Re: Fighting Candida with Lactobaccilus

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Barb - Sorry your question didn't get answered. There are so many posts

daily on this site (which is great!!!), that sometimes one or two will slip

through the cracks.

Yes, probiotics are good. I'm not familiar with Nature's Way.. Just be

sure that the ones you get have live bacteria in them (which means they have

to be refrigerated). Some people like yogurt too - again, make sure it

says " live culture " on the container.

Fighting Candida with Lactobaccilus

> Noone responded to my post on lactobaccilus to

> fight candida. Has this been discussed before?

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Bard and others interested in probiotics and/or prebiotics. you may

> find these links useful, its a common sense look at probiotics, how

> yogurt and foods are a far superior source, and how man-made

> " prebiotics " like fos and inulin might not be such a hot idea:

>

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/inulin.htm

> http://www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/conspiracy/conspiracy.html

Just to let and everyone else know, the article he referred you

to on Healing Crow is a speculative one written by an SCD adherent.

The SCD and the resultant speculation has little basis in science.

Inulin is nothing more than a water extraction, not " man-made " any

more than potato water is when you boil them for dinner.

Here's the actual science, on my website; I suggest that the best

" commonsense look " one could take would be to read " Inulin: A

Comprehensive Scientific Review " , a resource that contains more than

200 references alone, and that's only up to 2001. Other references

from later on are posted separately on the web page.

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html

SUMMARY:

People get much better results using SCD-illegal inulin that exerts

control over the bowel bacteria by increasing mainly bifidobacteria,

and much less the lactobacilli. For more than 5,000 years in China,

and since ancient Greece in Europe, this has been standard procedure

because it is reliable.

On the other hand, the SCD allows for chaos to reign in the bowel due

to the suppression of fermentation by probiotic bacteria that have to

be there to control the bad bacteria. By allowing the use of inulin

in the diet, this natural control mechanism will be effective.

Without it, healthy populations can not colonize the bowel lining, a

crucially important position because it is the contact point between

'inside' and 'outside'. All this is in the science.

The inulin chosen for the exercise in my practice has had the sugar

and FOS removed because either one can be problematic. It feeds

bifidobacteria and lactobacilli. This difference is completely missed

by SCD zealots, who do not make the distinction between inulin, FOS,

other prebiotics, and long-chain inulin " . And they all have different

properties that completely escapes the zealots.

That this step is not only missed but disallowed by the SCD is very

sad; people who take years to heal or never heal at all could have

experienced pronounced benefit in just a month or so by correcting

their bowel dysbiosis.

The moral is to make sure you're not swayed by opinion, make up your

own mind, and to do that you kind of have to read at least some of

the reference material.

The SCD is not scientific. I treat people who were on these funny

diets all the time. They recover.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=291464 & pageindex=3

The above study found inulin increased klebsiella

oxytoca In 68% of the strains tested.

And the study on Duncan’s site below found

it increased Bacteroides

fragilis Enterococcus faecalis and Peptostreptococcus prevotii in addition to bifidobacteria.

This concerns me. Could it increase the growth of other species not

tested ? And even if the bacteria can’t utilize the inulin

now, could they mutate so that they can ?

Re: Re:

Fighting Candida with Lactobaccilus

>

> Bard and others interested in probiotics

and/or prebiotics. you may

> find these links useful, its a common sense

look at probiotics, how

> yogurt and foods are a far superior source,

and how man-made

> " prebiotics " like fos and inulin

might not be such a hot idea:

>

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/inulin.htm

> http://www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/conspiracy/conspiracy.html

Just to let and everyone else know, the

article he referred you

to on Healing Crow is a speculative one written by

an SCD adherent.

The SCD and the resultant speculation has little

basis in science.

Inulin is nothing more than a water extraction,

not " man-made " any

more than potato water is when you boil them for

dinner.

Here's the actual science, on my website; I

suggest that the best

" commonsense look " one could take would

be to read " Inulin: A

Comprehensive Scientific Review " , a resource

that contains more than

200 references alone, and that's only up to 2001.

Other references

from later on are posted separately on the web

page.

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html

SUMMARY:

People get much better results using SCD-illegal

inulin that exerts

control over the bowel bacteria by increasing

mainly bifidobacteria,

and much less the lactobacilli. For more than

5,000 years in China,

and since ancient Greece in Europe, this has been

standard procedure

because it is reliable.

On the other hand, the SCD allows for chaos to

reign in the bowel due

to the suppression of fermentation by probiotic

bacteria that have to

be there to control the bad bacteria. By allowing

the use of inulin

in the diet, this natural control mechanism will

be effective.

Without it, healthy populations can not colonize

the bowel lining, a

crucially important position because it is the

contact point between

'inside' and 'outside'. All this is in the

science.

The inulin chosen for the exercise in my practice

has had the sugar

and FOS removed because either one can be

problematic. It feeds

bifidobacteria and lactobacilli. This difference

is completely missed

by SCD zealots, who do not make the distinction

between inulin, FOS,

other prebiotics, and long-chain inulin " . And

they all have different

properties that completely escapes the zealots.

That this step is not only missed but disallowed

by the SCD is very

sad; people who take years to heal or never heal

at all could have

experienced pronounced benefit in just a month or

so by correcting

their bowel dysbiosis.

The moral is to make sure you're not swayed by

opinion, make up your

own mind, and to do that you kind of have to read

at least some of

the reference material.

The SCD is not scientific. I treat people who were

on these funny

diets all the time. They recover.

Duncan Crow

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[Guest guest]

This post misses many points raised in the link I posted, including

the basic premise that attempts to manipulate health using man made

substances are short sighted. You could probably cite thousands upon

thousands of studies touting the benefits of synthetic vitamins (paid

for by those who want to sell vitamins). doesn't mean they help. see

www.thedoctorwithin.com about synthetic products-in short, a gimmik.

In the end people have to decide these things for themselves, and

consider the bias of those touting them. The most important fact of

that link, you can get plenty of real inulin in food.

johng

> >

> > Bard and others interested in probiotics and/or prebiotics. you

may

> > find these links useful, its a common sense look at probiotics,

how

> > yogurt and foods are a far superior source, and how man-made

> > " prebiotics " like fos and inulin might not be such a hot idea:

> >

> >

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/inulin.htm

> > http://www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/conspiracy/conspiracy.html

>

> Just to let and everyone else know, the article he referred

you

> to on Healing Crow is a speculative one written by an SCD adherent.

> The SCD and the resultant speculation has little basis in science.

>

> Inulin is nothing more than a water extraction, not " man-made " any

> more than potato water is when you boil them for dinner.

>

> Here's the actual science, on my website; I suggest that the best

> " commonsense look " one could take would be to read " Inulin: A

> Comprehensive Scientific Review " , a resource that contains more

than

> 200 references alone, and that's only up to 2001. Other references

> from later on are posted separately on the web page.

>

> http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html

>

> SUMMARY:

>

> People get much better results using SCD-illegal inulin that exerts

> control over the bowel bacteria by increasing mainly

bifidobacteria,

> and much less the lactobacilli. For more than 5,000 years in China,

> and since ancient Greece in Europe, this has been standard

procedure

> because it is reliable.

>

> On the other hand, the SCD allows for chaos to reign in the bowel

due

> to the suppression of fermentation by probiotic bacteria that have

to

> be there to control the bad bacteria. By allowing the use of inulin

> in the diet, this natural control mechanism will be effective.

> Without it, healthy populations can not colonize the bowel lining,

a

> crucially important position because it is the contact point

between

> 'inside' and 'outside'. All this is in the science.

>

> The inulin chosen for the exercise in my practice has had the sugar

> and FOS removed because either one can be problematic. It feeds

> bifidobacteria and lactobacilli. This difference is completely

missed

> by SCD zealots, who do not make the distinction between inulin,

FOS,

> other prebiotics, and long-chain inulin " . And they all have

different

> properties that completely escapes the zealots.

>

> That this step is not only missed but disallowed by the SCD is very

> sad; people who take years to heal or never heal at all could have

> experienced pronounced benefit in just a month or so by correcting

> their bowel dysbiosis.

>

> The moral is to make sure you're not swayed by opinion, make up

your

> own mind, and to do that you kind of have to read at least some of

> the reference material.

>

> The SCD is not scientific. I treat people who were on these funny

> diets all the time. They recover.

>

> Duncan Crow