Re: New here.........please help!

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> I have high tsh hormone; 7.17 is what I was told. Can't take meds

> because my heart rate goes low and I have chest pains, headache and

> shortness of breath. I was told the med wasn't causing these side

> effects. I've tried to take this medication twice. It's the one that

> starts with an L........not synthroid....

I assume you mean levothyroxine sodium, which is the generic for

Synthroid. That should contain similar excipients, binders, and

colorings as the original. It may also contain sulfites, as some of the

Synthroid pills do. Many people DO react to these extra ingredients with

exactly your symptoms.

Before you have a catheterization procedure, insist that you try a

different medication or different sized pills, e.g. two 50s or four 25s

for a 100 mcg. If that doesn't work try a completely different medicine,

such as Armour. If your doctor won't try those simple substitutions

before ordering catheterization, get a second opinion, perhaps permanently.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Most of us would say to just skip the different doses and go straight

to armour. most of us hated synthroid.

Crystal

> > I have high tsh hormone; 7.17 is what I was told. Can't take meds

> > because my heart rate goes low and I have chest pains, headache and

> > shortness of breath. I was told the med wasn't causing these side

> > effects. I've tried to take this medication twice. It's the one that

> > starts with an L........not synthroid....

>

> I assume you mean levothyroxine sodium, which is the generic for

> Synthroid. That should contain similar excipients, binders, and

> colorings as the original. It may also contain sulfites, as some of the

> Synthroid pills do. Many people DO react to these extra ingredients

with

> exactly your symptoms.

>

> Before you have a catheterization procedure, insist that you try a

> different medication or different sized pills, e.g. two 50s or four 25s

> for a 100 mcg. If that doesn't work try a completely different

medicine,

> such as Armour. If your doctor won't try those simple substitutions

> before ordering catheterization, get a second opinion, perhaps

permanently.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Crystal,

You wrote:

>

> .... most of us hated synthroid.

Most of you simply never got a decent dose.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

125 was a decent dose. tok it for at least a year.

> >

> > .... most of us hated synthroid.

>

> Most of you simply never got a decent dose.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Crystal,

You wrote:

>

> 125 was a decent dose. tok it for at least a year.

Not if you still had hypoT symptoms. Women typically require about

double (per unit body weight) what men require. My sister, niece, and

mother have all required 200 mcg. None of them are overweight. That

suggests to me that 125 mcg was probably not sufficient for you.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Maybe it wasn't enough, but I feel better on only 2and a half grains

of armour than i did on syncrap. unfortunately i cannot use the

excuse that my doc said my numbers were okay...i didn't know then what

i do now. i really wish you and james would try armour for 6 months!

> >

> > 125 was a decent dose. tok it for at least a year.

>

> Not if you still had hypoT symptoms. Women typically require about

> double (per unit body weight) what men require. My sister, niece, and

> mother have all required 200 mcg. None of them are overweight. That

> suggests to me that 125 mcg was probably not sufficient for you.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

I don't have a problem with Armour; it's just that Synthroid seems to

work fine for me so I've never really considered switching. I wouldn't

hesitate to switch if I were having the problems some here report.

Given that some people do have some kind of problem with T3 and that

Armour [i think] has T3 while Synthroid does not there may well be a

group of people for whom it should be the prescribed medication.

But I think it's misleading to newbies to say that we all hate

Synthroid, because we don't. And unless I'm mistaken Synthroid is used

by vastly greater numbers than Armour; however, I'll admit I have no

hard numbers. This list is not representative of those with

hypothyroidism IMHO. I think I read somewhere that Synthroid is one of

the most prescribed medications of all???

>

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>

>

> Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:55 pm (PST)

>

> Maybe it wasn't enough, but I feel better on only 2and a half grains

> of armour than i did on syncrap. unfortunately i cannot use the

> excuse that my doc said my numbers were okay...i didn't know then what

> i do now. i really wish you and james would try armour for 6 months!

>

>

> > >

> > > 125 was a decent dose. tok it for at least a year.

> >

> > Not if you still had hypoT symptoms. Women typically require about

> > double (per unit body weight) what men require. My sister, niece, and

> > mother have all required 200 mcg. None of them are overweight. That

> > suggests to me that 125 mcg was probably not sufficient for you.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I don't think anyone ever said that we ALL hate Synthroid. We, as individuals,

have been

just relaying our experience with it and what we would do if we were them.

Everyone can

and should make up their own mind and take all their other health issues into

account.

Venizia

> > > >

> > > > 125 was a decent dose. tok it for at least a year.

> > >

> > > Not if you still had hypoT symptoms. Women typically require about

> > > double (per unit body weight) what men require. My sister, niece, and

> > > mother have all required 200 mcg. None of them are overweight. That

> > > suggests to me that 125 mcg was probably not sufficient for you.

> > >

> > > Chuck

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

in my real life I have not encountered one well person on $inthroid! They ALL

and I mean ALL have mood/attitude probs and some have weight probs. maybe they

are just undertreated.

you guys seem to tolerate it better.

I think $inthroid is the second or third most common med prescribed.

Gracia

I don't have a problem with Armour; it's just that Synthroid seems to

work fine for me so I've never really considered switching. I wouldn't

hesitate to switch if I were having the problems some here report.

Given that some people do have some kind of problem with T3 and that

Armour [i think] has T3 while Synthroid does not there may well be a

group of people for whom it should be the prescribed medication.

But I think it's misleading to newbies to say that we all hate

Synthroid, because we don't. And unless I'm mistaken Synthroid is used

by vastly greater numbers than Armour; however, I'll admit I have no

hard numbers. This list is not representative of those with

hypothyroidism IMHO. I think I read somewhere that Synthroid is one of

the most prescribed medications of all???

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I agree Venizia-

:-)

In a message dated 7/30/07 2:03:45 PM, nelsonck@... writes:

> ,

>

> I don't think anyone ever said that we ALL hate Synthroid. We, as

> individuals, have been

> just relaying our experience with it and what we would do if we were them.

> Everyone can

> and should make up their own mind and take all their other health issues

> into account.

>

> Venizia

>

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sweetenloe1 wrote:

>

>

> Maybe it wasn't enough, but I feel better on only 2and a half grains

> of armour than i did on syncrap...

The equivalent dose to 2.5 grains of Armour is 250 mcg of T4, double

what you had been taking. How is that a remotely fair comparison? You

were grossly under dosed on Synthroid, and then you blame the medication

for causing the problems that stem from under dosing.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

, I don't think anyone has said that we all hate synthroid. I

usually say most of us here. Synthroid helped me when I first started

it, but after a while it stopped doing its job for me. If most people

knew about Armour, I bet they would use it. Didn't you say that you

have other medical problems? So maybe you should try it and tell us

if you see any difference!

> > > >

> > > > 125 was a decent dose. tok it for at least a year.

> > >

> > > Not if you still had hypoT symptoms. Women typically require about

> > > double (per unit body weight) what men require. My sister,

niece, and

> > > mother have all required 200 mcg. None of them are overweight. That

> > > suggests to me that 125 mcg was probably not sufficient for you.

> > >

> > > Chuck

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

well then explain why i got heart palps and hair loss while on it?

Not to mention tests scores that showed me hyper.

> >

> >

> > Maybe it wasn't enough, but I feel better on only 2and a half grains

> > of armour than i did on syncrap...

>

> The equivalent dose to 2.5 grains of Armour is 250 mcg of T4, double

> what you had been taking. How is that a remotely fair comparison? You

> were grossly under dosed on Synthroid, and then you blame the

medication

> for causing the problems that stem from under dosing.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, that is what sweetenloe1 said.

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>

>

> Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:02 am (PST)

>

> ,

>

> I don't think anyone ever said that we ALL hate Synthroid. We, as

> individuals, have been

> just relaying our experience with it and what we would do if we were

> them. Everyone can

> and should make up their own mind and take all their other health

> issues into account.

>

> Venizia

>

>

> >

> > I don't have a problem with Armour; it's just that Synthroid seems to

> > work fine for me so I've never really considered switching. I wouldn't

> > hesitate to switch if I were having the problems some here report.

> > Given that some people do have some kind of problem with T3 and that

> > Armour [i think] has T3 while Synthroid does not there may well be a

> > group of people for whom it should be the prescribed medication.

> >

> > But I think it's misleading to newbies to say that we all hate

> > Synthroid, because we don't. And unless I'm mistaken Synthroid is used

> > by vastly greater numbers than Armour; however, I'll admit I have no

> > hard numbers. This list is not representative of those with

> > hypothyroidism IMHO. I think I read somewhere that Synthroid is one of

> > the most prescribed medications of all???

> >

> >

> >

> > >

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> > > Posted by: " sweetenloe1 " sweetnwright@...

[Guest guest]

Those may be symptoms for some people, but they were not for me.

After I reduced my synthroid, they went away. My doc at that time

tested my T3 and 4's My hair loss has stopped since Armour.

> >

> >

> > well then explain why i got heart palps and hair loss while on it?

> > Not to mention tests scores that showed me hyper.

>

> Those are both hypoT symptoms. Which test scores?

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you,

Venizia

>

> I agree Venizia-

>

> :-)

>

> In a message dated 7/30/07 2:03:45 PM, nelsonck@... writes:

>

> > ,

> >

> > I don't think anyone ever said that we ALL hate Synthroid. We, as

> > individuals, have been

> > just relaying our experience with it and what we would do if we were them.

> > Everyone can

> > and should make up their own mind and take all their other health issues

> > into account.

> >

> > Venizia

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I also had hair loss, and could go down the list of hypoT symptoms and I had

just about all

of them. Yet, my test also said I was hyperT. I felt really bad and had hypoT

symptoms.

Now, on Armour, my TSH is showing I am a little hyperT, Ft4 is in the normal

range, could

be a little higher, almost all my symptoms are gone and I feel better than I

have in years. I

can't explain it, I just know how I am and how I was feeling. Maybe the

antibodies I have,

have something to do with it all.

Venizia

> > >

> > >

> > > Maybe it wasn't enough, but I feel better on only 2and a half grains

> > > of armour than i did on syncrap...

> >

> > The equivalent dose to 2.5 grains of Armour is 250 mcg of T4, double

> > what you had been taking. How is that a remotely fair comparison? You

> > were grossly under dosed on Synthroid, and then you blame the

> medication

> > for causing the problems that stem from under dosing.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

[Guest guest]

this doesn't compute. 150mg Armour just can't equal 250mcg T4. maybe on

paper but not in real life.

150mg Armour is still a low dose, whereas even 200mcg T4 seems like a lot.

Gracia

sweetenloe1 wrote:

>

>

> Maybe it wasn't enough, but I feel better on only 2and a half grains

> of armour than i did on syncrap...

The equivalent dose to 2.5 grains of Armour is 250 mcg of T4, double

what you had been taking. How is that a remotely fair comparison? You

were grossly under dosed on Synthroid, and then you blame the medication

for causing the problems that stem from under dosing.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

Actually, I misquoted you and have posted an apology. In case it didn't

get through here it is again. For some reason I remembered your post as

saying " all of us " when you said " most of us " .

Again, sorry...

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>

> Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:58 pm (PST)

>

> What did I say ?

>

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>

> Actually, that is what sweetenloe1 said.

>

>

[Guest guest]

sweetenloe1 wrote:

>

>

> Those may be symptoms for some people, but they were not for me.

> After I reduced my synthroid, they went away. My doc at that time

> tested my T3 and 4's My hair loss has stopped since Armour.

As I suspected, T4 and T3 do not really indicate hyperT. If you had a

FT4 or FT3 in the mix, it might have indicated a conversion problem,

which would be consistent with taking too much T4. However, you really

need a very low TSH or a very high FT3 to confirm hyperT.

You say your hair loss stopped with Armour, but that was at a dose

equivalent to double the dose of Synthroid. Did the palpitations

similarly stop when you switched to Armour, or was there a pause between

stopping the Synthroid and starting the Armour?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Gracia wrote:

>

> this doesn't compute. 150mg Armour just can't equal 250mcg T4....

It may not compute for you, but that is what the manufacturer tells the

pharmacists and doctors based on longitudinal testing. However, this is

based on producing the equivalent effect on TSH, i.e. 60 mg of Armour

will lower your TSH by the same amount as 100 mcg of T4.

Since Armour is also known to suppress TSH to produce the same level of

relief, the spike in T3 is evidently important in making the comparison.

Still the published conversion, based on TSH, is a starting point. It is

doubtful that Armour is only HALF as potent as it own manufacturer says

it is, with 20-30% much more plausible.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

There was no pause in between, but after my palps started, i decreased

my synthroid and the palps went away. that was in 2002. i just

started armour in may or april???. the point is, taking more t4 in

armour than synthroid hasn't given me the problems like the synth.

Are you trying to deny the fact that armour makes most of us feel much

much better than the synth.?

> >

> >

> > Those may be symptoms for some people, but they were not for me.

> > After I reduced my synthroid, they went away. My doc at that time

> > tested my T3 and 4's My hair loss has stopped since Armour.

>

> As I suspected, T4 and T3 do not really indicate hyperT. If you had a

> FT4 or FT3 in the mix, it might have indicated a conversion problem,

> which would be consistent with taking too much T4. However, you really

> need a very low TSH or a very high FT3 to confirm hyperT.

>

> You say your hair loss stopped with Armour, but that was at a dose

> equivalent to double the dose of Synthroid. Did the palpitations

> similarly stop when you switched to Armour, or was there a pause

between

> stopping the Synthroid and starting the Armour?

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Armour and synthroid aren't even the same things.

Armour is crunched up dried thyroid glands and synthroid is a

depilatory/BoneReducer/HeartScrewerUpperer/WeightGain drug.

Do they get synthetic T4 from Barbie Doll thyroids?

Nyuk nyuk nyuk :-D

But seriously, is there " any " dose of synthetic T4 that is actually

equivalent to natural porcine T4/T3/T2/T1 ?

Sam

(back from BF vacation)

> >

> > this doesn't compute. 150mg Armour just can't equal 250mcg T4....

>

> It may not compute for you, but that is what the manufacturer tells

the

> pharmacists and doctors based on longitudinal testing. However,

this is

> based on producing the equivalent effect on TSH, i.e. 60 mg of

Armour

> will lower your TSH by the same amount as 100 mcg of T4.

>

> Since Armour is also known to suppress TSH to produce the same

level of

> relief, the spike in T3 is evidently important in making the

comparison.

> Still the published conversion, based on TSH, is a starting point.

It is

> doubtful that Armour is only HALF as potent as it own manufacturer

says

> it is, with 20-30% much more plausible.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

sweetenloe1 wrote:

>

>

> There was no pause in between, but after my palps started, i decreased

> my synthroid and the palps went away. that was in 2002. i just

> started armour in may or april???....

Let's see if can reconstruct what you are saying correctly. In 2002 you

were taking 125 mcg of Synthroid but felt miserable with hypoT symptoms,

falling hair, and heart palpitations. You reduced the Synthroid dosage

even lower, and the palps cleared up, but your hair continued to fall

out for five years. Then in May or April of this year you switched to

Armour, at the equivalent of more than double the (reduced) dose of

Synthroid, at which time your hair stopped falling, and you began to

feel much better?

> ...the point is, taking more t4 in

> armour than synthroid hasn't given me the problems like the synth.

> Are you trying to deny the fact that armour makes most of us feel much

> much better than the synth.?

I'm not sure what you mean by " most of us " since there are so many doing

fine on Synthroid. I am sure some people have conversion problems on T4

only, and others have reactions to extra ingredients. However, many

people extolling the miracle powers of Armour don't seem to realize that

along with switching medications, they also greatly increased the

dosage. Thus, they falsely attribute their improvement to something

intrinsic to the medications, when it is really just the increased dose

that helped.

You may be one of these, but we really don't have enough details of your

history to tell.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

does Synthyroid really make you gain weight? I have put on about 45 lbs. in a

year and a half since i have been diagnosed and therefore prescribed

Synthroid100mcg. Wow! I thought i was gaining weight BECAUSE i was hypo!!!!!!!

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: Armour and synthroid aren't even the

same things.

Armour is crunched up dried thyroid glands and synthroid is a

depilatory/BoneReducer/HeartScrewerUpperer/WeightGain drug.

Do they get synthetic T4 from Barbie Doll thyroids?

Nyuk nyuk nyuk :-D

But seriously, is there " any " dose of synthetic T4 that is actually

equivalent to natural porcine T4/T3/T2/T1 ?

Sam

(back from BF vacation)

> >

> > this doesn't compute. 150mg Armour just can't equal 250mcg T4....

>

> It may not compute for you, but that is what the manufacturer tells

the

> pharmacists and doctors based on longitudinal testing. However,

this is

> based on producing the equivalent effect on TSH, i.e. 60 mg of

Armour

> will lower your TSH by the same amount as 100 mcg of T4.

>

> Since Armour is also known to suppress TSH to produce the same

level of

> relief, the spike in T3 is evidently important in making the

comparison.

> Still the published conversion, based on TSH, is a starting point.

It is

> doubtful that Armour is only HALF as potent as it own manufacturer

says

> it is, with 20-30% much more plausible.

>

> Chuck

>

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