Guest guest Posted March 30, 2000 Report Share Posted March 30, 2000 , I'm glad that you enjoy your 20 oz of raw vegetable juice but it has little bearing on the point I was making. In your terms, my point was that the principles of evolution would suggest that people still in their youth are more likely to be able to get full benefit from a 20 oz glass of juice than an older person, whose metabolism is not favored by natural selection. For example it is possible that the older person might need to drink 20 oz of juice to get the same benefit as the young person who drinks 15 oz. -gts Optimal Health > My investigation of daily consumption of at least 20 oz. of FRESH, RAW vegetable juice demonstrates differently. It is our dependence on cooked, processed, devitalized, demineralized and enzyme free " dead " solid foods that paints a less than ideal nutritional picture. > > " Less faith in mother nature as we grow older " as it applies to this discussion, means less faith in the ability of the body to obtain proper nutrition from natural food sources or on an unsupplemented paleodiet or on any diet of any kind. > ______________________________________________________________________ > Get Visto.com! Private groups, event calendars, email, and much more. > Visto.com. Life on the Dot. > Check it out @ http://www.visto.com/info > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2000 Report Share Posted March 30, 2000 What vegetable juices are you using? >From: " S Baskins " <bsbasknis@...> >Reply-longevityegroups >longevityegroups >Subject: Optimal Health >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:51:02 -0800 > > >My investigation of daily consumption of at least 20 oz. of FRESH, RAW >vegetable juice demonstrates differently. It is our dependence on cooked, >processed, devitalized, demineralized and enzyme free " dead " solid foods >that paints a less than ideal nutritional picture. > > " Less faith in mother nature as we grow older " as it applies to this >discussion, means less faith in the ability of the body to obtain proper >nutrition from natural food sources or on an unsupplemented paleodiet or on >any diet of any kind. >_ ______________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2000 Report Share Posted March 30, 2000 What vegetable juices are you using? >From: " S Baskins " <bsbasknis@...> >Reply-longevityegroups >longevityegroups >Subject: Optimal Health >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:51:02 -0800 > > >My investigation of daily consumption of at least 20 oz. of FRESH, RAW >vegetable juice demonstrates differently. It is our dependence on cooked, >processed, devitalized, demineralized and enzyme free " dead " solid foods >that paints a less than ideal nutritional picture. > > " Less faith in mother nature as we grow older " as it applies to this >discussion, means less faith in the ability of the body to obtain proper >nutrition from natural food sources or on an unsupplemented paleodiet or on >any diet of any kind. >_ ______________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2000 Report Share Posted March 30, 2000 I juice and drink about a variety of twenty different vegetables including root vegetables or tubers like carrot, beets, garlic, onions, radish, rutabaga, turnips, sweet potatoes, parsnips, also celery, parsley, spinach, red and green cabbage, cilantro, kale, asparagus, cucumbers and squash. I recently bought a " celery plant root " which tasted just like celery (duh!). I have experimented with brussel sprouts, broccoli and cauliflower but don't find them very productive of juice. You make the juice yourself at home using a juice extracting machine. I have and recommend the Omega 1000. It is a lot of fun and the energy and benefits you notice are unmistakable and rapid. I do take supplements but find that nothing is better than pure live foods, loaded with water, organic minerals, enzymes, amino acids, organic vitamins and all kinds of other things that man has not even discovered yet. The body needs nutrition, not synthesized drugs and supplements, in my experience, and giving it the unprocessed form is very gratifying. I am still new to this dietary practice, just started in January, and I still have the enthusiasm I had at the beginning. Try it! Optimal Health >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:51:02 -0800 > > >My investigation of daily consumption of at least 20 oz. of FRESH, RAW >vegetable juice demonstrates differently. It is our dependence on cooked, >processed, devitalized, demineralized and enzyme free " dead " solid foods >that paints a less than ideal nutritional picture. > > " Less faith in mother nature as we grow older " as it applies to this >discussion, means less faith in the ability of the body to obtain proper >nutrition from natural food sources or on an unsupplemented paleodiet or on >any diet of any kind. >_ ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2000 Report Share Posted March 30, 2000 I got your point, I was just adding a comment. Basically that regardless of one's age, nutrition is a crucial factor in the issue of longevity. Someone made the comment that tribulus terrestris was a waste of money without elaborating why. Please elaborate. Re: Optimal Health , I'm glad that you enjoy your 20 oz of raw vegetable juice but it has little bearing on the point I was making. In your terms, my point was that the principles of evolution would suggest that people still in their youth are more likely to be able to get full benefit from a 20 oz glass of juice than an older person, whose metabolism is not favored by natural selection. For example it is possible that the older person might need to drink 20 oz of juice to get the same benefit as the young person who drinks 15 oz. -gts Optimal Health > My investigation of daily consumption of at least 20 oz. of FRESH, RAW vegetable juice demonstrates differently. It is our dependence on cooked, processed, devitalized, demineralized and enzyme free " dead " solid foods that paints a less than ideal nutritional picture. > > " Less faith in mother nature as we grow older " as it applies to this discussion, means less faith in the ability of the body to obtain proper nutrition from natural food sources or on an unsupplemented paleodiet or on any diet of any kind. > ______________________________________________________________________ > Get Visto.com! Private groups, event calendars, email, and much more. > Visto.com. Life on the Dot. > Check it out @ http://www.visto.com/info > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2000 Report Share Posted March 31, 2000 Ullis has found, in his own practice, that tribilus is ineffective in middle-aged men, but Greg and his wife report significant results. >From: " S Baskins " <bsbasknis@...> >Reply-longevityegroups >longevityegroups >Subject: Re: Optimal Health >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:24:45 -0800 > > >I got your point, I was just adding a comment. Basically that regardless >of one's age, nutrition is a crucial factor in the issue of longevity. >Someone made the comment that tribulus terrestris was a waste of money >without elaborating why. Please elaborate. > > > > > Re: Optimal Health > > >, > >I'm glad that you enjoy your 20 oz of raw vegetable juice but it has little >bearing on the point I was making. In your terms, my point was that the >principles of evolution would suggest that people still in their youth are >more likely to be able to get full benefit from a 20 oz glass of juice than >an older person, whose metabolism is not favored by natural selection. > >For example it is possible that the older person might need to drink 20 oz >of juice to get the same benefit as the young person who drinks 15 oz. > >-gts > > Optimal Health > > > > My investigation of daily consumption of at least 20 oz. of FRESH, RAW >vegetable juice demonstrates differently. It is our dependence on cooked, >processed, devitalized, demineralized and enzyme free " dead " solid foods >that paints a less than ideal nutritional picture. > > > > " Less faith in mother nature as we grow older " as it applies to this >discussion, means less faith in the ability of the body to obtain proper >nutrition from natural food sources or on an unsupplemented paleodiet or on >any diet of any kind. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Get Visto.com! Private groups, event calendars, email, and much more. > > Visto.com. Life on the Dot. > > Check it out @ http://www.visto.com/info > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2000 Report Share Posted March 31, 2000 Thanks. I do have a 1/3 hp Champion that I might dust off. Most of the veggies you mention are low calorie and might not result in too high an insulin swing. (I would never have guessed that sweet potatoes would produce juice.) >From: " S Baskins " <bsbasknis@...> >Reply-longevityegroups >longevityegroups >Subject: Re: Optimal Health >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:22:13 -0800 > > > >I juice and drink about a variety of twenty different vegetables including >root vegetables or tubers like carrot, beets, garlic, onions, radish, >rutabaga, turnips, sweet potatoes, parsnips, also celery, parsley, spinach, >red and green cabbage, cilantro, kale, asparagus, cucumbers and squash. I >recently bought a " celery plant root " which tasted just like celery (duh!). > I have experimented with brussel sprouts, broccoli and cauliflower but >don't find them very productive of juice. You make the juice yourself at >home using a juice extracting machine. I have and recommend the Omega >1000. It is a lot of fun and the energy and benefits you notice are >unmistakable and rapid. I do take supplements but find that nothing is >better than pure live foods, loaded with water, organic minerals, enzymes, >amino acids, organic vitamins and all kinds of other things that man has >not even discovered yet. The body needs nutrition, not synthesized drugs >and supplements, in my experience, and giving it the unprocessed form is >very gratifying. I am still new to this dietary practice, just started in >January, and I still have the enthusiasm I had at the beginning. Try it! > ______________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2000 Report Share Posted March 31, 2000 Sweet potatoes produce an ENORMOUS amount of juice. Actually ALL the tuber or root veggies are very productive of fluid. It is the green leafies which are less productive. You should always feed the green leafies first so that the juice of whatever follows can pass through them again and generate more juice. A Champion is a high quality juicer AND tritrator so you have a top of the line model, with all of my enthusiasm I found it appalling that yours is dusty. To me, juice is like “nature’s pharmacy” and far better than any prescription. Prescriptions are fundamentally non-nutritive and I firmly have seen that if you give the body what it NEEDS, it has an intelligence all its own to correct maladies. Specifically, I had a chronic/acute bleeding gum problem for over two years with soreness in one area. To my astonishment I merely noticed one day after three weeks of daily juicing that I had NO more blood flow when brushing my teeth and the sore spot had disappeared. We never know how many diseases have their root and cause in malnutrition. Get busy! And happy juicing! (By the way, if you are concerned about sugar in the juice, beets and sweet potatoes should be eschewed, they are HIGH in sugars, as are the squash I have been told.) Re: Optimal Health >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:22:13 -0800 > > > >I juice and drink about a variety of twenty different vegetables including >root vegetables or tubers like carrot, beets, garlic, onions, radish, >rutabaga, turnips, sweet potatoes, parsnips, also celery, parsley, spinach, >red and green cabbage, cilantro, kale, asparagus, cucumbers and squash. I >recently bought a " celery plant root " which tasted just like celery (duh!). > I have experimented with brussel sprouts, broccoli and cauliflower but >don't find them very productive of juice. You make the juice yourself at >home using a juice extracting machine. I have and recommend the Omega >1000. It is a lot of fun and the energy and benefits you notice are >unmistakable and rapid. I do take supplements but find that nothing is >better than pure live foods, loaded with water, organic minerals, enzymes, >amino acids, organic vitamins and all kinds of other things that man has >not even discovered yet. The body needs nutrition, not synthesized drugs >and supplements, in my experience, and giving it the unprocessed form is >very gratifying. I am still new to this dietary practice, just started in >January, and I still have the enthusiasm I had at the beginning. Try it! > ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2000 Report Share Posted March 31, 2000 Back in the '80s when I bought my machine, juicing was practised by " faddists " , and veggie-specific research had, at least, not been widely publicized. I guess I fixated on carrot juice because it had lots of sugar and seemed more like a substantial food, and then there were warnings about concentrated sugars. Right now, I think I might like to experiment with an increased enzyme intake. Your 20 ounces would be 5 cups of juice which would seem to require a whole shopping bag full of produce, unless you include a lot of very juicy items such as tomatoes and carrots. >From: " S Baskins " <bsbasknis@...> >Reply-longevityegroups >longevityegroups >Subject: Re: Optimal Health >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:17:28 -0800 > > >Sweet potatoes produce an ENORMOUS amount of juice. Actually ALL the tuber >or root veggies are very productive of fluid. It is the green leafies >which are less productive. You should always feed the green leafies first >so that the juice of whatever follows can pass through them again and >generate more juice. A Champion is a high quality juicer AND tritrator so >you have a top of the line model, with all of my enthusiasm I found it >appalling that yours is dusty. To me, juice is like “nature’s pharmacy” >and far better than any prescription. Prescriptions are fundamentally >non-nutritive and I firmly have seen that if you give the body what it >NEEDS, it has an intelligence all its own to correct maladies. >Specifically, I had a chronic/acute bleeding gum problem for over two years >with soreness in one area. To my astonishment I merely noticed one day >after three weeks of daily juicing that I had NO more blood flow when >brushing my teeth and the sore spot had disappeared. We never know how >many diseases have their root and cause in malnutrition. Get busy! And >happy juicing! (By the way, if you are concerned about sugar in the juice, >beets and sweet potatoes should be eschewed, they are HIGH in sugars, as >are the squash I have been told.) > > Re: Optimal Health > >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:22:13 -0800 > > > > > > > >I juice and drink about a variety of twenty different vegetables >including > >root vegetables or tubers like carrot, beets, garlic, onions, radish, > >rutabaga, turnips, sweet potatoes, parsnips, also celery, parsley, >spinach, > >red and green cabbage, cilantro, kale, asparagus, cucumbers and squash. >I > >recently bought a " celery plant root " which tasted just like celery >(duh!). > > I have experimented with brussel sprouts, broccoli and cauliflower but > >don't find them very productive of juice. You make the juice yourself at > >home using a juice extracting machine. I have and recommend the Omega > >1000. It is a lot of fun and the energy and benefits you notice are > >unmistakable and rapid. I do take supplements but find that nothing is > >better than pure live foods, loaded with water, organic minerals, >enzymes, > >amino acids, organic vitamins and all kinds of other things that man has > >not even discovered yet. The body needs nutrition, not synthesized drugs > >and supplements, in my experience, and giving it the unprocessed form is > >very gratifying. I am still new to this dietary practice, just started >in > >January, and I still have the enthusiasm I had at the beginning. Try it! > > >______________________________________________________ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2000 Report Share Posted March 31, 2000 Correction: 20 oz would be 2 1/2 C of juice. >From: " wry " <wry35@...> >Reply-longevityegroups >longevityegroups >Subject: Re: Optimal Health >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:55:44 GMT > > >Back in the '80s when I bought my machine, juicing was practised by > " faddists " , and veggie-specific research had, at least, not been widely >publicized. I guess I fixated on carrot juice because it had lots of sugar >and seemed more like a substantial food, and then there were warnings about >concentrated sugars. Right now, I think I might like to experiment with an >increased enzyme intake. > >Your 20 ounces would be 5 cups of juice which would seem to require a whole >shopping bag full of produce, unless you include a lot of very juicy items >such as tomatoes and carrots. > >>From: " S Baskins " <bsbasknis@...> >>Reply-longevityegroups >>longevityegroups >>Subject: Re: Optimal Health >>Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:17:28 -0800 >> >> >>Sweet potatoes produce an ENORMOUS amount of juice. Actually ALL the >>tuber >>or root veggies are very productive of fluid. It is the green leafies >>which are less productive. You should always feed the green leafies first >>so that the juice of whatever follows can pass through them again and >>generate more juice. A Champion is a high quality juicer AND tritrator so >>you have a top of the line model, with all of my enthusiasm I found it >>appalling that yours is dusty. To me, juice is like “nature’s pharmacy” >>and far better than any prescription. Prescriptions are fundamentally >>non-nutritive and I firmly have seen that if you give the body what it >>NEEDS, it has an intelligence all its own to correct maladies. >>Specifically, I had a chronic/acute bleeding gum problem for over two >>years >>with soreness in one area. To my astonishment I merely noticed one day >>after three weeks of daily juicing that I had NO more blood flow when >>brushing my teeth and the sore spot had disappeared. We never know how >>many diseases have their root and cause in malnutrition. Get busy! And >>happy juicing! (By the way, if you are concerned about sugar in the >>juice, >>beets and sweet potatoes should be eschewed, they are HIGH in sugars, as >>are the squash I have been told.) >> >> Re: Optimal Health >> >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:22:13 -0800 >> > >> > >> > >> >I juice and drink about a variety of twenty different vegetables >>including >> >root vegetables or tubers like carrot, beets, garlic, onions, radish, >> >rutabaga, turnips, sweet potatoes, parsnips, also celery, parsley, >>spinach, >> >red and green cabbage, cilantro, kale, asparagus, cucumbers and squash. >>I >> >recently bought a " celery plant root " which tasted just like celery >>(duh!). >> > I have experimented with brussel sprouts, broccoli and cauliflower but >> >don't find them very productive of juice. You make the juice yourself >>at >> >home using a juice extracting machine. I have and recommend the Omega >> >1000. It is a lot of fun and the energy and benefits you notice are >> >unmistakable and rapid. I do take supplements but find that nothing is >> >better than pure live foods, loaded with water, organic minerals, >>enzymes, >> >amino acids, organic vitamins and all kinds of other things that man has >> >not even discovered yet. The body needs nutrition, not synthesized >>drugs >> >and supplements, in my experience, and giving it the unprocessed form is >> >very gratifying. I am still new to this dietary practice, just started >>in >> >January, and I still have the enthusiasm I had at the beginning. Try >>it! >> > >>______________________________________________________ >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Duncan- What you are saying is fair enough if you take that approach. I have however come to believe that tinkering with the body, through supps, hormones, whatever, really underestimates the body's power and ability to heal, and in fact, interferes. I also think the anti-oxident theory is flawed and perhaps only partially correct. The body is much wiser than medical science can even begin to comprehend. to imagine that we can manipulate things like longevity using hormones, supps druggs, whatever is just wishful thinking. yes, health is a lifelong pursuit, and I don't believe there are any shortcuts. if inulin came straight out of a goat, or if I could pick in from a garden, I wouldn't have any problem with it. products are a distraction from my quest for true balence and health. not everyone is on such a search, for some, such things may be what they want (even if not necessary). I believe in myself, the greatest healer of all. g > Hi , > > This is an interesting topic opportunuty for everyone based on your > comments, so please forgive the topic change... > > > ... in my experience, its better to > > heal as naturally as possible, buying as few supps as possible. Its > > just my opinion that people should research their diet and improve > > digestion so supps and drugs are unecssary. > > I can tell by your posts that you have an even and balanced viewpoint > on natural health. And I agree with you and generally I stay as low > as possible on supplements, except that in my practice I see a > selection of clients, some who want the minimum treatment to stay > alive, and some who pursue longevity. Attention to antioxidant > levels, HGH enhancers, b-vitamin sources and minerals as a lifelong > commitment is required for the pursuit of longevity, which after all > is the reason we are exchanging information. > > But specifically the people on this group, a lot of them anyway, are > in a vortex and they can be brought out of it more quickly by > temporarily taking a couple of supplements in somewhat higher doses > more along the lines of what they might need in the pursuit of > longevity, depending on the degree of robust health they're looking > for. > > And all of my recommendations are based in the fact of medical > research. > > > > > This is an open forum, and you are entitled to your opinion as well. > > Only difference, I'm not selling anything other than my experience. > > Buying is the always the individual's option, and with what you're > learning here you can always second-source an appropriate product if > that's an issue. I spend 4-6 hours daily in charity work. I think for > the amount of detail and information I pass along on health matters, > I deserve the odd sale. > > > Only you can know whether you have a bias or not, but people, > > including yourself, would do well to at least consider it when making > > their decisions. And, not everyone is mentally ready to trust and > > believe that they don't need such things. For them, until the time is > > right, spending money on such products may bring them a type of > > comfort until they are ready to move on. > Sure I'm biased; I'm an anti-ager - optimal health is what I teach > people. > > The post I made earlier today about the reliance of longevity and > health on certain (higher) levels of antioxidants, vitamins, minerals > and hormonal values might surprise you. It all has scientific basis > and I have the detail I need to make an informed decision, if only > for myself. But I do present the material for all to research for > themselves. > > > For me, one the best points > > in my life was the day it struck me, like a 2*4 across the head, > that > > I didn't need any of it, that I was the problem, and that no > special > > magic project was going to save me. > > > > It's obvious that living clean and healthy has its merits, and that > health is a matter of making more correct choices, but exercising > your built-in options for longevity requires taking the appropriate > action. Where you and I differ might be that I'm shooting for 115 > whereas the natural approach you favour results in an average healthy > lifespan. I respect your decision, but will continue to highlight the > reality of the outcomes our respective ideals will produce. > > regards, > > Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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