Re: Any suggestions? I'm very depressed

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/22/2002 9:00:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,

dezign4you@... writes:

> Well, I was doing fairly well and things took a turn for the worse. I'm

> taking 60mg of Armour and also trying to exercise, although I only seem to

> make it to the gym twice a week. I've also been taking Juice Plus, which

> is a whole foods vitamin. I've got a great new boyfriend, a great new job

> and everything is going well for me so I should be happy, right? I really

> feel like crap, I'm tired all the time. I can't remember anything and I'm

> starting to feel like a real idiot.

Dear ,

I'm a little confused...Were you feeling okay until just recently regarding

the mental fog? Or have you had that all along and still haven't gotten rid

of it from before starting the Armour?

Does your whole food vitamin contain powdered goitrogens? (Powdered

broccoli, beet greens, kale, etc., or soy.) Or does it contain calcium or

iron that you might be taking too soon after you take your thyroid medicine?

Do you refrigerate your medicine to preserve maximum potency? Any of these

things could affect whether you are getting th emost out of your medicine.

Still, it sounds like either you are not on the right medicine for you or you

aren't on enough medicine to make the brain fog go away. It's damned

frustrating, for sure to figure out just what it is! If it was me, I'd

experiment on myself and increase my medicine a little at a time to see if it

helped me feel better. But that's just me. I'd call for a refill and then

if it helped I'd go see my doc a little earlier than usual and tell him/her I

found that more medicine helped. My present doc would go with it, I know,

but again, he's come to trust me that I can tell what my body needs, and a

little bit of conservative experimentation helps me find what works.

On the depression, fish oil caps have proven to be an effective

anti-depressant. Here's a rather longish but interesting article summing up

recent interest in using fish oil to assist folks maintain better mental

health. <A

HREF= " http://bipolar.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mhso\

urce.com%2Fpt%2Fp981222.html " >

http://bipolar.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mhsource

..com%2Fpt%2Fp981222.html</A>

I hope you will be able to track down some things that will help you feel

better,

[Guest guest]

IMHO you must get more thyroid medicine. There is no substitute.

Gracia

>

> Hi everyone,

> Well, I was doing fairly well and things took a turn for the worse. I'm

taking 60mg of Armour and also trying to exercise, although I only seem to

make it to the gym twice a week. I've also been taking Juice Plus, which is

a whole foods vitamin. I've got a great new boyfriend, a great new job and

everything is going well for me so I should be happy, right? I really feel

like crap, I'm tired all the time. I can't remember anything and I'm

starting to feel like a real idiot. I'm afraid to start my new job in a

week because they might find out how stupid I am. I've never had these

feelings of inferiority and fear before but they are overpowering everything

I do. I know none of you know what I used to be like but I was confident,

smart, and very sociable. Now I try to avoid contact with people because

I'm afraid I will get nervous and make a fool out of myself. I'm also

experiencing terrible mood swings. Someone suggested I try progesterone

creme or taking a higher dose of Armour. I can't really afford to go to the

doctor right now so I'm just looking for suggestions from anyone that has

experienced this before. I'm only 29yo and I can't imagine living the rest

of my life feeling like this. Thanks for listening, please write back(:

>

> annah1149@... wrote:In a message dated 12/9/2002 12:52:25 PM Pacific

Standard Time,

> dezign4you@... writes:

>

>

> > One problem I have been experiencing is irregular menstrual cycles and

PMS

> > symptoms like bloating, breast tenderness and irritability are more

severe

> > and lasting for well over a week. I used to have them just for a few

days.

> > Has anyone else experienced this and do you think maybe I need more or

> > less Armour.

>

> Dear ,

>

> I'm so happy to hear you're feeling better and that Armour Thyroid has

been

> such a help to you! As to the PMS, it sounds to me like you need

> progesterone. Your alternative doc likely knows about Women's

International

> Pharmacy. They make very high quality bioidentical hormone creams and

drops.

> They require a prescription but I find them more effective and less

> expensive, because you use less) than the over-the-counter creams from the

> HFS. Plus, you should bet money back if you submit your prescription

costs

> to your insurance carrier. That's what I do.

>

> All your symptoms sound related to estrogen dominance and progesterone

cream

> should bring that back into balance fairly easily.

>

> All the best,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for writing back. I take my Armour in the morning and then in the

afternoon I take my vitamin and again in the evening which does contain

goitrogens but it actually makes me feel better after I take it. Maybe I will

try upping my dosage and see what happens. Have you heard anything about DHEA?

Thanks again for your support(:

annah1149@... wrote:In a message dated 12/22/2002 9:00:46 PM Pacific

Standard Time,

dezign4you@... writes:

> Well, I was doing fairly well and things took a turn for the worse. I'm

> taking 60mg of Armour and also trying to exercise, although I only seem to

> make it to the gym twice a week. I've also been taking Juice Plus, which

> is a whole foods vitamin. I've got a great new boyfriend, a great new job

> and everything is going well for me so I should be happy, right? I really

> feel like crap, I'm tired all the time. I can't remember anything and I'm

> starting to feel like a real idiot.

Dear ,

I'm a little confused...Were you feeling okay until just recently regarding

the mental fog? Or have you had that all along and still haven't gotten rid

of it from before starting the Armour?

Does your whole food vitamin contain powdered goitrogens? (Powdered

broccoli, beet greens, kale, etc., or soy.) Or does it contain calcium or

iron that you might be taking too soon after you take your thyroid medicine?

Do you refrigerate your medicine to preserve maximum potency? Any of these

things could affect whether you are getting th emost out of your medicine.

Still, it sounds like either you are not on the right medicine for you or you

aren't on enough medicine to make the brain fog go away. It's damned

frustrating, for sure to figure out just what it is! If it was me, I'd

experiment on myself and increase my medicine a little at a time to see if it

helped me feel better. But that's just me. I'd call for a refill and then

if it helped I'd go see my doc a little earlier than usual and tell him/her I

found that more medicine helped. My present doc would go with it, I know,

but again, he's come to trust me that I can tell what my body needs, and a

little bit of conservative experimentation helps me find what works.

On the depression, fish oil caps have proven to be an effective

anti-depressant. Here's a rather longish but interesting article summing up

recent interest in using fish oil to assist folks maintain better mental

health. <A

HREF= " http://bipolar.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mhso\

urce.com%2Fpt%2Fp981222.html " >

http://bipolar.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mhsource

..com%2Fpt%2Fp981222.html</A>

I hope you will be able to track down some things that will help you feel

better,

[Guest guest]

Hello,

If you would please, write to me on tedstrikeruk@... and I

will talk to you about what to do. I've had problems with my

thyroid for years so I will try and help you.

Please write to me first what is wrong with your thyroid.

Darren

In a message dated 12/9/2002 12:52:25 PM

Pacific Standard Time,

> dezign4you@y... writes:

>

>

> > One problem I have been experiencing is irregular menstrual

cycles and PMS

> > symptoms like bloating, breast tenderness and irritability are

more severe

> > and lasting for well over a week. I used to have them just for

a few days.

> > Has anyone else experienced this and do you think maybe I need

more or

> > less Armour.

>

> Dear ,

>

> I'm so happy to hear you're feeling better and that Armour Thyroid

has been

> such a help to you! As to the PMS, it sounds to me like you need

> progesterone. Your alternative doc likely knows about Women's

International

> Pharmacy. They make very high quality bioidentical hormone creams

and drops.

> They require a prescription but I find them more effective and

less

> expensive, because you use less) than the over-the-counter creams

from the

> HFS. Plus, you should bet money back if you submit your

prescription costs

> to your insurance carrier. That's what I do.

>

> All your symptoms sound related to estrogen dominance and

progesterone cream

> should bring that back into balance fairly easily.

>

> All the best,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-I have had thyroid probs for well over a year now. I went on

meds which did help alot, but I still was not my normal old self. I

had major brain fog and was constantly anxious among other

things like fatigue. The two things I did was I started taking

omega 3 through fish oil, and I cut back/out almost all sugars

and stimulants from my diet. I don't know what happened, but I

feel NORMAL! My thyroid is functioning better, my doctor is

interested in lowering my meds to see how that goes. I got my

diet and supplement info from Dr. Mercola. His website is

mercola.com Hope this helps!

-- In hypothyroidism , Nunnally

<dezign4you@y...> wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

> Well, I was doing fairly well and things took a turn for the

worse. I'm taking 60mg of Armour and also trying to exercise,

although I only seem to make it to the gym twice a week. I've

also been taking Juice Plus, which is a whole foods vitamin. I've

got a great new boyfriend, a great new job and everything is

going well for me so I should be happy, right? I really feel like

crap, I'm tired all the time. I can't remember anything and I'm

starting to feel like a real idiot. I'm afraid to start my new job in a

week because they might find out how stupid I am. I've never

had these feelings of inferiority and fear before but they are

overpowering everything I do. I know none of you know what I

used to be like but I was confident, smart, and very sociable.

Now I try to avoid contact with people because I'm afraid I will get

nervous and make a fool out of myself. I'm also experiencing

terrible mood swings. Someone suggested I try progesterone

creme or taking a higher dose of Armour. I can't really afford to

go to the doctor right now so I'm just looking for suggestions

from anyone that has experienced this before. I'm only 29yo and

I can't imagine living the rest of my life feeling like this. Thanks

for listening, please write back(:

>

> annah1149@a... wrote:In a message dated 12/9/2002

12:52:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> dezign4you@y... writes:

>

>

> > One problem I have been experiencing is irregular menstrual

cycles and PMS

> > symptoms like bloating, breast tenderness and irritability are

more severe

> > and lasting for well over a week. I used to have them just for

a few days.

> > Has anyone else experienced this and do you think maybe I

need more or

> > less Armour.

>

> Dear ,

>

> I'm so happy to hear you're feeling better and that Armour

Thyroid has been

> such a help to you! As to the PMS, it sounds to me like you

need

> progesterone. Your alternative doc likely knows about

Women's International

> Pharmacy. They make very high quality bioidentical hormone

creams and drops.

> They require a prescription but I find them more effective and

less

> expensive, because you use less) than the over-the-counter

creams from the

> HFS. Plus, you should bet money back if you submit your

prescription costs

> to your insurance carrier. That's what I do.

>

> All your symptoms sound related to estrogen dominance and

progesterone cream

> should bring that back into balance fairly easily.

>

> All the best,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

What you've described happening to you after starting T3 sounds

similar to what I experienced with T3. Have you had your free T3

levels tested? It sounds like you have too much T3. I have not been

able to tolerate taking T3 and my symptoms continued to get worse

instead of better even when I lowered the dose. My symptoms were

pretty much gone, though, the day after I stopped taking T3.

Now, for the muscle cramps . . . Have you tried taking CLA? or

calcium? or stretching? How much exercise do you get? Exercise often

alleviates these kinds of cramps, but only if you are also stretching,

drinking enough water, and getting the right nutrients. I do well with

a high calcium intake (as long as I don't take the calcium too close

to when I take my levothyroxine). You might need to supplement other

electrolytes as well (potassium, magnesium, sodium).

Boredom with your job could also be a factor. If you can't change

jobs, can you find a way to make your work more interesting? Or maybe

find something more interesting to do in leisure time? I'm thankful

that both my work and my leisure are interesting and challenging. Of

course, it's also important to learn how to relax (as with yoga,

meditation, etc.). Life is all about balance.

Happy Holidays!

With aloha,

Celeste

Codling wrote:

> I now am seeking alternative help and got a Drs name from the

Thyroid support group in the UK he is not an endo but seems to

specialise in this area.

>

> He saw me and said I had all the hallmarks of a Hypo persons , bags

under the eyes. not alert and dull.

> Just to recap I was taking 100mcr of T4 and 1.25 alternative days..

felt awful and lazy .

> He upped the dose to 1.25 every day I noticed that I was getting

short of breath , this was explained to my diaphragm going into spasm

and is quite common in Hypo patients... Have you heard of this before,

he added 10 mcr of T3, for two weks then move to 20 mcr.This was this

Sat, the first thing I noticed I started going to the loo a lot then

could not sleep. Sunday yesterday I slept all day, and keep breaking

out in sweats, today I feel really depressed and morose and hot one

minute and shivers the next, well not bad shivers just down my back. I

all feel very itchy on my skin. Very depressed and foggy in my head I

have never had this before.. also like somebody has given me a

sleeping draft and I have no appetite. just thirsty.

>

> I am surprised I can tolerate this jump in meds.. I do feel really

bad is this normal and will it go away. sometime I wonder if its not

the T4 but something else missing but what is it. My heart rate went

up in the 90+ Sat but now has settled down.

>

[Guest guest]

Darren,

I think that the point of this list is to share what you know with all

of us . . . not to try to diagnose someone privately. I don't

understand what your objective is.

Best wishes,

Celeste

Darren wrote:

> If you would please, write to me on tedstrikeruk@y... and I

> will talk to you about what to do. I've had problems with my

> thyroid for years so I will try and help you.

> Please write to me first what is wrong with your thyroid.