Re: My new diet

December 30, 2007

Interesting, but how do I know if my thyroid is altogether gone? Is it because I

have

been on medication so many years?

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> The fluoride content in green tea is no good for hypothyroid too? So

> what about the

> fluoride toothpaste? Why did the dentist give me a special fluoride gel

> type thing to

> put on every night? Which I don't do.

Again, if your thyroid is already gone, additional fluoride probably

does no harm, and it at least toughens your teeth against cavities.

Chuck

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December 30, 2007

only if you send me some $$$ to thank me for the tip.

Gracia

p.s why do you avoid seafood?

Gracia,

Do you get a commission for each person who joins the Iodine group?

HAHAHAHAH

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December 30, 2007

Yeah; but these are all NATURAL poisons; so they've got to be good for

you! [ggg]

>

> Re: My new " diet "

>

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> Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@...

> <mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20My%20new%20%22diet%22>

> gumbo482001 <gumbo482001>

>

> Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:12 pm (PST)

>

> Crystal,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > So please tell me about a known carcinogen in organic raw celery! I eat

> > lot's of it!

>

> The main bad actors in celery are the furans, psoralens, and caffeic

> acid. Here's a partial list of other things to lose sleep over. Bon

> Appétit! Notice how many of these are in coffee. That reminds me, I need

> to brew some more.

>

> - Chuck

>

> Naturally Occurring Mutagens and Carcinogens Found in Foods and Beverages

>

> Written By: the American Council on Science and Health

> Published In: Environment News

> Publication Date: November 1, 2002

> Publisher: The Heartland Institute

>

> Acetaldehyde (apples, bread, coffee, tomatoes)—mutagen and potent rodent

> carcinogen

> Acrylamide (bread, rolls)—rodent and human neurotoxin; rodent carcinogen

> Aflatoxin (nuts)—mutagen and potent rodent carcinogen; also a human

> carcinogen

> Allyl isothiocyanate (arugula, broccoli, mustard)—mutagen and rodent

> carcinogen

> Aniline (carrots)—rodent carcinogen

> Benzaldehyde (apples, coffee, tomatoes)—rodent carcinogen

> Benzene (butter, coffee, roast beef)—rodent carcinogen

> Benzo(a)pyrene (bread, coffee, pumpkin pie, rolls, tea)—mutagen and

> rodent carcinogen

> Benzofuran (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

> Benzyl acetate (jasmine tea)—rodent carcinogen

> Caffeic acid (apples, carrots, celery, cherry tomatoes, coffee, grapes,

> lettuce, mangos, pears, potatoes)—rodent carcinogen

> Catechol (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

> Coumarin (cinnamon in pies)—rodent carcinogen

> 1,2,5,6-dibenz(

> a)anthracene (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

> Estragole (apples, basil)—rodent carcinogen

> Ethyl alcohol (bread, red wine, rolls)—rodent and human carcinogen

> Ethyl acrylate (pineapple)—rodent carcinogen

> Ethyl benzene (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

> Ethyl carbamate (bread, rolls, red wine)—mutagen and rodent carcinogen

> Furan and furan derivatives (bread, onions, celery, mushrooms, sweet

> potatoes, rolls, cranberry sauce, coffee)—many are mutagens

> Furfural (bread, coffee, nuts, rolls, sweet potatoes)—furan derivative

> and rodent carcinogen

> Heterocyclic amines (roast beef, turkey)—mutagens and rodent carcinogens

> Hydrazines (mushrooms)—mutagens and rodent carcinogens

> Hydrogen peroxide (coffee, tomatoes)—mutagen and rodent carcinogen

> Hydroquinone (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

> d-limonene (black pepper, mangos)—rodent carcinogen

> 4-methylcatechol (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

> Methyl eugenol (basil, cinnamon and nutmeg in apple and pumpkin

> pies)—rodent carcinogen

> Psoralens (celery, parsley)—mutagens; rodent and human carcinogens

> Quercetin glycosides (apples, onions, tea, tomatoes)—mutagens and rodent

December 30, 2007

I hope you're not standing on the beach looking up with your mouth

open. It might not be God doing the dropping; but a seagull. And it

might not be manna! [ggg]

> .

>

> Re: My new " diet "

>

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> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20My%20new%20%22diet%22>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:46 pm (PST)

>

> It's called denial. I drink Dr pepper everyday (it's my coffee). I guess

> there is no perfect food, well besides pizza, so until God drops the

> manna

December 30, 2007

But higher levels of toxins are called medicines/supplements/minerals,

etc; and we have to be careful with them...

>

> Re: My new " diet "

>

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> Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@...

> <mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20My%20new%20%22diet%22>

> gumbo482001 <gumbo482001>

>

> Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:51 pm (PST)

>

> Crystal wrote:

> >

> > I don't believe it. I'll just keep enjoying my celery....

>

> Me too. The point is that small levels of toxins are not toxic.

>

> Chuck

December 30, 2007

You mean like belladonna and arsenic? LOL

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

Yeah; but these are all NATURAL poisons; so they've got to be good for

you! [ggg]

>

> Re: My new " diet "

>

> Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@...

>

> gumbo482001

>

> Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:12 pm (PST)

>

> Crystal,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > So please tell me about a known carcinogen in organic raw celery! I eat

> > lot's of it!

>

> The main bad actors in celery are the furans, psoralens, and caffeic

> acid. Here's a partial list of other things to lose sleep over. Bon

> Appétit! Notice how many of these are in coffee. That reminds me, I need

> to brew some more.

>

> - Chuck

>

> Naturally Occurring Mutagens and Carcinogens Found in Foods and Beverages

>

> Written By: the American Council on Science and Health

> Published In: Environment News

> Publication Date: November 1, 2002

> Publisher: The Heartland Institute

>

> Acetaldehyde (apples, bread, coffee, tomatoes)—mutagen and potent rodent

> carcinogen

> Acrylamide (bread, rolls)—rodent and human neurotoxin; rodent carcinogen

> Aflatoxin (nuts)—mutagen and potent rodent carcinogen; also a human

> carcinogen

> Allyl isothiocyanate (arugula, broccoli, mustard)—mutagen and rodent

> carcinogen

> Aniline (carrots)—rodent carcinogen

> Benzaldehyde (apples, coffee, tomatoes)—rodent carcinogen

> Benzene (butter, coffee, roast beef)—rodent carcinogen

> Benzo(a)pyrene (bread, coffee, pumpkin pie, rolls, tea)—mutagen and

> rodent carcinogen

> Benzofuran (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

> Benzyl acetate (jasmine tea)—rodent carcinogen

> Caffeic acid (apples, carrots, celery, cherry tomatoes, coffee, grapes,

> lettuce, mangos, pears, potatoes)—rodent carcinogen

> Catechol (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

> Coumarin (cinnamon in pies)—rodent carcinogen

> 1,2,5,6-dibenz(

> a)anthracene (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

> Estragole (apples, basil)—rodent carcinogen

> Ethyl alcohol (bread, red wine, rolls)—rodent and human carcinogen

> Ethyl acrylate (pineapple)—rodent carcinogen

> Ethyl benzene (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

> Ethyl carbamate (bread, rolls, red wine)—mutagen and rodent carcinogen

> Furan and furan derivatives (bread, onions, celery, mushrooms, sweet

> potatoes, rolls, cranberry sauce, coffee)—many are mutagens

> Furfural (bread, coffee, nuts, rolls, sweet potatoes)—furan derivative

> and rodent carcinogen

> Heterocyclic amines (roast beef, turkey)—mutagens and rodent carcinogens

> Hydrazines (mushrooms)—mutagens and rodent carcinogens

> Hydrogen peroxide (coffee, tomatoes)—mutagen and rodent carcinogen

> Hydroquinone (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

> d-limonene (black pepper, mangos)—rodent carcinogen

> 4-methylcatechol (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

> Methyl eugenol (basil, cinnamon and nutmeg in apple and pumpkin

> pies)—rodent carcinogen

> Psoralens (celery, parsley)—mutagens; rodent and human carcinogens

> Quercetin glycosides (apples, onions, tea, tomatoes)—mutagens and rodent

December 30, 2007

Roni Molin wrote:

>

> Interesting, but how do I know if my thyroid is altogether gone? Is it

> because I have

> been on medication so many years?

More like the size of your dose.

Chuck

December 30, 2007

I'm currently taking 2 grains.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni Molin wrote:

>

> Interesting, but how do I know if my thyroid is altogether gone? Is it

> because I have

> been on medication so many years?

More like the size of your dose.

Chuck

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December 31, 2007

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> I'm currently taking 2 grains.

That is at the lower range for full replace dose, equivalent to 120 mcg

of T4. You probably don't have much thyroid function left, if any.

Chuck

December 31, 2007

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> Spinach has about twice the amount of iron per serving as other

> iron-rich green vegetables.

The average measurement is 1.9 mg per 60 gram sample versus 1.0 mg or

less for the same sample of other leafy greens. Popeye's proclivity was

based on a faulty reading of 19 mg per 60 g from the 1880s.

> ...Because spinach has a high levels of oxalate, it can

> actually remove iron from the body....

Oxalate is the anion of oxalic acid, which I mentioned before. I think

this mostly means oxalate ions bind to iron in the digestive system to

prevent it from being absorbed. Phosphates and phytates do the same

thing, and all of them also prevent absorption of calcium by binding it.

These do have effects on iron and calcium in serum, if levels get too high.

Food with the highest oxalate content: chocolate! Six others to be

avoided with spinach if you have oxalate kidney stones (hyperoxaluria):

rhubarb, strawberries, wheat bran, nuts, beets, and tea.

Chuck

December 31, 2007

Chocolate!!!???? So is Chocolate bad to eat if you are prone to kidney stones?

What is this world coming to!

Blessings,

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> Spinach has about twice the amount of iron per serving as other

> iron-rich green vegetables.

The average measurement is 1.9 mg per 60 gram sample versus 1.0 mg or

less for the same sample of other leafy greens. Popeye's proclivity was

based on a faulty reading of 19 mg per 60 g from the 1880s.

> ...Because spinach has a high levels of oxalate, it can

> actually remove iron from the body....

Oxalate is the anion of oxalic acid, which I mentioned before. I think

this mostly means oxalate ions bind to iron in the digestive system to

prevent it from being absorbed. Phosphates and phytates do the same

thing, and all of them also prevent absorption of calcium by binding it.

These do have effects on iron and calcium in serum, if levels get too high.

Food with the highest oxalate content: chocolate! Six others to be

avoided with spinach if you have oxalate kidney stones (hyperoxaluria):

rhubarb, strawberries, wheat bran, nuts, beets, and tea.

Chuck

December 31, 2007

I would be taking more, if this Atrial fibrillation hadn't reared it's

ugly head. I have been trying to find a way to take this stuff

and not have my heart start to dance a jig. It seems that when

I take it with food, I'm ok.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> I'm currently taking 2 grains.

That is at the lower range for full replace dose, equivalent to 120 mcg

of T4. You probably don't have much thyroid function left, if any.

Chuck

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December 31, 2007

Now I'm going to take Crystal's position and choose not to believe it. Chocolate

Rules!!!!!

Roni

and Irwin <familyirwin@...> wrote:

Chocolate!!!???? So is Chocolate bad to eat if you are prone to kidney

stones?

What is this world coming to!

Blessings,

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> Spinach has about twice the amount of iron per serving as other

> iron-rich green vegetables.

The average measurement is 1.9 mg per 60 gram sample versus 1.0 mg or

less for the same sample of other leafy greens. Popeye's proclivity was

based on a faulty reading of 19 mg per 60 g from the 1880s.

> ...Because spinach has a high levels of oxalate, it can

> actually remove iron from the body....

Oxalate is the anion of oxalic acid, which I mentioned before. I think

this mostly means oxalate ions bind to iron in the digestive system to

prevent it from being absorbed. Phosphates and phytates do the same

thing, and all of them also prevent absorption of calcium by binding it.

These do have effects on iron and calcium in serum, if levels get too high.

Food with the highest oxalate content: chocolate! Six others to be

avoided with spinach if you have oxalate kidney stones (hyperoxaluria):

rhubarb, strawberries, wheat bran, nuts, beets, and tea.

Chuck

December 31, 2007

maybe you just need more time to adjust to the dose. I have found for some

people they need a longer adjustment time for each dose.

nancie

Re: My new " diet "

I would be taking more, if this Atrial fibrillation hadn't reared it's

ugly head. I have been trying to find a way to take this stuff

and not have my heart start to dance a jig. It seems that when

I take it with food, I'm ok.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...<mailto:gumboyaya@...>> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> I'm currently taking 2 grains.

That is at the lower range for full replace dose, equivalent to 120 mcg

of T4. You probably don't have much thyroid function left, if any.

Chuck

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December 31, 2007

and Irwin wrote:

>

> Chocolate!!!???? So is Chocolate bad to eat if you are prone to kidney

> stones?

> What is this world coming to!

Sorry to say, yes. Perhaps the pain is worth it!

Carob based " chocolate " is nearly as bad. There is no escape.

Chuck

December 31, 2007

I've been of Thyrolar for 50 years. The doctors have been decreasing my dose for

quite

a while now. I used to be on 4 grains and felt fine. It occurs to me now that

after my dose

was reduced back in 1996, I got sick and remained so for about 9 months. Then

I came

down with the fibro, which I've had ever since. I had the two episodes of Afib

which required me to be taken to ER, and then the doc lowered it again. I felt

so bad on 1-1/2 grains that

I started dividing my dosage on in the am and one in the evening. I have been

taking it

with or after food, and the afib seems to be doing better.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

maybe you just need more time to adjust to the dose. I have found for

some people they need a longer adjustment time for each dose.

nancie

Re: My new " diet "

I would be taking more, if this Atrial fibrillation hadn't reared it's

ugly head. I have been trying to find a way to take this stuff

and not have my heart start to dance a jig. It seems that when

I take it with food, I'm ok.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...<mailto:gumboyaya@...>> wrote:

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> I'm currently taking 2 grains.

That is at the lower range for full replace dose, equivalent to 120 mcg

of T4. You probably don't have much thyroid function left, if any.

Chuck

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December 31, 2007

Oh my God; I'm doomed! [ggg]

>

> Re: My new " diet "

>

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> Posted by: " and Irwin " familyirwin@...

>

<mailto:familyirwin@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20My%20new%20%22diet%22>

> fritzalseth <fritzalseth>

>

> Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:42 pm (PST)

>

> Chocolate!!!

> ???? So is Chocolate bad to eat if you are prone to kidney stones?

> What is this world coming to!

> Blessings,

>

> Chuck B <gumboyaya@... <mailto:gumboyaya%40cox.net>> wrote:

> Roni,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > Spinach has about twice the amount of iron per serving as other

> > iron-rich green vegetables.

>

> The average measurement is 1.9 mg per 60 gram sample versus 1.0 mg or

> less for the same sample of other leafy greens. Popeye's proclivity was

> based on a faulty reading of 19 mg per 60 g from the 1880s.

>

> > ...Because spinach has a high levels of oxalate, it can

> > actually remove iron from the body....

>

> Oxalate is the anion of oxalic acid, which I mentioned before. I think

> this mostly means oxalate ions bind to iron in the digestive system to

> prevent it from being absorbed. Phosphates and phytates do the same

> thing, and all of them also prevent absorption of calcium by binding it.

> These do have effects on iron and calcium in serum, if levels get too

> high.

>

> Food with the highest oxalate content: chocolate! Six others to be

> avoided with spinach if you have oxalate kidney stones (hyperoxaluria):

> rhubarb, strawberries, wheat bran, nuts, beets, and tea.

>

> Chuck

December 31, 2007

Roni,

It sounds like you kept getting worse whenever your dose was lowered.

Doesn't that sound like you are not getting enough? Just take it

slower and maybe the palps will not appear. Your fibro appeared after

they lowered your dose, right. HypoT and fibro go together, so to

speak. Have you gone to drlowe.com? Very extensive info on fibro there.

I have been increasing my dose of Armour for the last 2 1/2 weeks by

taking 1/2 grain more a day. I will be doing that for another 1/2

week and then I will make it a whole grain. I have not had any palps

doing it this way.

Venizia

> >

> > I'm currently taking 2 grains.

>

> That is at the lower range for full replace dose, equivalent to 120 mcg

> of T4. You probably don't have much thyroid function left, if any.

>

> Chuck

>

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December 31, 2007

Venezia, some of your posts are going to the bulk mail box instead of to the in

box. I have no idea why. This is happening with a few other people to, some on

different groups.

Roni

venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote:

Chuck,

Wasn't there a discussion at an early date about herbal tea not having

fluoride?

Venizia

- In hypothyroidism , Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

>

> Nancie Barnett wrote:

> >

> > all tea or just black teas?

>

> Fermented (black) tea is worse than green, but there is at least some

> fluoride in both. If your thyroid is gone and completely replaced by

> medication, it probably does not matter.

>

> Chuck

>

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December 31, 2007

I also think my problems are related to not enough thyroid. However, I have to

be really

careful, because the TSH is very low, and they said this could cause a heart

attack, as

well as the atrial fibrillation could cause a heart attack or a stroke.

The doctor had me down to 1-1/2 grains, and I'm back up to 2 grains divided

and so far

so good. The next increase will be 1/2 grain, but I want to give it time to

register what I

have now.

I put into another post that some of your messages are coming into my bulk

mail. I

'don't always check it, just delete the whole thing, so I don't know just how

much I

have missed. I don't know how you could check it out.