Re: Colonoscopy Results & Colonic irrigations

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In a message dated 10/27/99 6:31:16 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

d_mc@... writes:

<< Same question here, when I had a colonoscopy the walls of my colon were

also

clear of all matter. My colon was pink and healthy and the doctor said

everything was just fine, he even let me see the video tape. So if we are

so full of parasites and mucus and rubber tire like stuff, why doesn't any

of that show up on the colonoscopy? Does anybody have any insight here? >>

I was also told the same thing. I would like to know the answer to that

question. That's been on my mind for years now. I was also wondering if

anybody had colonic irrigations. Did you have parasites? Did you continue

treatment long enough to see the black rubber stuff pass? What was your

experience?

Thanks,

finesse

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Doesn't anyone out there know how to find Dr. Schulze Imoplex? It sounds

too good too be true ... maybe it is ... just seems to me that if more people

used that stuff that we'd all be a little better off. It sounds

comprehensive, and gosh, the packaging is even nicer than anything else!

Please ... let's work together to find that product and let's see if it's as

good as it gets. I'm simply not willing to upset my intestines any more than

it already is ... so go to www.imoplex.com and check it out. Isn't anyone

else excited about this recipe but me and one other person on this list???

Confused and About To Be Sick

Margarette

Gevans2293@...

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hi margarette, l went to the site also..and found it odd that there is no

information on this product- imoplex- maybe it was never manufactured..but l

agree with you that it does sound like a winner..if you could just find

it...inga.

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In a message dated 10/27/99 12:52:53, FLapins@... writes:

<< I was also wondering if

anybody had colonic irrigations. Did you have parasites? Did you continue

treatment long enough to see the black rubber stuff pass? What was your

experience? >>

Yes. Yes. And Yes. My experience was that I was full of worms and fungus

and disgusting fetid, putrid smelling black junk and stool that looked like

navegation ropes and all the ugly things you have seen in books like Bernard

Jensen's. I have never had a colonoscopy though so I don't know if my colon

would have looked bright and pink, before the colonics. Nor have I ever seen

a videotape of a colonoscopy so I don't even know what their definition of

" pink " is. I do know that allopathic doctors usually have lower standards of

what is considered normal than holistic ones. But I am very curious about

this now, too.

Robin

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In a message dated 10/27/99 6:22:30 PM Central Daylight Time,

G2293@... writes:

<< Doesn't anyone out there know how to find Dr. Schulze Imoplex? It sounds

too good too be true >>

Why do you think this product is from Dr. Schulze? I have never seen it in

any of the literature he sends out and it doesn't address that on the site??

Maybe I missed something.

Edith

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Hi Robin,

Had you used any cleansing products before you got out the ropy, black

stuff?

Good posts. J.

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Hey, Edith,

Well, maybe I picked up what I read incorrectly about Imoplex, but something

made me think that. I did send three messages to individuals listed on

various parasite pages and two of them mentioned Dr. Schulze as the " recipe "

maker; one guy told me to contact Dusan, but upon people searching him, I

found no e-mail address.

After going back and re-reading the Imoplex page, it has Japanese origins.

Thanks for clearing up my confusion on that :-)

My search goes on ...

Margaret

G2293@...

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Hey, Inga! Yes ... my search continues. I'll be glad to give you info when

I find it ...

Margarette

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It isn't Dr. Schulze and I will watch for someone to find out where to order

it. The web pages are great.

jean ann

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Thanks, Ann!

Margarette

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robin, has anyone experienced in colonics told you what the black ropey stuff

is..how long do you have to be on a cleansing product to see it...what were

you on? thanks inga.

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In a message dated 10/28/99 03:58:20, jackson@... writes:

<< Had you used any cleansing products before you got out the ropy, black

stuff? >>

Yes the colonic program I am on provides cleansing products which are

bentonite, psyllium and herbal based, at specific times and in specific

quantities to achieve specific ends. In addition, I have had myself on

mega-antiparasitic herbs, and was also using Chinese herbs, which I want to

go back to. I don't think colonics without cleansing products are enough.

If what you are getting at is that the psyllium itself may be what causes the

ropy stuff--I know someone posted that today but I'm not sure if it was you,

and the list has been so boppy that I can't find the original post--that

might be the case, the psyllium may make the ropes, but it doesn't make the

black. Cleansing products and colonics effectively rehabilitate the bowel

and rejuvenate the mind and body. I recommend both and if you can't afford

colonics, then enemas with self-massage as suggested by someone on the list

recently. Of course your diet must also be really good too.

Robin

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In a message dated 10/28/99 10:46:17 PM Central Daylight Time,

RJGoldsmit@... writes:

<< If what you are getting at is that the psyllium itself may be what causes

the

ropy stuff--I know someone posted that today but I'm not sure if it was you,

and the list has been so boppy that I can't find the original post--that

might be the case, the psyllium may make the ropes, but it doesn't make the

black. Cleansing products and colonics effectively rehabilitate the bowel

and rejuvenate the mind and body. I recommend both and if you can't afford

colonics, then enemas with self-massage as suggested by someone on the list

recently. Of course your diet must also be really good too.

Robin

>>

I did some bowel cleasnes and alot of enemas but did not use psyllium and

passed the rope stuff.

Edith

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In a message dated 10/28/99 06:54:35, jumblesky@... writes:

<< yesterday I passed many strange things, nothing really

identifiable. Included in strange things were short

bright blue 'threads' that wiggled (years ago I used

to blow my nose & get mucus with that bright blue

colour, always wondered about that..) and some longer

(3 inches) thicker orange/red 'threads', dead I

suppose, not wiggling at all - I wish I could find out

what they were, maybe there's a medicine that would

kill them all in a day or two. sigh. >>

Blue meanies and red herrings. Yuk!

There ARE apparently some allopathic medications which can eradicate worms

quite quickly, at least to give you a jumpstart in your holistic treatment.

(They never get all the eggs so you have to keep treating yourself

holistically after you use them). But to get these medications you need a

correct diagnosis and and a very knowledgeable MD, which are both difficult.

As far as I can tell, Great Smokies Lab is the only one in the country which

does good diagnosis. They will also offer you a list of doctors in your area

who use them, which may help with the other hurdle. Hopefully the best

doctors are using the best lab??? Great Smokies is at cs@..., and their

phone number is 1-800-522-4762. They also have a web site. Unfortunately

they don't let you send in the specimens yourself. You need a doctor's

referral. But it doesn't have to be an MD. I may go this route myself if I

don't get rid of the last of these creatures in a few weeks. I've come a

long way, but there are hangers-on.

My worms are not as colorful as yours. They are a dull yellow and look like

pignoli nuts, as I've said before. Then when they are bigger they look like

beans, then water chestnuts, then they get very hard and boney, then they

turn black (yes, black, it's a stage they go through, not a different worm,

it was even corroborated on the Net) when they are very old. They are

totally oval-shaped or round. My colonic therapist had never seen anything

like them. And this is the problem. There are just so many kinds, they are

difficult to diagnose. Someone on this list asked me how I knew they were

not food particles. It was because of the other symptoms I had, especially

weeks of total constipation, itchy butt, metallic mouth, and also, believe it

or not, nail biting, which I remembered reading long ago was a symptom of

parasites. It wasn't because of the worm in my stool. They really just

looked like food. But once I started treating them they came out in such

droves that there could be no doubt that something was rottener in Denmark

than undigested food particles).

I see there haven't been any takers about your and other listers' question as

to why the MD's tests show a clear colon when so much junk (blue, orange,

red) is being passed. This is disappointing. But coincidentally, I have

stumbled onto the colon web site of Dr. Hoffman in New York. Hoffman

is a very overpriced and trendy NY doctor but he has a great web site. I

found a wealth of information about irritable bowel syndrome and other

aspects of colon cleanse which may shed some light on your, and others',

concerns. I recommend you all view the site if you haven't yet, especially

you, :

http://www.consciouschoice.com/holisticmd/hmd085.html

Robin

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In a message dated 10/29/99 04:42:46, jumblesky@... writes:

<< What do you consider mega-antiparasite herbs? >>

Well, I've been using Clear by AWARENESS in conjunction with the Hulda

recommendations of cloves, wormwood and green black walnut hulls. The

trio I get from Emerson Ecologics. Clear already has two of these included

but I figure the more the merrier. Then I also take garlic and aloe vera

juice (both of which I am now somewhat leery of after ' warnings but I

do take 'em) plus I've been rotating Chinese herbs from Dr. Fu in Chinatown

in New York, grapefruit seed extract, colloidal silver, and whatever

parasitic formulas happen to be available at ye olde Vitamin Shoppe, the

Starbuck's of health food. These include 's and Null's formula.

In addition, my colonic therapist supplies me with her own bentonite,

psyllium and herbal based preparations. So at least one thing we can be sure

of--a lot of people are making money off of me. (LOL). But really, I do feel

better. Robin

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About the worms, I have read that hot pepper sauce will rid one of worms. I

eat a lot of it because I love it. I hope this means I don't have worms. I

don't know why I can't gain weight. Does anybody know about hot sauce?

Benaiah nsen

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In a message dated 10/30/99 22:16:46, jumblesky@... writes:

<< The scariest thing I

have is a lot of chest pains, especially on the left

side. >>

That IS very scary but, believe it or not, it is actually a symptom of

advanced parasitic infection. I had it too a few months ago and it scared

the shit out of me (no pun....) because I thought I was having a heart

attack. I have never had even the slightest inkling of heart trouble in my

life yet I was sure on two occasions that I was ready for the emergency room.

Another thing you won't believe is actually a parasitic symptom--guess what:

NOSEBLEEDS!

Yes, nosebleeds. I hadn't had a nosebleed since I was a little kid but all

of a sudden there I was on my big adult job running to the bathroom on

several occasions with a tissue full of blood.

The chest pains and nosebleeds were corroborated as parasite symptoms on web

sites on the Net. These parasites can do almost anything. Their symptoms

can mimick almost any symptom of any horrible condition you can think of,

especially in their advanced stages.

Yes, and the particular type we both seem to have does get humungous. I'm

not surprised you had one as big as a chestnut. And when they get that big

and bony they are very painful to expel. Also they produce severely

debilitating pain in the lower back which feels like kidney stones. But

it's not. It's the bugs.

Don't give up the ship. Whatever condition you have is either caused by or

severely complicated by a major parasitic infestation which is permeating

everything else. The very fact that you are getting them out--that you can

SEE them, is good news. Don't forget that the expulsion of a disease is

often more painful than the disease itself. Things get stirred up, toxins

get released, then just the MECHANICAL ACT of expelling such large vermin is

very EXHAUSTING to the human body. You may feel so terrible because you are

actually getting better. I know it's hard to conceptualize at the moment

but nonetheless a distinct possibility.

You also asked if we on the list thought you should get off of what your

nutritionist put you on because you are getting worse. What exactly are you

on? What is in 6n1 other than bentonite? Also, I don't know how long you

can stay on bentonite without undergoing vitamin and mineral depletion, and

no one has responded to your query about this yet. But, again, you can't

really be sure you're getting worse--it might be a natural phase associated

with this level of parasite expulsion. Offhand the person to ask would

really be your nutritionist. He/she must have done SOMETHING right because

you ARE expelling so many worms. Let him know about the side effects.

Perhaps he can help you.

My boyfriend is going through something similar on the treatments. For me

they've been fairly mild, but it seems I only have the one kind of worm (the

pignoli/chestnut one). But with my boyfriend it emerged that like you he has

about four kinds, some long squiggly ones, some thin, angel-hair type ones,

some with pointy, triangular heads, and he too has had excruciating

debilitating reactions to the die-off. Yet he doesn't communicate with the

colonic/nutritional therapist who is behind all this. He just gets very

angry at her (and lord knows she is far from perfect), and forgets that the

very fact that so many bugs are leaving is a GOOD sign, so right now he isn't

calling her and isn't seeing her. He just goes on and off of her herbal

concoctions while hurling invectives at her. I keep telling him he's just

giving the bugs a chance to reproduce by stalling and being so inconsistent,

but....well, we'll see.

I don't know--I hope this has been a little helpful for you. And really,

think about contacting Great Smokies and finding an MD in your area who can

start you off with a " magic bullet " . As Dr. Meltzer said when I protested

that I didn't want to up my intake of animal protein to fight infection, how

much more toxic can it be than all that herpes and candida and Epstein-Barr

being released into your system on a daily basis? Sometimes it seems we have

to choose our poison.

Robin

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In a message dated 10/30/99 22:16:46, jumblesky@... writes:

<< . I am really very sick. Too sick even to go

Dr.s appointments, they don't even seem worth the

trouble with the lame advice they give like " go home &

rest, see me in three months " >>

P.S. That's why I'm recommending Great Smokies Laborartory's referral

system--on the chance they can refer you to doctor who is worth his salt.

Such MDs do exist. And Smokies is THE state of the art parasite testing

facility in the country. I would call their doctors and speak to them until

you find one who sounds sympathetic and competent. If the doctor won't speak

to you over the phone he probably isn't worth much. That's what happened to

me when I first started with all this. I went to one lame doctor who told me

to just rest and keep taking Null's Bug Out (which I already had myself

on) and take metamusil, so I called the gastroenterologists on my health plan

but none of them would speak to me. They hid behind their secretaries. But

I was just too sick to go see them without some guarantee that they had a

brain in their head. So I went back to my old Chinese doctor--I was at that

point so sick and exhausted that it was REALLY hard for me to get to

Chinatown. (And it's less than a mile away!) But I got there and his herbs

gave me the strength to do holistic research and the research on the Net on

my own. And here I am, much, much better and a member of the human race

again. So don't give up the ship.

Robin

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julie, do you have an idea of how to tell if you have worms. And do you

have an idea of what to do about it if you do? Or do I have to go to a

doctor for colonoscopy?

Thanks,

Benaiah

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At 03:20 PM 10/30/99 -0700, you wrote:

>From: Jules Ferris <jumblesky@...>

>Thanks Robin for the link, I just can't face thinking

>about this stuff any more right now. I am really in

>bad condition. Ever since the colonoscopy I seem to

>be getting worse. I didn't know that my Dr. was going

>to take biopsies beforehand, I thought he was just

>going to have a look. It took me two weeks to stop

>the residual bleeding.

Hello ,

The body is physically capable of only so much healing at one time. This is

one reason that cleansing can be a slow process and sometimes discouraging.

For about half of the time I felt worse than when I started, this was over

the first 4 month period. But after working through it all and coming out

the other end (9-10 months), it gave me my life back. A positive attitude

will also help, you should be wanting to get better more than anything

else. Hang in there.

Bob

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In a message dated 10/31/99 04:15:03, jumblesky@... writes:

<< Is it possible to have

something too big to expel? Would something really

big eventually breakdown if it dies? or are there

cases where surgery would be necessary? >>

I have read cases of some very big things being expelled. Even tapeworms get

expelled eventually, and they can be FEET long, not inches. But here is one

old folk remedy FYI, designed to expel the big guys:

For three days you eat nothing but raw garlic. Yes it's gross and you better

plan it around a long weekend, like instead of your Thanskgiving turkey or

soy turkey, if you want to keep your friends. And yes it may fog up your

mind but since you won't be going anywhere thos three days what difference

does it make. The garlic starves, debiliatates and begins to kill the worms.

Then on the third day you sit in a " sitz bath " of warm milk. The ravenous

worms smell the milk (they love sugar) and crawl toward it and out of you

and into it.

Yuk! Gross! But better to take a bath with worms than to have them taking a

bath inside of you, no? This remedy is as I understand it specifically

designed for tapeworms. They peep their little tapey head out of your butt

to lap up the milk and you POUNCE on them PUUUULL them out...But I'm sure it

would work for any large critters.

You know the movie " Dancing with Wolves " ? This one is called " Dancing with

Worms " . I know, I know. My mother didn't raise me for this kind of thing

either.

Robin

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In a message dated 10/31/99 04:17:09, jumblesky@... writes:

<< p.s. Happy Halloween everybody! I'm trying to put

together my hookworm costume. >>

Don't forget to bring the milk.

Robin

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In a message dated 10/31/99 06:02:29, BENAMOSES@... writes:

<< do you have an idea of how to tell if you have worms. And do you

have an idea of what to do about it if you do? Or do I have to go to a

doctor for colonoscopy? >>

Colonoscopy is most definitely not the best way to tell if you have worms.

Neither is lab diagnosis because it doesn't detect all the critters. But you

can certainly go this route as a first step. You should insist that your

doctor use Great Smokies Lab. As far as I can tell, all the others just suck.

If the lab diagnois fails, or if you choose not to do it, the best way to

tell if you have worms is to read up on it, find out the possible array of

symptoms, rule out other possibilities, such as candida, and then start

yourself on a treatment. This will begin to expel the worms and you will

only know for sure you have them when you start to see them in your stool.

When you break the stool OPEN with a stick you may be amazed and truly

revolted at how many there are. (And if you don't have worms--which if you

think you do you probably do--the holistic treatment won't hurt you and will

help you in other ways).

I began learning about all this over the summer by browsing the Net under

WORMS AND PARASITES and HUMAN PARASITES. The most comprehensive web site I

found was http://home.sol.no/~dusan/ which actually led me to this list. But

there are many many others. And I understand the book GUESS WHAT CAME TO

DINNER is also a good place to start. But this is a very complex issue with

no easy answers. You have to do your own research. Good luck.

Robin

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In a message dated 10/31/99 10:58:18, jumblesky@... writes:

<< I am wondering about the term 'anorexia', I

always thought anorexia was when women (or men)

obsessed about body image and wouldn't eat in an

overdone 'dieting'. >>

This is the way the term is normally used but recently I have been seeing it

to apply to other non-eating situations too. Perhaps this can help to

clarify: I have also seen specific holistic dietary and herbal recs for

anorexics of the supposedly " psychological " kind--the assumption being that

underlying the distorted self-image there is a serious physiological problem

going on owing to certain nutritional deficiencies. In other words, while we

would think that the excessive " dieting " led to nutritional deficiencies,

actually pre-existing nutritional deficiencies created the organism's

failure to recognize what it needs to ingest, along with the deathly neurotic

mental image. Deficiency caused starvation; starvation did not cause

deficiency. Of course once you begin the starvation diet it's a vicious

circle.

Understanding that state of the art thinking on " psychological " anorexia

finds an underlying original physical imbalance may help to understand the

broader use of the term to apply to any pathological non-eating state.

Robin

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Robin,

This is so strange...thought I would never hear this again...but the way I

heard

at a health meeting was to sit in a large pan of condensd milk...the kind with

loads of sugar.

Edith

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In a message dated 10/31/99 8:38:05 AM Central Standard Time,

RJGoldsmit@... writes:

<< < Is it possible to have

something too big to expel? Would something really

big eventually breakdown if it dies? or are there

cases where surgery would be necessary? >>

I have read cases of some very big things being expelled. Even tapeworms

get

expelled eventually, and they can be FEET long, not inches. But here is one

old folk remedy FYI, designed to expel the big guys:

For three days you eat nothing but raw garlic. Yes it's gross and you

better

plan it around a long weekend, like instead of your Thanskgiving turkey or

soy turkey, if you want to keep your friends. And yes it may fog up your

mind but since you won't be going anywhere thos three days what difference

does it make. The garlic starves, debiliatates and begins to kill the

worms.

Then on the third day you sit in a " sitz bath " of warm milk. The ravenous

worms smell the milk (they love sugar) and crawl toward it and out of you

and into it.

Yuk! Gross! But better to take a bath with worms than to have them taking

a

bath inside of you, no? This remedy is as I understand it specifically

designed for tapeworms. They peep their little tapey head out of your butt

to lap up the milk and you POUNCE on them PUUUULL them out...But I'm sure it

would work for any large critters.

You know the movie " Dancing with Wolves " ? This one is called " Dancing with

Worms " . I know, I know. My mother didn't raise me for this kind of thing

either.

Robin