individual, and as such whatever works for the majority may or may not work for you. Often a medicine that shows improvement in 2/3 or test cases is considered a " good " medicine. But probably not by the 1/3 who get no benefit from it. At the same time [and in the same test] as many as 1/3 of subjects will report improvement if given nothing but a placebo. I strongly believe in the scientific method. I highly value its contribution to our lives and culture. That does not mean I'm blind to it's many limitations. A doctor is highly educated in the science of medicine; but ultimately the PRACTICE of medicine is often as much art as it is science. Maybe more so, in many cases. A doctor will use statistics in choosing a course of treatment; but if a doctor finds himself treating a statistic then he's missed the boat. Medical science is sometimes a matter of numbers and statistics; and none of us is either. It doesn't mean much to a person in the unlucky 5% or 10% who don't get total relief from hypothyroidism from taking Synthroid that it is effective in more than 90% of cases. But that unlucky person shouldn't be blinded to the benefit that the majority receive. If a person receives the desired result with Synthroid then there is little incentive to search out a site such as this and learn of other methods with which hypothyroidism may be treated. So this list tends to self select for those who do not do well on Synthroid. Chuck and I seem to be the only vocal ones; while many here prefer Armour. Or iodine, as well as other supplements. Basically, you need to do whatever works for you; but your probability for success is limited if you don't understand the underlying causes and possible cures of the problem. And it's completely possible that whatever works for you may be directly opposed to the scientific statistics of the majority. That being said, there are just some things out there that cannot have the physiological effect claimed; and so can never have a result other than the placebo effect. > > Re: TSH test and iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/35036;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdm52OWN\ lBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzUwMzYEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDM2NTA4MQ--> > > > > Posted by: " neil " neilneil@... > <mailto:neilneil@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine> > onewaypockets <onewaypockets> > > > Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:15 pm (PST) > > , > > It seems that you feel strongly about this, and have made your feelings > known in your other posts about the " scientific method " . > > For many years I went to allopathic medicine doctors exclusively, but they > really failed me horribly in the last few years. That's when I turned > to try > to get some relief and opened my mind. I have had much better results with > osteopathic and other types of doctors. This despite I was strongly biased > against these types originally. I was pretty surprised. > > I say...whatever works. Whatever gets relief NOW...I can't wait 30 > years for > the scientific method and closed blind studies to prove things like > iodine, > Armour, HRT, etc work. > > Neil > > ____________ > ____________________ > > From: hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > [mailto:hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>] > On Behalf Of and Irwin > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:44 AM > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Subject: Re: Re: TSH test and iodine > > No Comment. > > <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote: Well, > we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of us > even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more evidence > to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth theory. And > I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering. Plus, as I > understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and writes > professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be laughed > out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence. > > That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc; but it > does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on me or > anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent medical care. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Once I have what I consider absolute proof that someone is either a con artist or a mental case I have no further interest in reading anything they write. I don't know anything about the other parties listed; but if they are reputable then they probably resent having their names associated with 's. > > Re: TSH test and iodine > <hypothyroidism/message/35067;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbzFxM2t\ jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzUwNjcEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDM5NjU4Ng--> > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine> > stealthwind <stealthwind> > > > Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:58 pm (PST) > > That's your reasoning, eh, ? That's pretty silly. > > BTW, 'did' you read Hulda 's article at www.iodine4health. > com ? > What about the credibility of Derry, Howenstine, > Shevin, Albert Szent-Gyorgi, and ? > > Sam :-O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 So, no you didn't read the article, then. That's too bad, . It was an interesting slant on the use of inorganic iodine. You don't know anything about Dr Derry, Dr of the Tahoma Clinic in Seattle, or even Dr Howenstine (national Institute of Health)? Probably don't even know a thing about Dr W from the University of Washington School of medicine, I bet. That's to bad, . Sam > > Once I have what I consider absolute proof that someone is either a con > artist or a mental case I have no further interest in reading anything > they write. I don't know anything about the other parties listed; but > if they are reputable then they probably resent having their names > associated with 's. > > ===== > > > > Re: TSH test and iodine > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > > Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:58 pm (PST) > > > > That's your reasoning, eh, ? That's pretty silly. > > > > BTW, 'did' you read Hulda 's article at www.iodine4health. > > com ? > > What about the credibility of Derry, Howenstine, > > Shevin, Albert Szent-Gyorgi, and ? > > > > Sam :-O > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Here is the Dr. site: http://downloads.truthpublishing.com/Dr.pdf Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: So, no you didn't read the article, then. That's too bad, . It was an interesting slant on the use of inorganic iodine. You don't know anything about Dr Derry, Dr of the Tahoma Clinic in Seattle, or even Dr Howenstine (national Institute of Health)? Probably don't even know a thing about Dr W from the University of Washington School of medicine, I bet. That's to bad, . Sam > > Once I have what I consider absolute proof that someone is either a con > artist or a mental case I have no further interest in reading anything > they write. I don't know anything about the other parties listed; but > if they are reputable then they probably resent having their names > associated with 's. > > ===== > > > > Re: TSH test and iodine > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > > Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:58 pm (PST) > > > > That's your reasoning, eh, ? That's pretty silly. > > > > BTW, 'did' you read Hulda 's article at www.iodine4health. > > com ? > > What about the credibility of Derry, Howenstine, > > Shevin, Albert Szent-Gyorgi, and ? > > > > Sam :-O > --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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