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Neil-

I must say, dealing with all the things a hypoT person does (terrible

symptoms, terrible doctors, people not understanding that you have a condition,

etc.

etc.) sometimes I don't mind the thought of a little prozac at the end of the

day [ggg] ;-) Bad joke, but seriously things have to change. We should all

designate a hypoT island. Someplace warm that has amazing docs who specialize in

hypoT. Oh-oh, also pharmacies who are fully equiped with every hypoT drug in

every different dosage, and don't look at you like you are insane when you are

taking 7 grains. We can all go there on vacation, forget about all the people

who don't understand, all the bad docs, and just relax with other amazing

hypoT people ... not a bad idea if I say so myself :-)

Peace,

Dusty,

The problem is ---->getting the proper treatment<----<W

Millions and millions of people are told they are " fine " , and if they bitch

they are put on Prozac. I know many people personally this has happened to,

including both my wife and I. I have also seen it in dozens of posters and

books I have read. I think MOST patients do not get your " standard

treatment " , indeed the standard treatment is to ignore obvious physical

symptoms in favor of TSH only and prescribe Prozac.

In the people that take Levoxyl, patients are typically under medicated

(again the all mighty TSH), overweight, and feel like crap. Obese patients

totter to the pharmacy for the monthly bottle of Levoxyl, the smallest dose

possible to bring their TSH JUST into the low normal range.

When I went to a proper doctor ($475 out of pocket and a lengthy visit of

two plus hours) he showed me my physical symptoms (many) and proved I had

been hypothyroid for many many years.

Your medical " specialists " blow.

The TSH test is the worst thing medicine ever invented. Doctors flushed

their brains down the toilet in favor of staring at a lab sheet. The patient

is invisible and does not matter...only the labs matter. How sad, but Prozac

sales are up!

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess so.

Peace,

Yes, but please note the smiley face at the end.

Sam :-D

--- In _hypothyroidism@hypothyroidihyp_

(mailto:hypothyroidism ) , bear339@, be

>

>

> Ouch, Sam. Was that really necessary?

>

> Eh, scratch the question mark, I don't wanna hear it.

>

> Peace,

>

>

>

>

>

> Really for truely, Chuck, the TSH test is still stupid, no matter

what you

> say...

>

> And I really wish you'd get your head out from whatever oriface it

is stuck

> in

> and open your eyes about inorganic iodine and iodine deficiency. I

say that

> because

> what you, and other uninformed people have been saying makes all of

you sound

> like ignorant school children who " think " you know everything.

>

> Sam :)

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I've never had a saliva test that was off the mark, so I do trust

their results. BTW, I don't dose by test results, I dose according to

symptoms. That's how I went from almost hypO dead into a hot awesome

babe with teenage energy. :)

Sam

>

> look my Md has done RESEARCH and she has found that the salvia test

is not accurate because of the proteins that are found in salvia-

they can bound the cortisol and skew the test results. she trusts the

24 hour urine collection test that is then sent to a special lab and

it takes 3 weeks.

> Re: TSH test and iodine

>

>

> I also had a 2 hour urine test. Mind you, my adrenals were very

> fried, and I was in very bad shape. I also had a ACTH Stim test.

> Those are inadequate tests. I ended up having to self treat my

> adrenals, if that tells you anything.

> You may need to order your own 24-hour saliva cortisol test to

see

> what your cortisol " rhythm " is, so you know how and when to dose.

>

> " Saliva is proving to be an excellent diagnostic medium to

measure

> free steroid hormones. Saliva is a natural ultrafiltrate of

blood,

> and steroids not bound by carrier proteins freely diffuse into

> saliva. Since the concentration of carrier proteins in saliva is

> extremely low, measurements in saliva for the most part represent

the

> free fraction of the hormone. "

>

> Sam

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the best docs I have been to have not been that way. they didn't treat me as

a bunch of parts and diseases. In fact I never heard the " disease " word from

them.

compare that to the printouts from my mother's doc--yikes.

Gracia

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well as in the Chinese Medicine world and the Native American medicine world and

the East Indian medicine world.

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sometimes screws stuff up...I once saw a post many months old

show up on a group, and surprise surprise, they were still discussing

the same subject.

As far as who we go to if regular doctors and typical endos can't

read test results right, we go to alternative medicine docs, or like

me we self treat. I now have a wonderful naturopath, but before I

found him I was literally forced to self treat, or die.

Sam

(thyroidless since 1990)

>

> If regular doctors and typical endo's can's read the test results

right, then

> what type of doctor do you go to. I also wanted to know why it

takes so long

> for a post to show up? I sent a post saturday afternoon and it is

still not

> there. it is now sunday at 4:55, lets just see how long it takes

for this one.

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Hi Neil,

How much vitamin D would one take per day if they were deficient?

Thank you!!

neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

Exactly Sam...the MDR for iodine is just so people don't get a huge

goiter...and not a molecule more.

Same with Vitamin D, just enough not to get rickets and be able to

walk...nothing more.

Forget OPTIMAL levels, forget optimal health, just the minimum.

Just enough Levoxyl to come into the bottom end of normal and not a

microgram more. Still have a weight problem? Get some self control! Still

feel horrible? Have some anti-depressants, its all in your mind! Cholesterol

through the roof? Here's a stiff dose of Crestor that will make your bones

ache!

Neil

_____

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Sam

Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:41 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine

> The TSH test changed about a decade ago,

> making it much more sensitive.

A decade ago that " sensitive " TSH test kept me

severely hypO.

> And, no, I don't believe that most Americans

> are deficient in iodine.

That's too bad. Perhaps you would chance your mind after

speaking with Drs Flechas and Brownstein.

> The last CDC study (1995) showed that only about 12%

> in the U.S. were below the recommended dietary levels,

> at risk rather than deficient.

Recommended dietary level of 150 MICROgrams. EEK!

I know you know darned well that the human body is

supposed to contain much more than that per day.

> The World Health Organization standard for defining

> a deficient population is 20% below the dietary

> recommendation.

That recomendation of 150 MICROgrams again. That is such a pathetic

amount of iodine per day. No wonder the US is experiencing

an " obesity " epidemic, increased cancers, and other issues directly

related to iodine deficiency. What the heck, apparently the planet

needs " some " sort of way to reduce the population on it...

Sam :-o

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Actually a person really needs blood testing to be sure. The proper test is

the 25-hydrox-D test.

If you cannot do testing, taking 2,000iu of an oil based D3 gel cap will not

harm you. But I found out that I needed far more, it takes 6,000iu daily for

my blood level to get to 50ng. It takes 4,000iu daily for my wife to reach

the same level. Dr. (has a blog) tests every one of his patients, some

take as little as 2,000iu, some take in the 12-14,000iu daily to reach

optimal levels!

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/search/label/vitamin%20D

Vitamin D is a fat soluble prohormone, too little is bad and too much is

bad. But when you get it right all sorts of good things happen...up to 70%

reduction of cancers, less coronary artery disease, far fewer colds and flu,

etc.

If you have the time this video is fantastic...

http://wildhorse.insinc.com/directms13oct2005/

Neil

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From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of and Irwin

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:38 AM

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Hi Neil,

How much vitamin D would one take per day if they were deficient?

Thank you!!

neil <neilneil@... <mailto:neilneil%40roadrunner.com> > wrote:

Exactly Sam...the MDR for iodine is just so people don't get a huge

goiter...and not a molecule more.

Same with Vitamin D, just enough not to get rickets and be able to

walk...nothing more.

Forget OPTIMAL levels, forget optimal health, just the minimum.

Just enough Levoxyl to come into the bottom end of normal and not a

microgram more. Still have a weight problem? Get some self control! Still

feel horrible? Have some anti-depressants, its all in your mind! Cholesterol

through the roof? Here's a stiff dose of Crestor that will make your bones

ache!

Neil

_____

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<mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

[mailto:hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ]

On Behalf Of Sam

Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:41 PM

hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine

> The TSH test changed about a decade ago,

> making it much more sensitive.

A decade ago that " sensitive " TSH test kept me

severely hypO.

> And, no, I don't believe that most Americans

> are deficient in iodine.

That's too bad. Perhaps you would chance your mind after

speaking with Drs Flechas and Brownstein.

> The last CDC study (1995) showed that only about 12%

> in the U.S. were below the recommended dietary levels,

> at risk rather than deficient.

Recommended dietary level of 150 MICROgrams. EEK!

I know you know darned well that the human body is

supposed to contain much more than that per day.

> The World Health Organization standard for defining

> a deficient population is 20% below the dietary

> recommendation.

That recomendation of 150 MICROgrams again. That is such a pathetic

amount of iodine per day. No wonder the US is experiencing

an " obesity " epidemic, increased cancers, and other issues directly

related to iodine deficiency. What the heck, apparently the planet

needs " some " sort of way to reduce the population on it...

Sam :-o

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Thanks, Gracia. Just ordered the book.

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> hi

> I think a very good explanation of H-P-A axis can

> be found in Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe

> MD. He's a great guy, my friend goes to him, he's a

> Broda doc.

> http://www.brodabarnes.org

> Gracia

>

>

> Chuck,

>

> When this does happen, what is the usual solution?

> What do people take?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> --- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

>

> > neil wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > I would have to agree. In relying on the TSH

> test,

> > you are making a rather

> > > grand assumption that the

> > hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA axis)is

> > > working properly. Very very often this is not

> the

> > case at all.

> >

> > Not true. This happens about 5% of the time.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Yes, but please note the smiley face at the end.

Sam :-D

>

>

> Ouch, Sam. Was that really necessary?

>

> Eh, scratch the question mark, I don't wanna hear it.

>

> Peace,

>

>

>

>

>

> Really for truely, Chuck, the TSH test is still stupid, no matter

what you

> say...

>

> And I really wish you'd get your head out from whatever oriface it

is stuck

> in

> and open your eyes about inorganic iodine and iodine deficiency. I

say that

> because

> what you, and other uninformed people have been saying makes all of

you sound

> like ignorant school children who " think " you know everything.

>

> Sam :)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

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>

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I'm all for it. Sounds like something I posted a while back.

Roni

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Neil-

I must say, dealing with all the things a hypoT person does (terrible

symptoms, terrible doctors, people not understanding that you have a condition,

etc.

etc.) sometimes I don't mind the thought of a little prozac at the end of the

day [ggg] ;-) Bad joke, but seriously things have to change. We should all

designate a hypoT island. Someplace warm that has amazing docs who specialize in

hypoT. Oh-oh, also pharmacies who are fully equiped with every hypoT drug in

every different dosage, and don't look at you like you are insane when you are

taking 7 grains. We can all go there on vacation, forget about all the people

who don't understand, all the bad docs, and just relax with other amazing

hypoT people ... not a bad idea if I say so myself :-)

Peace,

Dusty,

The problem is ---->getting the proper treatment<----<W

Millions and millions of people are told they are " fine " , and if they bitch

they are put on Prozac. I know many people personally this has happened to,

including both my wife and I. I have also seen it in dozens of posters and

books I have read. I think MOST patients do not get your " standard

treatment " , indeed the standard treatment is to ignore obvious physical

symptoms in favor of TSH only and prescribe Prozac.

In the people that take Levoxyl, patients are typically under medicated

(again the all mighty TSH), overweight, and feel like crap. Obese patients

totter to the pharmacy for the monthly bottle of Levoxyl, the smallest dose

possible to bring their TSH JUST into the low normal range.

When I went to a proper doctor ($475 out of pocket and a lengthy visit of

two plus hours) he showed me my physical symptoms (many) and proved I had

been hypothyroid for many many years.

Your medical " specialists " blow.

The TSH test is the worst thing medicine ever invented. Doctors flushed

their brains down the toilet in favor of staring at a lab sheet. The patient

is invisible and does not matter...only the labs matter. How sad, but Prozac

sales are up!

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neil,

You wrote:

>

> I must be just one in a million, right?

Yes, considering there are over 13 million people taking T4 in the U.S.

alone, I'd say that gives them a fairly good statistical basis to

determine the frequency of false negatives on the TSH test. That doesn't

mean they knew what to do about the 5%, but they can accurately assess

the extent of the question.

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Sam,

As I have told you many times before, I would consider doing all of

those things if you will give me just ONE credible peer reviewed paper

supporting the propaganda.

Chuck

>

>

> Chuck, go here http://www.iodine4health.com/

> <http://www.iodine4health.com/> and read.

> Mmm, how about go to the next iodine conference.

> You could also read the stuff on Steph's site:

> http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html

> <http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html>

> and better yet, contact her. She'll give you quite the earful...

> And why don't you join the iodine group and expose yourself

> to all that information? iodine

> <iodine>

>

> Sam

>

>

> > > ... I say that because

> > > what you, and other uninformed people have been saying makes all of

> you

> > > sound like ignorant school children who " think " you know everything.

> >

> > And I am still waiting for an example of an " informed " person that

> > agrees with any of your claims that isn't directly attached to

> Optimox.

> > I am also still waiting for any type of peer reviewed literature that

> > agrees.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

>

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I am not saying we treat people like diseases - you seem to discount everything

form the allopathic world just because it includes diseases, which INCLUDE

THYROID DISEASES, just because you had bad experiences with several physicians.

all I am saying is there are diseases [including thyroid] that are treated in

all areas of medicine whether it is allopathic or natural.

a patient comes into the office and we listen to their complaints; we exam them;

order tests and see what results we get; come up with a diagnosis and then

DISCUSS with the patient what the treatment options are; give them info on

everything and let them decide.

BTW diseases are made up FROM VARIOUS SYMPTOMS. so, yes you can treat by

symptoms and that DOES NOT mean you are not treating the disease. what do you

think you are doing when you take your armour and iodine and bio-identical

cortisol?? you ARE TREATING A DISEASED thyroid or adrenal gland. or if you don't

have a thyroid you are replacing the hormones for that missing organ.

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the best docs I have been to have not been that way. they didn't treat me as a

bunch of parts and diseases. In fact I never heard the " disease " word from them.

compare that to the printouts from my mother's doc--yikes.

Gracia

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well as in the Chinese Medicine world and the Native American medicine world and

the East Indian medicine world.

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but you would have never taken cortef like drugs if you hadn't tested your

adrenals in the first place to see if HAD a problem.... or at least I hope not-

otherwise you could have given yourself too much cortisol.....

just like with thyroid- you tested first to see where your thyroid hormones

were- then dose to get the frees and T's in the right place, right??

that is the way you should do it and the way it is recommended by good providers

and the stop the thyroid madness website.

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>

>

> I also had a 2 hour urine test. Mind you, my adrenals were very

> fried, and I was in very bad shape. I also had a ACTH Stim test.

> Those are inadequate tests. I ended up having to self treat my

> adrenals, if that tells you anything.

> You may need to order your own 24-hour saliva cortisol test to

see

> what your cortisol " rhythm " is, so you know how and when to dose.

>

> " Saliva is proving to be an excellent diagnostic medium to

measure

> free steroid hormones. Saliva is a natural ultrafiltrate of

blood,

> and steroids not bound by carrier proteins freely diffuse into

> saliva. Since the concentration of carrier proteins in saliva is

> extremely low, measurements in saliva for the most part represent

the

> free fraction of the hormone. "

>

> Sam

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just want to add we also dose by symptoms but we use the labs as a guide to make

sure one doesn't take too much or too little medication.

nancie

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>

>

> I also had a 2 hour urine test. Mind you, my adrenals were very

> fried, and I was in very bad shape. I also had a ACTH Stim test.

> Those are inadequate tests. I ended up having to self treat my

> adrenals, if that tells you anything.

> You may need to order your own 24-hour saliva cortisol test to

see

> what your cortisol " rhythm " is, so you know how and when to dose.

>

> " Saliva is proving to be an excellent diagnostic medium to

measure

> free steroid hormones. Saliva is a natural ultrafiltrate of

blood,

> and steroids not bound by carrier proteins freely diffuse into

> saliva. Since the concentration of carrier proteins in saliva is

> extremely low, measurements in saliva for the most part represent

the

> free fraction of the hormone. "

>

> Sam

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Gracia wrote:

>

> not true at all.

> I think you mean that 5% are treated, the rest suffer from bad genes.

No, I meant what I said. I have read about a dozen studies of the test

and the false negative rate ran from 3% to 9% but was most often around 5%.

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Sweety pie, huney bunch, doll baby,

go to the links I provided and you

will find that which you request.

It's my birthday at 12:10am Pennsylvania time..humor me.

Sam :-P

>

> Sam,

>

> As I have told you many times before, I would consider doing all of

> those things if you will give me just ONE credible peer reviewed

paper

> supporting the propaganda.

>

> Chuck

>

>

> >

> >

> > Chuck, go here http://www.iodine4health.com/

> > <http://www.iodine4health.com/> and read.

> > Mmm, how about go to the next iodine conference.

> > You could also read the stuff on Steph's site:

> > http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html

> > <http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html>

> > and better yet, contact her. She'll give you quite the earful...

> > And why don't you join the iodine group and expose yourself

> > to all that information?

iodine

> > <iodine>

> >

> > Sam

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I started low dose (20mg) Cortef according to the symptoms

I had (later switched to prednisoLone enteric), not by testing,

however I did end up being forced to take the ACTH Stim and 24hr

urine tests after I tred to get a prescription for it so insurance

would pay for more when I needed it. The endo at that time refused to

Rx anything for my adrenals because I did not yet have 's.

I dose by symptoms. I don't use labs to dose by symptoms, I use

symptoms to dose by symptoms. Doesn't matter where my " numbers " are

to me at all as long as I am not symptomatic. My numbers could be sky

high or at the bottom of the barrel and I care not. I am dead

serious. And I am healthy because of that.

Because of a very low TSH some allopathic idiot moron destroyed my

HEALTHY thyroid gland! MY " HEALTHY " THYROID!!!!! Some of us think

allopathic medicine is too full of holes because that has been our

tragic experience, and I've had more than one tragic experience with

those loons.

My 2 cents (just think what 20 cents would have been)

Sam :-o

> >

> > look my Md has done RESEARCH and she has found that the salvia

test

> is not accurate because of the proteins that are found in salvia-

> they can bound the cortisol and skew the test results. she trusts

the

> 24 hour urine collection test that is then sent to a special lab

and

> it takes 3 weeks.

> > Re: TSH test and iodine

> >

> >

> > I also had a 2 hour urine test. Mind you, my adrenals were very

> > fried, and I was in very bad shape. I also had a ACTH Stim

test.

> > Those are inadequate tests. I ended up having to self treat my

> > adrenals, if that tells you anything.

> > You may need to order your own 24-hour saliva cortisol test to

> see

> > what your cortisol " rhythm " is, so you know how and when to

dose.

> >

> > " Saliva is proving to be an excellent diagnostic medium to

> measure

> > free steroid hormones. Saliva is a natural ultrafiltrate of

> blood,

> > and steroids not bound by carrier proteins freely diffuse into

> > saliva. Since the concentration of carrier proteins in saliva

is

> > extremely low, measurements in saliva for the most part

represent

> the

> > free fraction of the hormone. "

> >

> > Sam

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everything's cool when you put a smiley face at the end! ;-)))

neil

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On Behalf Of Sam

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:15 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine

Yes, but please note the smiley face at the end.

Sam :-D

>

>

> Ouch, Sam. Was that really necessary?

>

> Eh, scratch the question mark, I don't wanna hear it.

>

> Peace,

>

>

>

>

>

> Really for truely, Chuck, the TSH test is still stupid, no matter

what you

> say...

>

> And I really wish you'd get your head out from whatever oriface it

is stuck

> in

> and open your eyes about inorganic iodine and iodine deficiency. I

say that

> because

> what you, and other uninformed people have been saying makes all of

you sound

> like ignorant school children who " think " you know everything.

>

> Sam :)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

shape.

> http://body. <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?>

aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

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>

>

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I also have a very low TSH, buth the T4 and T3 free numbers are fine. How did

they

destroy your thyroid?

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

I started low dose (20mg) Cortef according to the symptoms

I had (later switched to prednisoLone enteric), not by testing,

however I did end up being forced to take the ACTH Stim and 24hr

urine tests after I tred to get a prescription for it so insurance

would pay for more when I needed it. The endo at that time refused to

Rx anything for my adrenals because I did not yet have 's.

I dose by symptoms. I don't use labs to dose by symptoms, I use

symptoms to dose by symptoms. Doesn't matter where my " numbers " are

to me at all as long as I am not symptomatic. My numbers could be sky

high or at the bottom of the barrel and I care not. I am dead

serious. And I am healthy because of that.

Because of a very low TSH some allopathic idiot moron destroyed my

HEALTHY thyroid gland! MY " HEALTHY " THYROID!!!!! Some of us think

allopathic medicine is too full of holes because that has been our

tragic experience, and I've had more than one tragic experience with

those loons.

My 2 cents (just think what 20 cents would have been)

Sam :-o

> >

> > look my Md has done RESEARCH and she has found that the salvia

test

> is not accurate because of the proteins that are found in salvia-

> they can bound the cortisol and skew the test results. she trusts

the

> 24 hour urine collection test that is then sent to a special lab

and

> it takes 3 weeks.

> > Re: TSH test and iodine

> >

> >

> > I also had a 2 hour urine test. Mind you, my adrenals were very

> > fried, and I was in very bad shape. I also had a ACTH Stim

test.

> > Those are inadequate tests. I ended up having to self treat my

> > adrenals, if that tells you anything.

> > You may need to order your own 24-hour saliva cortisol test to

> see

> > what your cortisol " rhythm " is, so you know how and when to

dose.

> >

> > " Saliva is proving to be an excellent diagnostic medium to

> measure

> > free steroid hormones. Saliva is a natural ultrafiltrate of

> blood,

> > and steroids not bound by carrier proteins freely diffuse into

> > saliva. Since the concentration of carrier proteins in saliva

is

> > extremely low, measurements in saliva for the most part

represent

> the

> > free fraction of the hormone. "

> >

> > Sam

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Actually a person really needs blood testing to be sure, it's the only

way. The proper test is the 25-hydrox-D test.

If you cannot do testing, taking 2,000iu of an oil based D3 gel cap

will not harm you, but that amount may be FAR too low. I found out

that I needed far more, it takes over 6,000iu daily for my blood level

to get to 50ng/ml. It takes 4,000iu daily for my wife to reach the

same level. Dr. (cardiologist with a blog) tests every one of

his patients, some take as little as 2,000iu, some take in the

12-14,000iu daily to reach optimal levels! Be sure to check out this

link...

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/search/label/vitamin%20D

Vitamin D is a fat soluble prohormone, too little is unfortunate

because you do not get all the benefits and too much can be bad and

lead to too much calcium in the blood. But when you get it right all

sorts of good things happen...up to 70% reduction of cancers, less

coronary artery disease, far fewer colds and flu, better physical

performance,etc.

If you have the time this video is fantastic...

http://wildhorse.insinc.com/directms13oct2005/

Neil

> Exactly Sam...the MDR for iodine is just so people don't

get a huge

> goiter...and not a molecule more.

>

> Same with Vitamin D, just enough not to get rickets and be able to

> walk...nothing more.

>

> Forget OPTIMAL levels, forget optimal health, just the minimum.

>

> Just enough Levoxyl to come into the bottom end of normal and not a

> microgram more. Still have a weight problem? Get some self control!

Still

> feel horrible? Have some anti-depressants, its all in your mind!

Cholesterol

> through the roof? Here's a stiff dose of Crestor that will make your

bones

> ache!

>

> Neil

>

>

> _____

>

> From: hypothyroidism

[mailto:hypothyroidism ]

> On Behalf Of Sam

> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:41 PM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: TSH test and iodine

>

> > The TSH test changed about a decade ago,

> > making it much more sensitive.

>

> A decade ago that " sensitive " TSH test kept me

> severely hypO.

>

> > And, no, I don't believe that most Americans

> > are deficient in iodine.

>

> That's too bad. Perhaps you would chance your mind after

> speaking with Drs Flechas and Brownstein.

>

> > The last CDC study (1995) showed that only about 12%

> > in the U.S. were below the recommended dietary levels,

> > at risk rather than deficient.

>

> Recommended dietary level of 150 MICROgrams. EEK!

> I know you know darned well that the human body is

> supposed to contain much more than that per day.

>

> > The World Health Organization standard for defining

> > a deficient population is 20% below the dietary

> > recommendation.

>

> That recomendation of 150 MICROgrams again. That is such a pathetic

> amount of iodine per day. No wonder the US is experiencing

> an " obesity " epidemic, increased cancers, and other issues directly

> related to iodine deficiency. What the heck, apparently the planet

> needs " some " sort of way to reduce the population on it...

>

> Sam :-o

>

>

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happy birthday sweetie pie honey bunch---that's from an old rock and roll song

XXOO

Gracia

p.s. Chuck--why don't you believe the ppl who are telling you that Iodoral

works? what about evidence based medicine??

Sweety pie, huney bunch, doll baby,

go to the links I provided and you

will find that which you request.

It's my birthday at 12:10am Pennsylvania time..humor me.

Sam :-P

>

> Sam,

>

> As I have told you many times before, I would consider doing all of

> those things if you will give me just ONE credible peer reviewed

paper

> supporting the propaganda.

>

> Chuck

>

>

> >

> >

> > Chuck, go here http://www.iodine4health.com/

> > <http://www.iodine4health.com/> and read.

> > Mmm, how about go to the next iodine conference.

> > You could also read the stuff on Steph's site:

> > http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html

> > <http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html>

> > and better yet, contact her. She'll give you quite the earful...

> > And why don't you join the iodine group and expose yourself

> > to all that information?

iodine

> > <iodine>

> >

> > Sam

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And thank YOU, Gracia for helping me get to where I am now.

I wouldn't be above ground if it weren't for you and ...

Sam :-D

> >

> > Sam,

> >

> > As I have told you many times before, I would consider doing

all of

> > those things if you will give me just ONE credible peer

reviewed

> paper

> > supporting the propaganda.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Chuck, go here http://www.iodine4health.com/

> > > <http://www.iodine4health.com/> and read.

> > > Mmm, how about go to the next iodine conference.

> > > You could also read the stuff on Steph's site:

> > > http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html

> > > <http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html>

> > > and better yet, contact her. She'll give you quite the

earful...

> > > And why don't you join the iodine group and expose yourself

> > > to all that information?

> iodine

> > > <iodine>

> > >

> > > Sam

>

>

>

>

>

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allopathic vs holistic medicine.

Gracia

Gracia wrote:

>

> not true at all.

> I think you mean that 5% are treated, the rest suffer from bad genes.

No, I meant what I said. I have read about a dozen studies of the test

and the false negative rate ran from 3% to 9% but was most often around 5%.

Chuck

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