Re: Intolerance of thyroid meds / adrenal fatigue?

[Guest guest]

Sally, how old are you? It sounds like you need adrenal or other hormones

that work with thyroid, like dhea/progesterone. This happened to me too.

Gracia

> Hi All

>

> I am beginning to wonder whether I can tolerate more than 1/2 grain Armour

> for my thyroid.

>

> I was diagnosed Hypo / Hashi's at the beginning of April. I started off

> taking 1/2 grain Armour. When I increased to 1 grain I developed

dizziness,

> fast heart rate and leg weakness after about a week. I dropped back to 1/2

> grain for about 3 weeks. Then my doc added in 25mcg T4 and after about a

> week, I started experiencing dizziness whenever I moved my head, mainly in

> the evenings. Now after another week, the dizziness is much improved,

> although my heart rate is still quite high (96 bpm). My recent blood

> pressure was 130/100 up from 125/65.

>

> Could my adrenals be affecting my ability to tolerate the thyroid meds? My

> Adrenal Stress Profile before treatment showed low-normal Cortisol and

very

> elevated DHEA-S. Also, when I did the questionnaire in " Adrenal Fatigue:

The

> 21st Century Stress Syndrome " by L , I came out as having

severe

> adrenal fatigue.

>

> I have been taking medicine from a herbalist for my adrenals for 3 weeks,

> but so far I have not noticed any difference. I am still very tired and

> foggy, no energy as well as weight gain, dry skin, sensitivity to sun,

> gritty eyes, dark circles under eyes, sore throats, palpitations,

sweating,

> frequent colds / viral infections, brittle nails, wispy hair, sparse hair

on

> forearms & lower legs, headaches, joint pain, intolerance of cold, cold

> feet, forgetfulness, lack of motivation, depression, anxiety, cry easily,

> difficulty coping with stress, startle easily, carbohydrate cravings, low

> basal temperature ... I could go on!.

>

> My doc is not keen on using Cortisol & prefers to support the adrenals

> herbally. Can this really help? How long will it take?

>

> I was thinking of taking adrenal glandulars - has anyone taken them? Did

> they help? How long before you felt any improvement?

>

> I am becoming very despondent. I just want to feel like a human being

again!

>

> Thanks for listening

>

> Sally (UK)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gracia

I'm 39. I would love to try hydrocortisone, but my doctor isn't keen. I've

got an email consultation with her next week and I'm hoping to try &

persuade her to try it, although I don't hold out much hope.

I am reluctant to try DHEA as it was very elevated in my adrenal profile.

Don't want to end up with a hairy face or something! LOL!

How did you manage to overcome your intolerance to thyroid meds?

Thanks

Sally (UK)

Re: Intolerance of thyroid meds / adrenal fatigue?

>

> Sally, how old are you? It sounds like you need adrenal or other hormones

> that work with thyroid, like dhea/progesterone. This happened to me too.

> Gracia

>

[Guest guest]

Sally,

I think you are probably right that more DHEA is not what you need

right now. However, DHEA won't cause androgenic reactions in women.

Excess DHEA converts mainly to estrogen. Any excess testosterone is

also converted to estrogen. This could explain some of the symptoms

you're having . . . the ones that are similar to estogen dominance

(forgetfulness, cry easily, carbohydrate cravings).

I hope you have some success in getting cortisol and that it helps.

Best wishes for excellent health,

Celeste

Sally Lazarus wrote:

> I am reluctant to try DHEA as it was very elevated in my adrenal

profile.

> Don't want to end up with a hairy face or something! LOL!

[Guest guest]

Hi

Adrenal support can be a number of things, including prednisolone (SP?). The

one I would like to try is hydrocortisone - this is very similar to the

hormone made by the body and is supposed to be safe in physiologic doses, ie

doses which are no more than the body would make (less than 20mg). My doctor

is not keen to use hydrocortisone. I have ordered " Safe Uses of Cortisol " by

Dr McK Jefferies from amazon.com in the hope that there is info in there

that would persuade her to try it.

I am currently taking a herbal adrenal support medicine (from a herbalist)

which consists of Echinacea, Liquorice, Dandelion Root, Gotu Kola, Hare's

Tail, St 's Wort and Sheng Di Huang. Can't say I have noticed much

difference yet (after 3 weeks)

There is a product called AD206 Adrenal support complex which consists of

various herbs and vitamins. You can get this from

http://shop.positivehealthshop.co.uk/. I have been taking it for a couple of

months, but I'm not sure it has made a difference.

Adrenal glandulars which are extracts of bovine adrenals can also be used to

support adrenals. You can get them from http://www.nutricentre.com. Click on

Nutri West, then Multivitamins/minerals/nutrients I have ordered some,

although they haven't arrived yet.

HTH

Sally (UK)

RE: Intolerance of thyroid meds / adrenal fatigue?

>

>

> Sally or board what is adrenal support Is this pregnisolone? if so are you

on that for live as this can be dangerous. What other support can you buy

over the counter.

>

> C

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/2/2002 11:17:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

sal@... writes:

> I am beginning to wonder whether I can tolerate more than 1/2 grain Armour

> for my thyroid.

>

> I was diagnosed Hypo / Hashi's at the beginning of April. I started off

> taking 1/2 grain Armour. When I increased to 1 grain I developed dizziness,

> fast heart rate and leg weakness after about a week. I dropped back to 1/2

> grain for about 3 weeks. Then my doc added in 25mcg T4 and after about a

> week, I started experiencing dizziness whenever I moved my head, mainly in

> the evenings. Now after another week, the dizziness is much improved,

> although my heart rate is still quite high (96 bpm). My recent blood

> pressure was 130/100 up from 125/65.

>

> Could my adrenals be affecting my ability to tolerate the thyroid meds?

Sally,

While I can't answer your last question, I just wanted to mention that

Armour, so vaunted, made me very, very ill. It just wasn't the medicine for

me. There is so much positive stuff written about it that I wanted to take

it very much. I'd had a horrid time on synthroid, did better when my old

endo let me have Cytomel to go along with it but he wouldn't let me have more

than the teensiest daily dose of it. I'd expected Armour would really make

me feel well, what with the combo of T4 and T3. But instead, I went from bad

(on Synthroid/Cytomel) to worse on Armour. For me, getting on a T3 only

medicine (timed-release as set out in the protocol for 's Thyroid

Syndrome) was what I needed.

I also felt I needed adrenal support but couldn't get either my old endo or

my current, more holistic doc, to give me anything for it. So, I did the

best I could by taking one of those glandular adrenal supplements from the

health food store at night before I went to sleep. This was at the peak of

my difficulties breathing, sleeping, sleep apnea, very loud snoring,

inability to catch my breath during the day. I found I did better on

supplement varieties that had more adrenal glandular and less herbs, kelp,

etc. If I woke up in the middle of the night, clenched and tight in my ribs

from not being able to breathe, I took another adrenal cap. This went on for

about three months. Eventually, I think the combo of the timed-release T3

and the self-prescribed adrenal supplement kicked in and I began sleeping

better at night. The constant anxious feeling began to subside and I was

better able to breathe laying down and while sleeping. My husband reported I

no longer struggled for breath during my sleep and my sleep apnea symptoms

diminished.

When that happened, I took only one adrenal cap at bedtime, then when I felt

siginificantly better overall from the thyroid medicine, I discontinued the

adrenal support. At times of stress in my life, though, I bring the adrenal

support back to my nightstand and use it for however long it takes for me to

get feeling more relaxed during sleep again.

in LA

[Guest guest]

Hi

I really sympathise with your problem. Looks like we are in roughly the same

boat.

I have been getting very disillusioned lately as nothing seems to help. As

well as the AD206 and the herbal tincture I am taking (mentioned in my other

message), I am also taking a whole load of vitamins & Minerals :

HIGHER NATURE Essential Balance EFAs (Omega 3, 6, 9, GLA)

Higher Nature Osteofood (Vit C, Vit D, Calcium, Magnesium, Boron,

Horsetail)

BioCare Vitamin B Complex

Boots sustained release Zinc & Vit C

Jarrow Formulas Methylcobalamin Lozenges (High dose B12)

Higher Nature Serotone 5HTP

These are all available from http://shop.positivehealthshop.co.uk/ apart

from the B12 which comes from http://www.vitaminuk.com/

I'm sure some decent adrenal support (hydrocortisone) would help, but

getting it prescribed is quite a challenge.

Also, try getting a copy of " Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress

Syndrome " by L as it has quite a bit of useful info. (You can

get it from amazon.co.uk)

I agree that we should keep in touch as we may be able to help each other

(although I am the other side of the country from you, in Devon)

Is your GP treating your thyroid problem? I assume you had to go private to

get Armour? I had to go private as my GP declared my thyroid " normal "

without even bothering to test antibodies. (Jerk!) Needless to say I tested

positive for Hashimotos! I had to make a 400 mile round-trip to get my

diagnosis! (My herbalist says that I am a classic case of hypothyroid - she

could tell just by looking at me. Now why couldn't my GP see it???!)

All the best

Sally (UK)

PS " Reader's Digest " Guide to Vitamins, Minerals and Supplements is also an

excellent source of info about which supplements can help.

RE: Intolerance of thyroid meds / adrenal fatigue?

> Sally

>

> In a funny sort of way you have cheered me up. I had my thryriod removed

in October 1999 due to Amiodarone. I do not take any other meds now except

Thyroxin. I am exactly the same as you, in fact I thought this was an old

mail of mine that somebody was answering to. I have slept most of the day

> today and just started to wake up, I have one other major difference to

you, when on T4 or eltroxin I get this itchy right lung and joint pains.

The armour cured this all but after two weeks on I/2 grain my heart went too

fast and I got short of breath.

>

> As we are both in the UK can we keep in touch please as the drugs name

here will be the same for both of us. I feel we are missing something in

our body what I do not know I have tried vitamins Royal Jelly DHEA but that

caused a terrible headache. any ideas??

>

> Many thanks

>

> C

> Ps I am in Hornchurch Essex.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sally, I have read about the book Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jeffries, it

is a good one I think. I think I was in the same situation as you, Armour

helped but I was still a wreck. I needed other hormones; progesterone and

dhea helped me especially. When I added these I began to feel better, but

then went through a wild time, where every six weeks I would experience new

symptoms, like chronic fatigue, depression etc. It took a year, maybe 15

mos. to even out. I got a trial of cortisol but couldn't take it after one

week--I just needed to slowly get better. I think I was tested for dhea

and told it was ok, but it did help me. 5-10 mg is a small amount.

Gracia

> Hi

>

> Adrenal support can be a number of things, including prednisolone (SP?).

The

> one I would like to try is hydrocortisone - this is very similar to the

> hormone made by the body and is supposed to be safe in physiologic doses,

ie

> doses which are no more than the body would make (less than 20mg). My

doctor

> is not keen to use hydrocortisone. I have ordered " Safe Uses of Cortisol "

by

> Dr McK Jefferies from amazon.com in the hope that there is info in there

> that would persuade her to try it.

>

> I am currently taking a herbal adrenal support medicine (from a herbalist)

> which consists of Echinacea, Liquorice, Dandelion Root, Gotu Kola, Hare's

> Tail, St 's Wort and Sheng Di Huang. Can't say I have noticed much

> difference yet (after 3 weeks)

>

> There is a product called AD206 Adrenal support complex which consists of

> various herbs and vitamins. You can get this from

> http://shop.positivehealthshop.co.uk/. I have been taking it for a couple

of

> months, but I'm not sure it has made a difference.

>

> Adrenal glandulars which are extracts of bovine adrenals can also be used

to

> support adrenals. You can get them from http://www.nutricentre.com. Click

on

> Nutri West, then Multivitamins/minerals/nutrients I have ordered some,

> although they haven't arrived yet.

>

> HTH

>

> Sally (UK)

>

>

> RE: Intolerance of thyroid meds / adrenal

fatigue?

>

>

> >

> >

> > Sally or board what is adrenal support Is this pregnisolone? if so are

you

> on that for live as this can be dangerous. What other support can you buy

> over the counter.

> >

> > C

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think you are thinking of prednisone, a synthetic substitute for

cortisol, which ends up damaging the adrenals. Cortisol is safe when used

properly at low doses.

Gracia

>

>

> Sally or board what is adrenal support Is this pregnisolone? if so are you

on that for live as this can be dangerous. What other support can you buy

over the counter.

>

> C

>

> Sally, how old are you? It sounds like you need adrenal or other hormones

> that work with thyroid, like dhea/progesterone. This happened to me too.

> Gracia

>

> > Hi All

> >

> > I am beginning to wonder whether I can tolerate more than 1/2 grain

Armour

> > for my thyroid.

> >

> > I was diagnosed Hypo / Hashi's at the beginning of April. I started off

> > taking 1/2 grain Armour. When I increased to 1 grain I developed

> dizziness,

> > fast heart rate and leg weakness after about a week. I dropped back to

1/2

> > grain for about 3 weeks. Then my doc added in 25mcg T4 and after about a

> > week, I started experiencing dizziness whenever I moved my head, mainly

in

> > the evenings. Now after another week, the dizziness is much improved,

> > although my heart rate is still quite high (96 bpm). My recent blood

> > pressure was 130/100 up from 125/65.

> >

> > Could my adrenals be affecting my ability to tolerate the thyroid meds?

My

> > Adrenal Stress Profile before treatment showed low-normal Cortisol and

> very

> > elevated DHEA-S. Also, when I did the questionnaire in " Adrenal Fatigue:

> The

> > 21st Century Stress Syndrome " by L , I came out as having

> severe

> > adrenal fatigue.

> >

> > I have been taking medicine from a herbalist for my adrenals for 3

weeks,

> > but so far I have not noticed any difference. I am still very tired and

> > foggy, no energy as well as weight gain, dry skin, sensitivity to sun,

> > gritty eyes, dark circles under eyes, sore throats, palpitations,

> sweating,

> > frequent colds / viral infections, brittle nails, wispy hair, sparse

hair

> on

> > forearms & lower legs, headaches, joint pain, intolerance of cold, cold

> > feet, forgetfulness, lack of motivation, depression, anxiety, cry

easily,

> > difficulty coping with stress, startle easily, carbohydrate cravings,

low

> > basal temperature ... I could go on!.

> >

> > My doc is not keen on using Cortisol & prefers to support the adrenals

> > herbally. Can this really help? How long will it take?

> >

> > I was thinking of taking adrenal glandulars - has anyone taken them? Did

> > they help? How long before you felt any improvement?

> >

> > I am becoming very despondent. I just want to feel like a human being

> again!

> >

> > Thanks for listening

> >

> > Sally (UK)

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi

Yes, the idea of taking hydrocortisone is to support your adrenals for a

short period of time. It is only taken in small doses and is not supposed to

cause side-effects (see Adrenal Problems on www.thyroiduk.org and

http://www.medical-library.net/sites/wilson%27s_syndrome.html)

Also read " Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome " by L

as it has lots of info about adrenal treatment, including cortisone.

There's also info on adrenals and thyroid on www.drrind.com including a

" Metabolic Scorecard " which helps determine which symptoms are adrenal,

which are thyroid and which are both

http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp

Sally

RE: Intolerance of thyroid meds / adrenal fatigue?

>

>

> Sally I have just replied to you off of the board but I am a little

concerned about taking a steroid for long periods as this can cause lots of

side effects etc.

> Are you saying this is the treatment or are you saying that you take a

steroid for a while to pick you up then stopped them?

>

> C

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/5/2002 7:13:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, circe@...

writes:

> Only when I got compounded estrogen,

> progesterone, Armour, dhea, all at the right dose, did I start to heal.

> That's because my adrenal glands had been covering for my lack of thyroid

> all my life, and there was nothing left.

Gracia,

So tell me, how did you personally figure out a) what you needed and, the

right mix and balance? By guess and by golly? Be testing? Saliva?

Holistic doc? Nutritionist? And if you're so sick when you first go on

something how can you tell it's a " good " kind of sick or a " this is leading

nowhere " kind of sick?

[Guest guest]

HI , I have been meaning to get back to your email, but I think I have

probably said this before but oh well. When you get very ill on Armour,

first what that means is that Armour is really doing it's job, but needs

other hormones to work with. I discovered this for myself and then read it

at broda barnes site. First I was given estrogen and progesterone to lower

blood pressure and it helped a bit. Only when I got compounded estrogen,

progesterone, Armour, dhea, all at the right dose, did I start to heal.

That's because my adrenal glands had been covering for my lack of thyroid

all my life, and there was nothing left. I suspect that at some point you

will need some natural hormones. But I know you have a good treatment now.

Gracia

> In a message dated 6/2/2002 11:17:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> sal@... writes:

>

>

> > I am beginning to wonder whether I can tolerate more than 1/2 grain

Armour

> > for my thyroid.

> >

> > I was diagnosed Hypo / Hashi's at the beginning of April. I started off

> > taking 1/2 grain Armour. When I increased to 1 grain I developed

dizziness,

> > fast heart rate and leg weakness after about a week. I dropped back to

1/2

> > grain for about 3 weeks. Then my doc added in 25mcg T4 and after about a

> > week, I started experiencing dizziness whenever I moved my head, mainly

in

> > the evenings. Now after another week, the dizziness is much improved,

> > although my heart rate is still quite high (96 bpm). My recent blood

> > pressure was 130/100 up from 125/65.

> >

> > Could my adrenals be affecting my ability to tolerate the thyroid meds?

>

> Sally,

>

> While I can't answer your last question, I just wanted to mention that

> Armour, so vaunted, made me very, very ill. It just wasn't the medicine

for

> me. There is so much positive stuff written about it that I wanted to

take

> it very much. I'd had a horrid time on synthroid, did better when my old

> endo let me have Cytomel to go along with it but he wouldn't let me have

more

> than the teensiest daily dose of it. I'd expected Armour would really

make

> me feel well, what with the combo of T4 and T3. But instead, I went from

bad

> (on Synthroid/Cytomel) to worse on Armour. For me, getting on a T3 only

> medicine (timed-release as set out in the protocol for 's Thyroid

> Syndrome) was what I needed.

>

> I also felt I needed adrenal support but couldn't get either my old endo

or

> my current, more holistic doc, to give me anything for it. So, I did the

> best I could by taking one of those glandular adrenal supplements from the

> health food store at night before I went to sleep. This was at the peak

of

> my difficulties breathing, sleeping, sleep apnea, very loud snoring,

> inability to catch my breath during the day. I found I did better on

> supplement varieties that had more adrenal glandular and less herbs, kelp,

> etc. If I woke up in the middle of the night, clenched and tight in my

ribs

> from not being able to breathe, I took another adrenal cap. This went on

for

> about three months. Eventually, I think the combo of the timed-release T3

> and the self-prescribed adrenal supplement kicked in and I began sleeping

> better at night. The constant anxious feeling began to subside and I was

> better able to breathe laying down and while sleeping. My husband

reported I

> no longer struggled for breath during my sleep and my sleep apnea symptoms

> diminished.

>

> When that happened, I took only one adrenal cap at bedtime, then when I

felt

> siginificantly better overall from the thyroid medicine, I discontinued

the

> adrenal support. At times of stress in my life, though, I bring the

adrenal

> support back to my nightstand and use it for however long it takes for me

to

> get feeling more relaxed during sleep again.

>

> in LA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/5/2002 4:13:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, circe@...

writes:

> For many months I

> wasn't sure everything was right but I was sort of functioning normally

> again, instead of dying. I have tried halving hormone dose and

> immediately feel very bad, hypo, nonfunctional (not able to think or talk)

> so it's a clue that I need all these hormones together. I am not sure

> how

> I did it but I think I saved my own life.

>

Well, it surely sounds like you did! Congratulations!

I am presently consulting a learning specialist to try to get my brain

function into a more optimal range. 30 years of untreated hypothyroidism

seem to have taken their toll on my mind function. Don't get me wrong; my

memory and brain function are TONS better on the T3 than they were. STill,

there are a few things that aren't right yet.

Anyway, this woman looks at all kinds of factors that may be negatively

affecting the brain. She looks at nutrition, digestive enzymes and proper

absorption of food, heavy metal toxicity, allergies, input through the

eyes/ears, hormone balance, etc. I started her recommended digestive enzymes

and aminos formula and I'm actually quite amazed at how much better I'm

feeling! I thought almost nothing could surprise me anymore but this has!

Just having my food digest better and more completely feels good. And I have

less headaches and stomachaches. She also has me on some strange,

super-powered formula for detoxing heavy metals--in my case, aluminum.

Once this routine gets established I understand the next thing to look at is

the hormones balancing act. I think that will help, though I'm not sure how

to go about finding out how to do it all by myself. I'm glad I have help!

I've tried the HFS creams of various kinds and herbs for hormone balance.

Never really got anywhere on my own except usually, to feel worse. I just

don't think that's the same thing as getting tested and supplementing

transdermally with what is the right mix for you.

I'll let you know how things go,

[Guest guest]

,

It was certainly one of the hardest things I have ever been through. I only

needed three hormones and it took 2 years to get them, and I am just so

shocked about lack of knowledge here. First I figured out I needed thyroid,

I just " got " it that all my struggles, infertility, hair falling out, nerves

etc was thyroid related. If I went to Naturopath or HMO I got the same

bull% & #@. TSH test is fine and you don't need thyroid, which started to

make me insane. Naturopath gave me compounded estrogen and progesterone

(for high blood pressure) but in capsules, so it helped but made me sick

too. (Much better absorbed is cream but I didn't know). I found broda

barnes site, called womens international pharmacy--pharmacist told me I must

get 100 mg progesterone 2X a day and MOST women need 2.5 mg tri-est 2X a

day. I experimented with Armour (borrowed) and settled on 2 grains a day.

I went from doc to doc to doc, one fired me. Finally I did a saliva test

which showed low progesterone so I got off capsules and onto cream. When I

got these hormones all together it was absolutely other worldly at times,

bizarre, I felt like Jim Carey in the movie Mask. For many months I

wasn't sure everything was right but I was sort of functioning normally

again, instead of dying. I have tried halving hormone dose and

immediately feel very bad, hypo, nonfunctional (not able to think or talk)

so it's a clue that I need all these hormones together. I am not sure how

I did it but I think I saved my own life.

Gracia

> In a message dated 6/5/2002 7:13:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

circe@...

> writes:

>

>

> > Only when I got compounded estrogen,

> > progesterone, Armour, dhea, all at the right dose, did I start to heal.

> > That's because my adrenal glands had been covering for my lack of

thyroid

> > all my life, and there was nothing left.

>

> Gracia,

>

> So tell me, how did you personally figure out a) what you needed and,

the

> right mix and balance? By guess and by golly? Be testing? Saliva?

> Holistic doc? Nutritionist? And if you're so sick when you first go on

> something how can you tell it's a " good " kind of sick or a " this is

leading

> nowhere " kind of sick?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This woman you are consulting sounds very very good. MD

brilliant holistic doc says " you are what you digest, not what you eat " .

I was also given some herbal stuff and tried HFS creams and they did

nothing. HFS creams are too low dose. Progesterone cream 100 mg 2X a

day is an absolute godsend--I could lower Armour half a grain once I got it.

Such a simple thing and cheap too and I can't find a health care provider

within a 100 miles who knows about it. For hormones I would recommend blood

test from Great Smokies Lab, not saliva.

Gracia

> > For many months I

> > wasn't sure everything was right but I was sort of functioning normally

> > again, instead of dying. I have tried halving hormone dose and

> > immediately feel very bad, hypo, nonfunctional (not able to think or

talk)

> > so it's a clue that I need all these hormones together. I am not sure

> > how

> > I did it but I think I saved my own life.

> >

>

> Well, it surely sounds like you did! Congratulations!

>

> I am presently consulting a learning specialist to try to get my brain

> function into a more optimal range. 30 years of untreated hypothyroidism

> seem to have taken their toll on my mind function. Don't get me wrong; my

> memory and brain function are TONS better on the T3 than they were.

STill,

> there are a few things that aren't right yet.

>

> Anyway, this woman looks at all kinds of factors that may be negatively

> affecting the brain. She looks at nutrition, digestive enzymes and proper

> absorption of food, heavy metal toxicity, allergies, input through the

> eyes/ears, hormone balance, etc. I started her recommended digestive

enzymes

> and aminos formula and I'm actually quite amazed at how much better I'm

> feeling! I thought almost nothing could surprise me anymore but this has!

> Just having my food digest better and more completely feels good. And I

have

> less headaches and stomachaches. She also has me on some strange,

> super-powered formula for detoxing heavy metals--in my case, aluminum.

>

> Once this routine gets established I understand the next thing to look at

is

> the hormones balancing act. I think that will help, though I'm not sure

how

> to go about finding out how to do it all by myself. I'm glad I have help!

> I've tried the HFS creams of various kinds and herbs for hormone balance.

> Never really got anywhere on my own except usually, to feel worse. I just

> don't think that's the same thing as getting tested and supplementing

> transdermally with what is the right mix for you.

>

> I'll let you know how things go,

>

>

>

>

>