Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

January 17, 2008

Sam you are a silly, stubborn thing.... but plenty smart. Ur Smart enough

to know that we are each of us different in what our bodies need, and how

they should be treated, and Smart enough to know that you should temper

anything you say to newbies with those caveats.

You deliberately pretend that you miss my point, but I know you don't. The

facts are that what you do - how you dose - and what you dose with, is

dangerous for most people. And that's just the way it is.

Dusty

Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain

have Liposuction?

Ok, here goes...

Dusty said: " ...my concern if for those on the list

who could be seriously harmed by what helps you.

Whatever is said on lists of these kind can be used

to the detriment of the uninformed or the person who

is easily led. "

Sam said: " ...the people in this group are not mindless

sheep, and obviously can think for themselves. None of

us is holding a gun to anyone else's head and forcing

them to do exactly as I or anyone else says. "

I was under the impression that the point of uninformed people who

seek help from discussion groups, such as this one, was to become

informed. At one time I was among those seeking to become informed...

I learned to listen to my own body (as others should), listen to

symptoms (as others should), and give my body what it needed

according to the symptoms it had. That is advice I learned from

others who have gone before me, and there is absolutely nothing

dangerous about it. People have a habit of listening to all sides and

then taking what they need and going about their own way, and that's

just the way it is.

> >

> > Sam, if its' me, my concern if for those on the list who could be

> seriously

> > harmed by what helps you. Whatever is said on lists of these kind

> can be

> > used to the detriment of the uninformed or the person who is

easily

> led.

> > You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it should be

> tempered with

> > cautions about seeing the right doc for supervision, what works

for

> me may

> > not work for you, yada, yada.

> >

> > You have said in past posts that your dosing and the variation of

> drugs you

> > use for thyroid and adrenals was determined by you - i.e. - you

> took your

> > care out of the hands of docs and began treating yourself. Now

you

> say you

> > have two docs. Those are two vastly different statements.

> >

> > Dusty

January 17, 2008

Um, actually, Dusty, dosing desiccated thyroid and bioidentical sex

hormones acccording to symptoms specific to the issues necessitating

the use of each, is the safest way to go. There are also symptoms

specific to being overdosed, and those are the signs we are taking

too much.

Overdosing thyroid meds is quite dramatic and frightening, and there

is no mistaking them. Overdosing sex hormones is a little less

obvious, altho they are unmistakeable symptoms to the

individual...and that is why with them we should always start low and

go slow when we start to take them, if we do in fact need them.

Dosing desiccated thyroid only according to blood/serum lab values

rather than by symptoms can easily leave a patient symptomatic and

unhealthy. How do I know that? Apart from " old " old school

ideas/experience/teachings, from over the last 4 and a half years in

the thyroid groups online listening to hundreds and perhaps thousands

of people repeat the same basic experiences with treating to lab

values as opposed to treating to symptoms and vice versa.

In the end, everybody ends up doing, if they are able, what is best

for themselves.

Personally, I wish my symptoms would have stopped coming back at a

far lower dose of Armour. Way back when I was ordering my own, it

would have been way less expensive. But oh well, my body is happy at

11+ grains, and who am I to argue...

Sam

(thyroidless sinec 1990)

> > >

> > > Sam, if its' me, my concern if for those on the list who could

be

> > seriously

> > > harmed by what helps you. Whatever is said on lists of these

kind

> > can be

> > > used to the detriment of the uninformed or the person who is

> easily

> > led.

> > > You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it should be

> > tempered with

> > > cautions about seeing the right doc for supervision, what works

> for

> > me may

> > > not work for you, yada, yada.

> > >

> > > You have said in past posts that your dosing and the variation

of

> > drugs you

> > > use for thyroid and adrenals was determined by you - i.e. - you

> > took your

> > > care out of the hands of docs and began treating yourself. Now

> you

> > say you

> > > have two docs. Those are two vastly different statements.

> > >

> > > Dusty

>

January 17, 2008

no it's not at all. it's your belief system based on our medical culture.

Most of us are forced to go outside the system if we want real healthcare, not

disease maintenance.

Gracia

Sam you are a silly, stubborn thing.... but plenty smart. Ur Smart enough

to know that we are each of us different in what our bodies need, and how

they should be treated, and Smart enough to know that you should temper

anything you say to newbies with those caveats.

You deliberately pretend that you miss my point, but I know you don't. The

facts are that what you do - how you dose - and what you dose with, is

dangerous for most people. And that's just the way it is.

Dusty

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11:12 AM

January 17, 2008

nicki

Sam is not on lots of drugs (neither am I).

we are both on Armour, adrenal meds, sex hormones and Iodoral.

That's what works really.

look at Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD

Gracia

If what I am taking was making me

UNhealthy, they would not be prescribing it for me.

Sam,

I am not attacking you or your treatment, I just wanted to say that

when I was very hypo several years ago, I was going to a doctor who,

rather than looking at my thyroid issues, chose to put me on 8 mg of

xanax and a horde of different other drugs, i.e. trazadone, seroquel,

ambein, Cymbalta. I was under another doctor's care for severe lumbar

pain [i have a very bad curvature of the spine], and was on

hydrocodone and fentanol as well. Thanks to an intervening " Higher

Power " , I went to a Pain Management doctor who said I was on too many

meds and sent me to talk to a drug counselor that made me realize the

danger I was putting myself into by allowing these doctors to treat

me. I had to check into a hospital to get myself off of the drugs. In

one week, I had eliminated everything except my thyroid medication,

my blood pressure medicine, and Cymbalta. Looking back, it is a

wonder I am still alive.

My point is, please, please make sure you are not harming youself by

way of your treatment. I thought at the time that I needed all those

drugs to make me okay. But I was very wrong!!!

Blessings,

Nicki

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January 17, 2008

I do not have a thyroid gland. Over a 3 year span of time I slowly

dosed my desiccated thyroid med up 30mg at a time whenever my hypO

symptoms returned. My hypO symptoms stopped returning at 11+ grains

and I have been on that dose for over a year. I have absolutely NO

hypO or hypEr symptoms, and am quite healthy, active, and energetic.

My adrenals were treated after testing. 20mg Cortef (5mg 4 times a

day) but I needed to switch to something more powerful and used

prednisoLone at 7.5mg once a day for approx 2 years with no side

effects.

I have no ovaries or uterus. I slowly dosed up from a very tiny

amount of bioidentical estradiol gel to a maximum of 2.5mg estradiol.

I slowly added bioidentical progesterone cream starting at a very

tiny dose and increasing as I had symptoms. I ended up on 20mg

progesterone and over time lowered it slowly to 40mg and at this

point in time am not taking any. I am also down to .60mg estradiol.

My initial tiny dose of bioidentical testosterone gel was increased

very slowly to what I am taking which is 2mg testosterone, .5mg les

than the maximum female dose.

I have low aldosterone and am taking 1/4 tab of generic florinef

along with lot of water and 1/2 to 1 tsp celtic sea salt twice a day.

I am taking 4 grams of vitamin C, and 25mg Iodoral twice a day.

I take 3-5 epsom salts and hydrogen peroxide added hot baths per week

to replenish my low magnesium.

Before adding all these things to my life, I was taking synthroid, I

was severely hypO, crippled, bald, grossly obese, had massive bone

loss, and lost most of my beautiful teeth. I was very ill, very sick,

had no quality of life, and in order to do anything I needed to be

drugged up with pain meds and caffiene. I needed a cane to walk, I

was a recluse, I looked and felt like total hell. Many of my organs

were starting to fail and I was dying.

WHAT I AM DOING IS WORKING GREAT FOR ME! I AM NOT DYING, I AM NOT

ENDANGERING MY HEALTH, AND I AM IN EXCELLENT HEALTH! I ALMOST DIED

UNDER " TYPICAL " MEDICAL CARE! AND I FLATLY REFUSE TO BE TREATED LIKE

THAT EVER AGAIN!

If any of you want to see a foto of me hypO and unhealthy on syntroid

and healthy and gorgeous on Armour just email me private at:

k9gang at openacces.org

Am I the only person in this group that is symptom free and healthy,

other than Gracia?

> >

> > Why should I 'not' get my dander up? It's been inferred by some

of

> > y'all that I don't know what I am doing, I am stupidly

> > damaging/killing myself, and that I'm more or less similar to a

> drug

> > addict/dealer/pusher, even tho I am HEALTHY!

> >

> > Do you have any idea how hard I had to FIGHT to get my health

back?

> > Do you realize I almost died because of the 'care' I was being

> given

> > before I got on Armour Thyroid?

> >

> > At this point in time I am under the care of 2 medical

> professionals

> > who prescribe my meds in the exact dosages I am healthy on. Yes,

> > that's right, I get prescriptions for 11+ grains of Armour and

BHRT

> > and my health coverage pays for it. If what I am taking was

making

> me

> > UNhealthy, they would not be prescribing it for me.

> >

> > And no, 67 is not too old to get a spanking.

> >

> > Sam

> > ps - consider having you magnesium/potassium/sodium checked,

along

> > with aldosterone/renin, and please note the side effects listed

in

> > the product insert for the T4 drug you are taking.

> >

>

January 17, 2008

Correction, I ended up on 200mg progesterone, not 20, and then

lowered it slowly to 40mg and now on none, for the time being.

Correction, my email addy is k9gang at openaccess.org

not openacces.org

January 18, 2008

Ummm see Sam, stubborn - just like I said.

Just as you assume that everyone would do well on your protocl, you

are also assuming that everyone would react to an overdose of thyroid

hormones in a " dramatic and frightening " way. As mentioned a ghazillion

times on this list, that just isn't so because we are all different and

therefore react (or don't react) differently. An excellent case in point

is the cardiac problems incurred by folks whose OD is just enough to cause

this as

a slow, insidious process and not an overt dramatic " attack " of some heart

problem.

As to your conviction that your listening to hundreds/thousands of people

who share your

experience - the numbers and studies supporting other than what you say far

outweigh this.

So, what else can I say?

BTW you didn't comment on my neighbors who used bioidenticals for menopause

and both got breast cancer. In addition to them, I can't tell you how many

women of my group (I'm a 59 year old baby boomer who has lots of peers in

the menopause range) had terrible effects from bio's and chose to stop

altogether rather than go through the side effects they were experiencing.

So, we really are all different, you see?

I'm happy you feel well now. I hope you continue to do so.

Dusty

P>S> I hope you sued the pants off the docs who performed the hysterctomy.