Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

January 12, 2008

Very interesting. Some of the comments on this list do sound very similar

to those of folks I have known who use street drugs and encourage others to

do so because they will feel wonderful, young, full of energy and capable of

any task.

BUT,too much of a good thing does eventually burn one out. I hope that

won't be so for those who self dose.

Dusty

Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

>

> A point I've tried to make here repeatedly; it always seems to fall upon

> deaf ears.

>

> Have you ever read about Freud and opium?

>

> >

> > Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

> > <http://groups.

> <http://groups.

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> > Posted by: " Dusty " dustybrookehurst (DOT)

> <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net> net

> > <mailto:dustybrookehurst (DOT) <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>

>

net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Anyone%20with%20weight%20gain%20have%20Liposuction%3F

> >

> > mslatrobe <http://profiles. <http://profiles.

<mslatrobe> /mslatrobe

> <http://profiles. <mslatrobe>

/mslatrobe>>

> /mslatrobe>

> >

> > Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:36 am (PST)

> >

> > Cocaine/heroin and the likes make folks feel good, but it isn't

> > necessarily

> > the right way to medicate whatever ails us.

January 14, 2008

So if I have absolutely no symptoms of being hypEr or hypO, have no

symptoms of menopause, feel and look healthy, and am not suffering

from any sort of overdose effect I'm going to eventually burn out

because I'm replacing with bioidenticals? I suppose the same would

have to be said for someone who still possesses their thyroid

ovaries/uterus in the same good health with the same amount of

hormones in them naturally then, eh?

Sam :-\

>

> Very interesting. Some of the comments on this list do sound very

similar

> to those of folks I have known who use street drugs and encourage

others to

> do so because they will feel wonderful, young, full of energy and

capable of

> any task.

>

> BUT,too much of a good thing does eventually burn one out. I hope

that

> won't be so for those who self dose.

>

> Dusty

>

> Re: Anyone with weight gain have

Liposuction?

> >

> > A point I've tried to make here repeatedly; it always seems to

fall upon

> > deaf ears.

> >

> > Have you ever read about Freud and opium?

> >

> > >

> > > Re: Anyone with weight gain have Liposuction?

> > > <http://groups.

> > <http://groups.

>

<hypothyroidism/message/34695;_ylc=X3oDM

TJxazV

> > /group/hypothyroidism/message/34695;_ylc=X3oDMTJxazV

> > <http://groups.

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> > 2OTUEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTk5MzA5NA-->

> >

>

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> > >

> > > Posted by: " Dusty " dustybrookehurst (DOT)

> > <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net> net

> > > <mailto:dustybrookehurst (DOT) <mailto:dusty%40brookehurst.net>

> >

> net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Anyone%20with%20weight%20gain%20have%

20Liposuction%3F

> > >

> > > mslatrobe <http://profiles. <http://profiles.

> <mslatrobe> /mslatrobe

> > <http://profiles. <mslatrobe>

> /mslatrobe>>

> > /mslatrobe>

> > >

> > > Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:36 am (PST)

> > >

> > > Cocaine/heroin and the likes make folks feel good, but it isn't

> > > necessarily

> > > the right way to medicate whatever ails us.

>

January 15, 2008

Don't you take 7 grains [or is it 11] of Armour? And several times the

recommended daily dosage of iodine? If so, do you think your body's

levels of hormones are the same as levels as those of a person with no

medical problems?

And given that some of us are not convinced [as are you and Gracia] that

what you're doing is safe can't you understand why some of us would be

concerned about your health??? Right or wrong, our concern is genuine.

>

> Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain have

> Liposuction?

>

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>

> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

>

<mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Freud%20and%20Cocaine%20Was%3A%\

20Anyone%20with%20weight%20gain%20have%20Liposuction%3F>

> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

> Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:34 pm (PST)

>

> So if I have absolutely no symptoms of being hypEr or hypO, have no

> symptoms of menopause, feel and look healthy, and am not suffering

> from any sort of overdose effect I'm going to eventually burn out

> because I'm replacing with bioidenticals? I suppose the same would

> have to be said for someone who still possesses their thyroid

> ovaries/uterus in the same good health with the same amount of

> hormones in them naturally then, eh?

>

> Sam :-\

>

> >

> > Very interesting. Some of the comments on this list do sound very

> similar

> > to those of folks I have known who use street drugs and encourage

> others to

> > do so because they will feel wonderful, young, full of energy and

> capable of

> > any task.

> >

> > BUT,too much of a good thing does eventually burn one out. I hope

> that

> > won't be so for those who self dose.

> >

> > Dusty

January 15, 2008

11+ grains of Armour and a healing dose of iodine/iodide - remember I

have DNA, receptor, and NIS et al damage from RAI that needs to heal

and all that.

Obviously my levels of hormones are that which my body needs to

function properly and in a healthy way. , I am giving my body

back that which it lost. If I was doing it wrong, I would be

symptomatic and have health issues because of it. I promise, it's ok

that I'm healthy...I wish you were as healthy as I am.

It seems as tho you all would be quite happy to see me lower my

dosages of a what I am taking so it will make YOU ALL feel better,

however I would become quite ill. Sorry, darlin', but there is no way

in h*ll I will go against taking what my body apparently needs. As my

wonderful and awesome naturopath has said over and over It doesn't

matter what amount anyone takes, it matters that they do well on it.

Do you know what it feels like to take too much thyroid hormones?

It feels TERRIBLE. Imagine " thyroid storm " , or a heart rate over

160bpm and going wild, or shaking so bad you can't walk straight, or

having diarrhea, etc. You'd be sort of nutso if you thought I'd

actually do " that " to myself. (:-o

Sam

> > >

> > > Very interesting. Some of the comments on this list do sound

very

> > similar

> > > to those of folks I have known who use street drugs and

encourage

> > others to

> > > do so because they will feel wonderful, young, full of energy

and

> > capable of

> > > any task.

> > >

> > > BUT,too much of a good thing does eventually burn one out. I

hope

> > that

> > > won't be so for those who self dose.

> > >

> > > Dusty

>

January 16, 2008

Hi, Sam. Don't get your dander up; no one's trying to tell you what to

do! Like it would have any effect anyway [ggg]. I'm a little old for

you to be spanking [just turned 67] {GGG}. But you're taking a lot more

Armour [i think] than the maximum recommended by the manufacturer [isn't

that right???] so it's natural for us to be concerned about an over

dose. It's my understanding that some of the damage [such as to your

heart] from taking too much can cause irreversible damage before you

have any symptoms.

I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate of 160

would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium blocker

does a good job in controlling it.

I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health; but

what you do sometimes is scary.

>

> Re: Freud and Cocaine Was: Anyone with weight gain have

> Liposuction?

>

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

>

<mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Freud%20and%20Cocaine%20Was%3A%\

20Anyone%20with%20weight%20gain%20have%20Liposuction%3F>

> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

> Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:37 pm (PST)

>

> 11+ grains of Armour and a healing dose of iodine/iodide - remember I

> have DNA, receptor, and NIS et al damage from RAI that needs to heal

> and all that.

>

> Obviously my levels of hormones are that which my body needs to

> function properly and in a healthy way. , I am giving my body

> back that which it lost. If I was doing it wrong, I would be

> symptomatic and have health issues because of it. I promise, it's ok

> that I'm healthy...I wish you were as healthy as I am.

>

> It seems as tho you all would be quite happy to see me lower my

> dosages of a what I am taking so it will make YOU ALL feel better,

> however I would become quite ill. Sorry, darlin', but there is no way

> in h*ll I will go against taking what my body apparently needs. As my

> wonderful and awesome naturopath has said over and over It doesn't

> matter what amount anyone takes, it matters that they do well on it.

>

> Do you know what it feels like to take too much thyroid hormones?

> It feels TERRIBLE. Imagine " thyroid storm " , or a heart rate over

> 160bpm and going wild, or shaking so bad you can't walk straight, or

> having diarrhea, etc. You'd be sort of nutso if you thought I'd

> actually do " that " to myself. (:-o

>

> Sam

>

> >

> > Don't you take 7 grains [or is it 11] of Armour? And several times

> the

> > recommended daily dosage of iodine? If so, do you think your

> body's

> > levels of hormones are the same as levels as those of a person with

> no

> > medical problems?

> >

> > And given that some of us are not convinced [as are you and Gracia]

> that

> > what you're doing is safe can't you understand why some of us would

> be

> > concerned about your health??? Right or wrong, our concern is

> genuine.

> >

> > >

> > > Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:34 pm (PST)

> > >

> > > So if I have absolutely no symptoms of being hypEr or hypO, have

> no

> > > symptoms of menopause, feel and look healthy, and am not suffering

> > > from any sort of overdose effect I'm going to eventually burn out

> > > because I'm replacing with bioidenticals? I suppose the same would

> > > have to be said for someone who still possesses their thyroid

> > > ovaries/uterus in the same good health with the same amount of

> > > hormones in them naturally then, eh?

> > >

> > > Sam :-\

January 16, 2008

Why should I 'not' get my dander up? It's been inferred by some of

y'all that I don't know what I am doing, I am stupidly

damaging/killing myself, and that I'm more or less similar to a drug

addict/dealer/pusher, even tho I am HEALTHY!

Do you have any idea how hard I had to FIGHT to get my health back?

Do you realize I almost died because of the 'care' I was being given

before I got on Armour Thyroid?

At this point in time I am under the care of 2 medical professionals

who prescribe my meds in the exact dosages I am healthy on. Yes,

that's right, I get prescriptions for 11+ grains of Armour and BHRT

and my health coverage pays for it. If what I am taking was making me

UNhealthy, they would not be prescribing it for me.

And no, 67 is not too old to get a spanking.

Sam

ps - consider having you magnesium/potassium/sodium checked, along

with aldosterone/renin, and please note the side effects listed in

the product insert for the T4 drug you are taking.

>

> Hi, Sam. Don't get your dander up; no one's trying to tell you

what to

> do! Like it would have any effect anyway [ggg]. I'm a little

old for

> you to be spanking [just turned 67] {GGG}. But you're taking a lot

more

> Armour [i think] than the maximum recommended by the manufacturer

[isn't

> that right???] so it's natural for us to be concerned about an over

> dose. It's my understanding that some of the damage [such as to

your

> heart] from taking too much can cause irreversible damage before

you

> have any symptoms.

>

> I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

> arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate of

160

> would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium

blocker

> does a good job in controlling it.

>

> I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health;

but

> what you do sometimes is scary.

>

January 16, 2008

I'm glad you are healthy. Why do you have to be upset when someone cares

and is trying to look out for your welfare. I would consider myself lucky when

people look out for me. You, yourself have given me some advice. Is that

because

you are pushing your favorite products, or because you genuinely care?

As an extra added attraction, I am going to be an Armour girl from now on,

because

this new insurance company won't pay for the Thyrolar, but will pay for the

Armour.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

Why should I 'not' get my dander up? It's been inferred by some of

y'all that I don't know what I am doing, I am stupidly

damaging/killing myself, and that I'm more or less similar to a drug

addict/dealer/pusher, even tho I am HEALTHY!

Do you have any idea how hard I had to FIGHT to get my health back?

Do you realize I almost died because of the 'care' I was being given

before I got on Armour Thyroid?

At this point in time I am under the care of 2 medical professionals

who prescribe my meds in the exact dosages I am healthy on. Yes,

that's right, I get prescriptions for 11+ grains of Armour and BHRT

and my health coverage pays for it. If what I am taking was making me

UNhealthy, they would not be prescribing it for me.

And no, 67 is not too old to get a spanking.

Sam

ps - consider having you magnesium/potassium/sodium checked, along

with aldosterone/renin, and please note the side effects listed in

the product insert for the T4 drug you are taking.

>

> Hi, Sam. Don't get your dander up; no one's trying to tell you

what to

> do! Like it would have any effect anyway [ggg]. I'm a little

old for

> you to be spanking [just turned 67] {GGG}. But you're taking a lot

more

> Armour [i think] than the maximum recommended by the manufacturer

[isn't

> that right???] so it's natural for us to be concerned about an over

> dose. It's my understanding that some of the damage [such as to

your

> heart] from taking too much can cause irreversible damage before

you

> have any symptoms.

>

> I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

> arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate of

160

> would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium

blocker

> does a good job in controlling it.

>

> I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health;

but

> what you do sometimes is scary.

>

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January 16, 2008

It's because I get this pretty much all the time from the same sorts

of people, except by those that have been thru the same wringer I've

been thru, and are healthy as I am now by using the same methods.

I started the Thyroidless group for that and other reasons.

I learned so much in my fight to get healthy and even tho most of it

goes against current ideas in medicine, what I've learned used to be

the standard of care back when people were being cured rather than

treated as they are these days.

A few people helped in my education process and because of that I did

not die. So rather than see others spin their wheels in an effort to

return to health, I pass along what I've learned in hopes that it

might help them. And at some point others that I've helped may

likewise help others, and so on. And maybe, just maybe, at some point

in the distant future, modern medicine will get back to actually

helping people get healthy.

Sam

> >

> > Hi, Sam. Don't get your dander up; no one's trying to tell you

> what to

> > do! Like it would have any effect anyway [ggg]. I'm a little

> old for

> > you to be spanking [just turned 67] {GGG}. But you're taking a

lot

> more

> > Armour [i think] than the maximum recommended by the manufacturer

> [isn't

> > that right???] so it's natural for us to be concerned about an

over

> > dose. It's my understanding that some of the damage [such as to

> your

> > heart] from taking too much can cause irreversible damage before

> you

> > have any symptoms.

> >

> > I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

> > arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate

of

> 160

> > would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium

> blocker

> > does a good job in controlling it.

> >

> > I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health;

> but

> > what you do sometimes is scary.

> >

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

January 16, 2008

Sam,

Not only have you been opening my eyes to alternative

ways to deal with and to understand my new diagnosis

of hypothyroidism, but you are helping to reaffirm my

belief in listening to one's body, experimenting with

new ideas, and freeing myself from totalitarian

constructions of reality. So, thank you.

--- Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

> It's because I get this pretty much all the time

> from the same sorts

> of people, except by those that have been thru the

> same wringer I've

> been thru, and are healthy as I am now by using the

> same methods.

> I started the Thyroidless group for that and other

> reasons.

>

> I learned so much in my fight to get healthy and

> even tho most of it

> goes against current ideas in medicine, what I've

> learned used to be

> the standard of care back when people were being

> cured rather than

> treated as they are these days.

>

> A few people helped in my education process and

> because of that I did

> not die. So rather than see others spin their wheels

> in an effort to

> return to health, I pass along what I've learned in

> hopes that it

> might help them. And at some point others that I've

> helped may

> likewise help others, and so on. And maybe, just

> maybe, at some point

> in the distant future, modern medicine will get back

> to actually

> helping people get healthy.

>

> Sam

>

> > >

> > > Hi, Sam. Don't get your dander up; no one's

> trying to tell you

> > what to

> > > do! Like it would have any effect anyway [ggg].

> I'm a little

> > old for

> > > you to be spanking [just turned 67] {GGG}. But

> you're taking a

> lot

> > more

> > > Armour [i think] than the maximum recommended by

> the manufacturer

> > [isn't

> > > that right???] so it's natural for us to be

> concerned about an

> over

> > > dose. It's my understanding that some of the

> damage [such as to

> > your

> > > heart] from taking too much can cause

> irreversible damage before

> > you

> > > have any symptoms.

> > >

> > > I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like;

> no. But I've had

> > > arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember,

> and a heart rate

> of

> > 160

> > > would be low for some of my episodes.

> Fortunately my calcium

> > blocker

> > > does a good job in controlling it.

> > >

> > > I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best

> for your health;

> > but

> > > what you do sometimes is scary.

> > >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all

> with Mobile.

> Try it now.

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

January 16, 2008

I don't think anyone gets upset when you advocate super high doses of Armour

when

someone is thyroidless like you, but when someone still has their thyroid, it

might

not be appropriate, and I think people have to leave room for differences.

I listen to you and your experiences, and I'm glad that you found what works

for you.

My experiences are a bit different, and I have to find what works for me at

this time.

I take a little from her and a little from there to fit what will work for me.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

It's because I get this pretty much all the time from the same sorts

of people, except by those that have been thru the same wringer I've

been thru, and are healthy as I am now by using the same methods.

I started the Thyroidless group for that and other reasons.

I learned so much in my fight to get healthy and even tho most of it

goes against current ideas in medicine, what I've learned used to be

the standard of care back when people were being cured rather than

treated as they are these days.

A few people helped in my education process and because of that I did

not die. So rather than see others spin their wheels in an effort to

return to health, I pass along what I've learned in hopes that it

might help them. And at some point others that I've helped may

likewise help others, and so on. And maybe, just maybe, at some point

in the distant future, modern medicine will get back to actually

helping people get healthy.

Sam

> >

> > Hi, Sam. Don't get your dander up; no one's trying to tell you

> what to

> > do! Like it would have any effect anyway [ggg]. I'm a little

> old for

> > you to be spanking [just turned 67] {GGG}. But you're taking a

lot

> more

> > Armour [i think] than the maximum recommended by the manufacturer

> [isn't

> > that right???] so it's natural for us to be concerned about an

over

> > dose. It's my understanding that some of the damage [such as to

> your

> > heart] from taking too much can cause irreversible damage before

> you

> > have any symptoms.

> >

> > I don't know what hyperthyroidism feels like; no. But I've had

> > arrhythmia for about as long as I can remember, and a heart rate

of

> 160

> > would be low for some of my episodes. Fortunately my calcium

> blocker

> > does a good job in controlling it.

> >

> > I'm sure we all want you to do whatever is best for your health;

> but

> > what you do sometimes is scary.

> >

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

January 16, 2008

I don't advocate taking high doses of Armour, I personally feel, due

to my own and others' experiences, dosing Armour by symptoms (rather

than only by test results) is a far more safer and more effective way

to go about it. And that seems to be the more successful way for

those without or with their thyroid glands.

My full replacement dose of 11+ grains might be toxic for someone

else, and someone else's perfect dose of 3 grains would only be

enough to keep me comatose. Individually speaking, we may all have

the same types of hormones, but our hormonal " needs " are as alike as

any 2 snow flakes are. Basically, our hormonal needs are different

and that is why dosing to one's own symptoms will get that individual

to their own unique requirement. You know what I'm saying? Listen to

your body and it will tell you what it needs...that's what I'm

saying.

Sam

>

> I don't think anyone gets upset when you advocate super high doses

of Armour when

> someone is thyroidless like you, but when someone still has their

thyroid, it might

> not be appropriate, and I think people have to leave room for

differences.

>

> I listen to you and your experiences, and I'm glad that you found

what works for you.

> My experiences are a bit different, and I have to find what works

for me at this time.

> I take a little from her and a little from there to fit what will

work for me.

>

January 16, 2008

I completely agree with you.