Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 SIBO small intesting bacterial overgrowth Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac) I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not involved in IBS. If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas. The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also, transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in volume. Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO. Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms but not the infection itself. Duncan > Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT) co.za > Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT) > > If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You > should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people), > and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli, > brussel sprouts. > > Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers > are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida > grow. > > Keen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Thanks! Keen Re: SIBO SIBO small intesting bacterial overgrowth Re: Re: Cured (was Threelac) I'd be careful about Keen's wording below, as the stomach is not involved in IBS. If the 'stomach' seems swollen and painful, it's most likely the adjacent bowel that is affected; the 'transverse colon' as it's called can hold a LOT of gas and the positioning of the swelling is also correct to make it look like 'stomach' gas. The small intestine on the other hand has much smaller diameter and the positioning isn't something that would manifest as something like obviously 'swollen' even if it was the case. Also, transit time in the upper intestine is much faster than in the colon, so accumulation of gas is more transient and reduced in volume. Of course there can be exceptions, but the description seems more like dysbiosis, not SIBO at this point. Neveltheless, prolonged lower bowel dysbiosis can easily lead to SIBO, dysbiosis of the upper intestine, and in IBS there's a 96% probability you have dysbiosis as well, and it led to the SIBO. Prebiotics and pobiotics, along with reduced carb intake, is key to recovery, and reducing aggravating foods will reduce symptoms but not the infection itself. Duncan > Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenablesinvestec (DOT) co.za > Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 11:13 pm (PDT) > > If your stomach is swollen and painful, chances are you have IBS. You > should be avoiding animal fat, dairy, wheat, corn (for most people), > and take care with vegetables such as onion, cauliflower, brocolli, > brussel sprouts. > > Taking digestive enzymes and probiotics will help too. Pain killers > are likely to destroy your immune system and thereby help the candida > grow. > > Keen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Blake has tested positive for h. pylori all because he had diarrhea that would NOT go away. He tested positive for it when he had the Endoscopy at the beginning of March.....He has been on Sub-q for Severe Combined Immunodeficiency for 2 yrs(IVIG for 8 yrs. every 2 weeks before sub-q). Blake is still has a positive stool culture as of Friday for h.pylori. Blake had to go off his replacement enzymes for 2 weeks before the testing....boy did that reek havoc on him & his pancreas. But when the did his Colonoscopy it paid off th know he STILL needs the enzymes and that he is Lactase Deficient as well as Trypsin/trypsinogen deficient! h.pylori is NOTHING to play with..it has caused some mental anguish for Blakester & is soooo scared when his stomach starts hurting & the watery diarrhea sets in!!  , Mom to Blake 18 SCID with Complete T-Cell Dysfunction, Autism, SDS and Pancreatic Enzyme Inssufficiency " Children are like butterflies in the wind. Some fly higher than others, BUT each one flies the best they can!!!! " From: <stacy171@...> Subject: Re: SIBO Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 7:46 PM  Really? Everything I found on h.pylori said it was more likely to cause constipation and not related to diarrhea. It would explain why we saw good results with the cocktail, though. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Ursula Holleman <uahollem (DOT) com> groups (DOT) com Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 3:16:43 PM Subject: Re: SIBO  H Pylori can cause diarrhea. I've had it since 1995. I've done three sets of cocktails and I'm still positive on my CloTest during endoscopy. My first presenting symptom was diarrhea. Lomotil has been wonderful to keep it at bay though. Ursula Mom to (17) and Macey (14) http://www.caringbr idge.org/ visit/maceyholle man ____________ _________ _________ __ From: stacy171 <stacy171 (DOT) com> groups (DOT) com Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 2:36:14 PM Subject: SIBO Hi all, We still don't have a diagnosis, but our son's IgG, IGM and now IGA are low. He is 6yo and has chronic diarrhea. We recently did a stool culture that identified a parasite, cryptosporidium, and h. Pylori. We used an anerobic antibiotic to treat the parasite (Alinia) and then we did triple therapy (biaxin, amoxicillin and Prevacid) to treat the h.pylori. So, after all of the antibiotics were done, he now has formed poop. He's never had formed poop. We didn't see much after treating the parasite, so I don't think it was due to the Alinia. I think it was due to the biaxin and amoxicillin. But, h.pylori does not cause diarrhea. So now I'm wondering if we killed some other bacteria and maybe he has small intestine bowel overgrowth (SIBO). He's supposed to have a colonoscopy soon, but I'm wondering if we should rule this out first. Has anyone else had this diagnosed in their kid? Thanks for your help, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Blake has tested positive for h. pylori all because he had diarrhea that would NOT go away. He tested positive for it when he had the Endoscopy at the beginning of March.....He has been on Sub-q for Severe Combined Immunodeficiency for 2 yrs(IVIG for 8 yrs. every 2 weeks before sub-q). Blake is still has a positive stool culture as of Friday for h.pylori. Blake had to go off his replacement enzymes for 2 weeks before the testing....boy did that reek havoc on him & his pancreas. But when the did his Colonoscopy it paid off th know he STILL needs the enzymes and that he is Lactase Deficient as well as Trypsin/trypsinogen deficient! h.pylori is NOTHING to play with..it has caused some mental anguish for Blakester & is soooo scared when his stomach starts hurting & the watery diarrhea sets in!!  , Mom to Blake 18 SCID with Complete T-Cell Dysfunction, Autism, SDS and Pancreatic Enzyme Inssufficiency " Children are like butterflies in the wind. Some fly higher than others, BUT each one flies the best they can!!!! " From: <stacy171@...> Subject: Re: SIBO Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 7:46 PM  Really? Everything I found on h.pylori said it was more likely to cause constipation and not related to diarrhea. It would explain why we saw good results with the cocktail, though. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Ursula Holleman <uahollem (DOT) com> groups (DOT) com Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 3:16:43 PM Subject: Re: SIBO  H Pylori can cause diarrhea. I've had it since 1995. I've done three sets of cocktails and I'm still positive on my CloTest during endoscopy. My first presenting symptom was diarrhea. Lomotil has been wonderful to keep it at bay though. Ursula Mom to (17) and Macey (14) http://www.caringbr idge.org/ visit/maceyholle man ____________ _________ _________ __ From: stacy171 <stacy171 (DOT) com> groups (DOT) com Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 2:36:14 PM Subject: SIBO Hi all, We still don't have a diagnosis, but our son's IgG, IGM and now IGA are low. He is 6yo and has chronic diarrhea. We recently did a stool culture that identified a parasite, cryptosporidium, and h. Pylori. We used an anerobic antibiotic to treat the parasite (Alinia) and then we did triple therapy (biaxin, amoxicillin and Prevacid) to treat the h.pylori. So, after all of the antibiotics were done, he now has formed poop. He's never had formed poop. We didn't see much after treating the parasite, so I don't think it was due to the Alinia. I think it was due to the biaxin and amoxicillin. But, h.pylori does not cause diarrhea. So now I'm wondering if we killed some other bacteria and maybe he has small intestine bowel overgrowth (SIBO). He's supposed to have a colonoscopy soon, but I'm wondering if we should rule this out first. Has anyone else had this diagnosed in their kid? Thanks for your help, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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