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Hi Genny and welcome to the group...I am sure you have already received many

welcomes and I as usual am late in my e-mail....

My name is Luanne and I also am a mom on the list....I have a 17 yr old son

who has PSC...I have been on the list for 2 years and other lists for more

than I would like to think about...Tyler has some other auto-immune

diseases....He is a senior in HS...

What is your daughters name....does she also have a computer....and is she

interested in joining us....Tyler really wants nothing to do with being on

the list....He just wants to do the things his friends do and go to

school...and even there he is limited...so I don't push the group on

him....He knows of some of the members because I talk to my husband about

them...etc...but that is his limit here....

Well I hope to talk to you soon...

Luanne Ty's mom

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Hi Luanne, thank you so much for the welcome. My daughter's name is Jodi and

she was diagnosed with AIH in Feb. and we were told she is in what they think

is between the first and second stage of Cirrhosis. I say think because her

platelets have not been high enough for her to have a biopsy. Her

hepatologist says it is to risky and he can tell by the x-rays that there is

cirrhosis. I am confused about some of these illnesses. Please tell me what

Tyler has. My mother also has been diagnosed with TPI. Of course like AIH

they don't know how you get it or why. Both are being treated with

Prednisone. Where do you live? We live in central Florida and no my

daughter does not have a computer. She has a 2 yr. old son and it takes all

she can do to work and keep up with him. She is tired most of the time but

thank the Lord she is still able and likes her job working for a pedo

dentist. Enjoyed talking to you. I know you feel as I do, I wish it were me

and not her. Take care and my best to Tyler. Genny

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Thank you for your thoughts, prayers and support, I hope your daughter gets

better

also. Not very many people reply to my posts for some reason. I have tried

to be

friendly and helpful. My thoughts and prayers will be with you for your

daughter also.

God Bless, - Genny, do you know who left the group I must have missed

something because I haven't felt well the last three or four days and have

not been online.

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Genny

Thanks for thinking of us....I know I tend to not post very

consistently....wish I could...so many I read about and would like to write

to.....I even save them figuring I will get back to them....never

happens....I need more time in the day and more days in my week.....I guess

we all could use that....

Ty is feeling better....the pred is helping with the size of his spleen....He

has gone back to school...although Monday he ended up coming home with a

migraine...it seems to always be something....we are waiting to hear from his

doctors to see what they are going to do for treatment since he can't do the

Remicade anymore....We should find out this week.....

How is Jodi feeling.....I think I remember reading that she had bronchitis

and that her lowering of pred was not going smoothly...Sometimes they have to

go back up and come down more slowly...I know that when my boys were on it

they would have to come down real slow and then go to an every other day

dose....that always seemed to work better for them....I know I have read that

some others on here have done the same....I guess some of our bodies just

need more time to adjust,,,,

Genny ...how are you doing....I know as the mom it is a tough job....I so

want to put that bubble around Ty....hate seeing him not feel well....and I

have been around this for a while....but this so new for you.....

Tell Jodi we are thinking of her too....

Luanne Ty's mom

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It is too bad that the people that you work with are not more understanding,

but it's

not happening to them so it dosen't matter. So many people don't understand

liver disease even my own family they think just go on a diet and everything

will be ok.

I gave up trying to explain so I don't anymore. You know what really get's

me is my

girlfriends grandson was having a very bad time at 2 years old he had to have

open heart surgery and they were having a benefit for him and there were two

reporters

there to do the story and we got on a discussion of different and I said what

upsets me is that you never hear anything about liver diseases or for help

that those people need and you know what his remark was I don't care how old

a person is it's their

own faults because all liver diseases are caused by booze they do it to

themselves.

I took one look at him straight in the eyes and said I don't and have never

been much of a drinker and I have a liver disease he turned white as a ghost

and I slapped him

across the face he had me so upset I could have been arrested for assualt I

quess,

but he never did or said another thing, he attempeted to apologize by saying

I quess

I was playing God, but I walked away and all during the benefit he kept

watching me

probably thought I would plow him again. I am not a violent person but when

someone that knows nothing about liver disease makes a remark like that it

made my blood boil. Just wanted you to know that I know how hard it is to

work with someone that dosen't understand. Hugs,

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In a message dated 10/07/2000 12:40:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Babycolt98102690@... writes:

<< Some have said I though only alcohol caused Cirrhosis. >>

Hi Genny,

There are causes of cirrhosis,

Hepatitis

Cardiac

Diabetes

Alcohol

and the rest are here...

http://www.gastro.com/liverpg/cirrhos.htm

My Primary Care Physician has a medical assistant, she was reading my chart

when she was getting me ready for the doctor to come in...she turned to me

and said as sweetly and nice as she could.

" Joan, you don't look like an alcoholic, how did you get cirrhosis? "

As Sweetly and nicely as I could, I replied, As a medical professional,

first you should never prejudge someone because of the disease they have.

Second, before you open your mouth about something you know nothing about,

You should keep it shut, thus removing your ignorance. Third, I will

educate you about my dragon disease I have been blessed with. Which I did

and the doctor came in to see why she was with me so long. I told him with a

smile on my face. She will ask me questions about the disease, that makes me

feel good because she wants to learn.

My Cardiologyst is studying the liver since I have hepatitis. He said I am a

challenge to him....Wonder what that means????.....LOL...my husband says the

same thing....LOL...

Love ya'll, have a great day, remember to laugh all day. Laughter is music to

the heart and very healing. Soooooo, laugh a lot, love a lot, and be healthy,

especially love a lot, the more love you give the more you get in return.....

Joan, Florida

AIH, 1 Gall Stone, HBP

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..... with all due respect....

Alcoholism is a disease also and deserves

no less respect in of itself than say diabetes, cancer, or even AIH. The

AMA recognizes it as a chronic, progressive disease with no known cure .

An alcoholic drinks because he/she HAS to, it`s part of his disease and

without help will die. An alcoholic is no less moral than anyone else

and is not someone who should be looked down upon any more than the

diabetic.. he needs help just as much as those of us with AIH. People

who denigrate an alcoholic are ignorant and should be educated. (Please

know this is not an attack on you.) To those peop[le who are being

insensitive to you... a liver diseae is a liver disease no matter how

you got it.

love and serenity

jerry

transplant ``95

AIH `00

Multiple myeloma `97

recovered alcoholic 4/29/94--today

It is too bad that the people that you work with are not more understanding,

but it's

not happening to them so it dosen't matter. So many people don't understand

liver disease even my own family they think just go on a diet and everything

will be ok.

I gave up trying to explain so I don't anymore. You know what really get's

me is my

girlfriends grandson was having a very bad time at 2 years old he had to have

open heart surgery and they were having a benefit for him and there were two

reporters

there to do the story and we got on a discussion of different and I said what

upsets me is that you never hear anything about liver diseases or for help

that those people need and you know what his remark was I don't care how old

a person is it's their

own faults because all liver diseases are caused by booze they do it to

themselves.

I took one look at him straight in the eyes and said I don't and have never

been much of a drinker and I have a liver disease he turned white as a ghost

and I slapped him

across the face he had me so upset I could have been arrested for assualt I

quess,

but he never did or said another thing, he attempeted to apologize by saying

I quess

I was playing God, but I walked away and all during the benefit he kept

watching me

probably thought I would plow him again. I am not a violent person but when

someone that knows nothing about liver disease makes a remark like that it

made my blood boil. Just wanted you to know that I know how hard it is to

work with someone that dosen't understand. Hugs,

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Joan... this is the trouble with people from my point of view.. What

does an alcoholic LOOK like? If you were to see me you would say the

same thing... " you don`t look like an alcoholic. " Prejudice abounds..

....... alcoholics look a certain way

....... cirrhosis means your an alcoholic

........ black people commit crimes

........ hispanics are lazy

you get my drift... alcoholism is a disease that can affect anybody ...

even you.

jerry

AIH

MM

alcoholic

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mary,

not only do outside people understand nor care about us with aih, i just came

from my granddaughters birthday and one of my daughters friends that i am

friends with also, but dont see a lot, said that my daughter said that i was

getting better. A LOT THEY KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!if i was getting better, would i

feel so damn misrable all the time. i told her on the outside i looked pretty

good, but inside my liver is holding its own. i was upset with my daughter at

that time but could not take it out on the friend. good for you to set that

reporter straight.

linda satx

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Hi there....Thanks for keeping Ty in your thoughts....Hopefully he will start

to feel better soon...still home from school...enough though at night he

tells me " I am going tomorrw " ....I realize how tough this has been on him

even though he loves to put up a front....

Monday when he was home from school I had to leave for a short time to visit

my mom in the Rehab.....while I was gone he got one of his bloody

noses.....and when I got home he sitting in a chair with bloody tissues all

over....he was a little upset....I think just the fact that I wasn't

here....he is so used to me being here....its that thing of even though he

doesn't always ask for help he knows I am within yelling distance...and the

bloody nose thing is rather scary...Its been the last 2 years that they come

out of the blue and they are really hard to stop....Most likely because of

his very low playlets....then tues I had to go to SS to get my moy on

Medicaid...so had to be gone again....No nose bleeds thought....Now today I

am leaving in about 30 minutes to go to the doctor with my mom...and then

back to Rehab for a meeting to discuss her stay there and insurance

stuff.....I will be able to run back home to check in on him but this running

around is wearing me down....

How is Jodi doing.....Wasn't she going to see some new doctors in a different

hosp....or am I getting people confused here....Not hard to do with so many

people....

Well I have to get ready to run for the day....

Take care of yourself and let Jodi know that there are people out here who

think of her...

Luanne Ty's mom

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Genny, i am looking into the new doctor now. As i was telling another, the dr

is retiring in 3 years so we just as well find another one anyway. I called

for an app today and he can not see him until Nov 10th. That upset me. I

think that .. .. we;; i am not sure what i think. The nurse told me that this

was perfectly normal and that as long as they were monitering his labs every

one to 2 weeks, which they are, that there is really no rush to see him. I

just don't know.. The nurse will talk to me forever and ever and she is

supportive but i want more.

Someone tell me this.... is it important to know what type of AIH you have

and if so why? that has been worrying me.

Hunt had a good day yesterday due to the pred BUT the KID felt so good that

he went out with friends last night, behaved but since he did not have class

today, he stayed out till about 3am and slept till 2 pm today. This cannot be

good for him. He said i just felt so good and i haven't felt like doing

anything lately. No doubt about it, he is still a teen.

Love to you and Jodi

Rosemary

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Rosemary,

Your son may feel good and try to push his limit we all do that. But be

prepared to suffer for it. Many of us try to take advantage of the good days

but the body will take you down and let you know you have done way to much

even on Pred. joint pain, fatigue, weakness. All over sick feeling and

affecting his labs. This will be where the depression can take over. When you

are forced to slow down. I use to work two businesses and played hard

sometimes not sleeping for a day and a half when I got sick. I almost died

for my lifestyle but I couldn't accept being sick. Now I am lucky to keep up

with my house cleaning. Taking naps is much better.

gayle/trans.6-99

galye@... ^0^

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Shireen my doctor gave me priority precisely because I am on

immunodepressants ...... His other patients had to get on a waiting

list.....

you might see if that holds true with any of your doctors.....

jerry

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..... Bactrim is prescribed to liver transplant patients as a

guard against pneumonia. Because transplant receipients must take

immunsuppressants every day for the rest of thier life they are

particularly prone to viral pneumonia.I took it after transplant but for

some reason it wasn`t deemed good for me. Instead I would go to the

Cleve Clinic regularly and go trough a procedure where I inhaled an

antibiotic.I went 8 (?)

times or so and they didn`t reshcedule me

so I thought nothing of it. Apparently, though I should have either been

rescheduled or given a script for Bactrim.

I know other transplants who take Bactrim regularly 3-4 times a week.

Wouldn`t it seem likely if Bactrim were that harmful to a liver no one

would be scripted it? I received a very healthy liver as do most

transplanted people. Lots of things are hard on livers but we ingest

them every day. It`s when one has advanced liver disease that he must be

careful what is taken . They were surprised when I told them I hadn`t

taken Bactrim in over 4 yrs, and told I was suppose to be on it. I

replied that I didn`t know that as I had never been given a

prescription, Of course now I been Dx with AIH, so I don`t know what the

deal is. I`m supposed to

see the Hep. on my transplant team next week so I guess I`ll find out.

In the meantime I was reminded to get a flu shot And also a pneumonia

shot.,.. which I did.

Jerry

Jerry - Are you aware that Bactrim is not a liver friendly drug? I was on it

for seven days, twice a day and really paid for it with upper right quadrant

pain and nausea.

Why do the doctors want you on Bactrim if you don't mind me asking? Take

care,

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..... I looked up Bactrim.... and it said essentially what I just

posted.... it is given to patients who are immunosuppressed as

protection against pneumonia. It is contraindicated in patients with

MARKED

hepatic Damage.......( it is not friendly to those livers that are in

advanced stages of liver disease....cirrhosis).... but healthy livers

handle it just fine. It is a very common drug and is used exstensively.

My liver is still fairly healthy. We can`t be afraid of everything or we

would have no life.

Respectfully Jerry

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Hi Jerry, no I haven't gotten my flu shot yet. Jodi was suppose to find out

about her having one, will have to ask her if she did. Yes, she is feeling

better. The Prilosec is helping a lot. She now has to stay away from green

leafy veg. I don't know what she is going to live on. Take care, and have a

good week. God bless, Genny

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Hi Genny,

How is Jodi feeling? I hope she is doing better. Sorry it took me so long

to write back....

May I ask how old she is and when she was diagnosed? She is in the

cirhossis stage of AIH? I'm so sorry to hear that...

I bet Colton is the light of her life! Is she able to work or is she on

disability?

thanks for your support,

Beth, AIH 10/00, MI

Re: [ ] Beth

> Hi Beth, how are you today? Jodi was doing OK but last couple of labs

have

> not been very good and I had her in the ER Monday night with terrible

> abdominal pain. The ER doctor was on the phone with her Gastro Dr. many

> times. He found she has a kidney infection and also gastro.....itis don't

> know why to spell it. She didn't have to spend the night but had to see

> Gastro. next morning. He gave her med. to help her stomach so she can

keep

> food down. She takes 22 pills a day and as you will find out your stomach

> pays big time. She has the pictures of her endoscopy and it looks

> awful...........Yes, she has a little boy (Colton) that's two and a half.

> They waited six years before having a child and thank God they had him

when

> they did. Her Hepatologist in Miami told her what ever she did not to get

> preg. With her platelets being so low she would bleed to death. Beth if

I

> were you and wanted more children I would talk to the doctor about having

> them as soon as possible. Please understand, I'm not trying to scare you

but

> in Jodi's case we know things are going to get a lot worse before they get

> better. We know she has cirrhosis and her Hepatologist said it's only a

> matter of time before he will put her on the transplant list. We go back

to

> see him Nov. 20, which is a four hour drive for us. Even though it's

hard,

> keep a positive attitude, that goes a long way in helping your health.

Also

> pray the research they are doing will have a breakthrough..........Hug

that

> baby of yours for me. Take care and God bless. Write anytime about

> anything. Genny/Jodi's Mom/Florida

>

>

>

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The Carolina's are beautiful and really not all that cold. We MAY have one snow fall a year but that is about it..

I used to live in Clearwater, Fl. We loved it and hubby would move there tomorrow if he could but I couldn't stand the heat. Maybe your husband and I should get together and you and my husband. LOL

Rosemary

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Genny, I didn't remember that Jodi was just diagnosed in Feb. WOW, things really moved fast didn't they? I am really sorry that ya'll are having to deal with this. What made them come to the conclusion that she needed to be on the list? Did her enzyme level ever get to normal? Do they think that she had AIH for a long time before she was diagnosed? I just didn't know that this COULD happen this fast. I am just really dumbfounded. You two are in my prayers.

Rosemary

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Hi Genny,

I stated going to the U of M in 1967. I was driving down the street

one day and I started see double as the ripe old age of 21, and I had just

had a baby then 6 months old. The eye doctor referred me to the U of M

department of Neurology for testing to diagnose my problem. I saw a Dr

Darroff, who after all these years I still keep in touch with. I

was diagnosed with Myasthenia Gravis after 8 years in went into remission

and have not heard from it since. Thank God. So when I was diagnosed with

PSC I immediately called him he is now at Case Western in Ohio, And he told

me to see no one else expect Dr Schiff or someone from his group. He said

they are the best, and they are. Myasthenia Gravis is also an Auto immune

disease.

I don't know much about AIH, a little since I found the group.

Prays & good health.

Judy

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